Saturday 8 August
13:45@MCG (away)
:o Am I blind or is there no pregame discussion? Against Collingwood of all teams!
This will be the lowest attended game since the suburban days if interest reflects what I'm hearing around the place.
Both teams haven't won for a while... we gotta be some chance. More than the past few weeks anyway.
Their small forwards usually kill us, but they seem to have forgotten how to score. No Cloke either.
CollingwoodI is a great case study on why winning is important. They had a streak of games where they were admirable but didn't get the job done and suddenly they fell right off. Perhaps they weren't that good but without those early wins, they probably wouldn't have been in the contest.
They'll get back on the winners list as we have no interest in winning. Collingwood by 32.
Do we really want to win this :o
Wieteman Cup is coming up?
Do we really want to win this :o
Wieteman Cup is coming up?
I think we're safe.
Carlton/Collingwood at the "G" in a few days and 5 posts in the pre game thread.
We can't afford two or three years in the bottom 4 but I don't know how we'll avoid it, these are very disturbing times.
I think we'll get closer to Collingwood than we did to North but I doubt we'll beat them.
Do we really want to win this :o
Wieteman Cup is coming up?
No.. we dont need to win just be competitive and not get hammered..
That would be the Weitering Cup..we need Gold Coast to win another game or two.....
No.. we dont need to win just be competitive and not get hammered..
That would be the Weitering Cup..we need Gold Coast to win another game or two.....
GC will win this week and I think they play the Bombers up there.
No.. we dont need to win just be competitive and not get hammered..
That would be the Weitering Cup..we need Gold Coast to win another game or two.....
Thanks for the spelling tip EB ;) I'll only be worried about the spelling when he is running around in navy. :)
Carlton/Collingwood at the "G" in a few days and 5 posts in the pre game thread.
We can't afford two or three years in the bottom 4 but I don't know how we'll avoid it, these are very disturbing times.
I think we'll get closer to Collingwood than we did to North but I doubt we'll beat them.
B4L, I think the times are very disturbing for the AFL in general, not just us.
It was my sons birthday last week, so I'm coming down for the game this week.
The last time I took him to the G it was the last game of the season against collingwood (2004 I think) and we got up by a point.
Him, me and my old man who has since passed away, sung ourselves hoarse that night... I'm hoping for a repeat...
It was my sons birthday last week, so I'm coming down for the game this week.
The last time I took him to the G it was the last game of the season against collingwood (2004 I think) and we got up by a point.
Him, me and my old man who has since passed away, sung ourselves hoarse that night... I'm hoping for a repeat...
So are the rest of us!
B4L, I think the times are very disturbing for the AFL in general, not just us.
True, but the AFL is too big to fail.
We aren't.
I cant believe there are some who are hoping we lose .I don't care how bad we are but beating the PIES always brings a smile to my face.Carn The Blues
I cant believe there are some who are hoping we lose .I don't care how bad we are but beating the PIES always brings a smile to my face.Carn The Blues
I was at the Bryce Gibbs Cup V Essendon, we were gone for all money then came back hard with 10 minutes to go and got up for a draw, another few minutes and we win and Bryce would be wearing red and black.
The players and 99% of the Carlton people at the MCG were cheering us on like crazy, then when we lost to Melbourne and guaranteed Kreuzer a few years later the cheer squad clapped the players off the ground, they were actually holding up banners saying Kreuzer!!
Losing and tanking suck, I can't understand anyone being happy with either.
True, but the AFL is too big to fail.
We aren't.
Bear Stearns?
I was at the Bryce Gibbs Cup V Essendon, we were gone for all money then came back hard with 10 minutes to go and got up for a draw, another few minutes and we win and Bryce would be wearing red and black.
We could have Fumbleton
I was there last year so I could be part of history (lowest crowd between these 2 in 93 years). Think that record may be broken this week but fortunately will not be attending as I think we're going to get smacked. In fact I think we'll be getting smacked for the rest of the year. :(
We could have Fumbleton
Or Goldstein at pick 37, instead we took Hampson at 17.
The story of our life.
watson full forward, jones chb,yarran in the centre,everitt to apply 2tackles.Lets mix the whole side this rd.
herald sun reports yarran menzel axed
why not henderson as well?
herald sun reports yarran menzel axed
why not henderson as well?
