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Reply #1785 –
5 cases today. Third wave here we come!!!!
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1786 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
5 cases today. Third wave here we come!!!!
They are all in quarantine as international arrivals, this is probably the new COVID normal so we better get use to it!

It's a a genuine test of how it's setup and managed.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1787 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
What is a vaccine?

Simple, non medical definition.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vaccine

WHat little do we know about the Pfizer vaccine recently given to Will Shakespeare (someone's taking the piss)and another old dear in the UK?

1. It does not prevent someone from catching the virus
2. It does not prevent transmission of the virus
3. At best, it likely reduces the severity of symptoms (but then so do the HCQ and Ivermectin cocktails). Both cheap, safe and well understood.

So, in essence, it's fails the test. It ain't a vaccine.

Oh, and heard the stories about the 'vaccine' causing Bell's Palsy?
We need not take notice of moist of the social media rubbish, Joe Average will always find correlations instead of causation and that invented Down Syndrome and Palsy rubbish is laughable! It's simply the case that given a big enough study with enough participants there will be a correlation between any number of diseases the vaccine or drug being tested, of course the participants always claim it the drug or vaccine, even when they got the placebo!

No vaccine is 100% benign, if you feed a million people peanuts or eggs you could have as many if not more deaths or adverse reactions than you get from virtually any vaccine! Many vaccines are made from eggs! ;)

No HCQ and Ivermectin do not reduce symptoms like a vaccine does, and both those given in the same aggressive doses as Trump recieved increase the likelihood of death from other complications, at the doses required to be even minimally effective they have to be administered under hospitalisation so the cost of the drug is just a trivial part of the treatment which is Trump's lie!

The cocktail of drugs Trump and Giuliani received cost about US$130K to administer and monitor in hospital per patient, so Trump and Giuliani's treatment regime if made available to just 10% of US citizen's like Trump claimed would cost the USA more than $4 Trillion dollars, that's high but about 4x what he offered when he offered to buy the USA exclusive rights for the Pfizer vaccine! When Trump made the offer, he low-balled the real costs of hospitalisation treatment for COVID, as much as he is a Clark Kent he is not a financial idiot, he or his associates probably holds shares in some of the drug companies as well! The vaccines in any form will cost about 1/100th that amount!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1788 –
Remdesivir is the one that reduces the symptoms and length of hospital stay.

Flyboy77 has mixed his arguments up.

Aside from that you can keep this vaccine i dont want it.  I dont trust it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1789 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Remdesivir is the one that reduces the symptoms and length of hospital stay.

Flyboy77 has mixed his arguments up.

Aside from that you can keep this vaccine i dont want it.  I dont trust it.
Yep, ignoring the debate about HCQ and other treatments, it's all a fundamentally flawed debate in the shadow of prevention.

The vaccination decision that's your choice, it's everyone's choice, but then should there be some consequence of exercising that right to choose?

For example, if you work in a hospital/health system and refuse the vaccination, should you be allowed to continue work and mingle amongst those most vulnerable or those in contact with the vulnerable?

It looks like no vaccine no fly, the main reason appears to be airline liability and nothing to do with preventing transmission. What of the rights of the airline staff, the other passengers, the thousands of 3rd world dwellers you visit and brush past getting that cheap SE Asian holiday, kids who'll never be given or can afford a vaccination, hospitalisation or qualified care, but still deliver your poolside cocktail and buffet lunch? Bad luck for them?

What rights your elderly relatives, some may have cardiovascular or respiratory disease, still going to visit them at Christmas, do you still expect to roll up and have them provide you a feast at Easter while you potentially give them far more in return?

Interesting, this idea of freedom to choose, .................... choose what?

Vaccines are as much about if not more about protecting those around you, not just yourself!

We sit here under a banner of freedom, built on volunteers who chose to protect us when we couldn't protect ourselves, it seems to make the taking of an injection a relatively trivial sacrifice!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1790 –
Qantas is dead right.  Proof or no uplift at point of departure regardless of the port on THEIR metal.  Effectively, that's an abolition of code share with all their One World partners who issue tickets under the "QF" designator when it is those airlines who own the aircraft ... and there's plenty of them that operate under that arrangement ... and that will enforce those carriers' needs to fall into line with the homegrown initiative lest THEY risk their own liability. 


