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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #630 – June 16, 2020, 01:41:31 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on June 16, 2020, 12:12:57 pm

James Gargasoulas is the outcome when police dont take action.

His life doesn't matter, death by knee would be appropriate for him.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #631 – June 16, 2020, 04:51:19 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on June 16, 2020, 12:12:57 pm

Again, I think you ignored too much of what I have written, and focussed on one part.

I didnt condone kneeling on him.

Excessive force is also not condoned.

The question is why was it used? Was it because he was being complicit with Police and they decided to take action?

Or was it because he was resisting arrest?

Dont sit there and fit the narrative to your own viewpoint. Look at what happened. There is more than one way to avoid this outcome, and it isn't solely by telling police not to kneel on a bloke for 8 mins, and not use excessive force and be nice to a suspected perpetrator.

James Gargasoulas is the outcome when police dont take action.

Agree, Floyd was a violent criminal, not an alleged criminal, doesnt mean you can kneel on his neck with excessive force and kill him either
but Police have to use controlled force at times to protect themselves and restrain offenders. This policeman went overboard with force and like I said previously deserves the full wrath of the law but the next policeman and the one after him etc etc are entitled to used controlled force where necessary IMO to do their job and restrain violent aggressive individuals whether they be white, black, yellow or any other colour.
That policeman is a bad apple who needs to be culled from the force and jailed but without the good coppers you wont have much of a society.....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #632 – June 16, 2020, 05:33:16 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on June 16, 2020, 04:51:19 pm

Agree, Floyd was a violent criminal, not an alleged criminal, doesnt mean you can kneel on his neck with excessive force and kill him either
but Police have to use controlled force at times to protect themselves and restrain offenders. This policeman went overboard with force and like I said previously deserves the full wrath of the law but the next policeman and the one after him etc etc are entitled to used controlled force where necessary IMO to do their job and restrain violent aggressive individuals whether they be white, black, yellow or any other colour.
That policeman is a bad apple who needs to be culled from the force and jailed but without the good coppers you wont have much of a society.....

I'm hearing that there is widespread disillusionment in a number of police forces in the US with a wave of resignations. Not sure where that may lead but there must be plenty of good coppers who are confused by the mixed messages seemingly coming from their political bosses?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #633 – June 16, 2020, 09:14:46 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on June 16, 2020, 05:33:16 pm

I'm hearing that there is widespread disillusionment in a number of police forces in the US with a wave of resignations. Not sure where that may lead but there must be plenty of good coppers who are confused by the mixed messages seemingly coming from their political bosses?

I think it's called anarchy!

If you state that to many middle Americans they probably think you're going to have SAMCRO in charge!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #634 – June 17, 2020, 09:55:53 am

Quote from: cookie2 on June 16, 2020, 05:33:16 pm

I'm hearing that there is widespread disillusionment in a number of police forces in the US with a wave of resignations. Not sure where that may lead but there must be plenty of good coppers who are confused by the mixed messages seemingly coming from their political bosses?

I wouldnt want to be a police officer right now.

Irrespective of whether or not I thought I was good or bad, these guys put their lives on the line every time they wear the badge and go out in public. Cop killings occur regularly in the states.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/05/08/the-number-of-u-s-police-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty-increased-last-year-infographic/#7085d1511894

Once again, when it comes to Police and matters with respect to Floyd, we over simplify when we see a police officer using excessive force. Its not about condoning it either, but understanding why it can and will occur. PTSD is a real thing and I for one am surprised that more is not being discussed.

I wonder what the footage of the cameras in the cop cars and on the police officers looks like and not just the publically viewed footage.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #635 – June 17, 2020, 10:45:56 am

My BIL is a LT CDR with the San Diego police force and very much treats cops from other jurisdictions / states on the merits of their actions, not the automatic defence of a "brother in arms". Fascinating guy to talk to.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #636 – June 18, 2020, 03:45:57 pm

If they think they can put me in a about the same amount of space as my old blue heelers kennel, charge me a premium price, then offer me feck all food or drink for 9 to 14 hrs while on the way to the US or UK, they have another thing coming!

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Now, several worldwide airlines are taking things a step further by axing the availability of alcoholic beverages aboard their flights. Many carriers have already narrowed their drink options to water (usually individual bottles) and are supplying sealed, prepackaged snacks or meals in place of conducting their regular meal service.

Feck that, I'm outta here, they can stick flying up the high altitude ar5e!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #637 – June 18, 2020, 05:13:31 pm

Quote from: LP on June 18, 2020, 03:45:57 pm

If they think they can put me in a about the same amount of space as my old blue heelers kennel, charge me a premium price, then offer me feck all food or drink for 9 to 14 hrs while on the way to the US or UK, they have another thing coming!

