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Reply #120 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Talk about projecting.

Sos barely cracked a smile when he kicked a goal... or 10. We are judging him for not guessing at his son kicking a couple in a scratch match?!
Yep....based on his wife's expression and the elbow she gave him, I think pretending its all ok between him and the club
after he was sacked is hiding from the truth. Credit to Jack for performing after what happened with father and brother and I hope he is rewarded with games ahead of less deserving but higher profile players

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Reply #121 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Yep....based on his wife's expression and the elbow she gave him, I think pretending its all ok between him and the club
after he was sacked is hiding from the truth. Credit to Jack for performing after what happened with father and brother and I hope he is rewarded with games ahead of less deserving but higher profile players

When SOS was at the club, did he smile? Do you recall him ever letting his emotions get the better of him??

That is normal for him. Nothing new. As i was saying, when he himself was playing, he barely cracked a smile. Thats the type of guy he is. Business...game face....always something to focus on and improve.

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #122 –
Maybe he just noticed a whopping great tomato sauce stain on those white jeans........................

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #123 –
Quote from: kruddler on
When SOS was at the club, did he smile? Do you recall him ever letting his emotions get the better of him??

That is normal for him. Nothing new. As i was saying, when he himself was playing, he barely cracked a smile. Thats the type of guy he is. Business...game face....always something to focus on and improve.


Agree SOS has the look of a Soviet war monument at the best of times but I felt that look was a bit more intense.
The interview he gave with SEN prior to the draft period explained how he felt and there was nothing positive towards the Carlton football club from SOS. I reckon he would still be hot under the collar and probably not happy seeing Jack in Navy Blue but credit to Jack he seems to have put the footy first and the politics second..

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Reply #124 –
Jack needs to be 100% professional for CFC this year aa well as play well if he is to further his footy career with us or elsewhere. I'm sure he understands that and will be committed to it. SOS needs to support and assist him to do that as a father and not allow his tiff with the club get in the way. Hopefully he will do that and be very dispassionate and professional about it.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #125 –
The Tigers game is 2 weeks away, and with our injuries combined with last night's performance, omitting Jack (if it were to happen) would certainly raise a few eyebrows.
 

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Reply #126 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Firstly, past history does not give an accurate presentation of our current list.
Your little stat shaming exercise would be similar to what Richmond's was before they went nuts and won 3 out of 4 flags. By your logic,  tigers had a crap list because it was crap in the past. Doesn't make sense.

Finally,  all the other negativity aside....our recruiting actually targeted areas of need...
and filled them. When was the last time you could say that?
As for cap space... you have to pay someone. Your list analysis says we lack talent... and you don't want to pay the new recruits... so who are you paying? Gotta pay someone, might as well be new recruits who fill a need,  rather than the hacks who have given us nothing over the past 20 years.... right?

You can't have it both ways.
What you fail to realize is O’ Neal become President in 2013. Four years later the dynasty starts. That’s not a coincidence.
How long has LoGiudence been in the job
Of course Kernahan before that
Pratt Elliott
There lies the problem dude

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Reply #128 –
Quote from: keogh on
What you fail to realize is O’ Neal become President in 2013. Four years later the dynasty starts. That’s not a coincidence.
How long has LoGiudence been in the job
Of course Kernahan before that
Pratt Elliott
There lies the problem dude
So the prez is the problem?

I thought it was the crap list?

I thought it was recruiting?

How long before its the coach??

OK, lets play.
In 2015, we had a bad year, sacked Malthouse and installed Bolton.
In 2016, we went 7 and 15 with a percentage of 79.3%
In 2016, Richmond went 8 and 14 with a percentage of 79.5%.
We played Tigers in R1 (Boltons first game as coach of carlton) and we lost by 9 points.
Swap that result and we finish above the tigers.

People were calling for Hardwicks head. He was nearly sacked.

Tigers kept him, despite being (barely) above what was a wooden spoon club the year before.

Did they have a crap list?
That same list has won 3 of the next 4 grand finals.

It was not the list....despite some saying it was.
Are you part of the 'some' now?
If we win 3 of the next 4.....is it still a crap list?

There will come a time where we stop trying to blame everything that came before us, focus on where we actually are and accept it.

I get it, you are skeptical. You have seen it all before. If it angers you so much, don't watch.
Maybe, just maybe, the tide is turning right before your eyes.

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Reply #129 –
Quote from: kruddler on
So the prez is the problem?

It does start at the top though right?

A good president finds, appoints and supports a good CEO and they both do the same for coaches, recruiters, list managers, etc.
The crapstorm around SOS departure is just the most visible symptom but the root problem at the club has been attracting really genuine gun person as President.

That's my view on it anyway. We're always going to be pushing crap up a hill until we are able to appoint a decent president.

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Reply #130 –
Quote from: jeza on
It does start at the top though right?

A good president finds, appoints and supports a good CEO and they both do the same for coaches, recruiters, list managers, etc.
The crapstorm around SOS departure is just the most visible symptom but the root problem at the club has been attracting really genuine gun person as President.

That's my view on it anyway. We're always going to be pushing crap up a hill until we are able to appoint a decent president.

