Win, lose or draw, there will be lots to argue about after this game. I'll be at the game, so the arguments will be in full swing by the time I get home. Hopefully though, the arguments will be about our success.
Win, lose or draw, there will be lots to argue about after this game. I'll be at the game, so the arguments will be in full swing by the time I get home. Hopefully though, the arguments will be about our success.
Post game already? Did we win?..lol.
Post game already? Did we win?..lol.
Stop it Jim, you know the rules ;)
Post game already? Did we win?..lol.
41 points, great game. Green shoots became saplings.
Disappointing today, the game was winnable but not when you give away a 7 goal start.
Cunningham showed promise, picking Sumner was a waste of time.
Great fight back. give a side an 8 goal head start and you won't win many games of football.
Jim park is going to be tough this week.
Great, gutsy comeback but it was our own fault we ran out of puff after that start. If we held on it would've been our 2nd biggest comeback ever.
Reckon we were one key forward light. A number of times we could've gone into an open 50 but lacked a tall bloke to go one on one. Hence we chipped it in and mucked it up a few times. An extra tall forward might've got us over the line. Asking alot of Casboult to be both the only key forward and back up ruckman, although he did have a good game influencing alot of physical contests.
The K man had a great game and was all over Goldstein. He was dominating those center clearances when we were coming back. A bit more strength into those young bodies and lookout. Time for Jack to go back to the two's and get some confidence into his game and give Kerr a run.
We set up with a 2 man fwd line against 6 north players. That's why we didn't kick it in long.
Weitering is at zero. Needs a rest then a run in the 2s.
The K man had a great game and was all over Goldstein. He was dominating those center clearances when we were coming back. A bit more strength into those young bodies and lookout. Time for Jack to go back to the two's and get some confidence into his game and give Kerr a run.
Kreuzer was interesting. Didn't have a possession for a qtr and a half then was brilliant, much like the team. He finished with 18 possessions and 9 tackles. Dominated in the ruck against a very good opponent.
3 games we have led in the last qtr this year and lost. While that's disappointing it's also a good sign with such young bodies.
Green shoots galore.
Jack, Fisher and SPS need a spell in the twos to find some touch and confidence
Perhaps could have won that game if Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer played.
Green shoots galore.
Jack, Fisher and SPS need a spell in the twos to find some touch and confidence
Perhaps could have won that game if Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer played.
We have a bye next week so hopefully that will freshen the young ones.
Nothing week for us next week with both the Seniors and NB's not playing.
Help if we picked another marking target. Sumner, WTF?
Frig I hate losing
Frigging I hate the umpires
Frig I hate Waite
Frigging I hate North
Frigging I Hate losing
When are we going to see a STAY at home FULL FORWARD. You know the ones? The ones that when we get the ball and stream down the wing you know the next kick will be to a LEADING forward.
We lost the game North didn't win it.
BB, you and the coaching team have done a superb job in building a backline but they have NONONE to kick it to in the forward line.
It is time to bring in a leading FULL FORWARD not a run up the ground and get a linking mark on the wing type guy.
We seem to have two, McKay and Kerr. Toss the coin, put one at FULL FORWARD and give US SUPPORTERS some hope that there is a next phase in our rebuild.
Because we have shown we can stop teams, we have shown we can defend, we have shown we can match it but we CANNOT kick a WINNING score!
IT IS TIME!
give US SUPPORTERS some hope that there is a next phase in our rebuild.
Well, I for one don't need too much convincing that there is hope there. We kicked almost 100 pts, our midfield got amongst the goals we actually had a forward plan that got us back into the game. Started 2 up forward, 2 on either side of the square and the other left overs coming off the back. North didn't know where to go for two and a half quarters.
I have plenty of hope.. and faith.
Frig I hate losing
Frigging I hate the umpires
Frig I hate Waite
Frigging I hate North
Frigging I Hate losing
When are we going to see a STAY at home FULL FORWARD. You know the ones? The ones that when we get the ball and stream down the wing you know the next kick will be to a LEADING forward.
We lost the game North didn't win it.
BB, you and the coaching team have done a superb job in building a backline but they have NONONE to kick it to in the forward line.
It is time to bring in a leading FULL FORWARD not a run up the ground and get a linking mark on the wing type guy.
We seem to have two, McKay and Kerr. Toss the coin, put one at FULL FORWARD and give US SUPPORTERS some hope that there is a next phase in our rebuild.
Because we have shown we can stop teams, we have shown we can defend, we have shown we can match it but we CANNOT kick a WINNING score!
IT IS TIME!
Yes!
Playing with one key forward only, who has to ruck as well, was a blunder. Needed a 2nd one, one that can read it and lead at the right time would be good.
Well, I for one don't need too much convincing that there is hope there. We kicked almost 100 pts, our midfield got amongst the goals we actually had a forward plan that got us back into the game. Started 2 up forward, 2 on either side of the square and the other left overs coming off the back. North didn't know where to go for two and a half quarters.
I have plenty of hope.. and faith.
We had the chance to go into an open forward line a few times but didn't have that tall that could go one on one or lead into space hence we tried to chip it and mucked it up. A 2nd key forward might have made a big difference.
Two clangers from Weitering (spiking the ball back into play on the goal line) and MacCreadie not forcing a rushed behind in the last were damaging. They will learn by those mistakes. That is what 'getting game time into the kids' is all about.
Two clangers from Weitering (spiking the ball back into play on the goal line) and MacCreadie not forcing a rushed behind in the last were damaging. They will learn by those mistakes. That is what 'getting game time into the kids' is all about.
Yes, that rushed behind rule is just so confusing. Felt sorry for that Richmond player last night.
Very disappointing to lose yet another game that we should have won. I guess that's the price you pay when you give the youngsters opportunities. That will pay dividends in the long run but it would be nice to get another win on the board.
There's certainly a lot of potential and I'm more than happy with how Bolton has us playing. However, I'd like to see more emphasis on the forward line - another key forward would have been handy today.
What cost us today was playing Weitering forward for the last three months, looks lost and confused now, has lost his spatial awareness. We are trying our very best to turn another No.1 pick into a spud!
SoJ was ordinary.
Wright kept quiet but kicked a great goal.
SPS was almost a ghost.
Plowman started to get back some form.
Cripps has a bad habit of thinking he is Gary Ablett Jnr.
