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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2535
She is getting the astra tomorrow. She asked for the Pfizer but was told it's reserved for doctors. Why?
Is that true, the "reserved for doctors" comment.

Here is what I was advised just this afternoon, as I'm supposedly in the 1b segment.

If you are yet to have a dose you'll get AstraZeneca.

If you've already had AstraZeneca you'll get a 2nd AstraZeneca.

If you've already had a Pfizer you'll get a 2nd Pfizer.

We won't cross vaccinate as this is yet to be proven or approved.

Pfizer is only available in limited quantities because the EU put the brakes on it's export and we only had a limited quantity already here.

We make AstraZeneca here now, starting this week we have 800,000+ doses available, soon to be making 1 Million per week. The 50 million AstraZeneca we have licensed to make just covers the bulk of the vaccinated population for two shots, and it will take well into next year to get he job done.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2536
.. and sobering numbers to put it mildly

Brazil had 200,000 deaths cumulative up to Dec31st 2020.  In less than three months, it's now close to 300,000!

In March 2000, it was zero !!!! 



I stated this once before, regarding cases of death being slippery.  Last time I did it was in favour of being careful with respect to how they're reporting covic deaths and to rebutt an argument about dying with covid not from covid.

My father had chronic lymphocytic leukaemia.   We were told that this is the cancer that is best to have, as it has a 95% survival rate beyond 15 years of diagnosis or some such bollocks with a really low death rate.  Anyway, in his treatment plan, just as his numbers were stabilising on the back of chemotherapy, they started prepping for a bone marrow transplant which was supposed to help him later in life.  They gave him a large dose of chemo to prep for this, and unfortunately for him, his liver shutdown about a month after the chemo treatment.  He died two weeks later, as the liver has over 200 metabolic functions. 

On his death certificate, cause of death was listed as hematemisis brought on by liver failure as a result of reactivation of hepatitis c.

Where does he sit in the 95% cause of death by clc?  I bet you he's on the other side (5%) yet he was never previously formally diagnosed with hep c, they estimate he had it in his system from the migration on ship to Australia.  As far as I'm concerned without clc he doesn't die from this cause, but its equally possible they used a dirty needle or a batch of chemo drugs that was unclean and couldn't categorically state why he died.  Ultimately the outcome for us is the same, so we didn't pursue it as it doesnt bring him back either way.

I stated this in covids benefit once, and I state it here to show that if the statistical reporting is as much an exercise of statistical gymnastics as it is truth, and that we might be being fed a lot of crap from around the world.

Even so, I dont state this for anything but truth seeking. 

What I would like to see is how these numbers stack up overlaid with the average death rate for this time in terms of influenza, and average deaths.  We should see a rather dramatic spike in overall deaths on a trend line during a pandemic where a disproportionate number of additional deaths are recorded.

Those stats are not mentioned much, and they are worthy of paying attention to.  It's data without context explainable by the overall drop in human activity during this pandemic but the death rate is not remarkable on average according tot he following link.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/BRA/brazil/death-rate

I am not posting this for any reason but to encourage more questions, in the hope we gain some clarity.  The pandemic has changed how we move through society remarkably, but the slums of Brazil should not yield much social distancing IMHO.
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Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2537
Regarding which vaccine you get.  At work, I am told it's a lottery.   Go one day you might get Pfizer.  Go another day and you'll get AZ.  where its getting tricky, is that people are rejecting and rebooking to try their luck again.

Now this is also possibly related to the wait time between jabs for protection but I just pass on what I hear.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2538
Sorry to hear about your father @Thryleon‍, it's never easy and sometimes we just feel powerless.

The vaccine lottery is interesting, I think that is just a kind way of say they don't know what will be delivered. We can't ignore the media and social media impacts of those booking cancellations, even when they just pose a question it's not always asking in innocence!

On the Brazil charts, I notice the charts linked have a big disclaiming stating they do not include the effects of COVID beyond 2020. You would have to be a bit of a statistical wizard to detangle what is one effect from another. I gather the major influence here is the global aging population, which like the rest of the planet will be putting a cap on population. It's a huge problem coming for young children now, my actuary friend tells me in the mid 2100s there will be too many people who all grow old and frail together at the same time, and most of the world won't have the resources or income to look after them.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2540
Bullcrap!

Science has completely confirmed masks reduce the transmission of droplet born virus by as much as 85%.

It is true that the type of masks the general public wear might not stop aerosol based infection, primarily because the general public do not use disposable masks correctly, but that is a different thing altogether to droplet transmission. However, Dr Cath Noakes has noted controlling air turnover in buildings has a significant influence on reducing aerosol transmission. Aerosol transmission is considered to be very unlikely in open or well ventilated spaces.

