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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3000 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Bilateral Pneumonia and Congenital Heart Failure might yield covid like results though.

Likewise, you can have those things, and also die with covid and be listed as a covid death.

There is scope for some rubbery nature of figures there and that depends on what you want the data to show.
Not being able to breathe is a common cause of death.....its just a bit rarer when you have a huge Blood clot in the lung of a healthy person as the cause.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3001 –
If you claim the vaccines kill people, they are extra deaths above and beyond the background rate.

Even here in Australia with our rubbish Feds we've handed out 4 million vaccine doses, but there are no extra people dying!

If the vaccine killed 1 in a 1000, that would be 4000 extra deaths, if it killed one in 100,000, that would be at least 40 extra deaths, instead we've seen the death rate drop from the usual baseline!

All claims of people dying from COVID vaccine are fiction, the numbers do not lie, the numbers have no politics or opinion!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3002 –
Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3003 –
Quote from: Mav on
Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations.
Yes, an uncomfortable fact for some.

The type of clot the vaccine naysayers want to blame for AZ vaccination deaths is exceedingly rare, a tiny fraction of normal clot incidents and a tiny percentage of deaths from clots.

I notice none of the critics have addressed that in Australia more people died some time after being vaccinated by Pfizer, is that because they spent the last few months hitching their wagon to Pfizer? AZ bad, Pfizer good! ;D
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3004 –
People keep arguing the extremes. It's always in the middle.
The vaccines are not responsible for all those deaths and it is responsible for more than none of them....albeit indirectly in most cases.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3005 –
Quote from: Mav on
Are you saying that no very healthy person with no family history of blood clots died of large blood clots before Covid vaccinations started? Aren’t strokes often caused by clots? They & DVT seem to have predated Covid vaccinations.
I'm saying its irregular and given the Govt have been forced to scrap the Astraz for U50's due to clotting issues you can apply some common sense to people passing away days after receiving the vaccine.
Its interesting how the Government focus has shifted away from AstraZ and are now looking to switch focus from AstraZeneca/Pfizer vaccines to the Moderna vaccine.

The Aus Government has secured a deal with Moderna for 25 million vaccines and are now trying to hasten the onshore construction of MRNA vaccines and there are hopes Moderna could produce their vaccine in Australia as well.
The Moderna deal will see one million doses in the third quarter of the year and nine million in the late fourth quarter with the remaining 15 million to be an advanced MRNA vaccine which will be a variant booster.
Another vote of confidence in AstraZ....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3006 –
Pfizer's (mRNA) primary severe side-effect is myocarditis and pericarditis, there are as many of these events for Pfizer as there is clotting events for AZ.

Yet the health bureaucrats have reserved Pfizer for vaccine candidates with cardiology and haematology issues.

That is a blunder of politics and bureaucracy, and nothing to do with the science.

Another example of politics making a bad decision, like the AZ restrictions, it's the politics of fear and polls.
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3007 –
Quote from: LP on
Pfizer's (mRNA) primary severe side-effect is myocarditis and pericarditis, there are as many of these events for Pfizer as there is clotting events for AZ.

Yet the health bureaucrats have reserved Pfizer for vaccine candidates with cardiology and haematology issues.

That is a blunder of politics and bureaucracy, and nothing to do with the science.

Another example of politics making a bad decision, like the AZ restrictions, it's the politics of fear and polls.
Agree the Pfizer isnt the panacea of Vaccines at this stage either.....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3008 –
We're saved !!!!

That moron female health idiot in SA has said fans shouldn't touch the ball if it flies over the fence in an upcoming match !!!

FMD.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3009 –
Quote from: capcom on
We're saved !!!!

That moron female health idiot in SA has said fans shouldn't touch the ball if it flies over the fence in an upcoming match !!!

FMD.
 Nobody in the SA crowd should touch their balls, leave the balls to the professionals! :o
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3010 –
Quote from: capcom on
We're saved !!!!

That moron female health idiot in SA has said fans shouldn't touch the ball if it flies over the fence in an upcoming match !!!

FMD.

 

A mate sent me the link to her saying that. I was certain it was a joke but when looking it further realised it wasn’t.  Utter madness.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3011 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Agree the Pfizer isnt the panacea of Vaccines at this stage either.....

https://greatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/



nothing to see here!  :-[  :-[

Meanwhile, another dumb physician for LP to explain how he knows much more than....  :o

https://vimeo.com/490351508
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3012 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
https://greatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/



nothing to see here!  :-[  :-[

Meanwhile, another dumb physician for LP to explain how he knows much more than....  :o

https://vimeo.com/490351508
Watched a video of the the senate committee looking into Covid treatments and Ivermectin was mentioned as achieving positive results overseas and why isnt the TGA looking at it? If I can find the Video I will post it, had a lot of questions on Vaccine safety, legal aspects of the vaccines etc. The Government reps were looking a tad uneasy through it all...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3013 –
The point missed by Flyboy is that COVID-19 illness is a complex suite of secondary infections and comorbidity caused by the virus Sars-CoV-2. He seems unable or unwilling to understand the difference between the disease and the virus for whatever private reason he holds.

Ivermectin used complementary with other medicines for treating those secondary infections and comorbidities is useful, but it has little usefulness in direct treatment of or as a prophylactic for Sars-CoV-2 virus infections. Compared to the Sars-CoV-2 prophylactic effects of the most basic vaccine, Ivermectin is almost useless, and 10x the price$ for a somewhat weakly effective period of just 4 weeks.

It pays to remember when discussing COVID-19, it's secondary effects and it's comorbidities, for example on the contents of death certificates, that it is a complex disease.

Now for those struggling with this concept. I can simplify it;
Sars-CoV-2 causes an infection which can weaken the immune system. That is like the ring leader breaking through the restaurant or 7/11(aka., your body) front doors(aka., your immune system) that had kept the snacks(aka., you) locked away from it's nefarious mates, like fungi, mould and bacteria, and then when it gets in it leaves the doors wide open and shouts out a "Dinner Time" invite! ;D
I think the next step in this mindless social media efficacy debate, will be naysayers highlighting cases where vaccinated people still got COVID-19 disease or a Sars-CoV-2 infection, and claiming the vaccines do not work because they weren't perfect! ;)

Quote from: Dr Roderick McRae Victorian AMA President
“We were all kind of forgetting that we’re sitting on the safe, relatively isolated periphery of a roaring global pandemic,” Dr McRae said. “The iconic Australian ‘she’ll be right’ is very, very dangerous.”

 
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3014 –
Ive hardly posted on this thread but im confused with this latest 'outbreak'

We were told this particular strain spreads at a rapid rate, a rate that we have never experienced before. Then they come out and tell us the sites of exposures from Covid active people is exploding - currently stands at just under 400 sites.

Between 30-50K of law abiding citizens have done what is asked of them and got tested per day since this current lockdown started and as I've tonight's news there is 62 total cases.

So do the math 62 active cases yet there was 400 active sites of exposure of a disease that spreads 'by even walking past someone that has it'!

So we shut down bulk of industry, wear masks inside and out, are locked up in our homes unless we are buying food or medical reason and have to listen to the media tell us daily how things are tracking - with all there usual doom words like  cases are 'spiralling' 'rocketing' early days in the lockdown to now 'exploding exposure sites'.  

Yet only 62 Victoria's have this crazy contagious strain with the first case 10 days ago.

Does something not add up here folks or am I missing something ........