Carlton Supporters Club

I tend to blame ScoMo more than Andrews, he pushed for a reopening due to the economic effects and Andrews was forced to comply after being the Jacinda Ardern of Australia and enforcing the tightest lockdown of all states.
Speaking of Ardern she nailed it with stage 4 from late March and NZ have had 17 days with no cases, its the only proven way with no vaccine and both Victoria and NSW need to adopt same for a couple of months at least.
We cant be opening, locking down, opening, locking down and repeating the cycle, we need to go hard now and the economy is going to have to get worse and yes we will pay for it later but thats the scenario IMO.

I tend to blame ScoMo more than Andrews, he pushed for a reopening due to the economic effects and Andrews was forced to comply after being the Jacinda Ardern of Australia and enforcing the tightest lockdown of all states.
Speaking of Ardern she nailed it with stage 4 from late March and NZ have had 17 days with no cases, its the only proven way with no vaccine and both Victoria and NSW need to adopt same for a couple of months at least.
We cant be opening, locking down, opening, locking down and repeating the cycle, we need to go hard now and the economy is going to have to get worse and yes we will pay for it later but thats the scenario IMO.

Might economies that decouple from GDP as a measure of economic health actually have a chance of profiting from this situation? The reason seems to be that an economy built on thrift and efficiency as a lever, rather than consumption, might see a performance improvement in the current circumstance.

But some think that ideology is anathema to capitalism, philosophically capitalism requires continuous growth. I'm not sure both can't exist if people are willing to change, the problem is a people problem built around different priorities for cost, value, efficiency and utility!

Can't agree EB. Dan had absolute discretion, his call.

NEVER reward bad behaviour Baggers.  Fines should be tripled and damn well enforced and NO exceptions.

Because it's a State matter, just like the bushfires.

And just like the US.

I tend to blame ScoMo more than Andrews, he pushed for a reopening due to the economic effects and Andrews was forced to comply after being the Jacinda Ardern of Australia and enforcing the tightest lockdown of all states.
Speaking of Ardern she nailed it with stage 4 from late March and NZ have had 17 days with no cases, its the only proven way with no vaccine and both Victoria and NSW need to adopt same for a couple of months at least.
We cant be opening, locking down, opening, locking down and repeating the cycle, we need to go hard now and the economy is going to have to get worse and yes we will pay for it later but thats the scenario IMO.

Perhaps the yo yo lock downs is the best way forward.

You cannot lock it out forever but we wont find out until a little way down the track.

(on a side note, no vaccine will be adequately produced and trialled for years).

The US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) is a Federal body!

In Australia outbreaks like SARS-CoV-2 has been covered by the National Health Security Act since 2007.

The Australian response is set out in Emergency Response Plan for Communicable Disease Incidents of National Significance which states, which states that,

"The Minister for Health is the lead Minister for a domestic public health incident that requires a whole-of-government response."

https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-cdplan.htm

I reckon there are 110 families who would not agree with "we are all healthy enough"

And?

The States have primary responsibility for Health and Education - and bushfires ie land management. Etc etc.

Of course the Commonwealth has an overriding national pandemic function. And no doubt if Dan screws up again, the Feds would likely step in. As they should.

You're stating the obvious....again.

Because it's a State matter, just like the bushfires.

I reckon there are 110 families who would not agree with "we are all healthy enough"

Only anecdotes but here on the Island only about 2 weeks ago we had some holidaymakers flouting quarantine guidelines by having secret backyard parties and so on. Every day Aussies. We had a bunch a few doors down and we just couldn't believe it and before you ask... all Aussies, no English is their 2nd or 3rd language stuff going on. The one thing I did notice, it was younger people having the clandestine parties... almost showing off. And only today I spoke with a friend from Prahran who said she couldn't believe the number of people, again younger ones, going about their business in the shopping precincts as if nothing is wrong... not a mask in sight! So what do you do about these people who know better but just don't seem to give a cr@p? You can't hang a Premier or a Prime Minister for not being able to control these clowns, they can only get advice from those who know (medical and police) and implement it, the rest is up to civic compliance.