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Title: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 20, 2021, 07:44:39 pm
We can only control what we can control and as a result, we need to be fully focused on getting a win. Without it, finals are not going to happen. Even with it, depending on other results, finals might not happen.

Changes...
I predict...
In: Wilson
Out: Hammans
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: crashlander on March 22, 2021, 06:53:43 pm
We have to win big, North has to lose. Not highly likely, but not impossible.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2021, 07:47:08 pm
We have to win big, North has to lose. Not highly likely, but not impossible.
I did the maths on it. 4 goals each way will do it....even a touch less.

So that'll mean basically a point differential of 48 points.
If we win by 47 and they lose by 1, we go above them.
If we win by 1 and they lose by 47, we go above them.
If we win by 24 and they lose by 24, we go above them.

Basically, lets just smash GWS by 8 goals and pray freo wins.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: shawny on March 22, 2021, 09:02:02 pm
Isn’t the freo game before our game?
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2021, 09:10:52 pm
Isn’t the freo game before our game?
Yeah it is.

My intention was to point out we should just focus on what we can control. Do what we need to do and let the rest take care of itself.

But yes, as you point out, the other game is first, so we will know exactly what we need to win by on match day.........assuming NM do lose.

Apparantly Kiara Bowers is up for a week suspension. She is the favourite for the AFLW MVP award this year, so that will hurt.
Although North have a mid up for a week suspension as well, which although is not up to the same standard as Bowers (not many are) it will go somewhat to evening the ledger.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2021, 05:10:36 pm
Our season is over. North won by a point against Freo.

:(
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: shawny on March 27, 2021, 05:13:17 pm
Was one of the flag favourites pre season. Very disappointing season to not even make the finals.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2021, 05:15:19 pm
Was one of the flag favourites pre season. Very disappointing season to not even make the finals.
In the end we may have been unlucky, but losing 3 games by less than a goal says it all.
Lots of thinking to do in the off-season.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 27, 2021, 06:44:46 pm
In the end we may have been unlucky, but losing 3 games by less than a goal says it all.
Lots of thinking to do in the off-season.
Agree.

The season is so short that if you are off for a couple of weeks, your season is over.

If the season went for a couple more weeks, we'd be in finals. Once we are in, then anything is possible.

What i'd like to see is the girls go out and absolutely smash GWS. They have nothing to prove, its a dead rubber, but they should be able to prove it to themselves that they could've made finals if only the bounce of the ball went a different way in any one of 3 or 4 games.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: shawny on March 27, 2021, 07:00:54 pm
Agree.

The season is so short that if you are off for a couple of weeks, your season is over.

If the season went for a couple more weeks, we'd be in finals. Once we are in, then anything is possible.

What i'd like to see is the girls go out and absolutely smash GWS. They have nothing to prove, its a dead rubber, but they should be able to prove it to themselves that they could've made finals if only the bounce of the ball went a different way in any one of 3 or 4 games.

I understand your point but like the men’s teams I’m tired of constantly viewing losing seasons in ways that make it seem like it’s not too bad once you comfier all the what if’s

The reality is we failed with a list which is stronger then many of the teams in the 6 and our poor start meant we always were going to be up against it.
Disappointed and I’m not willing to cut any slack
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: crashlander on March 27, 2021, 08:07:19 pm
I understand your point but like the men’s teams I’m tired of constantly viewing losing seasons in ways that make it seem like it’s not too bad once you comfier all the what if’s

The reality is we failed with a list which is stronger then many of the teams in the 6 and our poor start meant we always were going to be up against it.
Disappointed and I’m not willing to cut any slack
Fair enough. But I am more worried about why some of our good players in 2020 were so less effective in 2021.
The other thing we need to look at is our game plan. We need to learn from what didn't work this year, so it doesn't happen in 2022. I want to see us being No.1 in 2022!
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 04:49:05 am
I understand your point but like the men’s teams I’m tired of constantly viewing losing seasons in ways that make it seem like it’s not too bad once you comfier all the what if’s

The reality is we failed with a list which is stronger then many of the teams in the 6 and our poor start meant we always were going to be up against it.
Disappointed and I’m not willing to cut any slack
Don't forget we were 1 of 4 teams still alive when the season was cancelled last year. So we didn't really have a losing season last year.

This year it does hurt, a few too many injuries earlier in the year and missing Chloe Dalton for an olympics that never happened is an extra spanner in the works that was simply bad luck beyond our control.

I think we have an exciting group of young girls on our list to compliment are 'veterans'. I don't predict many retirements with the possible exceptions of Loynes and Downie, and we have been rather good at attracting more talent than we've been losing. So all hope is not lost yet.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 05:26:56 am
Changes...
I predict...
In: Wilson
Out: Hammans

Nailed it.

