Last time we just failed against Gold Coast: we ran out of gas and let Ablett off the leash.
Now we have a chance to right that wrong, but only if we:
[1] Stop Ablett. He got 37 possessions last time, even though most of them were rubbish until the last quarter.
and
[2] Stop the Gold Coast run and carry out of defence.
Last time they ran the ball out too easily and used their skill to hit targets. Unfortunately their FF could not miss. Lynch beat Rowe in a way that in other forward has managed in the last few years.
Righto, next victim of the so called "BB sponge". On road, bit of bonding time, I reckon we can win this.
Go Blues
Last time we just failed against Gold Coast: we ran out of gas and let Ablett off the leash.
Now we have a chance to right that wrong, but only if we:
[1] Stop Ablett. He got 37 possessions last time, even though most of them were rubbish until the last quarter.
and
[2] Stop the Gold Coast run and carry out of defence.
Last time they ran the ball out too easily and used their skill to hit targets. Unfortunately their FF could not miss. Lynch beat Rowe in a way that in other forward has managed in the last few years.
Let Ablett get as many possessions as he likes......as long as its in the defensive half of the ground.
I will tell you what.
If Jones can do a job on Lynch, I think we will win this game, if not they will do us again.
We do have to stop their run, much like we had to with Saints and with GWS (which we did), if we can do that... and Jones can play on and stop Lynch, not only will we win, but I think it would be putting him a hell of a lot closer to a new contract.
Let Ablett get as many possessions as he likes......as long as its in the defensive half of the ground.
E.Curnow has just had a good game, and he has a good record against Ablett Jnr.
I'm confident, but we need to control the midfield, it's not just about Ablett Jnr.
Looked very slow vs GC last game...they ran the ball out of defense easily and carved us up on the outside. Witts also had a good quarter or two vs Kruezer which seemed to
help their onballers.
re: Lynch...need to setup better than last time, I was at that game and he had too many one outs with our players, need to block his leads and play help defense so he always has a couple of players covering him rather than one only...
I think having already played them this season will be a great help. Fix what's already been mentioned and learn from last time. A few changes in personnel also since we last played them so will be interesting to see how we go. Hopefully well!
We can sometimes come unstuck playing interstate. Hopefully this week isn't one of those games. Look forward to seeing Jones again. I thought he was done. Everyone thought he was done. What a story if he could come back from that.
I think we have the best backline in the league. Even without Rowe and Silvagni. Depth in every spot. Mcreadie can come back in but I'm hoping they bring McKay in for Asos.
After reading the HSun looks like a good chance McKay is coming in this week. Says he's in calculations to be the 7th debutant this year and the 10th in Bolton's time at the club.
When is McKay going to get a gig? This might be a good game for him, gets to travel away with thte boys so feels part of it all, the rest of the newbies in the team are settled and can help protect him a little. By the way I looooved ACOS coming into Stevie J protecting Marchbank, no nonsense stuff.
Even is if he is not playing too well in the 2's he should be exposed in the 1's even for just one game.
Where is he from because Carlton have a habit of playing new players in front of their family and friends for their first game.
It has taken Daniher 3-4 years to start playing well so the sooner we do it the sooner we can reap the rewards.
Beat me to it Laj
3AW this morning said the word coming out of Carlton is that Harry will play this week...
3AW this morning said the word coming out of Carlton is that Harry will play this week...
Good news - I'm looking forward to seeing him in action. Won't be travelling north though.
Try young SOS up back and give McKay a run up forward?
If not, who is Harry coming in for?
Try young SOS up back and give McKay a run up forward?
If not, who is Harry coming in for?
I gather last game they may have again been planning to send Weiters forward for a period before ACoS got injured.
I hope not!
Maybe they will try and force GC's hand with 2MP and Lynch up forward, force them to look at another tall in their defense.
Maybe ACoS will make a miracle recovery! ;)
Try young SOS up back and give McKay a run up forward?
If not, who is Harry coming in for?
I'd say he's coming for for ACOS. McKay and Casboult will then play as key forwards. SOS will be forward too.