If true, about time.
Apparently they are "not meeting on-field expectations". Watch this space I guess. Is this code for "they are available for trade" and that Lachie has not yet reached that point?
If true, about time.
Apparently they are "not meeting on-field expectations". Watch this space I guess. Is this code for "they are available for trade" and that Lachie has not yet reached that point?
Yarran will probably go but that might wake Menzel up. He's a big part of the future. He's obviously not fit given his injuries but one still has to run if you're out there. Good to see Barker imposing some discipline and not taking crape. White would be lucky after giving up on the Waite chase.
Henderson has implied he'll stay if Barker is coach. He's just out of form playing in the wrong spot.
I was at the Bryce Gibbs Cup V Essendon, we were gone for all money then came back hard with 10 minutes to go and got up for a draw, another few minutes and we win and Bryce would be wearing red and black.
The players and 99% of the Carlton people at the MCG were cheering us on like crazy, then when we lost to Melbourne and guaranteed Kreuzer a few years later the cheer squad clapped the players off the ground, they were actually holding up banners saying Kreuzer!!
Losing and tanking suck, I can't understand anyone being happy with either.
I agree. You might get a good player but it hurts your culture.
White would be lucky after giving up on the Waite chase.
Don't listen to BT to make that judgement. He hung White out to dry for 'giving up on the chase'. The first replay was not ideal. The second replay showed Waite running at goal with 2 players coming directly at him, a lot closer than White was. In essence, they were going to get to Waite a lot quicker than White, even if White had Usain Bolt speed. It was an overreaction.
I agree. You might get a good player but it hurts your culture.
And sends a message to supporters and sponsors that losing is acceptable.
Realistically I think we'll get beaten on Saturday but I'm hoping we smash them, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to climb off rock bottom by beating The Filth.
Don't listen to BT to make that judgement. He hung White out to dry for 'giving up on the chase'. The first replay was not ideal. The second replay showed Waite running at goal with 2 players coming directly at him, a lot closer than White was. In essence, they were going to get to Waite a lot quicker than White, even if White had Usain Bolt speed. It was an overreaction.
well if u look at the waite goal, i am afraid to say that cripps gave up the chase as well...
well if u look at the waite goal, i am afraid to say that cripps gave up the chase as well...
I'm not sure if it was that particular one but there was an instance of him doing that last week (of course judging from the TV isn't the best perspective). I remember it because it was something I didn't expect from Cripps.
Poor bugger was probably knackered....after his efforts.
But if we use it for an excuse for Cripps we have to give White the benefit of the doubt because his efforts are usually very good too.
(I've had a look at one lot of vision and couldn't see Cripps in the picture on the Waite goal)
If true, about time.
Apparently they are "not meeting on-field expectations". Watch this space I guess. Is this code for "they are available for trade" and that Lachie has not yet reached that point?
Equally surprised Henderson not also dropped for the same reason. Pays to be a good mate of the senior coach? >:(
I'm not sure if it was that particular one but there was an instance of him doing that last week (of course judging from the TV isn't the best perspective). I remember it because it was something I didn't expect from Cripps.
Poor bugger was probably knackered....after his efforts.
But if we use it for an excuse for Cripps we have to give White the benefit of the doubt because his efforts are usually very good too.
(I've had a look at one lot of vision and couldn't see Cripps in the picture on the Waite goal)
I give cripps the benefit of the doubt on his fitness - young player
OUT. Yarran, Menzel Tutt.
IN. Walker, Holman, Whiley
OUT. Yarran, Menzel Tutt.
IN. Walker, Holman, Whiley
From the club's facebook page....
Coach John Barker says the trio will play in the curtain raiser with the Northern Blues on Saturday.
"Clearly our form as a team, over the past couple of weeks, hasn't been where we want it to be and of the standard we expect," Barker said.
"We are striving to install some high standards with our on-field work ethic and we expect players to earn their spot each week.
"We need these three players to find the spark we know they have – they're all good Carlton people and I'm confident they will fight their way back into the senior side."
Meanwhile Kristian Jaksch, Tom Fields and Brad Walsh have been named as the emergencies.