Sure.
But off-field we are going as best as we've been in the last 2 decades.
On field we are expected to have one of our best years for close to a decade.

So.....do we need to sack the president or not?

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Reply #131 –
Is our President really  "the top" though? I suspect not and that others are really pulling the strings.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #132 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Is our President really  "the top" though? I suspect not and that others are really pulling the strings.
Certainly the case with the SOS sacking. As SOS said, it would have been fine if the reasons for not continuing with him that was discussed between him and the Richmond bloke were made public. Instead, he chose to put out a BS story which has put peoples noses out of joint within the club (as I am a led to believe). Whats done is done now, I don't trust the bloke. As for the prez, what I like about the bloke is that he is seldom seen or heard. If you see him at a function or at the footy, is very approachable and good to talk to.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #133 –
Too many external power brokers with board connections, and long standing board members like Pratt, Mathieson and LoGiudice who come from a mom-and-pop business background, and thus lack the skills required to run a public business. This has been addressed to a small degree with recent appointments, but those three really need to go IMO.

The Judge seems like a nice guy, and i'm sure he's a genuine Carlton man and wants what is best for the club, but I'm not sure he's President material. It's difficult to get the balance right - you don't want an autocrat who doesn't listen to anyone and brooks no interference, but you also don't want a softie who rolls over and is easily swayed. I think he is more of the latter. The board's flip flopping between young buck and old fart with coaches, and the the constant hiring and firing of same, is disturbing IMO. And the Judge has been involved with the last three or four.

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Reply #134 –
Quote from: kruddler on
So the prez is the problem?

I thought it was the crap list?

I thought it was recruiting?

How long before its the coach??

OK, lets play.
In 2015, we had a bad year, sacked Malthouse and installed Bolton.
In 2016, we went 7 and 15 with a percentage of 79.3%
In 2016, Richmond went 8 and 14 with a percentage of 79.5%.
We played Tigers in R1 (Boltons first game as coach of carlton) and we lost by 9 points.
Swap that result and we finish above the tigers.

People were calling for Hardwicks head. He was nearly sacked.

Tigers kept him, despite being (barely) above what was a wooden spoon club the year before.

Did they have a crap list?
That same list has won 3 of the next 4 grand finals.

It was not the list....despite some saying it was.
Are you part of the 'some' now?
If we win 3 of the next 4.....is it still a crap list?

There will come a time where we stop trying to blame everything that came before us, focus on where we actually are and accept it.

I get it, you are skeptical. You have seen it all before. If it angers you so much, don't watch.
Maybe, just maybe, the tide is turning right before your eyes.

In any work place if it isn’t meeting it’s targets the reasons start from the top.
What you fail to recognize is what I said about 9 of Richmond’s premiership 22 not coming from top 50 picks in the AFL draft.
Name me the players SOS recruited from non top 50 picks in his 4 years before he cracked the craps and screwed off
Or conversely name me all the spuds he recruited from other AFL clubs who are gone
It would be a long post
Who gave SOS the job
The board because he was a mate of LoGiudice
Now Austin has cashed all his chips in by giving up some picks to get Williams who is ok Saad who is overrated because he doesn’t play tight enough and Fogarty who has done nothing
Add Martin to the mix who is a super squib the most overrated player in the comp who was on 1 million last year and the McGovern trade which is on the path to being one of the worst trades in the last 30 years particularly if McAdam continues his form.
And all Blues supporters should have an interest in Kreuger at Geelong who we gave up for Setterfield not to mention a pick in the 20s
We still have “ the big banana “ theory proud strong and upfront at the club which all stems from the out of touch LoGiudice Pratt’s Mathiesons and Judd’s of this world.
I left TC temporarily
I will leave this site temporarily
This is the year we make our mark
Right!
We have bought in big
My view is our list has more holes than Swiss cheese and you have to recruit damm well to win flag not recruit overrated players with free agency and stupid trades
If you look at what Richmond have done over the last 6 or so years in their recruiting they have
Picked up so many terrific players like Baker, Broad,Short with late picks or rookie picks from virtually nowhere. Look at their list . There is a heap of them. It’s got nothing to do with what they were like ten years ago, 6 years ago. Martin wouldn’t have one Norm Smith if it wasn’t for guys like Broad etc. I say it every year. The best bottom 6 players on Grand Final day win you the Flag Do your own research.
Marion Pickett was easily the best player in the country outside the AFLand we could have picked him up for nothing yet we chose a spud like Deluca.
I am convinced that success now is largely due to List Management and who are your recruiters not so much the coaches .
SOSs recruiting was crap overall.
With what Austin and Brodie did last year I can assume they think the list is up to it and we just need that added pace .
What SOS did at the end of 2018 which was our worst year on record was inexcusable in getting McGovern and Setterfield for 3 picks in the 20s and giving up McAdam who looks good and Kreuger who with Taylor gone and a good run with injuries might be ok too.
It’s narrow minded recruiting
But let’s see how 2021 pans out
Either way I’ll be back to eat humble pie on both sites or you and a few others can tell skeptics like me why we have been so average for so long.