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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3015
Ive hardly posted on this thread but im confused with this latest 'outbreak'

We were told this particular strain spreads at a rapid rate, a rate that we have never experienced before. Then they come out and tell us the sites of exposures from Covid active people is exploding - currently stands at just under 400 sites.

Between 30-50K of law abiding citizens have done what is asked of them and got tested per day since this current lockdown started and as I've tonight's news there is 62 total cases.

So do the math 62 active cases yet there was 400 active sites of exposure of a disease that spreads 'by even walking past someone that has it'!

So we shut down bulk of industry, wear masks inside and out, are locked up in our homes unless we are buying food or medical reason and have to listen to the media tell us daily how things are tracking - with all there usual doom words like  cases are 'spiralling' 'rocketing' early days in the lockdown to now 'exploding exposure sites'.  

Yet only 62 Victoria's have this crazy contagious strain with the first case 10 days ago.

Does something not add up here folks or am I missing something ........
Put it in the 'short term pain, long term gain' category.

We acted too slowly last year and spent 6 weeks in lockdown, now we are paranoid and shut down too quick.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3016

Yet only 62 Victoria's have this crazy contagious strain with the first case 10 days ago.

Does something not add up here folks or am I missing something ........
 Yes, the incubation period, which is why the lockdown runs so much longer than the detections.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3017
Watched a video of the the senate committee looking into Covid treatments and Ivermectin was mentioned as achieving positive results overseas and why isnt the TGA looking at it? If I can find the Video I will post it, had a lot of questions on Vaccine safety, legal aspects of the vaccines etc. The Government reps were looking a tad uneasy through it all...

Now LP, if you'd read ANY of the papers I've posted (or watched the videos) you'd learn that you really have zero idea.

But that's ok, I picked you some time back. Learnings aren't necessary for one who knows everything.

The difference between the virus and the (alleged) resultant illness....irrelevant to the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

It can and does stop viral replication and it can also help post the fabled cytokine storm, when punters are on death's door in hospital.

Why isn't the TGA looking at it? Well that's a good question, isn't it.....

Indeed, the potential of Ivermectin to counter CV19 was well known well over a year ago....

http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.26424.57600/2

And no one is suggesting you use Ivermectin in isolation - again, if you'd bother to read, watch and learn...alas.

Safety?

Safer than houses.

Noting no drug is perfect/ideal in all situations.... https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2008/050742s022lbl.pdf

Yet, if Ivermectin and/or HCQ had been recognised as potentially viable treatments back when - then no EUA would have been possible for the experimental vaccines....

QED.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3018
Ask Professor Sutton ... who is NOT a professor.  Nothing near it.  Just a "lean on" boy.

Been asked to submit his qualifications.  Won't
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3019
Ive hardly posted on this thread but im confused with this latest 'outbreak'

We were told this particular strain spreads at a rapid rate, a rate that we have never experienced before. Then they come out and tell us the sites of exposures from Covid active people is exploding - currently stands at just under 400 sites.

Between 30-50K of law abiding citizens have done what is asked of them and got tested per day since this current lockdown started and as I've tonight's news there is 62 total cases.

So do the math 62 active cases yet there was 400 active sites of exposure of a disease that spreads 'by even walking past someone that has it'!

So we shut down bulk of industry, wear masks inside and out, are locked up in our homes unless we are buying food or medical reason and have to listen to the media tell us daily how things are tracking - with all there usual doom words like  cases are 'spiralling' 'rocketing' early days in the lockdown to now 'exploding exposure sites'.  

Yet only 62 Victoria's have this crazy contagious strain with the first case 10 days ago.

Does something not add up here folks or am I missing something ........

The thing that had me beat was that the first sign of outbreak with a deadly disease should have been in a healthcare setting.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3021
Capcom - Look at his LinkedIn profile, it seems to be there except for a gap from graduation to first listed job.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-sutton-4b574456/?originalSubdomain=au

I would find it hard to believe that the Victorian Chief Health Officer would use Professor in his title if he wasn't one.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3022
Not from what I heard tonight guys ... from a real professor with the credentials.  I'd still like to see the evidence.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3023
Brett Sutton was awarded an adjunct clinical professorship by Monash Uni so the Vice Chancellor would have given him that on the basis he was an expert with an International standing in some field which I presume is connected with his overseas infectious disease work and he must have written recognized papers on that topic and achieved some acclaim. etc.
You would think there wouldnt be too many Aus Professors with pandemic experience, also some may not realize but leadership is a important part of qualifying for the title....I'd expect Sutton to be recognized beyond the title of Professor when this is finished and he will have a healthy academic career if he wants telling his story and writing medical text on the subject.