I am not sure I like a forward line with H, Casboult & SOS.
Will be interesting to see how it goes, whilst SOS has good ground/tackling pressure, I am still not comfortable we will have enough when the ball goes to ground.
In saying that, it is just that in H's highlights you don't see a lot of ground pressure, those who see him regularly might be able to correct that, which would be great.
I am not sure I like a forward line with H, Casboult & SOS.
Will be interesting to see how it goes, whilst SOS has good ground/tackling pressure, I am still not comfortable we will have enough when the ball goes to ground.
In saying that, it is just that in H's highlights you don't see a lot of ground pressure, those who see him regularly might be able to correct that, which would be great.
I think it depends on the attributes of the other 3.
If the other 3 are Matthew Wright, Jed Lamb and a resting midfielder or even a Dennis Armfield (type) then there should be enough accountability going both ways to make it ok.
Wright and Lamb were happy to work up the ground, and JSOS plays as a lead up forward who pitches in around the midfield anyway.
Technically, we play one tall, with another pinch hitting and going Mckay and Levi means we are mixing it up to two talls and a medium.
Even if it doesnt work now, it seems to be a better balance of players for the future which is what we are supposed to be building towards anyway which ratifies the thought process IMHO.
I'd say he's coming for for ACOS. McKay and Casboult will then play as key forwards. SOS will be forward too.
That's how I see it.
I am not sure I like a forward line with H, Casboult & SOS.
Will be interesting to see how it goes, whilst SOS has good ground/tackling pressure, I am still not comfortable we will have enough when the ball goes to ground.
In saying that, it is just that in H's highlights you don't see a lot of ground pressure, those who see him regularly might be able to correct that, which would be great.
That's what we had with Weitering, Casboult and SOS. SOS isn't a key forward therefore you'd leave Casboult to play as the only key forward as well as a ruck. It's normal to have two forwards and a 3rd tall.
No I more than understand that, well there isn't really a 'normal' these days actually.. but I know what you are saying.
My worry is whether H has pace, because 2 KP and a medium/tall are fine, but I think Casboult lacks forward intensity and if H does (again, not saying he does but I haven't seen a lot on highlight reels to suggest he is a forward pressure type player) then I think that might be 2 of the same type and just might not cut it.
I think Weitering has more mobility than Cas and I would be much more open to a forward line with Weitering and Casboult or Weitering and H than H and Casboult.
RR or baggers might alleviate my fear and suggest H is more than capable when it hits the deck and applying defensive pressure.
My worry is whether H has pace, because 2 KP and a medium/tall are fine, but I think Casboult lacks forward intensity and if H does (again, not saying he does but I haven't seen a lot on highlight reels to suggest he is a forward pressure type player) then I think that might be 2 of the same type and just might not cut it.
McKay has plenty of pace, I think he's above average for a player of his size, and he seriously smashes packs.
In fact I'd say the worry is he'd injure himself smashing packs, watching him at VFL level his marking reminds me of Sticks smashing packs. I'd put him as way more aggressive and physical than Casboult, slightly less aggressive than Sticks or Johnathon Brown.
McKay's not as bulky or strong as Casboult, not yet anyway, but Casboult often fails to make use of that strength anyway!
McKay's well off being a useful ruck option, at the moment it's not his go, I think Joe Daniher is probably his closest match excluding his twin brother.
McKay has plenty of pace, I think he's above average for a player of his size, and he seriously smashes packs.
In fact I'd say the worry is he'd injure himself smashing packs, watching him at VFL level his marking reminds me of Sticks smashing packs. I'd put him as way more aggressive and physical than Casboult, slightly less aggressive than Sticks or Johnathon Brown.
McKay's not as bulky or strong as Casboult, not yet anyway, but Casboult often fails to make use of that strength anyway!
McKay's well off being a useful ruck option, at the moment it's not his go, I think Joe Daniher is probably his closest match excluding his twin brother.
Joe ain't 204!
But fair comparison absolutely.
Still too early for McKay BUT we did lack an extra marking target when going forward against GWS last Sunday especially when Casboult was rucking.
