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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6886 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
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Stop fear mongering.

Its not helpful.  Covid isnt just a cold, but it is comparable to the sniffles now.  Its over, lets get on with it.



The ten folk who passed away in Victoria over the last 24 hours would probably disagree ... if they could!

The 32 folk in ICU and nearly 200 in hospital would probably disagree too.

Our local greengrocer and my niece’s husband definitely disagree.

Then there’s the medical and scientific community 🙄
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6887 –
Quote from: DJC on
The ten folk who passed away in Victoria over the last 24 hours would probably disagree ... if they could!

The 32 folk in ICU and nearly 200 in hospital would probably disagree too.

Our local greengrocer and my niece’s husband definitely disagree.

Then there’s the medical and scientific community 🙄

Whats the answer then?

Hide indoors, locked away doing nothing?

We have all gotten vaccinated.  We are all still wearing masks in public. 

When we lost my dad back in 2005, we all declared that life was precious and you shouldnt take a minute for granted because it might be the last minute you get to spend with your loved ones.  Two years on, we are now in a position where we are adequately protected to get on with it and with the knowledge that the majority of people will be perfectly fine, but these statistics you quote, and these cases LP point to aren't necessarily people who are in hospital because of covid, and (I would know because I saw it up close and personal for the last couple of years) and many of the people I know who are aged, vulnerable, vaccinated, AND got COVID, are still alive and kicking quite happily.

COVID isnt the threat everyone told you it was.  Sorry to burst your bubble.



The sooner you all come to terms with the fact that its a matter of when not if, and the fact that when you do it, the odds are overwhelmingly stacked in favour of a perfectly fine recovery and minimal symptoms, the better you will feel about it.

The numbers arent worth talking about, the world is very much ok with COVID, and our infections are not that high considering the trains are full again.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6888 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
^^

Stop fear mongering.

Its not helpful.  Covid isnt just a cold, but it is comparable to the sniffles now.  Its over, lets get on with it.
How can I be fear mongering when I'm commenting on stuff that is making front page headlines across all states?

It's being discussed in mainstream media like it's something new and something to be feared. Well it is something to be cautious about, but it's nothing new, it's the reality of COVID from day one that the denialists have largely disregarded and disrespected.

Fools will listen to those who are sprouting the "It's the sniffles" spin and go about their lives ignorant of a real world real life risk.

Omicron is neither benevolent or selective, if you think you can be oblivious and indignant towards it then you are probably just setting yourself up for a horrible surprise. Continue to be vigilant, continue to be careful, continue to be observant, do not be complacent, it may save your own or somebody else's life!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6889 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Whats the answer then?

Hide indoors, locked away doing nothing?

We have all gotten vaccinated.  We are all still wearing masks in public.
Well, the answer isn't becoming an Ostrich, it's not wise to sprint off across a mostly grassy paddock when you know it's has land mines!

That's the problem, when people start up with the "It's the sniffles" bullsh1t people think that masks and social distancing are no longer needed, and that is an attitude that can and probably will cost someone somewhere their health!

The smart thing is to be as cynical about the "let it rip" mentality as the anti-vaxxers continue to be about the vaccines, because those two assertions come from the very same root!

There plenty of ways to get on with life, but nobody ever stated you could just go back to "the way we were", except maybe Barbara Striesand!
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6890 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Whats the answer then?

Hide indoors, locked away doing nothing?

We have all gotten vaccinated.  We are all still wearing masks in public. 

When we lost my dad back in 2005, we all declared that life was precious and you shouldnt take a minute for granted because it might be the last minute you get to spend with your loved ones.  Two years on, we are now in a position where we are adequately protected to get on with it and with the knowledge that the majority of people will be perfectly fine, but these statistics you quote, and these cases LP point to aren't necessarily people who are in hospital because of covid, and (I would know because I saw it up close and personal for the last couple of years) and many of the people I know who are aged, vulnerable, vaccinated, AND got COVID, are still alive and kicking quite happily.

COVID isnt the threat everyone told you it was.  Sorry to burst your bubble.



The sooner you all come to terms with the fact that its a matter of when not if, and the fact that when you do it, the odds are overwhelmingly stacked in favour of a perfectly fine recovery and minimal symptoms, the better you will feel about it.

The numbers arent worth talking about, the world is very much ok with COVID, and our infections are not that high considering the trains are full again.

I agree with most of that Thry, although public transport use remains at around one third of pre-pandemic levels, and COVID is definitely the threat that we feared; 6M deaths worldwide (and we know that figure is grossly understated and global excess deaths could be as much as 24M - see https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00104-8#correction-0).

I think that contracting COVID is inevitable and, with luck, vaccination and no underlying compromising conditions, it should be a relatively mild illness.  However, there are exceptions and some folk I know have been very ill.  Then there's long COVID and the increased risk of heart problems and strokes. 