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3025
And no one is suggesting you use Ivermectin in isolation
Ahh, finally it's starting to sink in, I'm a bit surprised you admit that it's useless against Sars-CoV-2!

I'm not going to discuss those Dr Peru links much, his expertise has done them well, they've made it to No.1 on the deaths per Million chart. I'm a bit surprised you forgot to cross check that before posting, is cut and paste become the lazy way out? ::) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Well, Dr Peru's lack of startling results is hardly surprising, seeing his treatment regime distils down to an Ivermectin 4mg, with an Aspirin a good feed of beans and a nice lie down, which I gather in Peru probably means you ain't ever getting up again! :o

Not so good for his reputation, but might not be too bad for his wallet, even if he makes nothing from Merck he'll still have swathes of land to his lonesome when his strategy is done!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3026
We've locked up a state for the most virulent and infectious disease that has spread to 70 odd people in over 400 locations over the period of 3 weeks.

Whilst I am not in favour of "let her rip" the risk analyst in me is looking at this and wondering what the cost benefit analysis looks like.

Of course, I cant forecast what the alternative looks like, but if the modelling that has been done is done with the initial premise that x% of cases end up in ICU, and that data has changed, perhaps the risk profile has also changed to a point, where perhaps the modelling should be looked at over and over again to ensure the risk profile is still correct.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3027
Of course, I cant forecast what the alternative looks like, but if the modelling that has been done is done with the initial premise that x% of cases end up in ICU, and that data has changed, perhaps the risk profile has also changed to a point, where perhaps the modelling should be looked at over and over again to ensure the risk profile is still correct.
Yes, this is always the case for the science side of it, it has to be a case of continual review and refinement.

It should be the same for policy, but I can't say that is the case.

Also, we need to be careful not to judge the science using the actions of politicians and bureaucrats, the two are not necessarily aligned.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3028
Flyboy mentioned COVID-19 Cytokine Storm, actually he referred to it as fabled, so I thought I give you a first-hand account!
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Grant McIntyre is a Dundee orthodontics professor who - after an unbelievable 128 days in the hospital with COVID-19 - managed to almost fully recover. He’s become known as ‘Scotland’s sickest COVID survivor’, and he and his wife have just written a book about the experience called Dying to Live: The Last Roll of the Dice. He told Chris the full story...

Grant - The journey started towards the end of March last year in the first wave of COVID in the UK when I became progressively unwell. It suddenly became pretty clear that I was indeed suffering from COVID, and after three hospital administrations, things took a turn for the worse and I spiralled towards critical illness. For the first 50 days of that, I was unaware of what was going on. Not only did the COVID attack every corner of my body, but my own immune system mounted what was called a 'cytokine storm'. I'd never heard of this before, but it's where the immune system goes into overdrive and effectively attacks every corner of the body as well. At the same time I went to multi-organ failure. Just about every organ in my body was being destroyed. Up to this point I'd been on all sorts of oxygen therapy, and I have no idea just how much oxygen I've used during my treatment, but I'm guessing having just listened to Leith's very interesting interview that it must be quite a significant amount.

I was then put on to, in essence, a heart lung bypass machine. I had acquired a significant number of blood transfusions, and even with the oxygen machine pumping in vast quantities of oxygen into my blood, for some reason my body wasn't able to retain that oxygen and my blood oxygen levels would plummet on a regular basis whilst on the life support. The doctors were running out of options pretty rapidly, and after over a month of being on the ECMO life support machine, it was decided that the only thing left to try would be a massive dose of steroids over a significant number of days. I'm very fortunate for the doctors making that decision, because that was the turning point. And after 39 days of being on life support, I was apparently able to move an eyelid, and by day 42 to lift a finger on command from the medical and nursing staff.
You can listen to the full interview HERE at The Naked Scientist Podcast

Cytokine storm fabled maybe not.

Calling it fabled is a bit like calling COVID-19 an "alleged" disease, I've heard that somewhere else before as well! ::)
The difference between the virus and the (alleged) resultant illness....irrelevant to the effectiveness of Ivermectin.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3029
Appears that the karma bus has pulled into Anthony Fauci's driveway.