I'm not sure if it was that particular one but there was an instance of him doing that last week (of course judging from the TV isn't the best perspective). I remember it because it was something I didn't expect from Cripps.
Poor bugger was probably knackered....after his efforts.
But if we use it for an excuse for Cripps we have to give White the benefit of the doubt because his efforts are usually very good too.
(I've had a look at one lot of vision and couldn't see Cripps in the picture on the Waite goal)
First of all, Cripps couldn't run out of sight at night.
Second of all, you should know by now that anything Mozzie said should be, at best, taken with a grain of salt.
At least Holbaggers is back!
OUT. Yarran, Menzel Tutt.
IN. Walker, Holman, Whiley
I thought Yarran's effort was better last week but I wouldn't have been surprised if he had been dropped a couple of weeks back.
Menzel seems to be just going through the motions and I excused him in the belief that he was carrying an injury. The fact that he will be playing in the NBs puts paid to my injury theory.
Tutt tries hard but I just don't think he is up to AFL football. I hope he proves me wrong but I can't see much of a future for him with us.
The ins are interesting, particularly with Jaksch not progressing beyond emergency.
I'm looking forward to a more competitive performance this Saturday and I reckon Eddie's head will explode if we get the four points.
Tutt is a dud..said so when we recruited him and my opinion hasnt changed..in fact he is worse than I thought... >:(
Menzel is talented but lazy and needs the right coach....
Yarran hasnt got his head in the right place and seems preoccupied with other thoughts...
Holman in is fair enough as the kid has a go and has improved, Whiley has been ok in the NB's but doesnt do much with the footy .....I would have played Walsh ahead of Walker who needs another game in the NB's IMO...
Jaksch is unlucky not to be playing more games and I dont get why he is overlooked..is a classy player IMO and it shows when he plays in the NB's.....not sure why he cant get a game in a team that lacks classy talls and plays the undersized White on bigger players....
Head scratching stuff Elwood with Jaksch.
Re Tutt he is very much a dudley moore, gives 110% effort which unfortunately shows just how bad he is.
Carlton
B: Simon White, Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe
HB: Dylan Buckley, Zach Tuohy, Kade Simpson.
C: Sam Docherty, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow.
HF: Blaine Boekhorst, Levi Casboult, Tom Bell.
F: Andrejs Everitt, Lachie Henderson, Andrew Walker.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Holman, Clem Smith, Mark Whiley, Cameron Wood.
Emg: Kristian Jaksch, Tom Fields, Brad Walsh.
In: Andrew Walker, Nick Holman, Mark Whiley.
Out: Jason Tutt (Omitted), Chris Yarran (Omitted), Troy Menzel (Omitted)
Collingwood
B: Tom Langdon, Nathan J. Brown, Marley Williams.
HB: Alan Toovey, Jack Frost, Brayden Maynard.
C: Levi Greenwood, Dane Swan, Steele Sidebottom.
HF: Travis Varcoe, Darcy Moore, Jarryd Blair.
F: Alex Fasolo, Ben Reid, Jamie Elliott.
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Taylor Adams, Scott Pendlebury.
Int: Matthew Scharenberg, Jonathon Marsh, Jack Crisp, Ben Sinclair.
Emg: Sam Dwyer, Tyson Goldsack, Jarrod Witts
In: Jarryd Blair, Ben Reid, Jonathon Marsh, Ben Sinclair.
Out: Paul Seedsman (Omitted), Jarrod Witts (Omitted), Sam Dwyer (Omitted), Jordan De Goey (Rested)
First of all, Cripps couldn't run out of sight at night.
Second of all, you should know by now that anything Mozzie said should be, at best, taken with a grain of salt.
footy classifieds show cripps
good try...
NOT.. ::)
I'm more than a tad shat off with Menzel... if he thinks he is going to get an easy ticket out of the joint by playing dead, he might be in for a nasty shock..... the NB's might have some highly talented but lazy recruits next year.
Equally surprised Henderson not also dropped for the same reason. Pays to be a good mate of the senior coach? >:(
Yup, hypocritical to say the least.
