The Ultimate game for the Baby Blues, and against the Drug Cheats.
ESSENDON v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 21 – 25/08/2018 12:00PM Windy Hill
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 25. K. Keppel, 56. C. McDaid
HB: 29. J. Hill, 28. H. Macreadie, 45. M. Shaw
C: 24. F. Pearce, 13. C. O’Shea, 49. A. Schumacher
HF: 16. J. Velissaris, 3. J. Palmer, 1. T. Wilson
F: 57. E. Penrith, 30. P. Kerr, 60. J. Pickett
R: 27. A. Milham, 32. N. Graham, 9. S. Fisher
Int: 37. D. Costanzo, 43. J. Glass-McCasker, 47. B. Hurley, 62. J. Kingsbury, 14. J. Lynch, 22. C. McCabe, 35. M. Stavrou
23P: 46. M. Dreher
9 Blues named and 8 will play at a minimum.
In: B. Hurley, D. Costanzo, N. Graham, J. Kingsbury
Out: L. Casboult
Essendon
B: 77. H. Hocking, 36. M. Hartley, 30. B. Zerk-Thatcher
HB: 59. A. Heppell, 49. M. Dea, 14. J. Ridley
C: 57. N. Hind, 19. K. Mutch, 20. J. Merrett
HF: 51. A. Boyse, 17. J. Stewart, 34. J. Long
F: 15. J. Green, 72. J. Ottavi, 24. J. Houlahan
R: 38. S. Draper, 37. D. Clarke, 39. T. Mynott
Int: 61. W. Berry, 76. L. Collins, 64. J. Harrison, 60. B. Laguda, 62. N. Lazzaro, 79. J. McQueen, 70. J. Sheahan, 65. E. Sibbald
23P: 67. J. Brown
In: M. Dea, L. Collins, J. Ottavi, J. McQueen, E. Sibbald, J. Harrison, N. Lazzaro
Out: D. Younan, J. Laverde, M. Leuenberger
The Ultimate game for the Baby Blues, and against the Drug Cheats.
ESSENDON v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 21 – 25/08/2018 12:00PM Windy Hill
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 25. K. Keppel, 56. C. McDaid
HB: 29. J. Hill, 28. H. Macreadie, 45. M. Shaw
C: 24. F. Pearce, 13. C. O’Shea, 49. A. Schumacher
HF: 16. J. Velissaris, 3. J. Palmer, 1. T. Wilson
F: 57. E. Penrith, 30. P. Kerr, 60. J. Pickett
R: 27. A. Milham, 32. N. Graham, 9. S. Fisher
Int: 37. D. Costanzo, 43. J. Glass-McCasker, 47. B. Hurley, 62. J. Kingsbury, 14. J. Lynch, 22. C. McCabe, 35. M. Stavrou
23P: 46. M. Dreher
9 Blues named and 8 will play at a minimum.
In: B. Hurley, D. Costanzo, N. Graham, J. Kingsbury
Out: L. Casboult
Essendon
B: 77. H. Hocking, 36. M. Hartley, 30. B. Zerk-Thatcher
HB: 59. A. Heppell, 49. M. Dea, 14. J. Ridley
C: 57. N. Hind, 19. K. Mutch, 20. J. Merrett
HF: 51. A. Boyse, 17. J. Stewart, 34. J. Long
F: 15. J. Green, 72. J. Ottavi, 24. J. Houlahan
R: 38. S. Draper, 37. D. Clarke, 39. T. Mynott
Int: 61. W. Berry, 76. L. Collins, 64. J. Harrison, 60. B. Laguda, 62. N. Lazzaro, 79. J. McQueen, 70. J. Sheahan, 65. E. Sibbald
23P: 67. J. Brown
In: M. Dea, L. Collins, J. Ottavi, J. McQueen, E. Sibbald, J. Harrison, N. Lazzaro
Out: D. Younan, J. Laverde, M. Leuenberger
Nick Hind is being talked up as a potential state league recruit for struggling AFL clubs...be keen to see how he goes.....
O’Shea was used as a midfielder last game and got a very favourable review from Fraser. He is named in the centre in this week’s squad and it will be interesting to see how he goes. A last minute change of role could save his career ... and JGM could be another on in that position.