Sumner burnt a team-mate in the last minute to kick himself a goal, that's his highlight!
Sumner burnt a team-mate in the last minute to kick himself a goal, that's his highlight!
He also handed one to Doc in the goal square when he could have easily kicked it himself. At the time I thought that it was pretty unselfish for a guy who would be desperate to get on the board.
He also handed one to Doc in the goal square when he could have easily kicked it himself. At the time I thought that it was pretty unselfish for a guy who would be desperate to get on the board.
If he hadn't handed that off he should have been dragged, team first always and every time, you must always reward effort.
There were a handful of moments of indecision or selfishness that cost us this game. They are young, they will learn, but they must learn from it!
In that 3rd we could have easily pegged another 2 or 3 goals and things would have been much different despite the crap start!
Green shoots galore.
Jack, Fisher and SPS need a spell in the twos to find some touch and confidence
Perhaps could have won that game if Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer played.
Dont think it would have made much difference tbh.
Two North player who were damaging were Williams and Higgins, both seem to run unchecked, Samo had Williams but couldnt go with him and he hurt us coming out of defense as he is a good user of the ball.
Higgins seem to have a few opponents but none were able to subdue him IMO and we suffered everytime he got the footy.....
Kruezer played a great game on Goldstein and while I have been a critic of Gibbs and expected less from him this season given he wanted out I was impressed with his attack on the footy, work and tackle rate, one of his best games for the club impact wise and it wasnt his fault we lost.
North seemed to get more out of their quiet players than we did.....Wood and Garner didnt touch the footy much but kicked goals when it mattered...
Alex Silvagni continues to be the surprise recruit of the year and must get a contract for next season...love his physicality and SOS sure knew hat he was doing when he rookied him unlike me who couldnt work out why he did :-[
Cunningham impressed me, not just the goals but his tackling and persistence....see a good future for him.
Nick Graham...effort was there but remain 50/50 on his effectiveness...
re: Sumner....typical game..some good stuff but also not enough of the ball....but I prefer him to the likes of Boekhorst and Buckley....
Weitering was poor and seems devoid of confidence, some horrible mistakes but he is better than what he showed, good for him to have a break this week IMO...
SOSOS was also poor....looks heavy in the legs and not giving us much, reckon Kerr might think he is a chance for a game as Jack needs a spell in the twos...
Just got back from the game. Greats seats... the usually sedate Mrs Baggers was ready to kill the umps by the midway mark of the 2nd qtr!
I love it when we get the chance to go to a game as you get to see who's working hard off the ball. Sumner showed glimpses and probably deserves another chance, but, sheesh, he'd want to make the most of that one.
Casboult was on a hiding to nothing being the only tall marking target up forward. SOJ has to make way for a Mackay, Jones or Kerr.
Don't think we had the experience to newbie ratio correct. Macreadie for Rowe didn't work and neither did Sumner for Thomas. In hindsight Boekhorst or Armfield would have been better replacements for Thomas.
Positives:-
The comeback from 45 pts down.
Gibbs was sensational as a player and leader on the ground helping to wake us up in the second qtr. No way we let him go to Adelaide at year's end.
C Curnow is a ripper and will only get better... has attitude and intensity and legit ability. Works hard.
Willo rapidly becoming the recruit of the year for us, closely followed by Marchbank.
ACOS is a rock in defense and won't stand for a team mate being badly treated. Leadership written all over him. Must be promoted to senior list.
Tractor Kreuzer created so many opportunities. The best big man on the ground by a mile. Sensational.
Docherty becoming a real general down back, makes a couple of mistakes from time to time but will take over from Simmo when the time is right.
Plowman did some very, very important things. Growing.
Some very exciting cameos from Cuningham.
Crippa.
Matty Wright does so much hard stuff off the ball, best thing we've gotten from SA in a long time.
Negatives:
First qtr and a half umpiring.
Our mistakes. Gee we gave the Kangabies some easy goals.
When we got in front it was like we cr@pped ourselves and didn't know how to press on... you could sense it at the ground. Our pressure and commitment and intensity had the Wallaroos on the ropes. I don't think it was tiredness but rather a lack of killer instinct. You could palpably see us slow once we had the lead... this is between the ears stuff.
Weitering. Half the player he was last year. If his name was Smith and he was pick 77 he'd probably be rested.
SOJ. As for Weits. If his surname wasn't Silvagni would he be getting a game? Many folks there were asking the same question at the game. Couple of young girls cracked it that anyone could question SOJ... sorry, but his strengths at present are work rate and for the marketing dept. No-one works harder but he's just not impacting the game enough.
Cuningham's work off the ball. Just too slack.
Samo does some amazing things but is fumbling too much and not hurting the opposition enough. Links well. He and ZF (and probably SOJ and Weits) need some NBs time.
Murph wasn't his usual self. Couple of very costly clangers.
(at one stage our clanger count was 5 times the number of Wallaroo errors.)
Weitering must be injured. Ben Brown burnt him off easily.
Something amiss there...
I don't believe he's being selected on name only but Jack Silvagni seems a bit down on confidence since he hurt his shoulder so a spell of a couple of games in the VFL wouldn't do him any harm.
I keep thinking about David Parkin's statement about playing more than 2 first year players in the side in the same game. I reckon he's spot on.
I don't believe he's being selected on name only but Jack Silvagni seems a bit down on confidence since he hurt his shoulder so a spell of a couple of games in the VFL wouldn't do him any harm.
As I said after last weeks game . . . . . Weiters and Jack should be either rested or dropped.
(http://)Gee I can't stand north. Every club has their share but their supporters are over represented in the toothless moron category.
Anyhoo, back to the game. Gibbs played out of his skin, and an outstanding game from kreuzer, Cripps, docherty. We had a few passengers which made the difference in the end. While some suggest weitering needs a break I think he needs to keep playing to put him on the path to the player he can be. He wasn't our worse at all. A bye for all next week will freshen a fee up.
Giving a team a 6 goal start is going to make life difficult for anyone. But we are battling to kick goals so it was quite a mountain to climb. We kicked our highest score for the season and the midfield kicked goals which was good to see
Good creative coaching too, going a 2 man forward line that got us back in the game.
Good signs. Just need to work on the consistency. That's what 2017 is all about.