Still too early for McKay BUT we did lack an extra marking target when going forward against GWS last Sunday especially when Casboult was rucking.
This is what I was thinking, when Casboult is second rucking and Charlie is pushing up high and Kreuzer is off we don't really have anyone there. Maybe with another marking target down there like McKay, Casboult gets even better as he has less defenders sagging off onto him and vice versa. Imagine Charlie left with a 3rd tall defender, once he leaps that poor bloke will have no chance. Not to mention SOS with the fourth defender.
With Wright down there, I would also like to see us develop Fisher as a real crafty forward mid ala Ablett early days with Geelong. He has good pace and lateral movement, has a killer sidestep and a great leftie.
Still too early for McKay BUT we did lack an extra marking target when going forward against GWS last Sunday especially when Casboult was rucking.
Is it too early?
Putting Cuningham in the 1s when his form in the 2s was pretty so so did wonders for him...
Harry can play, really play and is hungry. That's a good start. Very hard match up and he's bloody good below his knees for a bloke of his size, remarkably good.
The Suns' talls in their backline last week?
May 193cm
Leslie 197cm (15 games only)
Joyce 191cm (SoJ match up)
Kolod... 190cm
So, who mans Levi at 199cm and Harry at 204cm?
Leslie has replaced Thompson? What's happened to him? not listed as injured.....
Still too early for McKay BUT we did lack an extra marking target when going forward against GWS last Sunday especially when Casboult was rucking.
He's been playing well, in form in the VFL, he ready to at least experience footy at the highest level.
No I more than understand that, well there isn't really a 'normal' these days actually.. but I know what you are saying.
My worry is whether H has pace, because 2 KP and a medium/tall are fine, but I think Casboult lacks forward intensity and if H does (again, not saying he does but I haven't seen a lot on highlight reels to suggest he is a forward pressure type player) then I think that might be 2 of the same type and just might not cut it.
I think Weitering has more mobility than Cas and I would be much more open to a forward line with Weitering and Casboult or Weitering and H than H and Casboult.
RR or baggers might alleviate my fear and suggest H is more than capable when it hits the deck and applying defensive pressure.
Got pace, reads and marks well, tackles well, playing good footy in the VFL. Just the type we need.
Got pace, reads and marks well, tackles well, playing good footy in the VFL. Just the type we need.
And time to see how he goes at senior level imo.
Anyone knows what he weighs?
Must be high 90s, at least, surely?
Got pace, reads and marks well, tackles well, playing good footy in the VFL. Just the type we need.
I don't have an issue with H playing, not at all. In fact I am dying to see him in the big time.
I would just perhaps like us to look at our structure a little and consider if we play Cas or if we move another taller player out and bring in some real pace at the base of the packs if we do play Cas and H together, hence the thought of giving SOS a run in the backline for a week.
I don't think there would be too many that don't want to see H at this level, most people are dying for it (me included).
I don't have an issue with H playing, not at all. In fact I am dying to see him in the big time.
I would just perhaps like us to look at our structure a little and consider if we play Cas or if we move another taller player out and bring in some real pace at the base of the packs if we do play Cas and H together, hence the thought of giving SOS a run in the backline for a week.
I don't think there would be too many that don't want to see H at this level, most people are dying for it (me included).
Finally would be nice to have two marking targets in the forward line. That means Casboult doesn't have multiple defenders going to him all the time. Ideally, as a back up ruckman you'd want him as the 2nd forward not the dual responsibility as the number one forward and ruck. SOS plays as the 3rd tall meaning C.Curnow can play more in the midfield.
No ideally you wouldn't have him in the team at all.
The talk about him getting multiple defenders isn't fact. It might be the way people see it, but I don't see his runs cut off and two people hanging off him. It is amazing it now seems because of where we are teams are giving him the same treatment as Carey.
He is paid to be our target forward, he can't be claimed to be the best contested mark in the competition, but only suited to being the second forward, doesn't really add up.