O’Shea was used as a midfielder last game and got a very favourable review from Fraser. He is named in the centre in this week’s squad and it will be interesting to see how he goes. A last minute change of role could save his career ... and JGM could be another on in that position.
I don't care if he gets 40 touches as a mid this week. He should not be on our list next year.
His disposal and decision making is not up to AFL standard.
I don't care if he gets 40 touches as a mid this week. He should not be on our list next year.
His disposal and decision making is not up to AFL standard.
Maybe not kicking the footy is his go! ;)
Maybe not kicking the footy is his go! ;)
His decision making errors are not limited to him using the ball. Its him attempting to read the play and/or defend which sees him make terrible errors too.
Maybe not playing footy is his go! ;)
JGM has looked a totally different player as a key forward and has a good set shot action. Done two years on list, don't know if he's done enough to be elevated. Certainly wouldn't elevate based on his form in defence.
His decision making errors are not limited to him using the ball. Its him attempting to read the play and/or defend which sees him make terrible errors too.
Maybe not playing footy is his go! ;)
Not having seen the VFL game myself all I can go on is the coaches reports and word from those that did, and it seems they were all pleasantly surprised at O'Shea's inside mid abilities. Maybe this is another Paul Brodie miracle!
JGM has looked a totally different player as a key forward and has a good set shot action. Done two years on list, don't know if he's done enough to be elevated. Certainly wouldn't elevate based on his form in defence.
If we can delist him and re rookie him I wouldn't say no. He's tall and he shows aggression. Some of his vfl work has been ok.
I'm told he is of good character as well. The problem is we have plenty of tall options, and he will never be more than ordinary, but you do need those types on your list. In a few years Rowe will finish up and he's the only young tall who looks likely to play the gorilla minder. I'd give him one more year as a rookie but he's going to need to be pressing for selection next season.
If JGM can make it as an inside Mid and forward, he would be worth persevering with, particularly given he can also play down back. Could be a late developer who will be more than handy in the future.
I would re-rookie him.
If JGM can make it as an inside Mid and forward, he would be worth persevering with, particularly given he can also play down back. Could be a late developer who will be more than handy in the future.
I would re-rookie him.
Did JGM also have a run in the midfield?
I'd delist JGM and tell him to do an OShea and have a year in the NB's and if he has a good year we will consider him for next season as a rookie.
I want my rookies to be experienced decent players from the State Leagues who can help the NB's and be contributors when they get called up for senior action...
LeBois, Shaw and JGM have been next to useless....
I'd delist JGM and tell him to do an OShea and have a year in the NB's and if he has a good year we will consider him for next season as a rookie.
I want my rookies to be experienced decent players from the State Leagues who can help the NB's and be contributors when they get called up for senior action...
LeBois, Shaw and JGM have been next to useless....
Yep, JGM has had his time and not featured.
EB1, is there some irony in retaining JGM while cutting Gowers?
I'd delist JGM and tell him to do an OShea and have a year in the NB's and if he has a good year we will consider him for next season as a rookie.
I want my rookies to be experienced decent players from the State Leagues who can help the NB's and be contributors when they get called up for senior action...
LeBois, Shaw and JGM have been next to useless....
Agree. He needs to really show he wants, and badly!
Yep, JGM has had his time and not featured.
EB1, is there some irony in retaining JGM while cutting Gowers?
LP...Gate...horse...bolted......Gowers wasnt outstanding and as a mid utility type his future didnt look great, I guess the Dogs playing him forward was more credit to them
than us doing much wrong as his U18 career was as a midfielder/utility. JGM on the other hand was an outstanding prospect at U18 level and unlucky not to be drafted.....but has been woeful in the NB's.....
I think the switch forward may be a bit too late for JGM....
LP...Gate...horse...bolted......Gowers wasnt outstanding and as a mid utility type his future didnt look great, I guess the Dogs playing him forward was more credit to them
than us doing much wrong as his U18 career was as a midfielder/utility. JGM on the other hand was an outstanding prospect at U18 level and unlucky not to be drafted.....but has been woeful in the NB's.....
I think the switch forward may be a bit too late for JGM....
Another casualty of our player "development" program?
Another casualty of our player "development" program?
I'd reintroduce the stand alone team concept but its running over old ground.... :-X
I don't care if he gets 40 touches as a mid this week. He should not be on our list next year.
His disposal and decision making is not up to AFL standard.