I keep thinking about David Parkin's statement about playing more than 2 first year players in the side in the same game. I reckon he's spot on.
Likewise. We just looked unbalanced.
The danger is we become satisfied with 'honourable losses. Our first qtr was absolutely pathetic. Weak as water. No leadership. And that just shouldn't happen. In the end it turned out to be a game we should have won... against a notoriously inconsistent opponent. I liked BBs words after the game. Though I don't like 'iffs' I suspect had Rowe/Jones and Thomas played we would have won... bringing in a first game for the year bloke (Sumner) and Macreadie for Rowe was wrong.
Bullcrap watch the sumner watch very hard and macredie is what we want high pot key defenders who are 18-21. They are as good as they get we are 2 years away I know who's list I want. We were good just not great. I would like Byrne in that side and then I think we win.
Was at the game and liked a lot of what I saw after quarter time! Yes we played badly but ffs the umpires really helped them
Along and it's tough when you're working your guts out and getting free kick after free kick called that are at best 50/50 and which result in opposition goals! It was bullcrap.
Thought Gibbs was outstanding today and liked that Cunningham backed himself.
They will learn from that but gee it would've been a better learning experience to come from so far down to win it!
Watching the replay now... Weitering is shot.
He wasnt playing poorly because he was in the forward line. He's just plain sh#t out of form. Needs to be dropped.
Was at the game and liked a lot of what I saw after quarter time! Yes we played badly but ffs the umpires really helped them
Along and it's tough when you're working your guts out and getting free kick after free kick called that are at best 50/50 and which result in opposition goals! It was bullcrap.
Thought Gibbs was outstanding today and liked that Cunningham backed himself.
They will learn from that but gee it would've been a better learning experience to come from so far down to win it!
Umpiring.... jeeez. How many times did they get tackled and just throw the ball? We got pinged for it twice - both times we tried the same trick - them never.
Holding the ball not paid also.
I'm not overly concerned this is a "development" year we have one more draft to go to bring in more youngsters then we go for A grade free agents. We have to.
This is going to be a frustrating year and next year will be pretty much the same - but expect some improvement at the tail end of this year and win some games.
It was never going to be easy giving them a huge head start. Need to learn to keep the opponent in striking range earlier in the match. This is the fish that got away. Some negatives from this match but a few future good players to develop also.
The umpires have treated us differently for sooooo long.
After the game i was thinking the same that BB complains about the umpiring and cop the fine.
Didn't Sheedy do this type of thing?
Time we pushed back instead of complying all the time.
This is a post from an earlier game.this year.
Mmmm common theme i think :o
Can't understand the knockers - q1 aside. That was an inexcusable brain fade.
IMO: Our seniors stood up. Kruez, Gibbs, Ed, Murphy, Ed, and ASOS were solid. Our younger crew in Docherty and Crippa were effective. Both getting goals made for a much needed spread of goalkickers. Wright was quiet again as was Sumner. Sumner needs a couple in a row to recalibrate.
We fought back from a 45pt deficit.....
We kicked with accuracy and almost topped the tonne....
When it was needed, we just took the game on.....
These efforts alone are signs of progress.
Of the baby blues, I thought Zac, SOJ, Marchbank, and Samo soldiered on and will benefit from the bye. SOJ was at his best when with ball in hand, he gave Zeibell no less, the don't argue push. These are kids who will gain more than they can give at this early stage. But that's the name of the game ATM.
DC was great in his 2nd game for the year, particularly when he took the game on. He looked unpredictable and dangerous. Plowman had a better game. Charlie, well he was fantastic. Out marked some very talented senior's.
In all, a great 3q effort to be proud of and a 1q to forget!
This buy-a-flag mob flogged us by 67 and 64 in our last encounters. We went in without one of our most important KPP's, and most experienced seniors. We replaced them with kids who have a handful of games between them. They should have given us a bath, like they did the Crows ::).
But our spirited youngsters were ably led by our seniors to give them a scare. That's a win in my book....
Hope they have a restful bye, tidy up the 1q brain fades, and bring on the competition in the 2nd half of the season.
As I said after last weeks game . . . . . Weiters and Jack should be either rested or dropped.
I dont want to shoot bambi but compared to last year, Weiters has been well below par. Dunno that he will be sent to the 2s to get some form but he probably needs it. As I said in the in game thread, that swingman rubbish can GAGF.
Great effort to come back, but man Weitering has massive issues right now. I am hoping he is carrying some which if so why the fudge are we playing him and if not and he is just in bad form then he has regressed badly from last year. Maybe being thrown around has unsettled him and cant get rhythm.
I don't believe he's being selected on name only but Jack Silvagni seems a bit down on confidence since he hurt his shoulder so a spell of a couple of games in the VFL wouldn't do him any harm.
Wasn't his sort of game.
Also wasn't Sumners, SPS or Fishers.
I reckon they'll reset and see he they go in the games after the bye.
On form I'd have dropped SPS but its development, not wins.
It was never going to be easy giving them a huge head start. Need to learn to keep the opponent in striking range earlier in the match. This is the fish that got away. Some negatives from this match but a few future good players to develop also.
I dont rate North and also reckon this is a game we could have won, they are a lazy front running team who were lucky we are in a rebuild cycle and
not able to play 4 quarters of tough footy yet..
By the way...good to see you back posting Mants and hope you are keeping well....
They are very strong over the football by jeez they are slow.
Against any side that is fast or spreads well we get cut to pieces... but if the other mob is slow I always give us a chance. That's why we take the pace out of games, or at least attempt to.
Morale of the story - we need to get faster and improve our spread.
It was never going to be easy giving them a huge head start. Need to learn to keep the opponent in striking range earlier in the match. This is the fish that got away. Some negatives from this match but a few future good players to develop also.
Yep, our slow start cost us big time.
Hey Mants, great to hear from you, hope all is well.
They are very strong over the football by jeez they are slow.
And yet they pole axed the Crows!
North are rebuilding too and were expected to be down the bottom with us.
Green stick is back ;D
Welcome back mate.
There's my Green shoot for the game ;)
I dont rate North and also reckon this is a game we could have won, they are a lazy front running team who were lucky we are in a rebuild cycle and
not able to play 4 quarters of tough footy yet..
By the way...good to see you back posting Mants and hope you are keeping well....
Indeed.