Anyway... I am more concerned about too much height. Collingwood done it earlier this year (from memory also against us) where they had 2-3 tall forwards that were simply slow movers and it just was terrible.
It can work sure, but I have reservations about the mix.
Finally would be nice to have two marking targets in the forward line. That means Casboult doesn't have multiple defenders going to him all the time. Ideally, as a back up ruckman you'd want him as the 2nd forward not the dual responsibility as the number one forward and ruck. SOS plays as the 3rd tall meaning C.Curnow can play more in the midfield.
That's pretty close but SOJ doesn't really play as a third tall. He is more of a hybrid, opportunistic forward who also bobs up in defence and the midfield. Charlie Curnow and Patrick Cripps are our third talls.
Despite all the qualms about Levi I will be very interested to see him play alongside H.
Despite all the qualms about Levi I will be very interested to see him play alongside H.
I've seen McKay take very short stints in the ruck, but I can't recall seeing him ever spend time in the back half, but could this be BBs plan for McKay introduction if it happens?
Statistically, CC and Sumner both had a quiet game. McKay is very mobile, could Sumner be out and McKay in along with another to cover ACoS? Sheehan, Byrne even?
Surely not Byrne after just 1/2 a game, yet we played SPS after zero games! But of the VFL group, Casey looked the one ready for AFL from the get go!
On the Sumner issue, I wouldn't be surprised to see Buckley close to another run at AFL level with someone like Williamson being released further up the field.
Very interesting to see which way they go this week.
I think its time to throw Harry in with ACOS out. This leaves us a little thin down back, but I can't see them bringing in KJ who can play both forward and back.
You would have to think they will give SPS a game at Northern before bringing him back from a 2 week spell. But his pace would be handy against these blokes.
My main issue remains the structure and output of the forward line. Charlie, Fisher, Sumner and SOJ are at this stage cameo players only, and none of them are hitting the scoreboard regularly. Hopefully this will come in time, but at the moment we are very exposed due to our often poor defensive / tackle pressure inside 50. GC love to run off HB and we need to stop this run at the source.
I would think about bringing Pickett back in for Fisher - he does some nice things but he needs to make a real impact, which I don't think he can do with his size. Sumner goes ok, but doesn't do enough and doesn't hit the scoreboard. He has 1 goal, 17 disposals and 4 tackles in 2 games - that's just not enough at this level, and is pretty indicative of his career numbers as well. I'd rather they give one of the other guys a chance to see if they can do more in that role.
No ideally you wouldn't have him in the team at all.
The talk about him getting multiple defenders isn't fact. It might be the way people see it, but I don't see his runs cut off and two people hanging off him. It is amazing it now seems because of where we are teams are giving him the same treatment as Carey.
He is paid to be our target forward, he can't be claimed to be the best contested mark in the competition, but only suited to being the second forward, doesn't really add up.
Anyway... I am more concerned about too much height. Collingwood done it earlier this year (from memory also against us) where they had 2-3 tall forwards that were simply slow movers and it just was terrible.
It can work sure, but I have reservations about the mix.
It's one thing Collingwood lack is tall forwards. They didn't have Jessie White. Only had Darcy Moore, who's still developing, and Mason Cox, a slow moving 7 footer, a glacier up forward who should be a ruckman. McKay will be nothing like that. We're playing two forwards who are forwards, even if one is doing the forward/ruck job. Height is the least of the issue. Remember too the Pies had the likes of Elliot, Sidebottom and Fasolo on their forward line too so they didn't exactly lack run.
It doesn't add up only because you have an agenda with Levi. If a longer ball comes in where are the defenders going to go, to your only tall marking option. He's paid to be our forward and ruck, a job he is doing pretty well this well. He'd had a good year this year, much like 2015 and it's proven you wrong, something rarely posters admit to. He's not exactly getting paid like a gun key forward as we know he's not but he's is doing his job, influencing many contests physically and had involvement in a number of scores last week. Tough gig being the only key forward and ruck as well. He and Kreuzer and have been our best ruck combination for quite a while. Kreuzer thrives working with Levi as he gets alot more time on the ball. Levi needs help though with another marking target. Ideally you're like your forward, who's rucking to be your second forward. Levi isn't really a no.1 forward and not likely to be given given he was pick 44 in a rookie draft, but he's playing his role well and be well suited to backing up a gun key forward. McKay won't be slowing anyone down if you watch the VFL. Doesn't lack pace, marks strongly and applies pressure.
