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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3045 –
Quote from: LP on
Phew, .................. what a nutjob, has been publicly campaigning against vaccines since 2018, long long before Sars-CoV-2.

Debunking his claims on COVID, for example the official reports state most children can be completely asymptomatic yet have a high virus load and be very infectious, the science has proven the exact opposite of what he claims is the reality. It turns out the intial studies show this India variant is or might be even far worse in this regard.

PCR is only the preliminary test, it's the dogs nose, after a PCR positive infected individuals have a viral load test by a secondary method different from the initial method.

In Oct 2020, Yeadon famously announced to the world that the pandemic is over, he had been stating since April 2020 that it would fade away.

He is sponsored by Robert F. Kennedy Jr, who is America's most famous anti-vaxxer. India, Brazil, Peru, Cuba, Malaysia, all say hello!

Love the way you make high and mighty statement and never back it up with ANYTHING.

Takes a special skill.

Kids "can be completely asymptomatic yet have a high virus load and be very infectious" from "official reports" (nice little appeal to authority) but alas, as always, BS.

There's quite a lot of on point (the kids' role) science - likely stuff LP doesn't read (as he already knows it all). For example:

1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2021/04/14/peds.2021-050182.full.pdf
2. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e2020004879.long?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=TrendMD&utm_campaign=Pediatrics_TrendMD_0
3. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/147/1/e2020029736?utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=TrendMD&utm_campaign=Pediatrics_TrendMD_0

There's plenty more of the same sort of stuff. None of it even remotely supports LP's 'position'.

PCR tests - well at least he's gently resiling from the veracity of the PCR test. i know a few who have caught COVID - none were subsequently tested with another test? Anyone else?

 And my favourite - the Indian variant - let's let Mike Yeadon explain about variants....

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-robust-is-covid-immunity/

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To date, no robust scientific evidence proves that any of the variants identified are more transmissible or deadly than the original.12 By definition, variants are clinically identical. Once there is a clinical difference then a new ‘strain’ of virus has emerged. Prior knowledge of viral mutation shows they usually evolve to become less deadly and more transmissible.13 This optimises their chance of spreading, as dead hosts tend not to spread viruses, and very ill hosts have reduced mobility and thus limit contact with others.14

Or this short piece:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/05/13/boris-confirms-nothing-is-ruled-out-in-responding-to-indian-variant-how-worried-should-we-be/

Look forward to your next bout of gaslighting LP.

You have the full repertoire no question, lacking in execution perhaps....

Meanwhile, over in VAERS territory, deaths have now exceeded 5000.

Noting the level of under reporting/non reporting is massive.

A few simple graphs - nothing to see here. Carry on.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3046 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
A few simple graphs - nothing to see here. Carry on
Credibility is lost @Flyboy77 the moment those pseudo reports start quoting worthless VAERS data.

More and more people now know that like the UK Yellow Card system VAERS is a system of voluntary reporting, anybody can file a report even it seems the dead, insane or a cadre of anti-vaxxers!

Quoting VAERS and using it's data as the basis for an argument is like asking an anti-vaxxer for an unbiased opinion on hypodermics! ;D

It's interesting to to do some research on what asymptomatic and super spreader events really mean, the area of branching maths covers this network phenomenon and it's important to note that the worst case comes from moderate levels of infectivity and transmission. It seems to suggest that at either end of the extreme, very low or very high transmission will result in a disease that dies out, and it relates to the timing of infection. This seems to be common sense, a patient has to be infectious enough to transmit but not so infectious that they are detected very quickly before they can move too far. With adults and children the variation in shedding virus can be significant, several orders of magnitude with the worst being 1,000,000x more shedding than the least. It truly seems the worst case is the moderately infectious spreader who escapes scrutiny for an extended period and continues to move through society.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3047 –
Are you suggesting anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers would flood a reporting system to push their agenda as they’re doing with Google reviews & the like?
Business blacklisted and hit with scathing reviews over Covid stance, The Age
Can’t have business owners abide by the law now can we?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3048 –
Yeadon, a hero of the anti-vaxxers, builds many of his claims on a single false premise, which he repeats ad nauseam.

That false premise is that someone with a high enough viral load to be contagious and shed virus as a super spreader would be too sick to work or circulate in society. I believe he has made that claim in all his main videos, of which there are several versions of the same subject, although I have not personally watched all of them to confirm that.

This concept of someone with a high viral load being too sick to spread disease is the base false premise on which nearly all his other spurious claims such as the infamous "fade away of the pandemic" are based.