Re the White chase you never give it up. It's all about perceived pressure you have to keep chasing until the ball has been disposed of. FTR Barker commended White for his efforts this week so I guess he's a coaches fave that is going nowhere as well.
Carlton
B: Simon White, Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe
HB: Dylan Buckley, Zach Tuohy, Kade Simpson.
C: Sam Docherty, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow.
HF: Blaine Boekhorst, Levi Casboult, Tom Bell.
F: Andrejs Everitt, Lachie Henderson, Andrew Walker.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Nick Holman, Clem Smith, Mark Whiley, Cameron Wood.
Emg: Kristian Jaksch, Tom Fields, Brad Walsh.
In: Andrew Walker, Nick Holman, Mark Whiley.
Out: Jason Tutt (Omitted), Chris Yarran (Omitted), Troy Menzel (Omitted)
Collingwood
B: Tom Langdon, Nathan J. Brown, Marley Williams.
HB: Alan Toovey, Jack Frost, Brayden Maynard.
C: Levi Greenwood, Dane Swan, Steele Sidebottom.
HF: Travis Varcoe, Darcy Moore, Jarryd Blair.
F: Alex Fasolo, Ben Reid, Jamie Elliott.
Foll: Brodie Grundy, Taylor Adams, Scott Pendlebury.
Int: Matthew Scharenberg, Jonathon Marsh, Jack Crisp, Ben Sinclair.
Emg: Sam Dwyer, Tyson Goldsack, Jarrod Witts
In: Jarryd Blair, Ben Reid, Jonathon Marsh, Ben Sinclair.
Out: Paul Seedsman (Omitted), Jarrod Witts (Omitted), Sam Dwyer (Omitted), Jordan De Goey (Rested)
Blair, Elliott, and Fasalo is the Pies version of the three amigos and small forwards tend to give us trouble, we will need to be switched on to
cover them.......Interested to see how Brayden Maynard goes...was keen on him pre draft.
Pies are very small down back and I reckon Ben Reid might start at CHB....
Mark Whiley got Pendlebury last time ...wonder if JB will give him the job again or go for Curnow or Carrazzo...
Adams will get Murphy and we will need to look after the skipper as Adams is a dirty sniper....
You wouldn't drop Tutt for a lack of effort so Barker must have only been talking about Yarran and Menzel at his presser last week.
Tutt's no good but he busts his gut.
You wouldn't drop Tutt for a lack of effort so Barker must have only been talking about Yarran and Menzel at his presser last week.
Tutt's no good but he busts his gut.
I reckon Tutt is selective about when he has a go. He walks or jogs towards a contest unless there's a chance he'll be on the end of a handpass. He's not Robinson Crusoe in that, but most of his team mates do a little better when they have the ball.
I don't think there's a future for Tutt at CFC unfortunately so I don't think we should give him any more senior games on that basis. I fear he has joined Watto in the exit lounge, and they will only play again if we have no one else available. Not sure whether or not Jones is also in there with them at this stage but it must be a strong chance.
Pay him out and piss him off. I was livid we wasted a pick on that spud, didn't see why then, don't see it now.
Pay him out and piss him off. I was livid we wasted a pick on that spud, didn't see why then, don't see it now.
mate - he has delivered more than daisy - that spud should be paid out...
Don't get me started on Mick's other pets in Daisy and Jones.... A million a year between them for both and neither worth yesterday's bread.
Don't get me started on Mick's other pets in Daisy and Jones.... A million a year between them for both and neither worth yesterday's bread.
I still think that Thomas has something to contribute and I believe that he is held in high esteem by his team mates. If he can stay on the park I reckon he could be good value in 2016, but perhaps not quite what his pay packet demands.
I'd would really like him to do well in 2016, just to get up Eddie's goat :)
Menzel is talented but lazy and needs the right coach....
Yarran hasnt got his head in the right place and seems preoccupied with other thoughts...
Menzel is only interested in doing the fancy stuff - he always goes for the spectacular goals rather than playing the percentages and he rarely gets out of first gear to chase an opponent - has been the same since he arrived - with the exception of one game earlier this year when he actually pulled his finger out.
Yaz has always been lazy but has been going downhill in a hurry since Betts departed.
Both of these guys have great skills but are not the types you would be looking to rely on when the going gets tough - as is the case these days.
