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Considering how few covid cases and how few covid deaths we've actually had the vaccine can't have a degree of failure that is as high as reported.

We are batting at 909 deaths off 29112 positive cases.

Off 25 million people thats tiny, so if this vaccine is even moderately dangerous then we are likely to cause more damage than we solve with it at the moment.  That could easily change but you know what I mean.

That doesn't mean the rest of the population will never get COVID, the vaccine prevents future infections the past is almost irrelevant when compared to the potential of COVID over the coming months.

Most deadly thing might be complacency!

Personally I'd chuck coppers in that group, they deal with all the awful things in our world for two tenths of SFA.

You give 25 million people a vaccine and if its 1 in 1000 that end up with a problem you condemn 25000 people guaranteed to potentially save 1 in God knows how many positive who are also categorised as high risk and likely to kick it.

That's 0.1% of vaccinations if it's correct, but the global stats suggest the chance of severe reaction is even lower.

The figures just for COVID-19 deaths, not including severe illness and long term COVID-19 effects, is 2000%(20x) worse! The global death average is 2.2%, for 25 million infections that is 550,000 deaths or 2200% worse than your vaccines kill example!

Using severe reactions to the vaccine as the argument just doesn't make sense, because so far the vaccines are proving 100% effective at reducing or eliminating severe COVID-19 cases, so even if your are correct that's a 2190% improvement!

COVID-19 is a Corona virus, the same as the common cold, everybody gets it sooner or later, all 25.5 million of us! Which is why the scientists are now working hard on a generic broad spectrum vaccine that has a chance of working against any variant of coronavirus.

The "do not get the vaccine it's not safe" argument, is akin to arguing against car seat belts because they only save 98% of car accident victims.

The herd immunity theory demands that some of the herd have to be sacrificed... why not keep those sacrificial numbers lower by using the safer vaccines and not the one that is the cheapest, easiest to store and distribute. It's clear the astrazeneca is the worst of the vaccines, why are we being forced into having it when other countries have suspended or scrapped it.
Why are we not waiting for the Novavax or JJ one dose variety...because they cost more to buy and store?

Putting on a seat belt isn't going to harm you, getting a jab with a vaccine that nine countries have pulled might.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/three-people-in-norway-treated-for-unusual-symptoms-after-astrazeneca-covid-19-shots-20210314-p57aj3.html

LP you don't think we're playing politics considering AstraZ is what we have invested the most in?

It would be a disaster if it had to be canned.

In the UK, they seem to think some regions where politics have overtaken science are cherry-picking correlations, because the the numbers do not show more than expected.

Phil Bryan, head of the UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said reports of blood clots so far didn't exceed what would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population.

"Available evidence does not confirm that the vaccine is the cause," he said.

More than 11 million doses of AstraZeneca's vaccine have so far been administered across the UK.

As I've mentioned before, a lot of politics in all this, EU countries profit from Pfizer and Novavax as they are made for the EU within the EU, but not so much from AstraZeneca as it manufacturing is distributed globally. J&J vaccine was developed by Janssen (Netherlands) has partnered with Merck (Germany and Belgium), so again Merck make in the EU.

The alerts and reactions do not match the level of risk exposed in the stats.

LP, People are getting blood clots 2-3 days after the jab and you think there is no link, just coincidence?
Sth Africa canned it because it was only 25%
effective in their trials vs their own new strain.
They went with the more expensive JJ and the govt would have lost money..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnlamattina/2021/03/12/what-else-can-go-wrong-with-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine/?sh=e07a32e4b5cb

More countries cooling on it...Germany and France dont want a bar of it and the author of that article is suggesting the USA flog it to 3rd world nations to make a buck as its seen as inferior.  How many more countries do we need to can it before Scotty wakes up we can do better with the other vaccines.
If the English want to go down saluting the home grown product then good luck to them, doesnt mean we have to follow like sheep ...
Scotty has just had his second dose of Pfizer.....yet is spruking the AstraZ....how comforting...