Nice post laj.
It doesn't add up only because you have an agenda with Levi. If a longer ball comes in where are the defenders going to go, to your only tall marking option. He's paid to be our forward and ruck, a job he is doing pretty well this well. He'd had a good year this year, much like 2015 and it's proven you wrong, something rarely posters admit to.
I am just going to address this point, because you are wrong.
I am not a fan of Levi, I openly state that and don't snipe from behind that, but I never called for him to be dropped. I asked simply whether or not it would be better to move another medium/tall out and try another small in there if we have H and Levi in there.
I asked this because you don't see a lot of forward lines with a 200cm and 198 cm working together and thought if we have both I would want a lot of ground speed in there, hence.. do you move SOS out of the forward line for a week.
I don't think Levi is doing a good job this year, I think he is almost serviceable or even possibly passable, but no more and I don't hide that. He hasn't proven me wrong, his game this weekend again was nothing special and happen to include two very important misses from easy shots.
I am open when I am criticising Levi, my signature for goodness sake criticises him, so I am not sniping.
And as I said in this exact thread.. I would be more comfortable with Levi & Weiters or H and Weiters, simply because I am comfortable with Weitering's ability at ground level.
As for admitting when I am wrong. I am vocal in my criticism of Liam Jones as well (or have been), yet I am loving this new born defender at the moment and thought he was sensational on the weekend. You might like the idea of 2 x 2m forwards (or thereabouts) I am not 100% convinced by it. On occasion it will work and I fear on occasion it is possibly too tall.
I use Collingwood as an example as they have played very tall at times and it was atrocious.
You might find my dislike of what Casboult has given the club distasteful and you know what that is fine, you are entitled to it does not worry me in the slightest. Just as I find it a little sickening that his output is defended as something we should find acceptable for an AFL footballer. Our standards should be so much higher than that (imo), but that belongs in the Levi Casboult thread. Levi has not come close to proving me wrong, Levi of 2017 still isn't good enough to be a regular player in a good team and needs to be replaced. If you think otherwise all power to you.
My question in this thread was simple.. Is H good enough at ground level that we can play him and Cas and SOS (who is yes more of a medium/tall) or do we swap out SOS and put someone (even a Pickett) so that we have more pace at the fall of the ball?
It has been mentioned that H is quick, which is great. So if that also equates to on the ground pressure then there is no worry. I don't know enough about H's forward pressure to say either way, hence I ask the question.
Some interesting questions.
I have my own for this week. Consider these:
[1] With Alex Silvagni being unavailable for 4 weeks and Rowe being injured long term, do we need to bolster the defence?
GC do not have a huge number of tall targets and we do have Caleb Marchbank who can play on any tall not muscled like Arnie. We may consider bring in White, who can play tall or mid. We may also consider bringing in a smaller, quicker defender, as we tend to leak goals to smaller forwards rather than taller ones. Or do we bring in Ciaran Sheahan, who offers smarts, an excellent left foot and excellent concentration and strength? Interesting thought.
[2] Losing a tall like Silvagni, should we bring in a tall forward instead?
At present Harry McKay would seem to be the obvious choice. He has some way to go, but he has shown enough in recent times to get him into the selection picture. H can ruck somewhat and he does have mobility and great hands.
If we think of going for a taller forward, McKay has the edge over the others at the moment, although there is still competition.
[3] We had a few guys who didn't get a lot of the ball last week; Liam Sumner (9 possessions), Tom Williamson (10), Zac Fisher (12) and Jed Lamb (15) come to mind. There is a case to keep any and all of them, but it is reasonably probably that SPS may come directly into the team this week. Should he?