Menzel is only interested in doing the fancy stuff - he always goes for the spectacular goals rather than playing the percentages and he rarely gets out of first gear to chase an opponent - has been the same since he arrived - with the exception of one game earlier this year when he actually pulled his finger out.
Yaz has always been lazy but has been going downhill in a hurry since Betts departed.
Both of these guys have great skills but are not the types you would be looking to rely on when the going gets tough - as is the case these days.
I tend to agree in relation to Menzel, but Yarran is one of the few blokes on our list who won't be bullied. I just think his natural flare has been stifled so much that he doesn't really know what his role is.
A decent coach will get more out of both players but Yarran should be an offensive weapon and not wasted in defence.
Menzel frightened he'll do another knee. has to get over that psychological barrier.
Yarran, just not trying. Has got off field issues, and i don't know where his future lies.
Tutt, Rowe, Jones, Watson, Blaine Johnson spuds.
Henderson wants to go to Geelong, but club are trying to convince him to stay. Don't know why. Hasn't taken a contested mark since Frank Worall was coach in 1914.
Carazzo, playing out time. Murphy playing sore. Jammo scared of getting another shoulder injury, probably stay on another year, but should give it away. Watch him not tackle on Saturday.
White, an average player at best. Would struggle to get a game in the top 10 teams.
Wiley been a disappointment. Watched him at GWS. Was a real goer, threw himself into packs, but has left it all behind him.
Curnow, a trier, but that's it. His disposal is shocking. Can always get a job at a carnival as one of those clowns in the arcade games that you pop a ping pong ball into its always open mouth. That's cruel, I know.
Walker playing Saturday, but gone. I don't think Dick will make it.
WE do have some positives.
Stating the obvious, Cripps, Graham if he can improve, the two Irishmen, Sheahan and Bierne, I'm looking forward to next year with them, Kreuzer, a fully fit Thomas, maybe will do us some good, Jacksh with another 10 kilos on his body. I want to see more of Fields. Holmann, maybe. Levi getting better.
We desperately need to get it right at the draft anfd trade.
It will take 3-5 years minimum to come good, and that's only if we get the right coach, the right skills coach and the right assistants.
I really would like us to finish bottom, so we can get the first draft pick.
BUT, I'm prepared to forgo that, just to have the pleasure of seeing us beat Collingwood and watching Eddies face turn red with anger and frustration.
GO BLUES!!!!!
Menzel is only interested in doing the fancy stuff - he always goes for the spectacular goals rather than playing the percentages and he rarely gets out of first gear to chase an opponent - has been the same since he arrived - with the exception of one game earlier this year when he actually pulled his finger out.
Yaz has always been lazy but has been going downhill in a hurry since Betts departed.
Both of these guys have great skills but are not the types you would be looking to rely on when the going gets tough - as is the case these days.
What a sad state of affairs this is.
Collo stated in "Inside Football" that in the last few years we've taken the easy way out, getting rid of the rough edged types instead of managing them like we used to. Wish he wasn't right, but he has a very cogent point. Back in the '70's and '80's we had a lot of 'characters', but we managed them. We looked after them. We had a strong culture and strong people and we dealt with the rough edges. Now we don't appear to have any of that: we don't look after our players enough, we don't develop our players enough and we don't manage our players enough. Guys like Menzel and Yarran would never have been issues back then. But now?
Truly we need to develop tough people.
What a sad state of affairs this is.
Collo stated in "Inside Football" that in the last few years we've taken the easy way out, getting rid of the rough edged types instead of managing them like we used to. Wish he wasn't right, but he has a very cogent point. Back in the '70's and '80's we had a lot of 'characters', but we managed them. We looked after them. We had a strong culture and strong people and we dealt with the rough edges. Now we don't appear to have any of that: we don't look after our players enough, we don't develop our players enough and we don't manage our players enough. Guys like Menzel and Yarran would never have been issues back then. But now?
Truly we need to develop tough people.
Goes all to the board.....
Menzel frightened he'll do another knee. has to get over that psychological barrier.
Yarran, just not trying. Has got off field issues, and i don't know where his future lies.