North are rebuilding too and were expected to be down the bottom with us.
North cut 5 of its most experienced players at the end of last season and are in a very similar position to us as far as age and experience goes.
A major difference is that they've played regular finals and expect success, we are yet to build a winning culture.
North's ability to link up in waves and run from defence really hurt us, even if many of their players do not have huge leg speed. A number of teams have done similar things to us this year: Gold Coast comes to mind, although they DO have real leg speed on each line.
At the moment it is hard to find a specific reason for this, but our mids and forwards do not seem to be able to break the chain all that well, leading to an easy out too often. To some extent that problem is youth; guys like Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow and Pickett, in particular, do not always stick their tackles and are often caught out one man short in the ring a ring a rosy. When we break the chain we tend to do it with guys like Simpson and Docherty, who read the play well and whose tackles tend to really stick. Alex Silvagni is another who often breaks the chain with a really solid tackle or smother.
One of the other things about North is that they do have some less experienced players, but most of them have been around for a few years and have more developed bodies then our kids.
We just have to persevere, it will take time and there's no guarantee of success at the end of it all.
There are some very promising signs but most clubs in the lower quarter of the ladder can say the same, our immediate priority surely must be to recruit a strong forward target because that is the glaring weakness in our side.
Ben Brown is no A grade player but he's big, strong and mobile and wasn't a high draft pick, they are out there if you know where to look.
Good to see Waite is still a flog. So glad someone with such a smarta*se attitude is no longer at our Club.
SOJ shown little for weeks Maybe time for a bit of a confidence boost in the 2nds
SPS not the same since Rising Star nom, but what he does, he does well
Weiteting havimg 2nd year blues
Still not sold on Graham
Cripps has to stop thinking he's the Incredible Hulk and trying to take on half the opposition.
Too many fumbles and dumb decisions at crucial stages cost us
I know we ve got a couple of talented key forwards developing in the 2nds, but looking forward to the day they start playing at AFL level, as our forward line is really crying out for key position targets.
Had them on toast way in the last and should ve just finished them off, but crapped ourselves when the going got tough just like on the Ders and Saints games.
To be expected I guess when you work so hard just to get back in the game, but it'd be nice if we could jag one of these games soon.
Very impressed with Cunningham yesterday. How good is it finally having a super talented bunch of kids coming through at the same time. Early days I know, but reckon we ve absolutely NAILED the past two drafts.
Very impressed with Cunningham yesterday. How good is it finally having a super talented bunch of kids coming through at the same time. Early days I know, but reckon we ve absolutely NAILED the past two drafts.
Particularly since the guy that many wanted to be drafted instead of Cunningham was Kieran Collins, a 194cm FB type who has only managed 1 game despite the Dogs being pretty undersized in defence. We've now got heaps of tall defenders but elite young mids are in short supply (leaving aside Cripps of course).
It was never going to be easy giving them a huge head start. Need to learn to keep the opponent in striking range earlier in the match. This is the fish that got away. Some negatives from this match but a few future good players to develop also.
Green Stick Old Son, great to see you back. :)
Green shoots galore.
Jack, Fisher and SPS need a spell in the twos to find some touch and confidence
Perhaps could have won that game if Jaksch, Smedts and Palmer played.
Yuck... What good will that do. We lost a game of footy Sunday, but will be winning them in 2 years time. Forget the scoreboard this year.
I would have played Smedts for Mcreadie and that would have been my only change.
A Poster mentioned we have been in front in the last quarter vs Melbourne, Saints and North and run out of legs. Could be 5-4... But thats the challenge of playing young kids.
Cuningham was a standout for mine. Gee he hits the contest with ferocity and can break packs open and shrug tackles. 2 goals was reward for effort and had another gettable which would have made 3 snags. I was rapt for him. He gives our midfield a different option/type with his mix of genuine grunt/inside work and break-away pace on the outside. he'll hurt teams. cannot understand all the negative talk about this boy who's just started his 2nd season at the Blues, and had injuries himself last year.
Guys like Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni and Fisher offered some serious hope and bite around the contest.
Then we've got - Weitering, Marchbank, Petrevski-Seton, Williamson and Macreadie.
On top this group, we have - Docherty, Cripps, Plowman, Pickett, Polson and Byrne. All young.
That's 15 young blokes for a start! That's the building blocks right there for our next Premiership!!!
Add in others such as the untried - McKay, Kerr, Glass-McCasker and Lebois.
Maybe - Jacob Hopper and/or Matt Kennedy among others too, plus more 2017 draftees and potential FA/trades. It's excitement plus!
In 2018 we have young Ben Silvagni in the frame also let's not forget. We'll all be watching his development with a keen eye this and more particularly, next year!
As others have said, i think BB and co. have simply got the mix (senior/older to young/inexperienced) wrong on a few occasions.
Doesn't help that Weitering is clearly very sore/tired/jaded and SoJ looks yippy.
SPS too not really giving a lot and Macreadie had done diddly in the 2s to earn a recall when Jaksch and White both had had very serviceable games....
Hopefully Jones will be good to go after the break. He may have been the difference if fit yesterday?
Can I just say - FINALLY, we see Docherty in the midfield mix. Gee he hurts oppositions forward of centre. A real game changer for mine. I know he's great off half-back, but he's a mid/winger of the highest quality at AFL level for mine! Just needs time there.
Williamson showing signs of having the ability to play further up the ground in and around the contest too. Lovely size and mix of skill and G&D.
Hopefully, we can get the two Irish lads back playing really good and exciting AFL football in the backline to help Simpson and release Docherty further afield.
Two emerging mids ($400-$500k a season types with some runs on the board already) a priority.
Cuningham looks like the type who will get there if given the opportunity (but flounders if left in the 2s).
Darn glad we missed out on Caddy...
Can I just say - FINALLY, we see Docherty in the midfield mix. Gee he hurts oppositions forward of centre. A real game changer for mine. I know he's great off half-back, but he's a mid/winger of the highest quality at AFL level for mine! Just needs time there.
Williamson showing signs of having the ability to play further up the ground in and around the contest too. Lovely size and mix of skill and G&D.
Hopefully, we can get the two Irish lads back playing really good and exciting AFL football in the backline to help Simpson and release Docherty further afield.
He looked unstoppable running to the 50 line, didn't he!
Much to like....
