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Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #45
temay sounds to be another disappointment
@ pick 35,

Like I always say if you pick very small players they have to have very good skills or an edge to their game like extreme pace....his maidn claim to fame was high endurance which is good but I would have thought expected in a smaller running player.
Temay seems to be just run of the mill in most aspects of the game though  and he was a strange choice IMO....coupled with the fact he had made his name at U18 level as a small defender yet straight after his name was called out Rodgers said he was seen as a midfielder......what about recruiting a specialist midfielder ...there's an idea?

his name hasn't been mentioned at all in a press for selection - might prove me wrong after 12 months
but we're world champions in the list clogger stakes
traditionally there have been some nuggets between pick 30 and 60
for the life of me - even for speculative purposes, wasn't there a mongrel defender above 6'2 in that same range?

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #46
Sorry but no to O'Keefe!

Sure he had the worst run with injury but why does he get a game on the back of one good game?

I acknowledge that Bootsma had a shocker but to drop him would be the easy choice. He comes across as a bit of an introvert, so hopefully MM goes to him and says you had a crap game but I believe in what you've got so we are going to back you in. Get out there and prove me right.

Play him on the HB flank against a non body player.

bootsma needs preseason at my nonna
that will fix the one out problem

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #47
I went home at 3/4 time in disgust and missed out highest scoring term (such is life) so the following comments relate only to the first 3/4.

Carlton-listed players in descending order of usefulness

The first 4 played well enough to be considered for senior selection next round if there are any vacancies.

Rhys O’Keeffe = Played with dash and vigour – another strong bullocking game
David Ellard = Outstanding first half – looked weary in the send half but kept on keeping on
Jaryd Cachia = Solid midfield performer
Aaron Joseph = Easily our best defender – always gives his all
Nick Duigan = Played as a lead up forward with periods in defence – probably our best forward – nothing to write home about
Frazer Dale = Tried hard and racked up possessions but not particularly productive – too slow
Andrew Collins = Played as leading forward – provided dash but not much on the scoreboard
Sam Rowe = One great mark and goal but not much else
Pat McCarthy = Couple of strong spoils – one of his better games but thoroughly outpointed by his opponent – had 9 possessions to ¾ time but not one was contested – weak link
Kane Lucas = very disappointing lack of effort - insipid
Marcus Davies = Consistently beaten on the lead – on a par with McCarthy
Tom Temay = Not much to say – did not impress – too slow – too small
Luke Mitchell = Should have played in the early game because he can’t buy a kick at this level – it’s like starting one man short – had one possession to ¾ time and that was courtesy of a holding free kick in a marking contest when he would not have got near the ball anyway – weakest link
Jeremy Laidler = Did not play
Dylan Buckley = Did not play – I heard he is done for the season

Of the better performed Preston boys, Marcon was the best player for the Blues; Lambert was a little quieter than usual (spent a long period off the ground early in the game before returning to play well); Meece tried hard but was towelled up by NM ruckman Currie.
Thanks, RR, Pity there wasn't a heap of positives to report.
I read about Mitchell with much disappointment. He showed a fair bit as an U18. I was quite happy we picked him up. However....
You are right: this season it is like having a man less on the ground. I don't think he would have 20 possessions in 10 games.
At least he makes the decision on his future a relatively easy one.

I am also disappointed to read about Lucas, who has improved a fair bit this year. His form has dropped away remarkably. If he could respond like Robbo did, he would never need to: he wouldn't be dropped.

Tom Temay has also been a disappointment. I expected a lot more from him. He may get another chance as he is very young. At least he could get a few run - with roles, as that was how he performed best last year.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #48
Sorry but no to O'Keefe!

Sure he had the worst run with injury but why does he get a game on the back of one good game?

I acknowledge that Bootsma had a shocker but to drop him would be the easy choice. He comes across as a bit of an introvert, so hopefully MM goes to him and says you had a crap game but I believe in what you've got so we are going to back you in. Get out there and prove me right.

Play him on the HB flank against a non body player.


Okeefe is playing for his career...Bootsma isnt...Okeefe is also more physically developed and we need stronger bodies in the seniors.....we need a good kicking half back flanker with Scotland close to retiring and Gibbs now more likely to be playing further up the ground. Big rewards if Okeefe makes it as a player and Bootsma has time on his side to develop...

O'Keefe is in his fifth year and has had serious injuries every year, people complain about Waite only managing to play half the season, from why I know about O'Keefe he can kick but he's not quick and not a defender in the true sense.

Clear out the rubbish Dale, Collins, O'Keefe, Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Joseph etc. We know what they bring and it's just not up to standard. Get some youth in there, speed, size and mongrel. Leave the 190cm projects alone, if they're short then they must have speed, get real mids, get some real size, just get some players. Hughes and Rogers, you're days are hopefully numbered, time for a fresh set of eyes this list with its high number of first rounders should be better and the people to blame are the recruiters.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #49
Sorry but no to O'Keefe!

Sure he had the worst run with injury but why does he get a game on the back of one good game?

I acknowledge that Bootsma had a shocker but to drop him would be the easy choice. He comes across as a bit of an introvert, so hopefully MM goes to him and says you had a crap game but I believe in what you've got so we are going to back you in. Get out there and prove me right.

Play him on the HB flank against a non body player.