Tutt, Rowe, Jones, Watson, Blaine Johnson spuds.
Henderson wants to go to Geelong, but club are trying to convince him to stay. Don't know why. Hasn't taken a contested mark since Frank Worall was coach in 1914.
Carazzo, playing out time. Murphy playing sore. Jammo scared of getting another shoulder injury, probably stay on another year, but should give it away. Watch him not tackle on Saturday.
White, an average player at best. Would struggle to get a game in the top 10 teams.
Wiley been a disappointment. Watched him at GWS. Was a real goer, threw himself into packs, but has left it all behind him.
Curnow, a trier, but that's it. His disposal is shocking. Can always get a job at a carnival as one of those clowns in the arcade games that you pop a ping pong ball into its always open mouth. That's cruel, I know.
Walker playing Saturday, but gone. I don't think Dick will make it.
WE do have some positives.
Stating the obvious, Cripps, Graham if he can improve, the two Irishmen, Sheahan and Bierne, I'm looking forward to next year with them, Kreuzer, a fully fit Thomas, maybe will do us some good, Jacksh with another 10 kilos on his body. I want to see more of Fields. Holmann, maybe. Levi getting better.
We desperately need to get it right at the draft anfd trade.
It will take 3-5 years minimum to come good, and that's only if we get the right coach, the right skills coach and the right assistants.
I really would like us to finish bottom, so we can get the first draft pick.
BUT, I'm prepared to forgo that, just to have the pleasure of seeing us beat Collingwood and watching Eddies face turn red with anger and frustration.
GO BLUES!!!!!
Where's walker going?
I agree with bignic.
We also have way too many injured players.
We do not have enough tough nuts, skilful players who have a cool head to hit a target and we do not have enough fit/warrior type blokes who can play each and every week or close to it each year.
We seem to be broken physically as well as mentally.
Walker, Jamison and Thomas - can't get on the park to save themselves and when they do they run at 10%.
Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Dick - turned into absolute flop investments. I'm prepared to keep Whiley. The others - meh.
Watson, Ellard - gone 100% have to be gone.
Blokes like Walsh and Holman look to have the killer desire Pratty, we need more kids like them.
I agree with bignic.
We also have way too many injured players.
We do not have enough tough nuts, skilful players who have a cool head to hit a target and we do not have enough fit/warrior type blokes who can play each and every week or close to it each year.
We seem to be broken physically as well as mentally.
Walker, Jamison and Thomas - can't get on the park to save themselves and when they do they run at 10%.
Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Dick - turned into absolute flop investments. I'm prepared to keep Whiley. The others - meh.
Watson, Ellard - gone 100% have to be gone.
Jones should be tried at FB or CHB in the 2s. And told to work his butt off. Perhaps being behind the ball/play will help him improve.....clearly has the athleticism, but between the ears/ Hmmmm.
Henderson wants to go to Geelong, but club are trying to convince him to stay. Don't know why. Hasn't taken a contested mark since Frank Worall was coach in 1914.
Took one last week, and most weeks. Averaging 1.4 a game and is =27th in the league for total contested marks, despite playing only 14 games. His 1.4 average ranks him =22nd in the league which puts him top 3%.
...and he HAS been playing badly.
Imagine how good he'll be when he improves and gets back to his best!
THAT's why you try and keep him.
Henderson is only an average player but he's not a dud, he's well worth his spot on our list and given our complete lack of key position players it would be disastrous to lose a decent one in his mid 20's, there's no way I'd accept anything second rate for him as a trade.
If he wanted out and we could snag a top 10 pick for him then I'd consider it but I don't think Geelong will be offering anything like that.
Don't get me started on Mick's other pets in Daisy and Jones.... A million a year between them for both and neither worth yesterday's bread.
I doubt that we're paying Jones much at all, Thomas will deliver next season.
If we're bagging Mick for them we might as well give him the credit for swapping Hampson for Docherty eh?
He has far more misses than hits. You go on and on about the poor state of the list, last time I checked it was his list for the last three years.
Blokes like Walsh and Holman look to have the killer desire Pratty, we need more kids like them.
I agree
I doubt that we're paying Jones much at all, Thomas will deliver next season.