Interestingly preliminary indications are this Influenza season will be less prevalent primarily due the wider global use of masks in public spaces.

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Aerosol transmission is considered to be very unlikely in open or well ventilated spaces.

Gee, who would have thought?

Let's see your study. i'll rip it to shreds in seconds.....if it's even on point.

Did you read the Danish RCT study from late last year?

Or you could start here....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

But entirely typical of your standard blustering response - no supporting reference, just I'm a scientist, I know better than you - end of story..

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2541
So the immanent reintroduction of international flights into Melb, is that for returned travellers (ie Aussie Citizens) or general holiday makers? If its for the latter, they can get f-ed
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2542
Is that true, the "reserved for doctors" comment.

I told her she should ask for the Pfizer. She asked and was told by her boss that she would have to go to travel to Dandenong hospital for that and she said she was willing. Then the boss got back to her and said sorry the Pfizer is only for doctors.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2543
I told her she should ask for the Pfizer. She asked and was told by her boss that she would have to go to travel to Dandenong hospital for that and she said she was willing. Then the boss got back to her and said sorry the Pfizer is only for doctors.

Sort of interesting but there’s nothing to substantiate the bosses knowledge/lack of, of anything.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2544
And for all those who hold onto to the rhetoric that Sweden did badly - because of no lock downs, no masks etc.

This might finally get you to quieten down.

See attached.

(And no, it's not Bjorn and Benny cuddling in the nude!)
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2545
But entirely typical of your standard blustering response - no supporting reference, just I'm a scientist, I know better than you - end of story..
Do you actually read what you link, the studies completely support what I posted. You've posted a link and only picked out the bits and pieces you like from the introduction, while the whole article goes on to explain why your general anti-mask argument is completely and unequivocally wrong! ;)
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A properly fitted N95 will block 95% of tiny air particles down to 0.3 μm from reaching the wearer’s face.
Most N95 rated masks (not respirators) even disposable ones filter down to sub-micron level, but they are only effective if you change them regularly which is the problem the public has. People wear the same disposable mask day in day out and once they are damp and contaminated from the moisture in exhalations they aren't as effective.
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Evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm)
N95 FFR filter — >95% efficiency
Medical masks — 55% efficiency
General (cloth) masks — 38% efficiency
Handkerchiefs — 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency.
N95 masks are the best, but not necessarily N95 respirators because they might have pressure relief valves that open during exhalation. General medical masks are almost as effective as an open window. The commercial cloth masks and other types are partially effective for droplets, the homemade single layer types of bandana or gaiter are almost useless.

That scatter gun approach you employ has shot your own argument in the foot, ................ again! ;D
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2546
And for all those who hold onto to the rhetoric that Sweden did badly - because of no lock downs, no masks etc.

This might finally get you to quieten down.
Nobody claimed Sweden did badly, your generalising when people refer to countries like Norway and Denmark as Nordic nations, Sweden haven't followed the path of other Nordic countries at all, and it has quickly adopted a strong COVID-19 policy including vaccination and mask wearing.

Sweden is great example of what happens when you stop listening to the loopy conspiracists and start respect the science.

I can't imagine how you pick out examples that so badly support your argument, surely you aren't so unlucky that this happens by chance?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2547
Do you actually read what you link, the studies completely support what I posted. You've posted a link and only picked out the bits and pieces you like from the introduction, while the whole article goes on to explain why your general anti-mask argument is completely and unequivocally wrong! ;)Most N95 rated masks (not respirators) even disposable ones filter down to sub-micron level, but they are only effective if you change them regularly which is the problem the public has. People wear the same disposable mask day in day out and once they are damp and contaminated from the moisture in exhalations they aren't as effective.N95 masks are the best, but not necessarily N95 respirators because they might have pressure relief valves that open during exhalation. General medical masks are almost as effective as an open window. The commercial cloth masks and other types are partially effective for droplets, the homemade single layer types of bandana or gaiter are almost useless.

That scatter gun approach you employ has shot your own argument in the foot, ................ again! ;D

You've gone and cherry picked.

You focus on the N95 masks and the like.

How many punters in the street wear N95s.....

Jesus LP, that's poor.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2548

Nobody claimed Sweden did badly, your generalising when people refer to countries like Norway and Denmark as Nordic nations, Sweden haven't followed the path of other Nordic countries at all, and it has quickly adopted a strong COVID-19 policy including vaccination and mask wearing.

Sweden is great example of what happens when you stop listening to the loopy conspiracists and start respect the science.

I can't imagine how you pick out examples that so badly support your argument, surely you aren't so unlucky that this happens by chance?

I laughed aloud when I read that comment.

Very funny.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2549
You've gone and cherry picked.

You focus on the N95 masks and the like.
Nope, I listed all the masks and efficacies taken from the article you link. ;)
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