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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3465 –
I’m sure every case related to adverse reactions and Covid infections is awful.

For instance, here’s one concerning a mother of a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after enduring long-Covid for 13 months: Dawson’s Creek writer Heidi Ferrer takes her own life after battling ‘long COVID’, 7News.

How bad would it have to be for a mother of a teen to suicide?
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3466 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
The type that the risk assessing folk in government, (who according to LP are human and are very poor at assessing risk) are notching down as 1 in how many LP?
@Thryleon‍ Nobody is diminishing the severity of the situation, and how painful this is.

But you write and post like the flipside of this action is a rainbow of happy outcomes, when in reality in some cases there will only be degrees of suffering!

Alysa's case is valid in the context of the warning @Mav‍ offered about social media, it is too easily used and manipulated to discourage people from being vaccinated without discussing the risk of not being vaccinated. These are perfect examples of a logical fallacy / false equivalence.

The flipside of not being vaccinated to reduce the risk of a vaccine side-effect, is not guaranteed long lived happiness, in fact the risk of a bad outcome from not being vaccinated is greater.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3467 –
Quote from: Mav on
I’m sure every case related to adverse reactions and Covid infections is awful.

For instance, here’s one concerning a mother of a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after enduring long-Covid for 13 months: Dawson’s Creek writer Heidi Ferrer takes her own life after battling ‘long COVID’, 7News.

How bad would it have to be for a mother of a teen to suicide?
US Health officials are now saying 30% of all COVID-19 cases, mild, severe or asymptomatic, will experience some form of long COVID-19 illness. It's the big price of not being vaccinated and trying on the naturally earned herd immunity that the media and social media are not discussing.

Some EU block countries that went down the natural herd immunity path, are now heading for a long term national health train wreck. Ironically they have started pumping vaccine into citizens on the premise that giving vaccination after an infection reduces the effects of long Covid-19, but that is unproven. Is that a bet we really want to take while waiting for the gift horse to arrive?

As an aside; Zerafa was right to protect his elderly entourage, Tszyu is the fool manipulating the circumstance, and the NSW Minister who slighted Zerafa for wanting to delay the Newcastle fight until the current COVID situation stabilised is a dead set moron!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3468 –
The hardest pill to swallow are the "health professionals" ... by and large, they're effin' useless.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT, NSW .... rubbish promoted nobodies.  Bitter of me but I don't care

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3469 –
Quote from: capcom on
The hardest pill to swallow are the "health professionals" ... by and large, they're effin' useless.

SA, QLD, VIC, NT, NSW .... rubbish promoted nobodies.  Bitter of me but I don't care
I've heard it stated that it is a bit like if your no good with money work in a bank! The assertion being that some Health Bureaucrats are failed researchers or specialists that got out of the hands on stuff and entered administration, the next step for some being entering politics. Note I said "some", it cannot be used to generalise.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3470 –
Quote from: LP on
@Thryleon‍ Nobody is diminishing the severity of the situation, and how painful this is.

But you write and post like the flipside of this action is a rainbow of happy outcomes, when in reality in some cases there will only be degrees of suffering!

Alysa's case is valid in the context of the warning @Mav‍ offered about social media, it is too easily used and manipulated to discourage people from being vaccinated without discussing the risk of not being vaccinated. These are perfect examples of a logical fallacy / false equivalence.

The flipside of not being vaccinated to reduce the risk of a vaccine side-effect, is not guaranteed long lived happiness, in fact the risk of a bad outcome from not being vaccinated is greater.

I dont know if you can prove I have written anything of the sort, but from memory I dont believe i have made that assertion.

If anything the inverse is true and you can apply that one at yourself.  You seem to think that the vaccine movement is fine, and there is not one bad outcome to be had, and that they are statistically outliers.  The thing is, you can manipulate the data to show this, and we both know that.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3471 –
Quote from: Mav on
I’m sure every case related to adverse reactions and Covid infections is awful.

For instance, here’s one concerning a mother of a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after enduring long-Covid for 13 months: Dawson’s Creek writer Heidi Ferrer takes her own life after battling ‘long COVID’, 7News.

How bad would it have to be for a mother of a teen to suicide?

Am I discouraging anyone from taking a vaccine and chancing COVID?

I think you will find, that I am looking at AZ here, and sharing one story about someone who is currently a stroke survivor, and who's life will equally debilitated by the adverse reaction she had.

This is to show that AZ potentially does what COVID did to this lady.  Will Pfizer?  Will the numbers show the same thing?  Are the numbers and data and risk assesments regarding these things even remotely the same?   Are the same numbers about the adverse reactions to COVID as reliable as the initial estimates regarding the number of COVID positive patients requiring hospitilisation, requiring ECMO, requiring life support and an ICU bed?

Or, is it possible that all the data is unreliable?

I dont have answers.  I only have questions and like you say, dont believe everything you read on a forum. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3473 –
^^

Ill show you mine if you show me yours (I have deliberately modified this confirmation to protect my and my employers identity:

CAUTION: This email is from outside of  XXXXXHealth. Only open attachments and click on links that you are expecting.
  

Dear Thryleon,
 
You’ve recently changed your COVID-19 Vaccination booking appointment.
 
Here is your updated bookings.
 
Your appointment summary
 
 
TXXXXXXXXXXXXXs
06-Jul-2021 10:48 AM
XXXXXXX Hospital Pfizer, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX VIC, XXXX.
 
