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Rising Star 2017 Revisited

We had a pretty good year for Rising Star nominations in 2017. We had  five!

Marchbank
Silvagni
Petrevski Seton
Cunningham
Charlie Curnow

Folks were feeling good about the future with this core group of youngsters. For some of them 2018 was a bit of a challenging year but for one in particular there is little doubt he’ll be key part of any future Carlton side. So where are they all now in terms of the future. In your opinion what does 2019 and beyond hold for them. Where will they find and cement a spot. What areas do they need to work on to improve their chances of being a long term Carlton player.

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Reply #1 –
Great post, Lods.

Charlie only needs to keep going the way he has been - he seems to naturally improve and to have the appetite to do so.

Caleb's problem, IMO, largely mental. He needs to realise that he's expected to be a leader down back now. The time for taking the lead from Simmo, Daisy and Doc is over. I reckon he'll make it and hope to see him step up this year. Very good player.

Sammo. I'm sorry to say that I don't think he'll get there as a midfielder. Has some great skills (although his kicking lacks penetration), but I don't see the appetite to be consistent and work both ways and there's simply too much competition in the midfield now. I hope I'm wrong. His best hope is a move to the HFF. I think he's actually better suited to that role and we lack quality in that area.

Cunners, too, ain't up to it in my view. Does some nice things sometimes, but not enough of them.

Jack has put on some height over the pre-season. I'm not sure whether that helps him or not though! What he really lacks is pace - he's as slow as treacle. As I've said before, I think he should aim to fill Daisy's boots, as a utility who can play forward, back or on the ball. If his pace has improved, he'll make it. I worry for him if not.

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Marchbank just needs a good run with injury and he will be an excellent defender. Hopefully the procedure he had recently to sever the nerve that is generating his chronic lower back pain was successful, and he will move forward unhindered.

SPS will be one of our top midfielders this year, and for years to come. Very confident about this guy.

Cuningham will develop into a very good small forward, I'm tipping him to play well over 100 games for us.

C Curnow is already a star, and will get better for the next few years. Will end up with multiple All Australian selections.

J Silvagni is still a conundrum, I am worried about whether he'll continue to get games as we improve over the next few years.

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Reply #3 –
Bit early writing Samo off - agreed.

Was 21 yesterday.

This will be his 3rd season only....42 games under his belt.

Expect a break out year for Samo....and a few extra kg on his wiry frame!
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Reply #4 –
Quote from: DamonBlue on
Great post, Lods.

Charlie only needs to keep going the way he has been - he seems to naturally improve and to have the appetite to do so.

Caleb's problem, IMO, largely mental. He needs to realise that he's expected to be a leader down back now. The time for taking the lead from Simmo, Daisy and Doc is over. I reckon he'll make it and hope to see him step up this year. Very good player.

Sammo. I'm sorry to say that I don't think he'll get there as a midfielder. Has some great skills (although his kicking lacks penetration), but I don't see the appetite to be consistent and work both ways and there's simply too much competition in the midfield now. I hope I'm wrong. His best hope is a move to the HFF. I think he's actually better suited to that role and we lack quality in that area.

Cunners, too, ain't up to it in my view. Does some nice things sometimes, but not enough of them.

Jack has put on some height over the pre-season. I'm not sure whether that helps him or not though! What he really lacks is pace - he's as slow as treacle. As I've said before, I think he should aim to fill Daisy's boots, as a utility who can play forward, back or on the ball. If his pace has improved, he'll make it. I worry for him if not.

Re SoJ, height or weight?  :o
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Reply #6 –
Marchbank just needs a decent run without injury to achieve his potential.  Hopefully, Russell has got him on track and we'll see that 2017 form consistently.

Silvagni is a footballer rather than an athlete and it's his lack of pace in particular that has meant that he hasn't progressed as much as his peers.  He needs to make a role his own and work on stopping opponents exploiting his lack of pace.  I reckon he will do well this season and set a real foundation for his next 157 games.

Petrevski-Seton can speak for himself:
“It’s the most I’ve done in a pre-season, so I’m pretty happy with how I’m tracking at the moment. I’m trying to build a really strong standard for myself in getting fitter and stronger and competing hard on the track,” Petrevski-Seton said.

“My aim for 2019 is to play a consistent brand of footy, I was pretty inconsistent last year. My main focus was coming into this pre-season and building that tank — to be able to run out four quarters and endure for longer.

“I want to go out there and not worry about how many touches I get, but having a strong focus, keeping it simple with my mindset and just going out playing footy.”

Samo is going to be a ripper as a midfielder-forward.

Cuningham just wants people to spell his name with one 'n'!  Like Marchbank, Cuners needs an injury-free run to get continuity into his training and games.  As another member of our midfield-forward rotation, he has a tremendous opportunity to cement a place in the 22 this season.  His best is certainly good enough but I have a question mark over his consistency at this stage.

Charlie Curnow was very good last season and, with an emerging Harry McKay and Mitch McGovern to take two good defenders, he will have a ball in one on one contests with whoever is unlucky enough to be his opponent.  He should kick 50 goals this season and be a presence up the ground as well.

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Quote from: DamonBlue on
Height, according to another forum! About 3 cms.

It would be highly unusual for a 21 year old to put on a growth spurt, particularly after his growth apparently stopped before he turned 18.

He doesn't seem any taller if comparison with teammates in training gallery photographs is any guide.
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It would be highly unusual for a 21 year old to put on a growth spurt, particularly after his growth apparently stopped before he turned 18.

He doesn't seem any taller if comparison with teammates in training gallery photographs is any guide.

It would be extraordinary, too right.

But useful!
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

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Quote from: DJC on
It would be highly unusual for a 21 year old to put on a growth spurt, particularly after his growth apparently stopped before he turned 18.

He doesn't seem any taller if comparison with teammates in training gallery photographs is any guide.

Yeah, thought the same. I guess we'll see.

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Reply #10 –
Depending on how it is measured some of that could be a result of improved core strength and posture, so it might not be real height increase.

I read somewhere that sports scientists can use a special table to measure athletes while they are horizontal to eliminate cheating.
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Reply #11 –
Quote from: LP on
Depending on how it is measured some of that could be a result of improved core strength and posture, so it might not be real height increase.

I read somewhere that sports scientists can use a special table to measure athletes while they are horizontal to eliminate cheating.

Folk are taller when they first get out of bed.  Apparently, we lose 1cm over the course of the day (as your body weight compresses your vertebrae) and get it back as we sleep.
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Reply #12 –
Most people lose height as they get older. Loss of muscle tone can be a factor I understand.
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Quote from: cookie2 on
Most people lose height as they get older. Loss of muscle tone can be a factor I understand.

I think larger stomachs, in some cases much larger stomachs, contribute too!  :-[
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Reply #14 –
My understanding was that it was compression of the vertebrae, and in particular the discs between the vertebrae, that leads to loss of height as we age