Higgins seem to have a few opponents but none were able to subdue him IMO and we suffered everytime he got the footy.....
Agree EB - this is the 4th week in a row we have been cut up by the opposition's small forward - Robbie Gray against Port, Billings against the Saints, Wolters against the Dockers and now Higgins. Not sure who would be our best option to mark these types, but it's an element of our gameplan that we definitely need to put some work into.
As others have said, i think BB and co. have simply got the mix (senior/older to young/inexperienced) wrong on a few occasions.
Doesn't help that Weitering is clearly very sore/tired/jaded and SoJ looks yippy.
SPS too not really giving a lot and Macreadie had done diddly in the 2s to earn a recall when Jaksch and White both had had very serviceable games....
Hopefully Jones will be good to go after the break. He may have been the difference if fit yesterday?
Agree and if they are sore and tired - get the likes of Polson and McKay/Kerr in. Even Boekhorst if he's playing well enough. Let's see if there has been any improvement in him in the VFL.
Liam Jones a lock for mine when fit!
I dont want to shoot bambi but compared to last year, Weiters has been well below par. Dunno that he will be sent to the 2s to get some form but he probably needs it. As I said in the in game thread, that swingman rubbish can GAGF.
I don't think Weits has been the same since he hurt his shoulder last year in round 6 against essendon. I remember at the time he was interviewed and said he had never been injured before, which I can understand being a big kid in junior footy. I think the pain shocked him a bit and he has lost his confidence. Doesn't seem to be attacking the ball with abandon like he did when he first arrived especially with his marking. Hasn't helped that he has got a few more knocks since. Just need to give him time I reckon to get his confidence back and the club I'm sure will be supporting him with that. One good game where he clunks a few marks and dominates an opponent is all it will take to get him back on track IMO.
Love the kid so hope he gets the help he needs to turn it around.
I don't think Weits has been the same since he hurt his shoulder last year in round 6 against essendon. I remember at the time he was interviewed and said he had never been injured before, which I can understand being a big kid in junior footy.
Not quite correct, he's not been injured but he's been hurt more than once. I watched from the boundary line as he was carted off in an ambulance after being pole-axed by two opponents in a senior school football match, and I've seen him sat on the bench after a head clash in junior football.
Doesn't seem to be attacking the ball with abandon like he did when he first arrived especially with his marking. Hasn't helped that he has got a few more knocks since. Just need to give him time I reckon to get his confidence back and the club I'm sure will be supporting him with that.
I think it is more to do with the focus of his opponents, his game has now been pulled apart by opposition tactical coaches and he's got the 2nd year blues like any other player! Right now he's learning to deal with it, but I agree it doesn't help having him out of form while he's busy trying to sort his way through having opposition focus. They have sowed seeds of doubt, he has to learn to trust his instincts again!
Switching him forward may have even slowed his progress.
Late this year or next year, barring injury or bad luck, he'll be back to his very best.
Plus lets keep expectations in perspective. Weitering isn't like Zach Merrett, Weitering can't run around the ground gathering ineffective uncontested possessions and expect to get a pat on the back. Weitering has to win contested possessions and have high disposal efficiency just to get a pass mark!
Merrett averages
70% uncontested possessions at 60% efficiency.
Weitering averages
50% contested possessions at 80% efficiency.
Not bad for a bloke we think isn't at his best! :o
Yuck... What good will that do. We lost a game of footy Sunday, but will be winning them in 2 years time. Forget the scoreboard this year.
I would have played Smedts for Mcreadie and that would have been my only change.
A Poster mentioned we have been in front in the last quarter vs Melbourne, Saints and North and run out of legs. Could be 5-4... But thats the challenge of playing young kids.
I know we all know it but I like to write it anyway: Carlton fielded a team with
9 players aged 18-20. North zero. And we came back from 8 goals down to almost win!
If you rounded up all the 18-20 year olds on Norths list and put them in the team against us on the weekend we'd have absolutely destroyed them. I like Bolton's "no honorable losses" message but that was some achievement.
We are absolutely on the right path. I don't mind if Palmer / Smedts / ASOS or any of the other slightly older guys come in and earn their keep. The kids are all class and there is a huge group of them coming in all together. We've got shedloads of space in the salary cap to hopefully pick out a couple of key midfielders who are also in the right age bracket (read not Fyfe).
Question needs to be asked.
https://www.zerohanger.com/breaking-round-10-mrp-results-12662/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
North Melbourne’s Ryan Clarke can accept a $1000 fine for rough conduct on Carlton’s Matthew Wright on Sunday afternoon.
If that hit was deemed an MRP incident, then how on earth wasnt it a free kick down field??
Question needs to be asked.
https://www.zerohanger.com/breaking-round-10-mrp-results-12662/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
If that hit was deemed an MRP incident, then how on earth wasnt it a free kick down field??
i thought the head was sacrosanct?!!
head high, deliberate, high impact and cops a $1500 fine.
Shameful.
Question needs to be asked.
https://www.zerohanger.com/breaking-round-10-mrp-results-12662/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
If that hit was deemed an MRP incident, then how on earth wasnt it a free kick down field??
Did Wright kick a goal from that free? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
Yuck... What good will that do. We lost a game of footy Sunday, but will be winning them in 2 years time. Forget the scoreboard this year.
I would have played Smedts for Mcreadie and that would have been my only change.
A Poster mentioned we have been in front in the last quarter vs Melbourne, Saints and North and run out of legs. Could be 5-4... But thats the challenge of playing young kids.
Yes, think that was me. I took it as a good sign that with young kids that we are very competitive. Another step of development and we win those games. Very promising.
Did Wright kick a goal from that free? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
There was no free. Casboult marked Wright's kick about 15m outside the 50.
Young Jack and SPS have talent to burn - but young men in their teens are still developing bodies.
They will both be very good but every now and then need a refresher course in the twos to regain touch and confidence,
I am sure by the time they are 21-23 years old they will be very good players for us and that goes for Jack, SPS, Charlie, Marchy, Williamson, McKay, Fisher, Cunningham, Polsen, Kerr, Macreadie..
They probably will or probably not be A graders but role players - definitely.
For me, this game was a stand out.
For 10 + years when we were on the receiving end of a block of unanswered goals, we would capitulate. We were expected to do the same
Yesterday, sure the box and players lost concentration for a bit, but what happened after was a turning point in growth and confidence.