I think SPS is a high probability to be selected. His form has been pretty good and he provides speed and X-Factor to our forward line and midfield.
Of the 4 mentioned, Fisher and Sumner appear under the most pressure, as they had very few possessions for guys who spent time in the midfield. Nick Graham (and a few others) put their hands up in the 2nds.
I think Fisher could do with a few weeks in the VFL. He is young and would appreciate more time developing his skills in the centre square. That doesn't happen so much in the seniors.
Sumner was in the play a lot more than his 9 possessions suggest, but Graham would be more likely to get 18 - 21 possessions per game, based on his form this season.
[4] Should we make ANY unforced changes?
When we win, we RARELY change the team. This has been a trend for a long time and I do not expect it to change. I have suggest changes for a long time, but do not heed my calls. Often the performance of those in the team make my contributions look silly.
Last week had a clear example: playing Daisy with no time in the VFL to gain form. I was not a fan of this idea. I thought (and still do) that Daisy's body probably needs a warm up game. Instead Daisy really put in.
At this point I am thinking:
In: SPS & Harry McKay
Out: A Silvagni and Fisher
Now that I have written this, I expect the club to do just about anything except make these 2 changes. :)
Some interesting questions.
I have my own for this week. Consider these:
[1] With Alex Silvagni being unavailable for 4 weeks and Rowe being injured long term, do we need to bolster the defence?
GC do not have a huge number of tall targets and we do have Caleb Marchbank who can play on any tall not muscled like Arnie. We may consider bring in White, who can play tall or mid. We may also consider bringing in a smaller, quicker defender, as we tend to leak goals to smaller forwards rather than taller ones. Or do we bring in Ciaran Sheahan, who offers smarts, an excellent left foot and excellent concentration and strength? Interesting thought.
[2] Losing a tall like Silvagni, should we bring in a tall forward instead?
At present Harry McKay would seem to be the obvious choice. He has some way to go, but he has shown enough in recent times to get him into the selection picture. H can ruck somewhat and he does have mobility and great hands.
If we think of going for a taller forward, McKay has the edge over the others at the moment, although there is still competition.
[3] We had a few guys who didn't get a lot of the ball last week; Liam Sumner (9 possessions), Tom Williamson (10), Zac Fisher (12) and Jed Lamb (15) come to mind. There is a case to keep any and all of them, but it is reasonably probably that SPS may come directly into the team this week. Should he?
I think SPS is a high probability to be selected. His form has been pretty good and he provides speed and X-Factor to our forward line and midfield.
Of the 4 mentioned, Fisher and Sumner appear under the most pressure, as they had very few possessions for guys who spent time in the midfield. Nick Graham (and a few others) put their hands up in the 2nds.
I think Fisher could do with a few weeks in the VFL. He is young and would appreciate more time developing his skills in the centre square. That doesn't happen so much in the seniors.
Sumner was in the play a lot more than his 9 possessions suggest, but Graham would be more likely to get 18 - 21 possessions per game, based on his form this season.
[4] Should we make ANY unforced changes?
When we win, we RARELY change the team. This has been a trend for a long time and I do not expect it to change. I have suggest changes for a long time, but do not heed my calls. Often the performance of those in the team make my contributions look silly.
Last week had a clear example: playing Daisy with no time in the VFL to gain form. I was not a fan of this idea. I thought (and still do) that Daisy's body probably needs a warm up game. Instead Daisy really put in.
At this point I am thinking:
In: SPS & Harry McKay
Out: A Silvagni and Fisher
Now that I have written this, I expect the club to do just about anything except make these 2 changes. :)
I agree with what you have written, and agree that we largely need to be choosing players based on form, and its conceivable that we get Jaksch back into the team this week as he provides us some flexibility.
We can start him forward, and then if that doesnt work swap him with either of Jones/Weitering.
If we go with Harry, we are pretty much stuck with Harry being up forward, and the only thing we can shuffle is Kreuzer forward, and Levi into the ruck.
We dont really want Harry in the ruck at this stage of the journey as although GC's ruck division isnt the most vaunted, it does have 2 metre Peter who got off the leash last time against us, particularly when resting forward, and we still have Tom Lynch to contend with.