Okeefe is playing for his career...Bootsma isnt...Okeefe is also more physically developed and we need stronger bodies in the seniors.....we need a good kicking half back flanker with Scotland close to retiring and Gibbs now more likely to be playing further up the ground. Big rewards if Okeefe makes it as a player and Bootsma has time on his side to develop...

O'Keefe is in his fifth year and has had serious injuries every year, people complain about Waite only managing to play half the season, from why I know about O'Keefe he can kick but he's not quick and not a defender in the true sense.

Clear out the rubbish Dale, Collins, O'Keefe, Mitchell, McCarthy, Davies, Joseph etc. We know what they bring and it's just not up to standard. Get some youth in there, speed, size and mongrel. Leave the 190cm projects alone, if they're short then they must have speed, get real mids, get some real size, just get some players. Hughes and Rogers, you're days are hopefully numbered, time for a fresh set of eyes this list with its high number of first rounders should be better and the people to blame are the recruiters.

No arguments from me about clearing out the rubbish...just make sure its a skip and not your normal council bin because we need to stack it high...
Fair point about Waite and the comparison with Okeefe is fair enough.....ROK is long odds to make it especially with his injury history but so was Dean Rice when Stkilda dumped him....also agree he is probably a one trick pony with his kicking but so was Stewie Dew and he was a dual premiership player. I just want another couple of looks at ROK before we send him to that skip on the naturestrip....

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #50
Sorry but no to O'Keefe!

Sure he had the worst run with injury but why does he get a game on the back of one good game?

I acknowledge that Bootsma had a shocker but to drop him would be the easy choice. He comes across as a bit of an introvert, so hopefully MM goes to him and says you had a crap game but I believe in what you've got so we are going to back you in. Get out there and prove me right.

Play him on the HB flank against a non body player.

I agree. Mick played him on jack for development reasons. Why would he then drop bootsma? Bootsma stays.

Glad to hear about ROK's performance though. He will be kept for next year.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #51
Dew had the runs on the board and you bring up Dew I'll raise you a Hartlett again a big kick and size but injured all the time, how long did we hold our for this guy.

I want to give experience to the guys who have shown they can play and at least get on the park, not cross our fingers and hope we have a gem when more likely than not it's just a polished turd.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #52
Sounds to me that ROK should be given a chance to prove he should stay on our list next year. He's been plagued by injury so we need to at least give him one last chance - if we don't we may be hurting ourselves, especially if another club picked him up and he flourished.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #53
Sounds to me that ROK should be given a chance to prove he should stay on our list next year. He's been plagued by injury so we need to at least give him one last chance - if we don't we may be hurting ourselves, especially if another club picked him up and he flourished.

This is where our recruiting has been wrong, surely 5 years is long enough. It's not like he was elite when he gt to the club. He's been given two chances now, an extra year after his initial contract and now two on the rookie list.

What is it with out recycled rookies at the moment, is it laziness by the recruiters? Get some young hungry kids on the list, the next Garlett or Casboult could be coming. We already knew that Collins, O'Keefe and Dale were not up to it.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #54
ROK when he gets on the park looks like he has promise.   Doesn't seem to have any glaring deficiencies in his game unlike so many on our list.  

Hartlett even when fit struggled to have any sort of impact at VFL level.   To be honest regardless of his body I don't think he had the ability to make.

It's really a question for the doctors.   I really like the kid.   Think of it as taking a unknown 23 year old out of the State Leagues.

We shouldn't have too much issue delisting the 6-7 needed.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #55
@Ray/Shakin'

Under normal circumstances I would agree that he's had his chance, time to move him on. However, I've been reading very encouraging things recently about ROK and even in the past when, on the rare occasions he wasn't injured, reports on him were positive. I'm sure, if all this is true, he would, on balance, be a better bet than some totally untried young kid from the late rounds of the draft?

It would seem a big shame to get rid of him now when he seems finally to be coming good?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #56
Sounds to me that ROK should be given a chance to prove he should stay on our list next year. He's been plagued by injury so we need to at least give him one last chance - if we don't we may be hurting ourselves, especially if another club picked him up and he flourished.

This thought process kills me. 

If he moves on and becomes a gun elsewhere so be it.

The Hawks cut a top ten key position player after two years on the senior list because they could see the writing on the wall with him.

Rhys O keefe has been unlucky with injury but our last two years have been crap and he hasnt been good enough to get a decent hit out.

Time to move on, and give him the chance for a fresh start.  Cachia got that chance and he ended up benefitting.  Right now its not helping him nor us to keep him. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #57
Re:  The Hawks.

Max Bailey has played 36 games and is 26.  Three knee reco's

It all comes down to a question of talent.   If ROK can't play then move him on.   If you think he can and the Doctors can't see a reason why he can't play a lot of football why would you get rid of him?

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #58
@Thry
Mate your rigid and dogmatic approach kills me with all due respect - one rule that says he's been there long enough move him on without due further consideration of all circumstances and how he's currently performing. Talk about blind justice!

I prefer a more flexible view and approach, so I guess we will have to agree to differ.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Baby Blues vs. Werribee at Visy on Sunday 18th Aug

Reply #59
12 months for a bloke on minimum wage isn't a big gamble. The scum did the same for Gumbleton whose had a dire run. ROK could use that faith as extra motivation as well.
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