# 28, grew in confidence, 31 keeps growing, 30 is showing signs. 22 is a star
4 played a blinder, 15 is a warrior 8 keeps giving, 9 is courageous and #3 needs to learn courage from #9
#3 walked of the ground looking too fresh for mine.
fk, how can i forget #44
to me, this guy has been a revelation of 2017 and has added the right amount of c*nt in that backline
the only shame is, he's 29 and plays better than ever in a CFC jumper. Hope we get another 2 - 3 years out of him
I agree with your post. I think SPS is actually turning out to be like another Yarran. Has gone soft. Silvangni is not working hard enough either.
Dont think he is soft and he does put his head over the footy but he is a small bodied player and gets pushed off the ball easily....one of his main problems is when he doesnt have the footy he doesnt think about defending and leaves his man alone too much...Marley Williams really hurt us coming out of defense with his good disposal and was SPS's man especially in the early parts of the game.
May need a spell in the NB's to learn some of the accountability facets of the game....got no doubt he will make it though and become an exciting player for us...
It's funny..we see different things.
I thought SPS was pretty solid in the second with his tackling and pressure.
Checked his stats at half time and at that stage he was equal leader in our tackle count.
The week before he actually led the count for the game.
His size is a problem at present and tackles can be broken but for a first year player that's not an issue for me if the effort is there.
I tell you what reading this all our kids were crap and we still hit the lead in the last quarter... Bloody hell, the other 14 or so players must have played their best ever games.
You play 9 kids 22 or under and it is tough, but they are seriously having a go and I think there is a lot to like. I don't care about wins, it is far less important to me that we win games, than to see all players having a go and improving, which I think is obvious.
I want to win, I was screaming at the screen, but there is a lot to like about the way we are doing things this season.
Question needs to be asked.
https://www.zerohanger.com/breaking-round-10-mrp-results-12662/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
If that hit was deemed an MRP incident, then how on earth wasnt it a free kick down field??
Exactly, 3 Leos. That hit happened in front of us and the umpire was only about 10 metres away and just starred like a stunned mullet... the crowd gave him heaps. There were a number of baffling decisions in the first half.
For me, this game was a stand out.
For 10 + years when we were on the receiving end of a block of unanswered goals, we would capitulate. We were expected to do the same
Yesterday, sure the box and players lost concentration for a bit, but what happened after was a turning point in growth and confidence.
# 28, grew in confidence, 31 keeps growing, 30 is showing signs. 22 is a star
4 played a blinder, 15 is a warrior 8 keeps giving, 9 is courageous and #3 needs to learn courage from #9
#3 walked of the ground looking too fresh for mine.
You missed #6. Another top game and is aging like a fine wine.
I tell you what reading this all our kids were crap and we still hit the lead in the last quarter... Bloody hell, the other 14 or so players must have played their best ever games.
You play 9 kids 22 or under and it is tough, but they are seriously having a go and I think there is a lot to like. I don't care about wins, it is far less important to me that we win games, than to see all players having a go and improving, which I think is obvious.
I want to win, I was screaming at the screen, but there is a lot to like about the way we are doing things this season.
Agree totally. This lot usually wipes the floor with us. But not this time ;)
Can't expect much more than that from this mix of players.
I watched Silvagni (Jack) attempt 5 tackles running at full pelt in order to create a turnover in the last quarter. He ran himself ragged trying to keep the ball in our forward half. Another preseason or two and he would have nailed one of them. Tried his guts. Out as did the other teenagers. Eventually it will turn.
Dont think he is soft and he does put his head over the footy but he is a small bodied player and gets pushed off the ball easily....one of his main problems is when he doesnt have the footy he doesnt think about defending and leaves his man alone too much...Marley Williams really hurt us coming out of defense with his good disposal and was SPS's man especially in the early parts of the game.
May need a spell in the NB's to learn some of the accountability facets of the game....got no doubt he will make it though and become an exciting player for us...
just watched it again, can't agree at all re SPS or Marley for that matter.
Thought Murphy had a shocker....
#30 very good.
plenty of good stuff from all thr kids, Graham included....just lack one extra quality mid....
I thought Graham showed some improvement. He was fearless getting in doing the hard stuff. My only criticism remains his disposal. All his hard work went to the opposition quite a few times. Gee if he can improve that, he'll be in for a call up more weeks than not.
just watched it again, can't agree at all re SPS or Marley for that matter.
Thought Murphy had a shocker....
#30 very good.
plenty of good stuff from all thr kids, Graham included....just lack one extra quality mid....
Marley had 24 possies....thats way too many for a backpocket.....SPS had 7 possies, Sumner who most rated as poor had 8 .....not sure how I see we won that position.
Our best forward pocket in Wright keeps getting used up the ground and I reckon he needs to stay forward more...
Graham won the ball ok but his effectiveness with the footy is still an issue IMO.
Murphy had Dumont for company through the game....agree that Murphy wasnt great and Dumont was an effective player IMO...
Marley had 24 possies....thats way too many for a backpocket.....SPS had 7 possies, Sumner who most rated as poor had 8 .....not sure how I see we won that position.
Our best forward pocket in Wright keeps getting used up the ground and I reckon he needs to stay forward more...
Graham won the ball ok but his effectiveness with the footy is still an issue IMO.
Murphy had Dumont for company through the game....agree that Murphy wasnt great and Dumont was an effective player IMO...
Yes, we noticed Wright was playing at HBF for a lot of the game and did some decent work there, obviously playing a role. Agree, he seems far better value though as a small forward who knows where the goals are.
I watched Silvagni (Jack) attempt 5 tackles running at full pelt in order to create a turnover in the last quarter. He ran himself ragged trying to keep the ball in our forward half. Another preseason or two and he would have nailed one of them. Tried his guts. Out as did the other teenagers. Eventually it will turn.
His kicking may be way off at the moment, and I would defer to others as to whether a stint in the 2s might be the answer, but my god, his endeavour and effort just can't be questioned.
He runs so hard in both directions.
I thought the skipper was pretty good. Not as effective as he could have been but still got us going the right way.
Ive stopped looking at numbers and started looking at effectiveness. Zac Fisher and Liam Sumner were not far off either.
I thought the skipper was pretty good. Not as effective as he could have been but still got us going the right way.