Versatility might win out against form this week at the selection table. We need to make a call on Jaksch this season. It might be time to see what we have (or don't have with him).
But Crash, we need to make one forced change due to ACOS.
I think bring in Harry only because we all want to see him play. ;D
40% chance of rain on the Gold Coast for game time, cannot see us playing both McKay and Casboult under those conditions.
Any evening rain up there combined with the humidity makes the ball soap like!
Maybe Casboult's lack of ground level impact has given way to McKay as a replacement, McKay looks pretty mobile and handy at ground level for a guy 200cm. McKay seems at least as capable as Rowe at ground level.
40% chance of rain on the Gold Coast for game time, cannot see us playing both McKay and Casboult under those conditions.
Any evening rain up there combined with the humidity makes the ball soap like!
Maybe Casboult's lack of ground level impact has given way to McKay as a replacement, McKay looks pretty mobile and handy at ground level for a guy 200cm. McKay seems at least as capable as Rowe at ground level.
McKay isn't going to ruck. We need Casboult for that. Anyway, 60% it won't rain.
All will be revealed in 3 hours.
In: Boekhurst and SPS
Out: A Silvagni and Sumner
Both injured
In: Boekhurst and SPS
Out: A Silvagni and Sumner
Both injured
Glad Boekhorst is being given another shot. Probably seen the last of Sumner... true glassman.
As listed
FF: Petrovski-Seton Silvagni Fisher
HF: Thomas Casboult Cunningham
Ce: Williamson Cripps Simpson
HB: E Curnow Weitering Docherty
HB: Plowman Jones Marchbank
FO: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: C Curnow Lamb Boekhurst Wright
Emer: McKay Graham Smedts
B: Lachie Plowman - Liam Jones - Caleb Marchbank
HB: Ed Curnow - Jacob Weitering - Sam Docherty
C: Tom Williamson - Patrick Cripps - Kade Simpson
HF: Dale Thomas - Levi Casboult - David Cuningham
F: Samo Petrevski-Seton - Jack Silvagni - Zac Fisher
R: Matthew Kreuzer - Bryce Gibbs - Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange: Matthew Wright - Blaine Boekhorst - Jed Lamb - Charlie Curnow
Emergencies 16. Billie Smedts 32. Nick Graham 10. Harry McKay
So we've gone for speed this time.
Late change? Will Macca fly with the team?
Glad Boekhorst is being given another shot. Probably seen the last of Sumner... true glassman.
Real shame about Sumner, I like him alot but it seems his body isnt upto the rigours of AFL footy.
Glad Boekhorst is being given another shot. Probably seen the last of Sumner... true glassman.
Probably the ideal game for Boekhorst vs a mob who play outside footy and hopefully in good conditions that should suit him running up and down the wings....last chance for him IMO.
Probably the ideal game for Boekhorst vs a mob who play outside footy and hopefully in good conditions that should suit him running up and down the wings....last chance for him IMO.
Beginning to sound like the Last Chance Saloon EB? :o
Beginning to sound like the Last Chance Saloon EB? :o
Yep Cookie...some of these blokes like Boekhorst, Buckley, Lamb, Gorringe, Jaksch...even Graham might only get a game or two if that in the 2nd half of the season....its still a rebuild and I reckon at least 10 names will be disappearing off the list at seasons end..
Dont see Boekhorst making it...not physical enough for AFL footy and being a Rogers selection wont help him either...but at least he gets a chance unlike some others who probably wont see the light of day in the seniors...
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank.
HB: Ed Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Sam Docherty.
C: Tom Williamson, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson.
HF: Dale Thomas, Levi Casboult, David Cuningham.
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jack Silvagni, Zac Fisher.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Matthew Wright, Blaine Boekhorst, Jed Lamb, Charlie Curnow.
Emg: Billie Smedts, Nick Graham, Harry McKay.