You could be right. However, I recently heard some words of wisdom from Mick Malthouse (yes, while I thought Mick was a terrible choice as our coach, I readily acknowledge that he knows a hell of a lot about footy). He was talking about his time at Collingwood and how he would never leave out of form players in the reserves for too long as to do so would reduce their effectiveness at AFL level; two to three weeks was more than enough and then it was a matter of regaining form in the firsts.
O'Shea spent a whole season in the VFL and it could be that his poor disposal and decision making is a product of that. After all, very few spuds get to play close to 100 AFL games.
I'm not too fussed one way or the other and I certainly don't think he will be part of our future. I would be happy to see him go around again if he looks capable of providing Cripps with some support.
The big inside mid role is one where we need to build. O'Shea may just have got himself another year. Guess it depends on who we can bring in?
Massive step from doing it in the twos versus senior level.
You could be right. However, I recently heard some words of wisdom from Mick Malthouse (yes, while I thought Mick was a terrible choice as our coach, I readily acknowledge that he knows a hell of a lot about footy). He was talking about his time at Collingwood and how he would never leave out of form players in the reserves for too long as to do so would reduce their effectiveness at AFL level; two to three weeks was more than enough and then it was a matter of regaining form in the firsts.
O'Shea spent a whole season in the VFL and it could be that his poor disposal and decision making is a product of that. After all, very few spuds get to play close to 100 AFL games.
I'm not too fussed one way or the other and I certainly don't think he will be part of our future. I would be happy to see him go around again if he looks capable of providing Cripps with some support.
Not having seen the VFL game myself all I can go on is the coaches reports and word from those that did, and it seems they were all pleasantly surprised at O'Shea's inside mid abilities. Maybe this is another Paul Brodie miracle!
It a simple VFL form vs AFL form and the fact there is a big gap between. He is not the only one.
Graham fits that bill.
Massive step from doing it in the twos versus senior level.
Sure but maybe cause for reconsideration.
It a simple VFL form vs AFL form and the fact there is a big gap between. He is not the only one.
Graham fits that bill.
That's true - but O'Shea has played 92 AFL games in six seasons to Graham's 47 in five seasons. Of course, Port didn't delist O'Shea because he was a great player but they probably didn't try him as midfielder either.
OShea played some initial games for Port on the wing and did ok.......I'm not sold on the midfielder role as his disposal/decision making is poor.
He contests ok unlike Mullet but thats about it IMO...he is a honest trier and very popular player I believe, but he doesnt do it for me as a senior player
but maybe his popularity amongst the group might see him survive ahead of Mullet, Shaw, Graham etc....
Mullet simply can't survive the chop, he avoids physical contact and that is not an AFL level trait.
OShea as a mid...why not, I can handle that. Munged kicks from packs under pressure versus shanks and bad choices exiting defence.
That's true - but O'Shea has played 92 AFL games in six seasons to Graham's 47 in five seasons. Of course, Port didn't delist O'Shea because he was a great player but they probably didn't try him as midfielder either.
They, or we, don't have to try him as a midfielder. I doubt that position is going to mean he has different set of abilities when it comes to disposing of the ball and the ability to make the correct decision.
Its like saying someone who has trouble marking the ball playing as a ruckman should be moved to FF and given a go. Its not going to improve their marking is it.
The picture I get of O'Shea as a mid is one of a scrapper/ball winner who could lay it off in close, rather than an elite longer range disposer of the ball. Not saying we don't need those though! O'Shea may be able to fill a gap until we get the longer term picture painted? Don't see him becoming a star.....
The picture I get of O'Shea as a mid is one of a scrapper/ball winner who could lay it off in close, rather than an elite longer range disposer of the ball. Not saying we don't need those though! O'Shea may be able to fill a gap until we get the longer term picture painted? Don't see him becoming a star.....
Players like the one you describe get found out by opposition teams quick enough. They are the last ones they worry about manning up at stoppages. They are more worried about manning up players who will hurt you with their disposal, if they are all taken, he has no choice but to dispose of it long....creating a 50-50 at best....just what the opposition wanted.
Geelong built a game plan around it. Let the players fight it out for the clearance. As soon as the ball looked like it was free there would be spare geelong players everywhere. They would win it back and deliver it back with interest. They were basically conceding clearances because they knew they'd win the ball back and as a result be more damaging than if they'd won the clearance themselves.