Ive stopped looking at numbers and started looking at effectiveness. Zac Fisher and Liam Sumner were not far off either.
Yes, Murphy was good, not as good as he has been, but then again opposition clubs can't just let him run riot and he would certainly be attracting some attention at the moment. I've noticed in the last few weeks his tackling has dropped off, I wonder if that a sign of an injury, or maybe that Aints crap has had a real effect.
See Stats HERE (http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1620#ind)
Still he's a bloody good player.
I thought Bolton's 8 man defence changed the game but it is a taxing game plan and I think we ran out of legs in the final quarter.
This may work for a full game when the youngsters have a more pre-seasons under the belt but I am not sure if it will win us too many games playing this way this season.
I thought Bolton's 8 man defence changed the game but it is a taxing game plan and I think we ran out of legs in the final quarter.
This may work for a full game when the youngsters have a more pre-seasons under the belt but I am not sure if it will win us too many games playing this way this season.
I'd hope that the lesson learned is work harder earlier and we won't have to run you into the ground at the end!
I'd hope that the lesson learned is work harder earlier and we won't have to run you into the ground at the end!
I agree.
This is the first time I had an opportunity to go to a game this year and despite the loss and the 1st quarter, it was enjoyable. I like the look of the youngsters.
I am still somewhat concerned that we are so reliant on our aging players like Murph, Gibbs and Kruze in the midfield. Hopefully we have a strong focus on recruiting quality midfielders in the off season.
Yes, we noticed Wright was playing at HBF for a lot of the game and did some decent work there, obviously playing a role. Agree, he seems far better value though as a small forward who knows where the goals are.
I don't think we can afford a stay at home small forward and Wright provides value wherever he plays. He really was a great addition to the list.
Samo and Sumner didn't have much impact and I guess that means we missed Wright's presence in the forward 50.
I don't think we can afford a stay at home small forward and Wright provides value wherever he plays. He really was a great addition to the list.
Samo and Sumner didn't have much impact and I guess that means we missed Wright's presence in the forward 50.
We should be able to play him forward more as we improve our midfield. Whether that will be this year or next I guess we'll see.
I tell you what reading this all our kids were crap and we still hit the lead in the last quarter... Bloody hell, the other 14 or so players must have played their best ever games.
You play 9 kids 22 or under and it is tough, but they are seriously having a go and I think there is a lot to like. I don't care about wins, it is far less important to me that we win games, than to see all players having a go and improving, which I think is obvious.
I want to win, I was screaming at the screen, but there is a lot to like about the way we are doing things this season.
14 Kids 22 and Under
lol at SPS comment.... Stop trolling. (not you MIO)
Kid had 0 Pre-Season --- 0. Draftees don't start till December anyway and have a break come Christmas. He was injured for 4 weeks and played round one.
has dropped off a little and running on the spot. Had 10 tackles last week and 5 this week. So he's still impacting the contest....
Why is he like Yarran? Plays a completely different style of game than Chris did. Is this a racial thing? A Pick 6 thing?
Why is he like Yarran? Plays a completely different style of game than Chris did. Is this a racial thing? A Pick 6 thing?
Because IBWT is probably a troll! :o
I don't think we can afford a stay at home small forward and Wright provides value wherever he plays. He really was a great addition to the list.
Samo and Sumner didn't have much impact and I guess that means we missed Wright's presence in the forward 50.
Agree he is a great addition to the list and one of my fav players but when he doesnt kick goals we usually struggle and he is one of the very few who can kick straight on a regular basis.
So I find it odd we are using him up the ground as much as we are and as Cookie pointed out I found the half back flank a strange place for him to be playing....
I agree with your post. I think SPS is actually turning out to be like another Yarran. Has gone soft. Silvangni is not working hard enough either.
Jack works hard, he just has limited athletic ability.
SPS has won more inside ball in a couple of months than Yarran did in his whole career.
Jack works hard, he just has limited athletic ability.
SPS has won more inside ball in a couple of months than Yarran did in his whole career.
Thank You!
Jack has 1-1/2 Pre seasons from a low base. (Didn't play much under 18's footy) and spending a fair bit in the gym and is 19 years old.
Thank You!
Jack has 1-1/2 Pre seasons from a low base. (Didn't play much under 18's footy) and spending a fair bit in the gym and is 19 years old.
At the moment Jack is showing the relative lack of preparation. He is improving, but he doesn't stick his tackles yet and he does get our-bodied. It will be different in a couple of years: a bit of work on his first few metres, a grip of steel that doesn't get broken and a general win in the body work and he is a different player.
Because IBWT is probably a troll! :o
He's Mozzie with a new name taken from his teams forum name Inhirdwetrust, that name didn't go so well hahaha
I agree.
This is the first time I had an opportunity to go to a game this year and despite the loss and the 1st quarter, it was enjoyable. I like the look of the youngsters.
I am still somewhat concerned that we are so reliant on our aging players like Murph, Gibbs and Kruze in the midfield. Hopefully we have a strong focus on recruiting quality midfielders in the off season.
Exactly. Hopefully securing a marquee player or two is midfield focussed.
You missed #6. Another top game and is aging like a fine wine.
week in week out. goes without saying.
He will finish his career when ever that will be, esteemed as one of the finest, courageous , and loyal servant of the club.
Play your heart out like its your last game in a defensive unit that got nailed for the better part of 10 years, will never go unnoticed
week in week out. goes without saying.
He will finish his career when ever that will be, esteemed as one of the finest, courageous , and loyal servant of the club.
Play your heart out like its your last game in a defensive unit that got nailed for the better part of 10 years, will never go unnoticed
and that there is why he is my favourite CFC player of ALL time.
and that there is why he is my favourite CFC player of ALL time.
He's far from my favourite player ... but I completely understand why younger folk would pick him.
I hope he goes on for another couple of years, cracks the 300 game barrier and experiences finals success; he deserves it!
He's far from my favourite player ... but I completely understand why younger folk would pick him.
I hope he goes on for another couple of years, cracks the 300 game barrier and experiences finals success; he deserves it!
I ain't young
I ain't young
Younger than me G2C :)
Younger than me G2C :)
probably not by much
I do love Simmo and if he had played in our peak era he would be remembered as one of the greatest because he would have cut loose more often from the hb down the wings.