If we're bagging Mick for them we might as well give him the credit for swapping Hampson for Docherty eh?
The swap of hammer for a pick to get Docherty is one of our better moves. Definitely a tick and he gets credit for that but Thomas was an awful decision and marked the beginning of the end for Mick.
The swap of hammer for a pick to get Docherty is one of our better moves. Definitely a tick and he gets credit for that but Thomas was an awful decision and marked the beginning of the end for Mick.
McLean was an awful decision.....until it wasn't.
If Daisy wins our B+F next year. Is it still an awful decision? Top 3? Top 5?
McLean was an awful decision.....until it wasn't.
If Daisy wins our B+F next year. Is it still an awful decision? Top 3? Top 5?
Daisy will need to be in the best handful of players in the league for a couple of years for us to get value for him now. McLean was an awful decision as we could have netted Talia.
Mclean was awful full stop. Only got a game when the team was riddled with injury and cemented his spot as a bottom 6 player. Hardly worth a first rounder. Daisy is Mick's Mclean but much worse as he is the highest paid player at the club and was also Mick and Swann's best mate.
Giving up pick 24 for Warnock was a shocker.
24: Suban
25 Redden
27: Sam Wright
29: Beams
30: Hanneberry
34: Liam Sheils
37: Zac Clarke
38: Broadbent
39: Steven Motlop
Giving up pick 24 for Warnock was a shocker.
24: Suban
25 Redden
27: Sam Wright
29: Beams
30: Hanneberry
34: Liam Sheils
37: Zac Clarke
38: Broadbent
39: Steven Motlop
I never understood it, with Jacobs and Hampson developing and our out and out want to keep number 1 to draft Kruezer.
Net result...
Had to give up Kennedy to get Judd.
Lost Jacobs due to lack of opportunity
Missed pick 24 which is a pretty good draft.
Lost 750K a year currently in which we decided not to pay Betts more.
He has far more misses than hits. You go on and on about the poor state of the list, last time I checked it was his list for the last three years.
I know you have a savage hate for Malthouse PI2C but I think that sometimes it stops being rational.
He was at Carlton for two and a half seasons, the deficiencies in our list have been a decade in the making and in that decade Ratten had the list for five and a half years.
It's been a comedy of errors at Carlton for longer than I care to remember and even though I'm not and never was a Malthouse fan I'm not willing to load all of the responsibility for our parlous state on his shoulders.
I'll cut Thomas some slack, it's not his problem how much he's getting paid and he's still wearing our jumper, I'll wait and see what 2016 brings and if he's still injured or playing in the VFL I'll have a rethink.
Giving up pick 24 for Warnock was a shocker.
An understatement, our worst trade since we gave Geelong the Chapman pick for Mick Mansfield.
Edit: The jury's still out on pick 7 for Jaksch but it's not looking flash at the moment, I guess Malthouse should cop the heat for this one.
Anyway, good to see Walks back and I like what I've seen of Holman so far, you just never know.
watson and jakasch should be playing in this game ,but no we drop yaz and rowe still playing.
No arguments with the Warnock trade, it was a shocker but judging it with the ability to see how said draft picks turned out is BS.
Taking a broken Daisy in on a 750k deal when we knew he needed a complete foot reconstruction.....well only a fool or fools would do such a thing. And then to also let Betts go, which in turn has seen the loss of Garlett and now possibly Yarran....well.....that is a c0ck up of epic proprtions, way worse than trading pick 24 for a promising ruckman.
Have we strayed off topic????
Have we strayed off topic????
Isn't mandatory to attack or defend Malthouse and Ratten in every thread?
There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in the game and the line ups though ::)
Isn't mandatory to attack or defend Malthouse and Ratten in every thread?
There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in the game and the line ups though ::)
You wanna hear us talk about how we are going to get thumped by a side who hasn't won in 2 months?
You wanna hear us talk about how we are going to get thumped by a side who hasn't won in 2 months?
How about some misplaced optimism Kruddler ;)
How about some misplaced optimism Kruddler ;)
I think we'll only get soundly beaten :))
Not without a chance in this one....whether we want it is another question.
Our second quarter form against North would stack up OK against this mob.
If we can sustain it for more than a quarter we might push them.