It all seems to be going according to the modelling, with the exception of the Delta variant that caught everyone unawares.  Another curve ball could be heading our way or we could be dealing with another seasonal flu-like illness ... with complications.  Of course, that's just us with our relatively sophisticated health and governance systems.  It's a different kettle of fish in other parts of the world. 

It's also interesting to look at the Australian median death rates by ethnicity.  Some groups in our country are being hit much harder.  That could be down to socio-economic factors or cultural/religious attitudes to vaccination and/or medical treatment.  I don't think that it could be different population demographics, but it could be.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6891 –
Quote from: DJC on
It's also interesting to look at the Australian median death rates by ethnicity.  Some groups in our country are being hit much harder.  That could be down to socio-economic factors or cultural/religious attitudes to vaccination and/or medical treatment. I don't think that it could be different population demographics, but it could be.
It seems to be the driver of quite a lot of the dissent.

I listened to an RN report last week that claimed it's deliberately leveraged in social media by groups that have less then genuine motives.

The silly thing is, the tell that the social media spin is bullcrap is the number of wealthy people popping off the planet due either directly to COVID or potentially to a COVID related comorbidity. It's happening front page right before the publics eyes, and it makes a mockery of all the conspiracy theories that a rooted in socio-economic or ethnicity prejudice.

COVID is not wealthy white individuals manipulating your life and wellbeing for profit, Sars-CoV-2 is neither racist or bigoted, it's harming or killing everyone equally, it's killing the wealthy too!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6892 –
The point of the governmental warnings over the new subvariant is to persuade people to get the booster. The booster offers much more protection against Omicron but the "it's just the sniffles" talk helps to drive down the demand for the booster.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6893 –
Quote from: Mav on
The point of the governmental warnings over the new subvariant is to persuade people to get the booster. The booster offers much more protection against Omicron but the "it's just the sniffles" talk helps to drive down the demand for the booster.
There is a problem going to surface, and it relates to re-infection.

People are starting to get re-infected on quite short cycles, the immunity offered by Omicron dwindles very quickly, and people are presenting 8 or 10 weeks after being infected and they are infected again.

The vaccines have done the job, they don't have acute symptoms, but the need to avoid an immune system overload means they can't be vaccinated. I think if I recall the minimum interval is now 6 weeks clear health before the Sars-CoV-2 vaccine.

With the lead-time to vaccination being several weeks and the short re-infection cycle it's becoming a bigger issue to find a window for the best practice safe treatment, they may be forced to move to a riskier model.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6894 –
Quote from: LP on
There is a problem going to surface, and it relates to re-infection.

People are starting to get re-infected on quite short cycles, the immunity offered by Omicron dwindles very quickly, and people are presenting 8 or 10 weeks after being infected and they are infected again.

The vaccines have done the job, they don't have acute symptoms, but the need to avoid an immune system overload means they can't be vaccinated. I think if I recall the minimum interval is now 6 weeks clear health before the Sars-CoV-2 vaccine.

With the lead-time to vaccination being several weeks and the short re-infection cycle it's becoming a bigger issue to find a window for the best practice safe treatment, they may be forced to move to a riskier model.

My daughter just had her booster, six weeks after completing her COVID isolation.  The post-vaccination symptoms were worse than COVID  ::)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6895 –
Quote from: DJC on
My daughter just had her booster, six weeks after completing her COVID isolation.  The post-vaccination symptoms were worse than COVID  ::)
Pfizer?

At least when you get a reaction you know it's working, I'm more worried about people who get a mild dose of COVID then conclude the vaccines aren't required.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6896 –
Today I have heard LP allude to covid killing Shane Warne and just at lunch I overheard a man saying it was the booster shot that did him in.

Bullcrap from both sides.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6897 –
Quote from: LP on
Pfizer?

At least when you get a reaction you know it's working, I'm more worried about people who get a mild dose of COVID then conclude the vaccines aren't required.

I think it was Pfizer.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6898 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Today I have heard LP allude to covid killing Shane Warne and just at lunch I overheard a man saying it was the booster shot that did him in.

Bullcrap from both sides.
I haven't alluded to COVID killing Warne, however I'm commenting on articles in media that are doing that, and I'm also discussing the real world effects of COVID that are relevant and have been known for a long long time.

As far as I can ascertain, Warne could not have recently had a booster shot because he only had COVID a few weeks before he left Australia, I believe across all federal jurisdictions you need to be negative for six weeks before you are allowed a booster shot.

If Warne had a booster shot it must have been before he got COVID the second time, he'd had COVID twice.

Do we know what "Fully Vaccinated" is in Thai terms, some regions are two shots while others are three, maybe Thailand was the chosen destination because you only need two shots?
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6899 –
Quote from: LP on
The media is drawing a !ink between COVID and Warne, now Senator Kitching also at 52!

Not sure there is a link, but would you take that risk, just a sniffle isn't it?

Are you sure?

If someone else wrote this and changed the word covid to vaccination you would have went to town on them.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!