Carlton Supporters Club

AFL/clubs booking hotels and air bnbs for them. Its because the knuckle heads in NSW, QLD and WA wont let them in to play footy (ie work)

Dude, seriously. I know blacks are a minority, and please focus on the original discussion. The majority of hate crimes are perpetrated by whites. This is fact.

Agree.

If someone asked me for as many examples I could think of, of groups that have or do perpetrate hate crimes I would think, immediately, of the KKK, Nazis and white supremacists. Then I would think of fundamentalist ********** (insert any organised religion or fundamentalist political ideology).

Too often hatred from whites against folks of colour is based on, 'we're the rulers of this world and we will do anything to remind you of 'that/your place' in the world.

Personally, I also see hatred as a result of fear, ignorance, upbringing and poor or perverted education which only feeds our deeper unconscious 'shadow' as noted by the deepest of thinkers in our history - Jung, Nietszche, Kaufman, Perls and others. But that's a massive -- and very confronting conversation -- for another time. (In other words, racism, xenophobia, Metathesiophobia and so on are symptoms of something far deeper within us all... oooo, oooo.... cue spooky music).

The greatest evil exists within each of us. If you've read books like Ordinary Men, or listened to war correspondents like Chris Hedges, you will see time and time again that the line between victim and victimiser is razor thin, and most people can become the latter with very little prodding.

I don't believe that people of colour, indigenous people etc., are less racist than whites, and when I say that, I mean they have the potential to be just as bad. The real problem as I see it is power, and when one race has dominance, they will tend to subjugate minorities for their own benefit. As I've said elsewhere, racism is not just about calling someone a name - it can operate in extremely subtle ways. Power ties in with other aspects which are well beyond what can be discussed here.

None of that should in any way be used to deny historical fact. Far too many genocides, oppression etc. has been perpetrated by white Europeans against minorities and people of colour.

Im scared to even say much on the topic these days as the opinions are all a one way street. However, from the Herald Sun today about Winmar suing Newman, Scott and Sheehan over comments they made on their podcast about his famous jumper lifting all those years ago. Quoted from HS:

An outraged Winmar told the Herald Sun the trio had painted him as a liar and that he was taking a stand.
“I know what I said. I am not a liar. These white fellas are tarnishing my legacy.”

Really? Just imagine the outrage if one the three called him a black fella. I'll probably be labelled a racist for bringing this up. As for tarnishing his reputation, Nicky does a fair job of it himself beating up taxi drivers for asking him to prepay a fare. Probably shouldnt bring that up either.

Agree.

If someone asked me for as many examples I could think of, of groups that have or do perpetrate hate crimes I would think, immediately, of the KKK, Nazis and white supremacists. Then I would think of fundamentalist ********** (insert any organised religion or fundamentalist political ideology).

Too often hatred from whites against folks of colour is based on, 'we're the rulers of this world and we will do anything to remind you of 'that/your place' in the world.

Personally, I also see hatred as a result of fear, ignorance, upbringing and poor or perverted education which only feeds our deeper unconscious 'shadow' as noted by the deepest of thinkers in our history - Jung, Nietszche, Kaufman, Perls and others. But that's a massive -- and very confronting conversation -- for another time. (In other words, racism, xenophobia, Metathesiophobia and so on are symptoms of something far deeper within us all... oooo, oooo.... cue spooky music).

Sorry, but I really don't have any interest in whites crying foul over individual indiscretions, when there are centuries of entrenched, systemic racism and oppression by whites that need to be resolved first. 

Have to disagree with that comment, Pauly.

Injustice perpetrated upon anyone, yellow, brown, red, white, purple... doesn't matter, it's always equally unfair and wrong. To have no interest in whites complaining about an injustice because they're white and they've a history of mistreatment is not reason to treat their hurt with any less compassion than anyone else. Actually sounds like just another form of prejudice to do so. We cannot tar the entire white race with the same brush based on the sins of the past. Important to remember that many great and heroic white peoples have fought for and alongside folks of colour, as there have been many great and heroic folks of colour and who've fought with white folks against a tyranny of injustice.

Not a good idea to be angry with all whites because of groups and individual whites who've perpetrated appalling acts upon coloured/indigenous folks. All races have done both horrible and wonderful things. And all humans -- black, white, chartreuse -- have an issue with power, just look at our history. It's because there's so many of us whities that our misdeeds gain more attention. Plenty of minorities have perpetrated abominations upon each other and whitey.

Attempting to demonise all whites because of the horrors perpetrated by some today and many in years gone by (just another prejudice) serves no useful purpose other than to create more disharmony, blame, retribution and so on. Far better to learn from the mistakes of now and the past and work together to overcome these prejudices for the benefit of all... and in many respects, many of us are now doing just that as have some very impressive folks (of all colours) in our recent and deep past.

Yes, many white folks have misused power to a disgusting and inhuman extent... but for as many of these as you'll easily find many white folks doing the right thing fighting for and with indigenous folks and folks of colour. Abraham Lincoln and his best mate, Frederick Douglass (an African American cat) together drafted anti-slavery legislation and against a racist nation had the legislation passed.

And yes, today, still, work needs be done re racism (and how to handle power) - but progress is being made, just not quick enough. It's more about acknowledging the reality of human imperfection and dealing with it through deep and widespread education, not blaming and shaming.

This is simply confirmation bias. People have an answer in their mind, and they go into the world looking and as soon as they find the answer that they've already concluded upon, they stop looking.