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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7245 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
The ivermectin boosters weren't worth listening to because they had a foot in two camps and couldn't figure out if COVID was a legitimate threat, and whether or not medication was required, but if it was required, then Ivermectin would solve it and not the vaccine, which is completely hypocritical and sounds more like "I'll do anything but take a vaccine".

A very stupid way to address the pandemic with concerns that are somewhat valid to begin with and make genuine critics sound crazy by association which is the only reason they got attention to start with because it helps make people sheep.  After the whole vaccination stand that was taken, there was no way to say "oops, we got that and a few other things wrong", so the same line will be towed until someone is brave enough to come forward and tell us with certainty about the true lessons learned.

For mine, COVID is nothing too concerning and managed easily enough by Panadol or Paracetemol.  I wouldn't be indulging in fanciful fixes like Ivermectin even if they worked.

Whether or not the vaccine works as advertised is another story.  It may be a prophylactic for getting COVID as far as we can tell or it might do nothing but provide people some confidence.  Using my own case study, despite living normally I dodged COVID until 12 months after my 3rd vaccination which lends weight to it offering some level of protection, but a problem there is knowing whether or not I got near a positive case.  I have no way to know this with any confidence because I associated with too few people even though I was out in public to know if someone actually caught COVID around me and was a close contact extremely infrequently.  If you are worried about it, or compromised, get vaccinated, but there is no need to force the masses who are like me to get vaccinated. 

So draw your own conclusion from the above.  I'm going to let my immune system fight it with assistance from Panadol rather than go the vaccine route from now on, because that suits me fine and even at my worst covid symptoms, I didnt really need medical assistance, just some good old fashioned bed rest and couch time to recover with Panadol keeping the fever down.

Not sure why rest, hydration and downtime aren't the immediate go to fixes for illness these days.  Perhaps it has something to do with the bulk billing model where doctors only get paid on a visit, and that means bring your patients back daily to give them a certificate rather than giving them a chunk of time off to rest.  Happened to me a few years back.  Copped Gastro on Saturday, hadn't held food down and went to the GP on monday.  Gave me a certificate for one day.  Went back the next day still not having eaten food and got another one day cert when all I could do was keep my fluids up.  The next day went to another GP, who upon hearing that I hadnt eaten for almost 5 days and was still not keeping any food down, gave me the rest of the week off, told me to keep hydrated and rest.  Why do I need 3 visits to a GP to get 5 days off work when I was incapable of digesting food properly and was effectively peeing out of my A-Hole? 

The answer is that some doctors were too busy maximising their medicare returns.  A poor practise, and if you live in the Northern Suburbs, I know he practises out of two medical clinics, and one of them is close to Campbellfield, and the other is near Greensborough and Ill give you his name if you PM me.  More just to keep him honest if you visit him.  I have since stopped seeing him and have switched to a non bulk billing medical centre, because if I am paying for it, at very least the duty of care is not to fleece me.

Pro Tip...if The Doctor you see doesnt part or fully own the clinic you are going to then dont bother, bulk billing clinics where you dont see the same doctor twice are to be avoided if you can. Same with outpatient clinics at Public Hospitals, choose a Private specialist not the outpatients clinic at your local public hospital if you have the means and choice.
Re: CoVid Vaccines......not a fan after my heart issues and more research is required, Did hear there is a Norwegian study just finished that provides some interesting results but I guess every side of the story has a research paper to back up its claims so the truth will probably sit in the middle somewhere but never come to light publicly .

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7246 –
After having my 4th shot I had very nasty dose of Covid last July, that laid me very low for 3 weeks. Not good at all. Yet to have the 5th. Not sure which way to go at this stage.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7247 –
I got my 5th shot today; the Pfizer bivalent booster.  My shoulder’s a little sore but I’m as normal as I can be.

The jabs were administered in a part of the clinic I hadn’t really been to before and it was decorated with footy photographs.  Very prominent were the Juddster, Jezza’s mark and our photoshopped team of the century team photograph.  The latter is a little weird but quite well done. 

All in all, a worthwhile trip to the doctor’s 🙂
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7248 –
This is how unscrupulous and morally bankrupt News Ltd is,

Today they published the following headline, they know the vast bulk of readers only ever read the headline, but after reading see the opening lines below;
Vaccinated Aussie Dies after Bali Trip


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A 23-year-old woman from the Gold Coast, who had just returned from a trip to Bali with mates, went from feeling fine to dying within 24 hours, her devastated parents have said.