His is a shining light for professionalism and have a real red hot go and making the most of what you are born with.
I have never had an opposition supporting mate of mine say a bad word about Simmo, I think he is pretty universally respected.
Only Bradley, Doull, Nicholls and Silvagni have played 300 games for Carlton. Simpson hopefully will be joining them next year.
We should swoop and give pick 2 for Kelly on mega deal to be honest
My favourite Simpson story
This happened in the game
[flash=400,400]https://www.youtube.com/v/sGlXdgT6ukY[/flash]
Bob Murphy talks about it on 360
[flash=400,400]https://www.youtube.com/v/hlozk6eNJxs[/flash]
:))
We don't need Simpson being ironed out by that spineless turd to know he's tough.
And as for those useless bastards on 360..........
We should swoop and give pick 2 for Kelly on mega deal to be honest
Disagree...no more mega deals and not for an unproven player.....really what has Kelly done?, he is no Dangerfield or Martin...
Younger than me G2C :)
I think i'm younger than you too and that's saying something...lol!
Disagree...no more mega deals and not for an unproven player.....really what has Kelly done?, he is no Dangerfield or Martin...
EB - have you watched this kid play? I'm surprised it's sounds like you don't rate him highly.
Ever since the media has spoken about these media offers he is being offered Ive watched him closely.
He is some sort of a player. Quick deadly accurate with ball in hand and kick goals. As it stands he is in the top few mids in the comp. But the difference they are older and already at their peak.
His kid hasn't peaked yet. At worst will be a star mid for the next 10 years - but could easily be the best player in the comp from next year on.
For the same dollars would pick him over Fyfe or Martin in a heartbeat.
EB - have you watched this kid play? I'm surprised it's sounds like you don't rate him highly.
Ever since the media has spoken about these media offers he is being offered Ive watched him closely.
He is some sort of a player. Quick deadly accurate with ball in hand and kick goals. As it stands he is in the top few mids in the comp. But the difference they are older and already at their peak.
His kid hasn't peaked yet. At worst will be a star mid for the next 10 years - but could easily be the best player in the comp from next year on.
For the same dollars would pick him over Fyfe or Martin in a heartbeat.
Shawny...reckon he will stay with GWS and while I think he is a good player I dont think he is a great one, kicks the ball well in a Nick Dal Santo fashion and accumulates the ball but
I dont think is a high impact player like Dangerfield, Martin etc and I also dont think he would give us that extra physical edge on the ball we need..
I dont think is a high impact player like Dangerfield, Martin etc and I also dont think he would give us that extra physical edge on the ball we need..
I agree, but he's young. I would not pay too much for him as he may not prove durable.
Kelly would be ranked up there with Cripps, Merret and Bontampelli as the best youngsters in the comp and putting Kelly with Cripps in middle for next 10 years is drool material
Kelly would be ranked up there with Cripps, Merret and Bontampelli as the best youngsters in the comp and putting Kelly with Cripps in middle for next 10 years is drool material
Merrett is a great ball user who delivers 60% worthless and unaccountable possessions, if Gibbs played like that and our supporters would want him kiboshed.
But the fact those teams are scrapping over the line in recent games shows you how worthless the disposals of Kelly and Merrett really are.
Bontempelli is a different type of player altogether and not relevant to the likes of Kelly or Merrett.
Merrett is a great ball user who delivers 60% worthless and unaccountable possessions, if Gibbs played like that and our supporters would want him kiboshed.
But the fact those teams are scrapping over the line in recent games shows you how worthless the disposals of Kelly and Merrett really are.
Bontempelli is a different type of player altogether and not relevant to the likes of Kelly or Merrett.
Yeh Nah
People need to start realising a multi- All-Australian talent when they see it..anyway not hell bent over it - but hope the club tries and dangles pick 2 to get him
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Yeh Nah
People need to start realising a multi- All-Australian talent when they see it..anyway not hell bent over it - but hope the club tries and dangles pick 2 to get him
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Yeah Nah, I get it.
He's a fast running midfielder in a team that largely allows the opposition to stream out of defence to a turnover zone so that space opens up and they can counter-attack using superior foot speed and disposal skills. But reality is in that GWS team with those players around them everybody looks better than they are probably going to be at any other club, go ask Boyd. As for a shed load of stoppage clearances, a bloke called Mumford has a fair bit to say about who stands tall and gets the ball.
Despite having all those dominant stats collectors, they limped over the line against the busted ar5e lolly smashing CheatsFC in what was effectively a shoot-out with neither team making it to 60 tackles, the AFL season low average is 59 tackles to Freo! Not even 1 tackle for every two minutes of football, was it touch footy?
Yeah Nah, I get it.
He's a fast running midfielder in a team that largely allows the opposition to stream out of defence to a turnover zone so that space opens up and they can counter-attack using superior foot speed and disposal skills. But reality is in that GWS team with those players around them everybody looks better than they are probably going to be at any other club, go ask Boyd. As for a shed load of stoppage clearances, a bloke called Mumford has a fair bit to say about who stands tall and gets the ball.
Despite having all those dominant stats collectors, they limped over the line against the busted ar5e lolly smashing CheatsFC in what was effectively a shoot-out with neither team making it to 60 tackles, the AFL season low average is 59 tackles to Freo! Not even 1 tackle for every two minutes of football, was it touch footy?
I'm a little with LP on this one....no more putting all the eggs in 1 basket please. If Norf want to squander all of their salary cap on a bloke like this.....good on 'em.
Champion team will always etc etc.
cheers
Mal.
Its really simple.
North throw big dollars at players, go after their younguns, who need a bit more of their fair share of the pie, and bring them here.
Not the older types, but the ones that we can oust out of there easily enough.
Get us a Trent Dumont, or a Mason Wood whilst they are off chasing other blokes.
Its really simple.
North throw big dollars at players, go after their younguns, who need a bit more of their fair share of the pie, and bring them here.
Not the older types, but the ones that we can oust out of there easily enough.
Get us a Trent Dumont, or a Mason Wood whilst they are off chasing other blokes.
Now that would be sweet
$1.2 mln over 7 years is not really putting eggs in one basket with 3rd party deals etc
Salary cap moving from $10.8 mil to $12 mil and will need a couple of $1 mln p.a rated players in the midfield.
You would offer that deal to a future multi All Australian.