Skip to main content
Topic: CV and mad panic behaviour (Read 433308 times) previous topic - next topic
0 Members and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #375
And so be it. Fine idiots who don't act appropriately.

A few $500 fines will clear the beaches.
 You can't believe it's peaked, and also believe fining healthy people is rational, so I presume you don't really believe it's peaked!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #376
No, they've done some initial studies on the incubation period - and of course there are a few outliers - I've seen 27 days.

Let's reassess in a few days, then we'll have a better idea.

And yes I was more confident when yesterday's number was 130, rather than the adjusted 328 - still looks like it's flat lining....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #377
You can't believe it's peaked, and also believe fining healthy people is rational, so I presume you don't really believe it's peaked!

ps why shouldn't idiots be fined?
Finals, then 4 in a row!


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #379
I'm just interpreting the data.

Sure, need several more days to confirm it but.....

And I'm not suggesting the country drop all or any restrictions. Just that to say this may feed into June is BS.

End of the day, the data is the data. It appears to have stabilised. But of course some area are behind others and the Bondi gathering from last weekend hasn't shown up in the data yet?

Maybe an event that like will result in a brief spike, maybe it won't.
Finals, then 4 in a row!


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #381
Quote me your source Jack...re May/June. That is illogical.

The incubation period (99%) anyway is 14 days or less (median 5 days).

And:

"Even people who develop symptoms are at risk of unwittingly spreading the virus. A study in China suggests that infectiousness starts about 2.5 days before the onset of symptoms, and peaks 15 hours before (medRxiv, doi.org/dqbr).

We know that coughs and sneezes spread the virus, so how is it possible for asymptomatic people to spread the infection?

People with mild or no symptoms can have a very high viral load in their upper respiratory tracts, meaning they can shed the virus through spitting, touching their mouths or noses and then a surface, or possibly talking. Even people who don’t feel ill occasionally cough or sneeze.

Once symptoms develop, a person’s viral load declines steadily, and they become increasingly less infectious. However, people appear to keep shedding the virus for around two weeks after they recover from covid-19, both in their saliva and stools (medRxiv, doi.org/dqbs). This means that even once a person’s symptoms have cleared, it may still be possible to infect other people.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238473-you-could-be-spreading-the-coronavirus-without-realising-youve-got-it/#ixzz6HwUGhmXL

"the start of community spread"? What the f... do you think has been happening in recent weeks?

Why do you think we've been socially isolating?

The data doesn't lie! (short of a random event)
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-cases-in-australia-will-peak-in-may-or-june-health-authorities-say-c-761936
"Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos and Chief Health Officer Dr Brett Sutton made the grim announcement on Wednesday."

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #382
Flyboy we also need to understand that the current day's data is a week or more behind what is actually happening today. I pay little attention (if any) to the number of new cases every day. This depends on who is getting tested. Now that the numbers of people getting off cruise ships and returning from overseas is declining (and we're FINALLY quarantining them properly like we should have been doing a month ag0), I'm not surprised that the numbers appear to be slowing. But as I said, once community spread kicks off, and it will, the numbers will escalate quickly

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #383
Different measure - total cases of course will grow for weeks and weeks.

New cases - and more specifically the rate of change in new cases, is the only indicator that tells you where it's going.

Australia, thus far, has done remarkably well all said.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #384
Flyboy we also need to understand that the current day's data is a week or more behind what is actually happening today. I pay little attention (if any) to the number of new cases every day. This depends on who is getting tested. Now that the numbers of people getting off cruise ships and returning from overseas is declining (and we're FINALLY quarantining them properly like we should have been doing a month ag0), I'm not surprised that the numbers appear to be slowing. But as I said, once community spread kicks off, and it will, the numbers will escalate quickly

How does "community spread" escalate quickly when most (the greater majority by far) people are isolating - that is wrong.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #385
How does "community spread" escalate quickly when most (the greater majority by far) people are isolating - that is wrong.
Because too many are not isolating, and they then go home and spread it to their families/housemates.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #386
we'll see Jack....

I'd say 90% + are doing the right thing.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #387
Flyboy we also need to understand that the current day's data is a week or more behind what is actually happening today. I pay little attention (if any) to the number of new cases every day. This depends on who is getting tested. Now that the numbers of people getting off cruise ships and returning from overseas is declining (and we're FINALLY quarantining them properly like we should have been doing a month ag0), I'm not surprised that the numbers appear to be slowing. But as I said, once community spread kicks off, and it will, the numbers will escalate quickly
100% correct, so far we've only had a small number of community spread cases, Flyboy's using the same flawed logic that the USA, Italy and Spain used, and now they are a basket case!

Trump's placed a bet, that his drug companies will arrive at either a cure or prophylactic in time to prevent the case surge his policy triggers. It's the same appalling logic being exhibited by Portsea residents as the asymptotically spread the infection, I wonder where their children and grandchildren are, do you think they have them isolated? The spread this malaise by talking about the "price of the cure is too high" just to save a few lives, yet you know if they were first in the queue for infection a life would be priceless!

If this disease killed kids and babies preferentially over adults, we'd already be walking around in hazmat suits, identifying dissenters as modern day King Herrods and shooting them on sight!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #388
I agree Flyboy, and that's about as good as we could expect I reckon. The other thing to consider in community spread is the numbers of people going to supermarkets, bunnings etc. I think it's inevitable that asymptomatic people will spread viruses around these places and other people will pick them up. I really hope the education about washing hands etc will limit this

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #389
100% correct, so far we've only had a small number of community spread cases, Flyboy's using the same flawed logic that the USA, Italy and Spain used, and now they are a basket case!

Trump's placed a bet, that his drug companies will arrive at either a cure or prophylactic in time to prevent the case surge his policy triggers. It's the same appalling logic being exhibited by Portsea residents as the asymptotically spread the infection, I wonder where their children and grand children are, do you think they have them isolated?

If this disease killed kids and babies preferentially over adults, we'd already be walking around in hazmat suits, identifying dissenters as modern day King Herrods and shooting them on sight!

What flawed logic is that LP - that is offensive.

I consider we should have shut down sooner and harder....and I'm not saying we slacken off now.

There is no flaw in my logic.
Finals, then 4 in a row!