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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4770 –
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/rise-of-self-harm-mental-health-services-covid-pandemic/100305640

This article is from July this year. For Victoria, NSW, and Queensland, rates of suicide have not increased since the start of the pandemic. There have been increases in calls to mental support services, and increase in attempts to self harm.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4771 –
A lot has happened since July Paul.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4773 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Stop talking out of your arse.
Really?

July was 4 weeks ago.

The fact remains a Pandemic pushes everyone into distress at varying degrees, absolutely.

Anyway not going to continue to talk about it for reasons said earlier.  Just because anecdotally you’ve heard of this person or that person, doesn’t mean it’s more due only to being in a lockdown.

We have someone close to our family attempt - 17yo. Thankfully found in time, he had prior mental health conditions and has now been diagnosed with one and getting the help needed.  That was between lockdowns.

Anyway as I said earlier I don’t want to distress anyone so would prefer not to keep talking about it save to say the world has changed in the past 18months and that’s unsettling to me, and I suspect everyone.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4774 –
I'll leave this with you - if you think anything will change with 70% or 80% vaxx rates.

My 8yo can assist with interpreting the numbers.



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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4775 –
Quote from: PaulP on
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-20/rise-of-self-harm-mental-health-services-covid-pandemic/100305640

This article is from July this year. For Victoria, NSW, and Queensland, rates of suicide have not increased since the start of the pandemic. There have been increases in calls to mental support services, and increase in attempts to self harm.

Can't comment about the suicide rate (haven't seen data) but I have heard first hand anecdotal stories from paramedics.

Self harm - a clear, well defined precursor to suicide - often a 6 to 18 month lag, is off the charts. And some....

That comes from a very high up dude I know in a very high up place.

So we have a choice here - open up and a few vulnerable types will get very ill and a fewer number again may die (and by all means get vaxxed if you want to - all power to you)

OR

do what we are doing & sacrifice a generation of kids (and see many more deaths).

Destroy pretty much all small business and bump the domestic/familial violence stats skyward.

The choice is clear.

Don't be a bed wetter.

ps if certain people want to lock themselves behind doors on an ongoing basis, knock yourself out. Freedom of choice!

Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #4776 –
Discussed this before and I will concur with Fly on the Paramedics stories, we have Paramedic connections in the family and both have said callouts for mental health issues related to CoVid are high. As I have said before only if a patient is admitted to hospital do they become a statistic so unsuccessful suicides who recover on location for example wont make the stat sheets.
Even the ambulance crews are drug tested more due to the stress levels and nursing is a profession that has always had its problems with addictions and that has also got worse during CoVid.
The TV series Nurse Jackie was entertaining but the bottom line was she was on the gear and getting it from inhouse sources.....whoever wrote that show wasnt making it up and our frontline heathcare workers are strung out with CoVid and we are going to lose some of the best in the business thanks to the lack of Government support and I suspect its the same in most States.

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Reply #4777 –
This is a pretty touchy subject, and I think we need to tread carefully.

Anecdotal stories have their place, but they are not a substitute for a good sample space of tabulated data that enables us to see the bigger picture, the broad societal trends. Until such information is forthcoming, I suggest we park the anecdotal fallacies, and the Appeal to Authority fallacy, and pause for a moment.

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Reply #4778 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Can't comment about the suicide rate (haven't seen data) but I have heard first hand anecdotal stories from paramedics.

Self harm - a clear, well defined precursor to suicide - often a 6 to 18 month lag, is off the charts. And some.... What!

That comes from a very high up dude I know in a very high up place. Jesus?

So we have a choice here - open up and a few vulnerable types will get very ill and a fewer number again may die (and by all means get vaxxed if you want to - all power to you)

OR

do what we are doing & sacrifice a generation of kids (and see many more deaths).

Destroy pretty much all small business and bump the domestic/familial violence stats skyward.

The choice is clear.

Don't be a bed wetter.

ps if certain people want to lock themselves behind doors on an ongoing basis, knock yourself out. Freedom of choice!


Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4779 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on

Self harm - a clear, well defined precursor to suicide - often a 6 to 18 month lag, is off the charts. And some....


An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4780 –
Quote from: PaulP on
This is a pretty touchy subject, and I think we need to tread carefully.

Anecdotal stories have their place, but they are not a substitute for a good sample space of tabulated data that enables us to see the bigger picture, the broad societal trends. Until such information is forthcoming, I suggest we park the anecdotal fallacies, and the Appeal to Authority fallacy, and pause for a moment.
I'd have a bit more faith in the anecdotal stories from real people at the coalface than the selective Govt stats.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/paramedics-have-one-of-australias-most-dangerous-jobs/12872962

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Reply #4781 –
Quote from: Baggers on
An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

Why is that irresponsible? Was I making light of the problem? Quite the contrary.

Did I say every instance of A leads to B?

Of course it depends on the individual circumstances.

And if a mod considers it should be taken down, we'll I'll accept that without question.

And you can illuminate me can you?

As you've said to me often enough, do I care what you think?

 I think my source has illuminated me well enough thanks.
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4782 –
By the by, for the bed wetting society who says we can't open up because Armageddon..ala Dan's dopey Burnet modelling.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions

And the UK has had well over 30k cases a day for weeks now.

Let's say an average of 35000 cases....

Or here:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4783 –
https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw-premier-covid-vaccine-boosters-needed-annually-064431477.html
In the USA which is mainly a Pfizer vaccinated population Boosters are being recommended at 8 months so anyone here in Aus who was was part off the early vaccination process will probably need another in a couple of months.
Without Boosters we will be right back where we started and I think the Govt will have trouble selling the idea thats its the same deal as your ordinary flu shot which is aimed at the 65 plus age group.
We also need more data and testing with regards Boosters and their side effects etc, its a long way from over even with high Vaccination rates and IMO the important stat will be maintaining high vaccination rates and how to get the vaccinated to return at the same levels every 8-12 months.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4784 –
And to round the story out, here's the UK death numbers....

Loose numbers 175 death a day in UK from people 'with' CV19.

Average age circa 80+ (but I need to firm that up).
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