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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1170
Thats actually a worldwide thing, not an aussie thing.

Seeing what this virus is doing to economies, companies know they are better off working together and killing this thing so they can go back to normal where they can ALL make more money.

Yep.  No point being the only profitable company if no one has money to pay you.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1171
Got abused on my walk (take your mask off idiot... Wake up!!!  It's a government conspiracy to reduce the population by giving everyone legionnaires disease!) by a plandemic protestor wearing a box on her head... 

There's nuff nuffs out there people... Stay safe one and all.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1172
Got abused on my walk (take your mask off idiot... Wake up!!!  It's a government conspiracy to reduce the population by giving everyone legionnaires disease!) by a plandemic protestor wearing a box on her head... 

There's nuff nuffs out there people... Stay safe one and all.

Its amazing.

Irrespective of where you sit on this COVID pandemic, the decision to be abusive is one made by an individual, and IMHO, is a bigger blight on our society than anything else anyone can point to.

Wear it or dont wear it, I dont agree with calling out anyone irrespective of where you sit with this decision making.

We should be practising kindness to each other. 

Not this abusive crap of plandemic, or wear a mask if not wearing one.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1173
Interesting correlations starting to appear between acute SARS-CoV-2 infections and vitamin D deficiencies, in particular low levels of exposure to daily sunlight.

It's early days, but there are patterns that could suggest this has more to it than just a lucky coincidence. For example, homeless people seem far more likely to get an asymptomatic infection than the average person, and elderly in nursing homes or prisoners are far more likely to get severe/acute symptoms.

While homeless often have low vitamin D levels, they are typically exposed to far more sunlight per day that the average person and they make vitamin D as well as any other person, but it is a conjecture they lose it quite quickly due to other dietary deficiencies.

There is also some correlation related to dark skinned people being more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, and it turns out they make far less vitamin D and as much as 80% of that segment of the population can be vitamin D deficient.

Sort of makes sense, but now somebody has to prove it.

Regardless, if I was in a high risk career, health, emergency services, I'd be looking to up my vitamin D by getting some extra sunlight on my face and if possible a small supplementary quantity. However, there is some risk with high doses, just like anything we can consume out of balance with our requirements. So the safe solution seems to be work hard at getting some more sunlight and let mother nature do the rest! Also ahead of using any supplements fresh pink salmon is your go to, with 1/2 your daily requirement in a serve it's got twice as much as the next best option which is tuna, then sardines and a bunch of other fishy delights, then milk, egg yokes, some cheese and meats.

Apparently any potential couch potato vegans and vegetarians are in big trouble, they are often deficient as most of their food and fruit doesn't have anywhere near enough vitamin D if they are weld indoors! So let your moody teenage daughter know!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1174
Interesting correlations starting to appear between acute SARS-CoV-2 infections and vitamin D deficiencies, in particular low levels of exposure to daily sunlight.

It's early days, but there are patterns that could suggest this has more to it than just a lucky coincidence. For example, homeless people seem far more likely to get an asymptomatic infection than the average person, and elderly in nursing homes or prisoners are far more likely to get severe/acute symptoms.

While homeless often have low vitamin D levels, they are typically exposed to far more sunlight per day that the average person and they make vitamin D as well as any other person, but it is a conjecture they lose it quite quickly due to other dietary deficiencies.

There is also some correlation related to dark skinned people being more susceptible to SARS-CoV-2, and it turns out they make far less vitamin D and as much as 80% of that segment of the population can be vitamin D deficient.

Sort of makes sense, but now somebody has to prove it.

Regardless, if I was in a high risk career, health, emergency services, I'd be looking to up my vitamin D by getting some extra sunlight on my face and if possible a small supplementary quantity. However, there is some risk with high doses, just like anything we can consume out of balance with our requirements. So the safe solution seems to be work hard at getting some more sunlight and let mother nature do the rest! Also ahead of using any supplements fresh pink salmon is your go to, with 1/2 your daily requirement in a serve it's got twice as much as the next best option which is tuna, then sardines and a bunch of other fishy delights, then milk, egg yokes, some cheese and meats.

Apparently any potential couch potato vegans and vegetarians are in big trouble, they are often deficient as most of their food and fruit doesn't have anywhere near enough vitamin D if they are weld indoors! So let your moody teenage daughter know!
Buy some Ostelin Vit D....

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1175
If that's the case we need the lockdowns to end pronto.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1176
If that's the case we need the lockdowns to end pronto.
 The lock downs is fine, people do not need to go further than outside their front door to get all the sun they need!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1177
The lock downs is fine, people do not need to go further than outside their front door to get all the sun they need!
No Vit D in the winter, you need the supplements..




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1181
Solar panels dont wear three layers of clothing and a beanie to go outside.
That is a matter for a person, not a demonstration of new strange physics during winter!

You can sit inside in the warm in a northerly aspect and get 30 ~ 60 minutes of midday sun, it still works through glass.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1182
That is a matter for a person, not a demonstration of new strange physics during winter!

You can sit inside in the warm in a northerly aspect and get 30 ~ 60 minutes of midday sun, it still works through glass.

Its funny, how wrong we can be, and right we can be all at the same time.

https://www.solar-facts-and-advice.com/vitamin-D-from-the-sun.html

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2)    UVB radiation:   Your skin requires UVB radiation to produce vitamin D.   Since glass blocks UVB – this means you need to be outdoors in the sun.  As we discussed in our section on irradiance, UVB is produced by the sun; and in our section on insolation, the amount of the sun's radiation varies with latitude, altitude  (e.g. in Denver you need 20% less time in the sun because of the altitude), weather conditions, time of day, time of year, etc.

While it is generally true that you can produce solar energy – as long as there is visible sunlight, the research on producing vitamin D from the sun seems to suggest that there is a threshold level of UVB your skin requires in order to produce Vitamin D. 

In other words – depending on where you live - the number of days and hours where there is sufficient UVB radiation your sun can use to produce Vitamin D will vary.   So while it might take you 15 minutes in the peak (10:00 AM  to 2:00 PM) time in the summer to produce the vitamin D you need – it could take much longer than that in the spring and fall  (substantially more if the weather is still chilly and you are wearing more clothing), and may not be possible at all in the winter.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1183
@ Thry

I spent much of my early life in a cold climate devoid of too much sunshine for months at a time. It proved to be  real problem for the darker skinned people who suffered from Rickets (caused by Vit D deficiency) unless they took a supplement.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1184
It's often propagated by the health industry that you need supplements, unless you have some medical condition that affects your production of vitamin-D you do not. Females are about 10x more likely than men to need supplements as they age due to biological concerns.

UV radiation is a continuous spectrum, that is divided in UVA, UVB and UVC to simplify discussions about it's effects on biology.

In reality all UV is attenuated by glass and other transparent surfaces, but it's not a cut-off filter effect. It is a curve like the graph below with UVB between 285 and 315nm, UVB is only a small percentage of solar UV radiation.

Note that graph is based on 10mm glass, most homes or buildings only have 3mm or 4mm glass!



Car windscreens and, greenhouse glass some of which contain reflective films can greatly alter the effect. But all it does is change how much time you need to spend in the sunlit window, being behind simple glass does not stop it the production of vitamin D it just slows the rate of production!

Plus, be careful reading websites, the data might be based on and targeted for people living in the Arctic circle, but then they are pale white in general for a reason, it is not an accident many are translucent blond! ;)
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