Feck that, I'm outta here, they can stick flying up the high altitude ar5e!

Believe me, they'll do it LP. Reduced load factors demands catering company supply cutbacks and a lot more than that until the industry recovers. Full economy seat layouts as the primer. Luggage (cabin / hold) limits reduced ... anything to slash standing charges be they lease, insurance or otherwise.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #638 – June 19, 2020, 11:28:33 am

Quote from: capcom on June 18, 2020, 05:13:31 pm

Believe me, they'll do it LP. Reduced load factors demands catering company supply cutbacks and a lot more than that until the industry recovers. Full economy seat layouts as the primer. Luggage (cabin / hold) limits reduced ... anything to slash standing charges be they lease, insurance or otherwise.

Well, then I think they are cooked Capcom.

The younguns are already avoiding flying like the plague, they thought plane emissions were a blight on the planet even before it officially became a plague, and most do everything via a video. Us oldies, the guys who forked out for Business on international flights, are not going to put ourselves through hell just to keep the airlines in business.

So I suppose stick a fork in them, they are done except for holiday makers!

Thinking otherwise is stupidity, it's like the Cruise lines thinking they can alleviate concerns with a few wet wipes!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #639 – June 19, 2020, 12:52:44 pm

As long as Branson loses his investment, I'm good with it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #640 – June 19, 2020, 01:26:28 pm

Quote from: capcom on June 19, 2020, 12:52:44 pm

As long as Branson loses his investment, I'm good with it.

I realise the motivation for that comment, and I can understand it, but I'm not sure it makes sense to wish for an outcome that hurts us all.

Behind the scenes the politicians are very very grim faced at the moment, regardless of what front they apply for the cameras. They are basically trying to talk up the economy, but doing so while knowing the worst is yet to come. The problem seems to be that economics is more based on black magic, one lie to rule them all, far more smoke and mirrors than sound theory.

Sun Tzu in the Art of War states that you should burn your own farm to hurt your opponent, but I'm not sure that really ever makes sense. I fear that is what China is up to right now, smash the global markets to become the last standing!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #641 – June 19, 2020, 02:22:11 pm

Black lives do matter and so do white lives, this video shows how out of control things have become. We all agree their is no place for racism but it doesnt mean open season on white folk either.
The Police didnt charge the offenders and I reckon you can join the dots why...do we really want Australia being like the USA?

https://www.tr.news/violent-attack-melbourne/?fbclid=IwAR1bjVJFes0Y0JFNllUgOH-C2fTNwlHIYME2OQZnUGOjW_pSoqU75doJPMc

PS...Been told since the girl concerned is alleged to be no saint either, but this attack had nothing to do with any previous activities
and was unprovoked.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #642 – June 19, 2020, 05:06:12 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on June 19, 2020, 02:22:11 pm

Black lives do matter and so do white lives, this video shows how out of control things have become. We all agree their is no place for racism but it doesnt mean open season on white folk either.
The Police didnt charge the offenders and I reckon you can join the dots why...do we really want Australia being like the USA?

https://www.tr.news/violent-attack-melbourne/?fbclid=IwAR1bjVJFes0Y0JFNllUgOH-C2fTNwlHIYME2OQZnUGOjW_pSoqU75doJPMc

Its a sad state of affairs.

Remember what the dream was?

To judge a person not by the colour of their skin but by the depth of their character?

No one would dare stand up to these thugs. Odds are it would be video'd and then we would hear about white on black crime again with this first bit edited out.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #643 – June 19, 2020, 05:49:28 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on June 19, 2020, 02:22:11 pm

Black lives do matter and so do white lives, this video shows how out of control things have become. We all agree their is no place for racism but it doesnt mean open season on white folk either.
The Police didnt charge the offenders and I reckon you can join the dots why...do we really want Australia being like the USA?

https://www.tr.news/violent-attack-melbourne/?fbclid=IwAR1bjVJFes0Y0JFNllUgOH-C2fTNwlHIYME2OQZnUGOjW_pSoqU75doJPMc

I would hospitalise every last one of them. And not for minor cuts and abrasions either.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #644 – June 19, 2020, 06:29:45 pm

Quote from: capcom on June 19, 2020, 05:49:28 pm

I would hospitalise every last one of them. And not for minor cuts and abrasions either.

You cant say that, all the do-gooders and PC Brigade will get up set. The kids need to be hugged rehabilitated into becoming good law abiding citizens. Me personally? I'm for your kind of justice, plus GST. And as for the dogs who just stood around and watched and didnt intervene or help? They need the same treatment with interest.