Carlton Supporters Club

The other states got it right, just saying.

On Nz, had a friend contact me the other day.  Life is not back to normal and rainbows and sunshine over there.  He said the economy is tanking, the media is just being as relentless as ours about the misery of it all.

This is where our media and scumo etc have stuffed up, it's great if your little patch is corona-free but life won't get back to normal until EVERY area is under control - the Melbourne bashing going on is shooting yourself in the foot, we need everyone to stick together to help everyone come out of this as well as possible.  You think reporting on how the Crossroads cluster originated from a Melbourne man is helpful?  Where did he get it from, someone that was a contact of someone on the Ruby Princess?  It's unhelpful and detrimental to what we should all be striving for, helping one another.

If Scomo is turning an about face, prepare to see escalation of cases outside of Victoria, and a few things to keep in mind.

1.  Any state saying "they did better than Victoria" needs to be sure they actually did.  The only thing that the other states have on Victoria is dumb luck.  For any New South Welshman who wants to throw stones, the words Ruby Princess are all we need to remind them of.

2.  The security guards and quarantine guests are one symptom of a wider issue.  The Australian public do not in general take this threat seriously.  These return traveller's were put up in 5 star hotels courtesy of the tax payer.  Why are the Hotels not wearing any heat surrounding THEIR obligation in this, and isn't the security hired by them at our cost?  Shouldn't we be placing our ire at big business who more than likely outsourced their costs to security companies, did so with the usual efficiency of spending as little as possible to tick the check box and then have not adhered to any protocols laid out to them with respect to quarantine, cleaning, masks, etc?  Crown Resorts, Rydges, etc.  Yeah the government failed them...  Lets remember these people are not prisoners, they are complicit in the crime.  They were given a lifeline where tourism is ceased, and travel is suspended and they have squandered their opportunity.  From memory 90% of international travel to Aus, was being filtered through Victoria to minimise the risk, and this probably has a bit more to do with the blowback Dan is facing now.  Keep in mind that Sydney had its Ruby Princess debacle when wondering why this might be the case.

3.  There was a massive blow up regarding the conditions the guests were being kept in with respect to them being inhumane, overly strict, and you get the idea.  The media has had a bet each way, and is simply cashing in at the moment.

4.  The talk of bringing in the defense force to police the hotels is a recent discussion.  If the ills stretch back that far, then they were had from the perspective of DOD getting a piece of Corona finances.  Hence the recent focus on Australia's security from China.  Trying to throw Dan into that bed is likely another angle for them to work to get a piece of the financial pie they are missing out on.

I think the Australian people are being played for fools, and as per usual the loudest voices are all they need on board to conduct a hatchet job on one bloke at the top like it will make a difference.

Keep in mind something, all this money that they are spending now, is money taken out of budgets in future.  That means future pain that these departments are all going to wear, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a bunch of people spending money they don't need on things they are going to need moving forward to make up for any future shortfalls.

Brilliant post, 3 Leos. Perspective. Reality. Truth. Para 2 in your quality contribution to this discussion is one that some folks should read over and over.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-melbourne-doctor-suppression-or-elimination/12462518

This article is disturbing to me. OK an opinion piece, but from the front lines of the fight against this virus and suggesting that we may have the strategy all wrong?

Your inside perspective is always enlightening Thry, I didn't realise International air travellers were be preferentially directed to Victoria, so I crossed checked that and it seems it's correct.

But perhaps it's not really as a deliberate act as people might think. Like Sydney has it's deep water ports for cruise liners, a lot of flights into Australia arriving in Melbourne has to do with which airlines maintained international flights, where they have or can get landing slots in Tullamarine or Avalon, where airlines choose to have their capacity limited hubs, and the hours airports can or would remain open as not all are 24x7.

Brilliant post, 3 Leos. Perspective. Reality. Truth. Para 2 in your quality contribution to this discussion is one that some folks should read over and over.

All the more reason why it needed to be a secure and robust process handles by qualified people. The failure of the Ruby Princess disembarkation should have been a learning.

You just make so many false claims to support false assumptions there are too many to debate, there is nothing correct about what you posted but you're mired in defending your false conclusions. If you polish the scratches out of that broken record it will move to the next track!

Dude, I'm a solicitor.

Did plenty of con law in my early days. I know a bit about the divisions of powers.

Now, it's obvious - way beyond obvious -  you're the (personality?) type who thinks he know more than anyone else about everything, but seriously, once and a while, learn to STFU.

Dude, I'm a solicitor.

Did plenty of con law in my early days. I know a bit about the divisions of powers.

Now, it's obvious - way beyond obvious -  you're the (personality?) type who thinks he know more than anyone else about everything, but seriously, once and a while, learn to STFU.