Melbourne delivery driver says hello! :o

None of his supporters question the allegation that the pandemic lockdown might have cost Yeadon and his team as much as an estimated EU$430M, because the lockdown delayed trials of a drug his group had been involved in inventing, a drug to treat eczema. That delay allegedly resulted in the R&D contract expiring before the drug's benchmarks were reached, benchmarks that would have seen him paid in full. Other commentators claim the trials were already showing failed results, and his product wouldn't have made the benchmark anyway because it's efficacy was poor. Bad luck for him, bad luck for his investors, another failed bet, but this is no reason for him to burn down the house to try and save a scrap of his reputation. I suppose if this is true, he and his consortium can always go and sell his new drug in Brazil, maybe he should sell that to his investors!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3049 –
I just want to point out, that for an extremely infectious virus and pandemic prompting roughly 5 months worth of lockdowns and restrictions to life in Melbourne our virus numbers and threat doesn't quite measure up 1.5 years into this.

Thats not to say that covid isn't a killer, but the reaction may not be commensurate with the threat said virus poses.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3050 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I just want to point out, that for an extremely infectious virus and pandemic prompting roughly 5 months worth of lockdowns and restrictions to life in Melbourne our virus numbers and threat doesn't quite measure up 1.5 years into this.

Thats not to say that covid isn't a killer, but the reaction may not be commensurate with the threat said virus poses.
Unfortunately, I think the actions and reactions are a function of the behaviour of the virus and the behaviour of society.

Melbourne is has become a bit notorious in the anti-vaxxer / anti-masker stakes, and that sort of socialist behaviour (almost social fascism) is highlighted by the post from @Mav
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3051 –
Quote from: LP on
Unfortunately, I think the actions and reactions are a function of the behaviour of the virus and the behaviour of society.

Melbourne is has become a bit notorious in the anti-vaxxer / anti-masker stakes.

Even so that would mean covid should be running riot and it isn't.  Im hearing people who initially took this very seriously turn around and scoff at it now.

For the most part they make valid observations.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3052 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Even so that would mean covid should be running riot and it isn't.  Im hearing people who initially took this very seriously turn around and scoff at it now.

For the most part they make valid observations.
@Thryleon‍ isn't that a confusion of cause and effect, the observation must fit the order of real world events?

I hear a lot of people hurting, but it's not easy to say who must pay the price for this, who volunteers, it seems 'the they' always want to blame the other.

But just as "We are Carlton", ............... "We are Melbourne" and "We are Australia", our current circumstance is a compounding of Federal, State and Social issues.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3053 –
We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3054 –
Quote from: Mav on
We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.
Yes, but uncontrolled is the critical term, in fairness to @Thryleon‍ it's fair to question the amplitude of the Victorian response as long as we get the order and magnitude of events correct.

I note there are aspects of the anti-lockdown debate that get the cause and effect and amplitude of viral transmission wrong, and that can be critical in assessing what level of action is necessary. The problem being of course that the Sars-CoV-2 R0 remains substantial and well beyond influenza or other commonly experienced viral infections. If you release restrictions, Sars-CoV-2 is not like Influenza, Sars-Cov_2 is far far worse. It only appears like Influenza at the moment because of the restrictions, not in spite of them!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3055 –
But we can’t be too cute in trying to pare back the controls to the bone. Better to be too tough than too lenient. I’m sure there are people who would say that lockdowns weren’t really needed to address the rising body count in Victoria. Maybe we just needed to ramp up contact tracing and stand 2m apart rather than 1.5m.

The deficiency in contact tracing has been demonstrated by this latest outbreak. Covid was spiking but the carriers hadn’t tested positive or sought medical treatment. Contact tracers had nothing to trace.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3056 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I just want to point out, that for an extremely infectious virus and pandemic prompting roughly 5 months worth of lockdowns and restrictions to life in Melbourne our virus numbers and threat doesn't quite measure up 1.5 years into this.

Thats not to say that covid isn't a killer, but the reaction may not be commensurate with the threat said virus poses.
Fair points Thry, and as you would know well it's not like hospital ER's and ICU's are full of Covid or respitory illness patients at the minute.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3058 –
Quote from: LP on
@ElwoodBlues1‍ is that as a result of or in spite of lockdown?
All I know is that it's just normal business in those areas, lockdown always reduces road and workplace accidents as you would expect.
Re: Contact tracing... NSW use trained health care staff to supervise and conduct strategy with most of their tracing teams.As you would expect when there is a measles outbreak those cases are traced and hence you need a level of health care experience when questioning and asking about symptoms etc. NSW have resourced these areas better and hence have the better system.
Victoria cut funding a while back and don't have enough trained health care staff.When the pandemic hit we were under manned and couldn't cope,paying peanuts means monkeys and the Vic Government have dropped the ball on contact tracing with its under resourcing.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3059 –
Quote from: Mav on
We had nigh on 800 deaths in Victoria before it was brought under control by lockdowns and the like. The UK, US and most recently India show what uncontrolled spread can do.

Even without covid 99% of them would be dead by now. It's the same as the vaccine blood clot argument.
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