        
 
Your QR Code
 
On the day of your appointment, you should bring this email (on your phone or printed). This may be used to check you in.
 
 
 
 
 
You may be asked to provide proof of identity, occupation or household membership to demonstrate your eligibility before you receive your vaccination.
 
 
Important information about COVID-19 vaccines
 
Based on the latest health advice you will get a COVID-19 vaccine based on your age. If you are 60 years or over you will get the AstraZeneca vaccine. If you are aged under 60 years you will get the Pfizer vaccine. 

You should wait at least 7 days between a dose of the COVID-19 vaccine and a dose of any other vaccine.

You should speak to your doctor if you have questions about your health and COVID-19 vaccines. You can also call the Victorian Coronavirus hotline on 1800 675 398.

You cannot attend a vaccination booking, if within 14 days of your appointment, you or a close contact develop symptoms, are exposed to a possible case of COVID-19, are awaiting a test result or are told to isolate or get tested.

What to bring with you to your appointment?
•   ID such as a passport or drivers licence to show your age.
•   Proof of your eligibility such as an employee ID card, NDIS number, or carers documentation
•   A Medicare card or Individual Healthcare Identifier, if you have one
•   A face mask
Need to change your appointment?
 
Simply log on to the COVID-19 booking portal and click on 'I need to change my vaccine appointment' to make any changes to your booking or call the Victorian Coronavirus hotline on 1800 675 398. If you need an interpreter, call the Victorian Coronavirus Hotline on 1800 675 398 and press 0.
 
Questions?
 
You should speak to your doctor if you have questions about your health and COVID-19 vaccines.
 
For more information on the COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Victoria view the Australian Government's COVID-19 vaccination program website.
 
Thank you for helping keep Victoria COVIDSafe.
 
Regards,
COVID-19 Vaccination Team.
 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3474 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
^^

Ill show you mine if you show me yours (I have deliberately modified this confirmation to protect my and my employers identity:

CAUTION: This email is from outside of  XXXXXHealth. Only open attachments and click on links that you are expecting.
  

Dear Thryleon,
 
You’ve recently changed your COVID-19 Vaccination booking appointment.
 
Here is your updated bookings.
 
Your appointment summary
 
 
TXXXXXXXXXXXXXs
06-Jul-2021 10:48 AM
XXXXXXX Hospital Pfizer, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX VIC, XXXX.
 
        
 
Your QR Code
 
On the day of your appointment, you should bring this email (on your phone or printed). This may be used to check you in.
 
 
 
 
 
You may be asked to provide proof of identity, occupation or household membership to demonstrate your eligibility before you receive your vaccination.
 
 
Important information about COVID-19 vaccines
 
Based on the latest health advice you will get a COVID-19 vaccine based on your age. If you are 60 years or over you will get the AstraZeneca vaccine. If you are aged under 60 years you will get the Pfizer vaccine. 

You should wait at least 7 days between a dose of the COVID-19 vaccine and a dose of any other vaccine.

You should speak to your doctor if you have questions about your health and COVID-19 vaccines. You can also call the Victorian Coronavirus hotline on 1800 675 398.

You cannot attend a vaccination booking, if within 14 days of your appointment, you or a close contact develop symptoms, are exposed to a possible case of COVID-19, are awaiting a test result or are told to isolate or get tested.

What to bring with you to your appointment?
•   ID such as a passport or drivers licence to show your age.
•   Proof of your eligibility such as an employee ID card, NDIS number, or carers documentation
•   A Medicare card or Individual Healthcare Identifier, if you have one
•   A face mask
Need to change your appointment?
 
Simply log on to the COVID-19 booking portal and click on 'I need to change my vaccine appointment' to make any changes to your booking or call the Victorian Coronavirus hotline on 1800 675 398. If you need an interpreter, call the Victorian Coronavirus Hotline on 1800 675 398 and press 0.
 
Questions?
 
You should speak to your doctor if you have questions about your health and COVID-19 vaccines.
 
For more information on the COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Victoria view the Australian Government's COVID-19 vaccination program website.
 
Thank you for helping keep Victoria COVIDSafe.
 
Regards,
COVID-19 Vaccination Team.
 


I got the same shpeel when I booked my AZ. Word for word.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3475 –
Good to see they're changing their language:

Quote
The TGA has received and reviewed 335 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that two were definitely linked to vaccination.

The other 333 were mere coincidence!

Only an extra 17 dead this week.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-01-07-2021
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3477 –
@ElwoodBlues1

A lot of "Don't you know who I am?" in that.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3478 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
https://au.news.yahoo.com/woman-dies-first-dose-of-astra-zeneca-vaccine-064532651.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

...the woman had another very serious and recent underlying health condition, and UK authorities have ordered a post-mortem to assess whether this condition, along with the impact of long plane and car travel from Australia to the UK, had a role in her death...

Serious underlying health issues and boards a long haul flight after AZ vaccination!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3479 –
69 cases of TTS from 4.8M doses. That's pretty low risk IMO. Still limited information coming to us about pre existing illnesses, health status etc. of the unlucky 69. To my reading, those numbers don't indicate that we should forego the vaccine and choose a White King Frappe instead. There's definitely a risk, but there is with anything in life, even the Pfizer. It's a major problem IMO that big numbers of AZ doses are being wasted when way too many in developing countries don't have any vaccines at all.