B: V.Laloifi 8 D.Walker 23 
HB: G.Pound 6 A.Downie 30 K.Harrington - C 9
C: L.Brazzale 12 K.Loynes 2 E.O'Dea 46
HF: G.Gee 19 T.Harris 7 D.Vescio 3
F: J.Hosking 11 N.Stevens 21
Foll: B.Moody 16 M.Prespakis 4 L.McEvoy 13
I/C: C.Wilson 20 A.McKay 5 G.Egan 1 N.Plane 32 
Emerg: J.Edwards 25 C.Hammans 17 

In: C.Wilson
Out: C.Hammans (omitted)
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: Thryleon on March 28, 2021, 06:22:17 am
I understand your point but like the men’s teams I’m tired of constantly viewing losing seasons in ways that make it seem like it’s not too bad once you comfier all the what if’s

The reality is we failed with a list which is stronger then many of the teams in the 6 and our poor start meant we always were going to be up against it.
Disappointed and I’m not willing to cut any slack

What does this mindset achieve though aside from cementing that we are failures?

I.e.  focusing on the positive is what can be the mindset to prevent future failure.   We do need to acknowledge what went wrong, but more surrounding how to learn from it moving forward.

Its the way of the world and its the way the world is continuing to head to be able to recognise what went wrong, without beating yourself up over it.

I too have been guilty of that in the past but it really isn't healthy or helpful. 
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2021, 10:26:03 am
Was one of the flag favourites pre season. Very disappointing season to not even make the finals.
So mission accomplished with the ladies, the men have started in a blaze of glory at 0-2 and should follow suit.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: shawny on March 28, 2021, 11:50:07 am
What does this mindset achieve though aside from cementing that we are failures?

I.e.  focusing on the positive is what can be the mindset to prevent future failure.   We do need to acknowledge what went wrong, but more surrounding how to learn from it moving forward.

Its the way of the world and its the way the world is continuing to head to be able to recognise what went wrong, without beating yourself up over it.

I too have been guilty of that in the past but it really isn't healthy or helpful. 
I was stating a fact and in this case it’s that womens season was a disappointing one.
I’m fine if you want to be more positive about it if that makes you feel better about things.
But I prefer to call it as I see it.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 03:34:22 pm
I was stating a fact and in this case it’s that womens season was a disappointing one.
I’m fine if you want to be more positive about it if that makes you feel better about things.
But I prefer to call it as I see it.

I think the devil is in the deatail.

The season didn't go as expected, which is disappointing......BUT we will have the same group going forward and will learn from the disappointing season, specifically start of the season and it will make us more hungry from here.

Perhaps since we one of 4 teams left last year when the season was cancelled, and we started as favourites (or one of) we may have expected it to just happen. Now we know thats not the case and we will do our best to ensure it doesn't happen again.

At the end of the day, we are still in the top half of the competition, so all hope is not lost.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 04:08:37 pm
As best i can tell, Darcy Vescio is going to win the female version of the Coleman medal. She has 14 goals. There are 3 others who have 14 goals (Brennan, Hougton, Molloy) and they have all played this round.

Everyone else nearby has also played this round.

Her next closest rival is Cora Staunton (GWS) who has 8 majors.
...although Nic Stevens actually has 9, but less likely to overtake Vescio.

So currently, she has won the award....albeit sharing it. If she kicks 1 (or more) she doesn't need to share.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 04:10:07 pm
Further to the above, she has the record for most in a year (14) which she has equalled her own efforts in year 1 (2017) when she won the same award. So whatever she kicks, she will have the most goals in a year as well.

Congrats Darcy.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 04:25:00 pm
First goal Vescio. Outright winner of the goal kicking award, and record of most goals in a season (15)



....and counting?
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: PaulP on March 28, 2021, 05:51:55 pm
Wow. Darcy Vescio take a bow. Doing a SOS and playing top footy at both ends.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 05:53:48 pm
Katie Loynes and Kerryn Harrington hugging eachother with tears in their eyes.

They have a long standing relationship going back to pre-AFLW and to me that was an embrace that tells me it will be the last time they play a game together. That is, Katie Loynes will be retiring IMO.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 05:56:17 pm
Further to the above. Every player went to Al Downie immediately after singing the song, who was also in tears.

Both Loynes and Downie are 35 and i think its the right time to retire for both.

Fun Fact.....Every game of footy Brazzalle has ever played, Al Downie has been in the team. This extends to before AFLW started.


EDIT: ....and then they both get chaired off to make it official.
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: crashlander on March 28, 2021, 06:03:12 pm
It is nice to have the girls win, but the percentage wouldn't have got us into a final even if North had lost.
So be it.
It has been a very special game, as it has been the last for co-Captain Katie Loynes and ruck-defender Ali Downie. Both are still important players for us, especially in the leadership department, but their bodies have been letting them down of late.
Congratulations to both girls for a special career, from the start of the AFLW to now.

Congratulations to Darcy Vescio, who has proved again that she has what it takes. Just wonder what she would be like if we could hit a forward target!
Title: Re: AFLW R9 - Carlton vs GWS @Blacktown - SUN 4:10
Post by: kruddler on March 28, 2021, 07:03:52 pm
Just wonder what she would be like if we could hit a forward target!

Enter the new breed.

Mimi Hill and Abbie McKay are clones of Katie Loynes, but more polished.

The new draftees coming in will continue to take over from some more of the originals. They have been able to play all the way through their career were the originals have had to take a break, thus skill level lacks by comparison.

A few more players that would be next in line to be 'replaced' by the new breed will be Jess Edwards (IMO should not get a contract for 2022 - can't kick) From then a player like Brazzale will be in the gun.
Both of these players have heart, but are missing a few strings to their bows and will be overtaken by the draftees.