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Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #135 –
@keogh
Too much to go through there, so I'll stick to this.
Your issue is sos hasn't got enough 50+ picks on our list doing well??

There are a few reasons for that...
1. He hasn't had many 50+ picks at draft day because he is always trading up for bigger picks.
2. He trades away decent blokes, and gets great picks back, sometimes throwing in those late picks to get stuff done.
3. Fwiw....
Jack Martin came via psd.....a 50+ pick
Tom Williamson was pick 61
Jack Silvagni was 54?
There have only been a handful of others or rookie picks outside of that.

Would you prefer that we kept Bryce Gibbs?
Or would you prefer the 2 first round picks we got back?
Would you prefer Zachary tuohy? Or the first round pick we got back?
Would you prefer Lachie Henderson? Or the first round pick at got back?

We maximised our draft hand with very little trade value initially. Looking at how many high draft picks we have on our list now (either drafting ourselves or via trade) and compare that to pre sos days.

Any way you slice it, our list is better.
Is it good enough?  Well see. Hopefully we can get some talent out of the medical room!

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #137 –
I was actually more impressed with the kids in the twos than many running around in the ones.

I know it's a different standard but the likes of Carroll,  Stocker Gibbons and Owies showed a lot more future upside than SPS, Cunningham and LOB,  who just showed more of what we've seen before IMHO.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #138 –
Quote from: capcom on
News to me

Goes back to what i was saying before.

He takes a somewhat valid hypothesis and adds so much Mayo to it that it can't help but be wrong.

Fyi keogh, Williams was a free agent that cost zero picks.

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #139 –
... And bagging Fogarty?  He's had what, five minutes at the club?

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #140 –
But the likes of LOB and Cunningham cost real picks,  done F all.   MacG,  cost heaps picks and $$$ wise.   March bank another.
 Keogh has a point people.   SoS didn't get every pick right, but who does?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #141 –
Quote from: capcom on
... And bagging Fogarty?  He's had what, five minutes at the club?
Lead the match in takes made with 8 did fogarty.
If he puts in like that every week is a win

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #142 –
Quote from: Professer E on
But the likes of LOB and Cunningham cost real picks,  done F all.   MacG,  cost heaps picks and $$$ wise.   March bank another.
 Keogh has a point people.   SoS didn't get every pick right, but who does?
Dollars are irrelevant, someone will always get them. Throwing 1.8mil at coniglio didn't get him, we have them, they need to be used.

Nobody gets every pick right,  that goes without saying. But we've had more first rounders than any other team during the sos period and that is through shrewd trading. Trading of players that were no good or picks that were no good..... or at least upgraded their value in both instances.

Re McGovern....have a look at what picks we started with and what picks we ended up with after the McGovern trade and he didn't cost as much as you think once you work out what we started with

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #143 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Goes back to what i was saying before.

He takes a somewhat valid hypothesis and adds so much Mayo to it that it can't help but be wrong.

Fyi keogh, Williams was a free agent that cost zero picks.
And 850000 a season for 5
He ain’t worth that
Combined with Mc Govern, Martin Saad  Setterfield money and draft picks
Collectively
On the Mc Govern trade it was very detailed and confusing Basically we gave pick 13 to Sydney in exchange for pick 26 and 28
Sydney also gave Adelaide pick 40
We traded away pick 26 and 28 plus Shane McAdam who we had as compensation for finishing last.
On top of all this we received a future third round pick and gave the Crows a future fifth round pick.
We did not use that future third round pick in the 2019 draft. Somehow it got used in a deal for GWS to secure Jake Riccardi who like MCAdam looks the goods.
No screwing Mayo there😂
Anyway my last post till we finish the season
I agreed with one poster
Guys like Owies, Honey, Gibbons Cottrell etc impress me more than some others who got games in the senior game
And it all comes back the board
Let’s see how the season pans out
Anyway c u all in about 6 months

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #144 –
Quote from: Professer E on
But the likes of LOB and Cunningham cost real picks,  done F all.   MacG,  cost heaps picks and $$$ wise.   March bank another.
 Keogh has a point people.   SoS didn't get every pick right, but who does?

He did IMO make some good points, no doubt, but equally you should get your facts right.

Count our blessings we didn't get Shiel, Coniglio and Papley.

 

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #145 –
Quote from: keogh on
Guys like Owies, Honey, Gibbons Cottrell etc impress me more than some others who got games in the senior game
And it all comes back the board
There is no real world day to day and week to week connection between Board and MC, I afraid that to assert that is a confusion of the influence of the Executive over the MC with the influence of the Board.

The primary role of the Board relates to governance and long term planning, not the day to day or week to week decisions.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #146 –
Quote from: capcom on
... And bagging Fogarty?  He's had what, five minutes at the club?

I agree. Neither Fogarty nor Williams nor Saad have played a single proper AFL game for us. Let's see what they have to offer first.

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #148 –
Quote from: capcom on
... And bagging Fogarty?  He's had what, five minutes at the club?
 Yes, it's really fear of change, no matter what the club does it will be wrong and has probably been like that since the 70s!
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: Community Cup Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #149 –
Quote from: kruddler on
@keogh
Too much to go through there, so I'll stick to this.
Your issue is sos hasn't got enough 50+ picks on our list doing well??

There are a few reasons for that...
1. He hasn't had many 50+ picks at draft day because he is always trading up for bigger picks.
2. He trades away decent blokes, and gets great picks back, sometimes throwing in those late picks to get stuff done.
3. Fwiw....
Jack Martin came via psd.....a 50+ pick
Tom Williamson was pick 61
Jack Silvagni was 54?
There have only been a handful of others or rookie picks outside of that.

Would you prefer that we kept Bryce Gibbs?
Or would you prefer the 2 first round picks we got back?
Would you prefer Zachary tuohy? Or the first round pick we got back?
Would you prefer Lachie Henderson? Or the first round pick at got back?

We maximised our draft hand with very little trade value initially. Looking at how many high draft picks we have on our list now (either drafting ourselves or via trade) and compare that to pre sos days.

Any way you slice it, our list is better.
Is it good enough?  Well see. Hopefully we can get some talent out of the medical room!

Keogh cops crap all the time on the other site too with his crap going all the way back to the days where he said Ratten was no good. How is that turning out  for him. We could win 6 flags and the place would still be no good in his eyes. There's an ignore button on the other site thankfully.