Not without a chance in this one....whether we want it is another question.
Our second quarter form against North would stack up OK against this mob.
If we can sustain it for more than a quarter we might push them.
I tend to agree Lods.
Collingwood is hardly travelling well and their forward line is undermanned.
IF we play to our best for four quarters we could get over the line.
With the possible exception of Smith and Whiley, we probably have our best available players on the park.
With the possible exception of Smith and Whiley, we probably have our best available players on the park.
Scary.
Gibbs and Yarran at their best are probably in our top three players though.
I tend to agree Lods.
Collingwood is hardly travelling well and their forward line is undermanned. IF we play to our best for four quarters we could get over the line.
With the possible exception of Smith and Whiley, we probably have our best available players on the park.
If we bring the form we were showing until the Freo game, then we are better than a chance. How does the cliché go? ...I'm cautiously optimistic ;D
Wake up everyone. Our mids will be drilled a new one. The Pies can't continue losing and we have a bad record against them of late. Especially with no Judd, Gibbs or Thomas. I will be happy with a loss of less than 7 goals. That is just my view.
Wake up everyone. Our mids will be drilled a new one. The Pies can't continue losing and we have a bad record against them of late. Especially with no Judd, Gibbs or Thomas. I will be happy with a loss of less than 7 goals. That is just my view.
Get with the program Mantis, we're trying to create an atmosphere of cautious optimism ;)
Sorry DJC. I thought we were all tripping on a bad acid trip and were smelling sounds, hearing colours and actually able to watch flowers grow in real time literally. Not that I know anything about speed, angel dust, Mary J, or anything else. What was the original subject matter again by the way.
Yes, yes we will win by 2 goals in a close one. Betts will bag 3 goals, Waite will kick 2, Garlett will pitch in for a couple and Robinson will kick 2 himself. Judd will kick one, Thomas the same, Kreuzer also and Murphy, Gibbs, and Levi, Wood, McLean, Carrazzo, Armfield and Walker will kick a goal each. What year are we in exactly again. My watch has stopped functioning ? ;D
Where's walker going?
Nowhere.
Gone as in hasn't got it anymore. Past his prime etc.
Took one last week, and most weeks. Averaging 1.4 a game and is =27th in the league for total contested marks, despite playing only 14 games. His 1.4 average ranks him =22nd in the league which puts him top 3%.
...and he HAS been playing badly.
Imagine how good he'll be when he improves and gets back to his best!
THAT's why you try and keep him.
I strongly doubt that statistic, 27th in the League. If in fact it's true, then for the amount of times he's in a contested marking opportunity he should be 5th. on the list.
The fact is, he has cement hands when in a contested marking situation, as well as not showing enough determination to grab the ball in a contested situation.
Levi's playing his first game as a Dad :D
Wife Hayley gave birth to little Lonnie last night.
Have to get to 100 games now Levi.
(Hopefully he got a bit of sleep) ;)
I strongly doubt that statistic, 27th in the League. If in fact it's true, then for the amount of times he's in a contested marking opportunity he should be 5th. on the list.
The fact is, he has cement hands when in a contested marking situation, as well as not showing enough determination to grab the ball in a contested situation.
You can doubt it as much as you want...it's true.
He took 2 contested marks today. More than anyone else on the ground.
He actually took a 3rd, but it was deemed just over the goalline so it wasn't counted.
Hendo clearly has ability. He just has a heart the size of a pea.
You can doubt it as much as you want...it's true.
He took 2 contested marks today. More than anyone else on the ground.
He actually took a 3rd, but it was deemed just over the goalline so it wasn't counted.
He might have had a whopping 2 contested marks but hardly something to hang your hat on when so many other areas of his game are badly lacking.
Looks so much more composed in defence and I'm not sure why he is not played there for the remainder of the year. If anything his value will increase which could help us trade wise.
Reid has played very little senior games for years yet first game back he still looks like a true forward. Snagged 4 goals and knows how to lead and take marks in positions to impact the scoreboard.
Something hendo just doesn't do.
Not worth paying overs for IMO. If we can get a late first round pick I hope we jump at it.
I reckon Hendo has been playing hurt. His kicking which is usually very good has lacked penetration and accuracy.