Bella Fidler thought she might have caught Covid-19, but by the time it was discovered she had a deadly strain of meningitis, it was tragically too late to save her.

Now Ms Fidler’s parents are calling for a vaccine for the deadly meningococcal B strain of meningitis to be made more widely available..........................
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7250 –
My (other) son has finally tested positive.
Myself, wife and first kid are still negative despite all feeling sick at the same time.
Officially, I still haven't had it, my wife either.
Little fella (6yo) is doing fine.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7251 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7252 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

Not really a surprise. After all how can any vaccine with such limited testing not carry a significant risk. Our governments pushing these vaccines on children was criminal imo and parents that obliged should be ashamed of themself.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7253 –
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?

Ok to say that now but at some of the early stages of the roll out AZ was all that was available and the governments and of course the ‘experts’ on this site where very quick to claim all vaccines available were safe. 

Is this the only covid vaccine that we change our opinion on when possible negative side effects come out ?

Doubt it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7254 –
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?
There are vehicle components in every vaccines some people are allergic to, that is why you need alternatives with a different vehicle.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7255 –
Quote from: shawny on
Is this the only covid vaccine that we change our opinion on when possible negative side effects come out ?
If you stick a dry needle in a billion people some will have adverse reactions, some will die, most will be fine.

Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal, it is why they observe you for a few minutes after any shoot, not just Sars-CoV-2 vaccines.

I don't know the count now but the figures are immense, if we scaled any vaccination scheme to the level as the COVID vaccines we find the same or worse.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7257 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

The message around vaccination has changed a bit from the initial  "Get vaccinated to protect us all" to "Get vaccinated to protect yourself."
It's become a very individual and personal decision.
I had my fifth shot about three weeks ago.
I probaby had more of a reaction to my flu shot about a week ago than to any of my covid shots.

I had AZ for the first vaccination and Pfizer for the subsequent ones
I think in making the decision to be vaccinated or not we look for a bit of information.
Sometimes, as with most things, our bias 'for or against' leads us to give a bit more credence to information that supports our beliefs.
On a quick read of the Mail article you could easily  get the message that AZ is suddenly causing blood clots and has had to be withdrawn.
A more in depth read reveals nothing quite so dramatic....in fact it's old news.
The blood clot issue has been around since the vaccine rollout began.
When I was looking for fifth vax options it seemed that Moderna and Pfizer both seemed to have specific vaccines for the latest Omicron variants, so the AZ had been superseded.

It is a personal  issue and the virus can vary greatly in it's effects on individuals.
If even the 'experts' aren't 'experts' (and thoughts and practices have changed greatly since the initial days of the virus) it's probably  best left to the individual to decide what's the best course of action for themselves.
Having had Covid, and with a few health issues I feel pretty comfortable with my level of protection.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7258 –
Quote from: Lods on
I had AZ for the first vaccination and Pfizer for the subsequent ones.
The early science suggested cross vaccination was the best strategy and that has been now shown to be true, I was advised by my GP to go with cross vaccination, then if you are lucky you maybe got the new Omicron option as the last booster and this should deliver the longest resistance possible.

Politics plays a big part of all this, while AZ was made available at low cost forever to the 3rd world, the 3rd world cannot make it, but they have formed a cooperative to make the mRNA versions.

If you were to be technically brutalist the safety numbers are no better or worse for either vaccine option, and actually these vaccines are as statistically safe as any vaccine in history.

Regardless, the News Ltd article wants to build on vaccine hysteria by exploiting the death of a woman from Meningococcal, they are so disingenuous about it they actually change the headline on the page that the link opens, in my opinion they should be prosecuted for deliberately misleading the public.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7259 –
Quote from: LP on
If you stick a dry needle in a billion people some will have adverse reactions, some will die, most will be fine.

Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal, it is why they observe you for a few minutes after any shoot, not just Sars-CoV-2 vaccines.

I don't know the count now but the figures are immense, if we scaled any vaccination scheme to the level as the COVID vaccines we find the same or worse.

LP, stop spinning things mate.  

You can't just admit they got this particular vaccine wrong and that's why its now banned. 

You're downplaying it saying 'Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal'

You're better than that LP.