He'll be 27 for R1 next year. Trialling him in a new position for the first time. Surely we can get someone else who has more upside and more likely to succeed in that position than Oshea?
Why do we persist in holding onto guys who can't play for that extra year?
Players like the one you describe get found out by opposition teams quick enough. They are the last ones they worry about manning up at stoppages. They are more worried about manning up players who will hurt you with their disposal, if they are all taken, he has no choice but to dispose of it long....creating a 50-50 at best....just what the opposition wanted.
Geelong built a game plan around it. Let the players fight it out for the clearance. As soon as the ball looked like it was free there would be spare geelong players everywhere. They would win it back and deliver it back with interest. They were basically conceding clearances because they knew they'd win the ball back and as a result be more damaging than if they'd won the clearance themselves.
He'll be 27 for R1 next year. Trialling him in a new position for the first time. Surely we can get someone else who has more upside and more likely to succeed in that position than Oshea?
Why do we persist in holding onto guys who can't play for that extra year?
We move players on when we have better replacements I guess. If we wanted someone to add a bit of muscle around Cripps then he could possibly temporarily fit the bill that's all. We know he's not going to be a star and if we can get a better option who is a better longer term bet then great, bring it on - I'm waiting with anticipation.
We move players on when we have better replacements I guess. If we wanted someone to add a bit of muscle around Cripps then he could possibly temporarily fit the bill that's all. We know he's not going to be a star and if we can get a better option who is a better longer term bet then great, bring it on - I'm waiting with anticipation.
I understand the logic in keeping him....or anyone.
I guess my point is that if the recruiting staff are not confident they can find someone better, then they are incompetent.
Players like the one you describe get found out by opposition teams quick enough. They are the last ones they worry about manning up at stoppages. They are more worried about manning up players who will hurt you with their disposal, if they are all taken, he has no choice but to dispose of it long....creating a 50-50 at best....just what the opposition wanted.
Geelong built a game plan around it. Let the players fight it out for the clearance. As soon as the ball looked like it was free there would be spare geelong players everywhere. They would win it back and deliver it back with interest. They were basically conceding clearances because they knew they'd win the ball back and as a result be more damaging than if they'd won the clearance themselves.
He'll be 27 for R1 next year. Trialling him in a new position for the first time. Surely we can get someone else who has more upside and more likely to succeed in that position than Oshea?
Why do we persist in holding onto guys who can't play for that extra year?
If it was a year it wouldnt be so bad, we keep them for way too long usually....agree on OShea.....lets get real mids, not bandaid remanufactured ones....
I understand the logic in keeping him....or anyone.
I guess my point is that if the recruiting staff are not confident they can find someone better, then they are incompetent.
Well and good but it could be argued that if you move someone on and you end up worse off as a result you are equally incompetent. I'll keep my powder dry on this and see what the final list position is after all the trading and drafting. I'm not an O'Shea fan at all so if he goes he goes and I won't be losing any sleep.
The Blues are 9 points down about half way through the last quarter.
Now 3 points down, 20 minutes gone.
We got to 1 point down when Houlahan of Essendon got a goal. >:(
Goal to Jean-Luc Velissaris! One point the difference!
Tight contest, with a lot of ball ups.
Stewart kicks a goal for the Drug Cheats. That is probably it.
Done and dusted. We lose to the Drug Cheats. One of our men available and we probably win.
Northern Blues 9 - 10 - 64
Essendon 12 - 6 - 78
More shots to us. More time in attack, but not quite enough to get the job done.
GOALS: Velissaris 2, Costanzo, Glass-McCasker, Kerr, Kingsbury, McCabe, O'Shea, Schumacher.
DISPOSALS: Wilson 37, Graham 33, Hill 19, O'Shea 19, Fisher 18, Kerr 17, Stavrou 16, Schumacher 16.
Done and dusted. We lose to the Drug Cheats. One of our men available and we probably win.
Northern Blues 9 - 10 - 64
Essendon 12 - 6 - 78
More shots to us. More time in attack, but not quite enough to get the job done.
Bugger - would have been nice to continue that recent winning feeling. Certainly from the stats it looks like we were really in a position to win.
Camarades, encore un effort !
(https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fsz7ZMKC.png&hash=fff367dd361dde28bf83a6449d47b5a8) Interesting statistics.