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Reply #1791 –

Interesting article on the FB group “Blocked by Pete Evans” this morning on the issue of the drug companies seeking to profit and the first world governments prepurchasing a massive stockpile of vaccine at the expense of poorer countries.
I think the gist was that Australia has in excess of 100m doses, whereas the Philippines has enough for 1.5% of their population...

https://www.facebook.com/1508618869400880/posts/2703984163197672/
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #1792 –
Quote from: northernblue on
Interesting article on the FB group “Blocked by Pete Evans” this morning on the issue of the drug companies seeking to profit and the first world governments prepurchasing a massive stockpile of vaccine at the expense of poorer countries.
I think the gist was that Australia has in excess of 100m doses, whereas the Philippines has enough for 1.5% of their population...

https://www.facebook.com/1508618869400880/posts/2703984163197672/
Just addressing more Facebook rubbish, things so easily debunked.

Australia has ordered just enough to vaccinate everyone in the country if everyone wanted it, two doses per person that is about 50m.

But it hasn't even been delivered or manufactured yet, so that also shows the idea of stockpiling is just rubbish.

What Western Governments are doing is guaranteeing to manufacturers is that if they setup locally to make the vaccine then they will buy a certain amount of vaccine to cover the setup costs. So at this stage the Aust Government has agreed to purchase up to 50m doses from four potential suppliers, but the UoQ is already out of the race so now that is back to Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca.

The excess doses of that guaranteed purchase of vaccine will be donated to countries that cannot afford to make their own, and in fact Australia is the leader in calling for this to happen! But perhaps Philippines isn't likely to be one of them, as it is easily populous and wealthy enough to make it's own vaccine. However small and poor countries like Fiji, PNG, Cooke Islands, Myanmar, Haiti, Sri Lanka and other poor Pacific Island, Sth American or African states are likely to be recipients.

It's a bit ironic for some on Facebook to claim this is inhumane, it exposes an anti-vaccination position, or vested interests!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1793 –
You didn’t read the link LP.
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Reply #1794 –
Quote from: northernblue on
You didn’t read the link LP.
Sorry @northernblue, I was referring to some of the FB claims that prompt that post, I've become a bit too quick to shoot in recent times because the amount of rubbish being posted on FB and Instagram is truly extraordinary.

As for profit, I'm not overly concerned, because Pfizer and Moderna won't get many big buyers as governments know the costs. They aren't going to be able to sell it at 1000% margin like they do some other drugs. And if they want to sell at a margin, 20%, 50 or even 100% it's still going to be way way cheaper than treatment. FWIW, one of the side benefits of this accelerated trial and approval process is that the R&D cost is massively reduced!

But I think you'll find they'll buckle because there will be huge pressure on all their other product lines, they'll be ostracised by the various state regulators.

Astrazeneca (Oxford) are the smart players in this, they are effectively allowing people to gear up at no premium, by offering the vaccine at cost it causes countries to invest in compatible manufacturing technology that gives them a huge advantage going forward when licensing other drugs.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1795 –
I posted about Bill Gates commentary on Covid and vaccinations......from about 4 months ago?

Anyway, short version is he said that all the big companies will charge developed countries as expected....this will allow the companies to make enough of a profit that they will manufacture for the rest of world....even those countries that can't afford it will be covered by the 'rich countries' like us.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1796 –
Quote from: LP on
They are all in quarantine as international arrivals, this is probably the new COVID normal so we better get use to it!

It's a a genuine test of how it's setup and managed.
There should be the following international protocol to return home:
1. quarantine in a hotel at departure port for 14days, two negative tests and you can board.
2. 14 days quarantine on arrival, two negative tests and you can go home.
2017-16th
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2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1797 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
There should be the following international protocol to return home:
1. quarantine in a hotel at departure port for 14days, two negative tests and you can board.
2. 14 days quarantine on arrival, two negative tests and you can go home.
You can be infected the second you leave either quarantine, you can be infected boarding or taking the Uber home, the interval is arbitrary the reason for quarantine is traceability.

The only effective prevention regime is social distancing, masks and a vaccine, everything else is about traceability.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1798 –
"The state government is pushing for pre-flight COVID-19 testing for overseas passengers landing in Melbourne, as seven infected travellers remain in hotel quarantine." - HS

What a great idea.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #1799 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
"The state government is pushing for pre-flight COVID-19 testing for overseas passengers landing in Melbourne, as seven infected travellers remain in hotel quarantine." - HS

What a great idea.
How do you police that?

Will you trust all foreign authorities to give passengers the all clear and rubber stamp?

It appears a clear and growing risk is flight crews, and passengers are in intimate contact with them!
The Force Awakens!