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I don’t really agree with this sort of site, it can be a continuation of the division that has dominated politics (and seemingly life) for the past 10-15 years, admin feel free to chop it if you desire.

There was talk earlier about anti vaxers who had met their match in COVID…

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

 For instance, breakthrough infections are hardly surprising amongst double-jabbed 80 year olds as they only have the immunity of an unvaccinated 50 year old.

Wow!  I did not know that.  Let's hope a few stiff whiskys will kick my immune system along.

Interesting article in the SMH: The truth about what vaccines are achieving, from a country getting it right
The opening 2 paragraphs and the last paragraph are:

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By now you’ve probably heard Scott Morrison’s argument, which goes something like this: Australia can’t yet talk about a post-pandemic future because we still don’t know whether vaccines guarantee a return to normality.

To illustrate the point, the Prime Minister regularly notes COVID-19 cases are climbing in Britain even though 85 per cent of all adults have been given one dose of a vaccine and 62 per cent the full two.

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The Prime Minister is entitled to defend his strategy. But he also has an obligation to not cherry pick the facts about a vaccination program far more successful than his own.

It makes these points:

• Infections were always going to increase as the UK came out of lockdown.
• While infections are up, deaths are much lower than previously for comparable cases.
• Of the 92,000 people infected with the Delta variant since Feb, only 7.8% involve those who were double vaccinated.
• Nobody in England aged under 50 and double jabbed has died from the Delta variant this year.
• It’s believed the vaccines have prevented about 7 million from being infected.

The fact that the double vaccinated are still being infected and some are dying is due to the vulnerability of older people:
David Spiegelhalter, the chair of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at Cambridge, and Anthony Masters, a statistical ambassador for the Royal Statistical Society, have a simple explanation for why so many fully vaccinated people died: the vaccines are not perfect and older people will always be at most risk.

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“The risk of dying from COVID-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap,” they wrote in The Guardian. “This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 – much lower, but still [it’s] not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths.”

This highlights the need to vaccinate the workers at aged care centres as well as the residents.

Appearing on the ABC’s 7.30 last night, Professor Sarah Gilbert said that while “there may be a first booster program … I wouldn’t expect it to happen every single year”.
“We’re going to develop long-term immunity to this virus. I think that the most vulnerable, the oldest members of society, those who are immunocompromised are going to need regular boosters,” she added.
“But for younger people, we normally see good maintenance of immune responses.”
While the Pfizer vaccine offers slightly higher protection following a second dose compared to AstraZeneca, studies have found its protection fades faster.

But you're back slapping people here saying suicide is not up based on numbers from before our current lockdown? Are you that politically bias or that stupid?

EDWARD MILLS CAME to the meeting last month with very good data. A clinical trials expert at McMaster University, Mills was presenting new results from a trial that is looking at how well half a dozen different drugs treat Covid-19—not for the people so sick they’re in the emergency room or the hospital, but in people whose symptoms haven’t gotten that bad yet. People sick at home, in other words.

At his online talk, put on by the National Institutes of Health, Mills’ slides told the tale: A relatively safe, familiar, cheap drug reduced the relative risk of mild Covid getting worse by nearly 30 percent. The drug is fluvoxamine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor—an antidepressant. (It’s also an anti-inflammatory, and inflammation and an overreacting immune system are hallmarks of serious Covid infection, so that might be why it seems to help).

But political activists didn’t turn metformin into a rhetorical tool; ivermectin has stans so aggressive they make Gamergaters seem chill. Mills says he and his colleagues have been abused and threatened by ivermectin adherents; the trial designers even went through the rigorous process of changing the dosage administered to comport better to the fans’ preferred regimen of three days instead of just one. “We tested, what, seven other drugs? Nobody abuses us about the other drugs. We even showed one of them worked,” Mills tells me. His team touted positive results for fluvoxamine, “and that crowd doesn’t seem to care. If you ask them, ‘Why do you feel so strongly about ivermectin?’ they will say, ‘Because we feel there should be a cheap, effective drug that can be used by poor people.’ OK, well, we have that. We have it with fluvoxamine, and with inhaled budesonide. Why do they not care about those drugs? They don’t have an answer. They just want to talk about ivermectin.”

I wonder if we will see it here before the end of the year.

NOVAVAX: A “Traditional” VACCINE for COVID-19 soon to be released?
https://youtu.be/DcZIcRCKgss

Novavax is having trouble with funding , production and sourcing of materials. There is another rumour I read that the Government
might have pulled its part of the funding and some are suggesting Pfizer execs might have leaned on the Govt to delay Novavax entering the market.