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Listen to "Stuff You Should Know" podcast..........................for information about everything that has ever existed. (over 1200 episodes)

In this instance, they did one with Bill Gates a week ago. He talks about Vaccines for Covid 19.

https://player.fm/series/stuff-you-should-know-2151878/short-stuff-the-return-of-bill-gates

They also did one on Covid 19 a while back which goes into great detail about it.
Got episodes on Spanish Flu (100 years ago, same thing happened as now - we learned nothing!)

Media needs to be held in the same "esteem" as politicians and bureaucrats

@kruddler  Great links.

Perhaps they did learn something, but current actions are just wilfully ignoring history to save a penny!

Yes, the current situation is being politically managed almost identical to the Spanish Flu, it's truly bizarre. If you read up on the Spanish Flu history you can almost predict what the current politicians and bureaucrats will do next, even though some of those actions are monstrously wrong!

Political and social media spin about vaccines is very dangerous, it leaves an excuse for politicians to sit on their hands and do nothing, even though they are well aware of how long it takes to get a vaccine up and working. They been told this multiple times face to face, yet they broadcast disinformation, mostly I suspect to stop the social media causing people to lose hope and break the isolation rules. But I don't think misleading the public helps at all!

Last night Channel Dots had an interview with a virologist, he told them the Oxford vaccine Phase-3 trials haven't started yet, and that means at least 6 to 12 months before someone in the general public sees a dose, even if the process is shortcut. Even with the development on turbo the people in the trial have to be treated for at least 3 to 6 months before they know if the vaccine is safe and effective, then they will start making it in bulk. Not five minutes later on the same news broadcast Channel Dots reported that the vaccine could be here before Christmas, it's bullcrap and somebody should hold them to account!

Have you heard about the current capability that we are looking to produce said vaccine?

To dose the population in large enough numbers, we would have to double our ability to create one and that timeline might work, provided we already know what it looks like, and stop producing vaccines for everything else (including measles, mumps, rubella and all the standard ones the kids get).

We are years away from a proper tested vaccine being administered to anyone!

I think there will be 'incentives' for people to get vaccinated as well as 'disincentives ' if they don't.

There is rumour talk of Vaccine passports and travel restrictions even interstate, look forward to more protests and increased numbers of anti vaxers. Like I said I wouldnt be keen on the first batch of vaccine and would want to wait and see the side effects etc.

From what I can tell,  many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.

Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.

I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?

Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares....

Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.
I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?
Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares....

Thalidomide anyone?
(Please do not take offense, I'm not trivialising anything!)

That was probably the highest profile bad batch of untested pharmaceuticals ever produced, and all that was caused by a change in molecule chirality when it flipped from Righthand to Lefthand spiral during manufacture? That is why testing is so so important!

I understand what ScoMo was trying to do, these big foreign entities have the capability to make enough for Australia in just a few weeks. But he ignored the fact that Oxford's R&D is privately funded, and that no deal he can do will change that for Astra Zeneca and other big pharmaceutical companies! Trump offered to buy some of them out and they told him to shove it. ScoMo tried to bully them into a freebie because we do not have the capacity to make the stuff here fast enough!

CSL can make it fast and how.

From what I can tell,  many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.