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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3630
There aren't any significant policy or leadership differences between NSW and Victoria. They both used hotels for quarantine, they both used private security firms to monitor those hotels. It could have gone t1ts up just as easily in NSW. Most of the Victorian deaths are still aged care related. Dan at the very least tried to be proactive, and get on the front foot to tackle it head on, rather than the wait-and-see approach in NSW.

At any rate, covid is far from over, and in the final analysis it could look very different to what it does now.
The NSW Health department have the learnings from the Vic outbreak and the treatment of Vic patients, so we would hope the outcomes are better, but given the reluctance to force restrictions, or the NSW Public reluctance to comply, it seems the beneficial outcome from that previous experience will be marginal at best. When you read the public commentary in NSW, they still are in denial, it's hard to believe.

Very early in the 1st outbreak, the UK Health Dept publicly stated the biggest problem would be long term compliance of the public, this was their experience from the various wars that imposed restrictions and constraints on the activities of the general public, people can be expected to comply for a few weeks or a couple of months, but after that complacency and wilful disobedience set in.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3632
If you drill down further and further as you examine the spread of covid, you eventually reach the point where the lack of preparedness in most countries is a result of decades of neoliberal ideology.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3633
There aren't any significant policy or leadership differences between NSW and Victoria. They both used hotels for quarantine, they both used private security firms to monitor those hotels. It could have gone t1ts up just as easily in NSW. Most of the Victorian deaths are still aged care related. Dan at the very least tried to be proactive, and get on the front foot to tackle it head on, rather than the wait-and-see approach in NSW.

At any rate, covid is far from over, and in the final analysis it could look very different to what it does now.
I thought NSW utilised Army personal during the first cruise ship outbreak that was offered as opposed to private security.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3634
Love it! SloMo’s vaccine strollout (this isn’t a race, after all :) 
Too many politicians live by the mantra if you do nothing you can't be blamed for making a mistake, but this is one case where doing nothing is the biggest mistake of all!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3635
If you drill down further and further as you examine the spread of covid, you eventually reach the point where the lack of preparedness in most countries is a result of decades of neoliberal ideology.
And in regard to far more issues than just the pandemic! ;D

Let the bastards be bastards, because bastards do not survive, except they may take a shizen load of the rest of us with them!

Small government should not be conflated with no government.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3636
I thought NSW utilised Army personal during the first cruise ship outbreak that was offered as opposed to private security.

Not sure GTC. They probably mixed and matched, maybe the ADF didn't want to do it long term. I can't really remember.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3637
Not sure GTC. They probably mixed and matched, maybe the ADF didn't want to do it long term. I can't really remember.
Im only going by recollection, I recall Andrews being criticised for refusing ADF assistance whilst the other states like NSW did accept.
2017-16th
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2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3638
Im only going by recollection, I recall Andrews being criticised for refusing ADF assistance whilst the other states like NSW did.

I'm not sure. The offical inquiry into the Victorian government covid response seemed to indicate a communication breakdown and a breakdown in the chain of command wrt to the ADF/no ADF debate. This is one of those things that is drawn along political lines, and i don't really want go there. It just ends up as a to and fro that goes nowhere.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3639
My son plays footy with a State MP's son, who said  the country wants & needs NSW to sort this out - offered no blame except to say NSW didn't have to learn some of the things that Vic did, which are now causing NSW problems. Also with some population vaccinated (particularly elderly) that will give some protection, so hopefully hospitalisation and death rates are reduced.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3640
We had hundreds die in Victoria at the peak of the original CoVid19 outbreak and there are conflicting reports of the Delta being more or less deadly and I think its going to be important going forward to see if this version is indeed more deadly or the virus while spreading at a greater rate is killing as many people. Hopefully the mutations will make it weaker and we have less fatalities and learn a bit more, as for Gladys she has been caught on the fence playing popularity politics vs an extreme lockdown.....no real middle ground for her. We can really only judge her when this outbreak is controlled and the number of fatalities.
The difference between her and Dan to me is the lack of ownership from Dan with regard the quarantine debacle where he botched the security and then lied about who was responsible afterwards. But that is old news and I hope the people of NSW dont have the same numbers of fatalities we did, my wife has a lot of her family in NSW and I hope Gladys gets her act together and does a better job than Dan initially did and learns from where we went wrong in Victoria.
Its not a contest we just dont want to see NSW suffer like we did in Victoria and keep their fatalities to a minimum.

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3641
Im only going by recollection, I recall Andrews being criticised for refusing ADF assistance whilst the other states like NSW did accept.

He simply couldn't recall in his testimony ... so of course, not guilty. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3642
I'm not sure. The offical inquiry into the Victorian government covid response seemed to indicate a communication breakdown and a breakdown in the chain of command wrt to the ADF/no ADF debate. This is one of those things that is drawn along political lines, and i don't really want go there. It just ends up as a to and fro that goes nowhere.
Communication breakdown, Is that what they call it they days? All that crapfull enquiry uncovered was how rampant amnesia is in the Labour Party. Disgraceful.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3643
Communication breakdown, Is that what they call it they days? All that crapfull enquiry uncovered was how rampant amnesia is in the Labour Party. Disgraceful.

Like I said, people see it through party lines. If you're anti-Labor, then it was a farce, cover up etc. He was trying to organise a state-wide covid policy in some crazy time frame (36 hours I think I read somewhere), with Lord knows how many minions to instruct, how many of those that you need to rely on to do their job, how many decisions that need to be signed off etc.

The awful death toll could have easily happened elsewhere.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3644
A lot of people love dancing on graves, don’t they? Just watch them get outraged when we criticise Gladys over deaths in NSW. Then they’ll be saying we’re so horrible for dancing on graves.