In: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Blaine Boekhorst
Out: Liam Sumner (Adductor), Alex Silvagni (Knee)
I think Fisher is a little lucky to be still in the team. Boekhorst has been playing better, but must still consider himself more than a tad lucky. All of Smedts, Graham and McKay are a bit stiff to miss.
Hopefully the selectors made the right moves, even though they did not go as I expected. But then, when do they?
Gold Coast Suns
B: Jesse Joyce, Jack Leslie, Kade Kolodjashnij.
HB: Pearce Hanley, Steven May, Adam Saad.
C: Matt Rosa, Gary Ablett, David Swallow.
HF: Jarryd Lyons, Tom J. Lynch, Jesse Lonergan.
F: Alex Sexton, Peter Wright, Jack Martin.
R: Jarrod Witts, Aaron Hall, Michael Barlow.
Int: Sean Lemmens, Ben Ainsworth, Brandon Matera, Mackenzie Willis.
Emg: Brayden Fiorini, Callum Ah Chee, Rory Thompson.
No Change
Witts and Gawn have been the only ruckman to clearly beat Kreuzer in the ruck this year. Witts has done what I thought he couldn't do: develop as a true ruckman. His extra height is difficult for Kreuzer to deal with.
We need to stop Ablett, who got a lot of ball last time, and Lynch, who killed us with his goals from distance. It will be interesting to see who is given the task on these guys.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank.
HB: Ed Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Sam Docherty.
C: Tom Williamson, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson.
HF: Dale Thomas, Levi Casboult, David Cuningham.
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jack Silvagni, Zac Fisher.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Matthew Wright, Blaine Boekhorst, Jed Lamb, Charlie Curnow.
Emg: Billie Smedts, Nick Graham, Harry McKay.
In: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Blaine Boekhorst
Out: Liam Sumner (Adductor), Alex Silvagni (Knee)
I think Fisher is a little lucky to be still in the team. Boekhorst has been playing better, but must still consider himself more than a tad lucky. All of Smedts, Graham and McKay are a bit stiff to miss.
Hopefully the selectors made the right moves, even though they did not go as I expected. But then, when do they?
Gold Coast Suns
B: Jesse Joyce, Jack Leslie, Kade Kolodjashnij.
HB: Pearce Hanley, Steven May, Adam Saad.
C: Matt Rosa, Gary Ablett, David Swallow.
HF: Jarryd Lyons, Tom J. Lynch, Jesse Lonergan.
F: Alex Sexton, Peter Wright, Jack Martin.
R: Jarrod Witts, Aaron Hall, Michael Barlow.
Int: Sean Lemmens, Ben Ainsworth, Brandon Matera, Mackenzie Willis.
Emg: Brayden Fiorini, Callum Ah Chee, Rory Thompson.
No Change
Witts and Gawn have been the only ruckman to clearly beat Kreuzer in the ruck this year. Witts has done what I thought he couldn't do: develop as a true ruckman. His extra height is difficult for Kreuzer to deal with.
We need to stop Ablett, who got a lot of ball last time, and Lynch, who killed us with his goals from distance. It will be interesting to see who is given the task on these guys.
Be wanting Aaron Hall manned up well too, gets plenty of ball...they get plenty of run out of defense, we didnt handle it very last time and let players like Saad run away into space too often.
Witts had a good game last time and as you suggested is a awkward lump of a bloke who troubled MK with his height and size....
Dont think GC are that great but they have some awkward matchups and are very quick...we have included two more quicker players which may help but we need to man up and tackle better than we did last time and force GC into more contests...it became an outside game last time and that doesnt suit us.
Dont see Boekhorst making it...not physical enough for AFL footy and being a Rogers selection wont help him either...but at least he gets a chance unlike some others who probably wont see the light of day in the seniors...
There is some irony in his selection, I thought his last game was possibly one of his worst this VFL season!
Yep Cookie...some of these blokes like Boekhorst, Buckley, Lamb, Gorringe, Jaksch...even Graham might only get a game or two if that in the 2nd half of the season....its still a rebuild and I reckon at least 10 names will be disappearing off the list at seasons end..
Dont see Boekhorst making it...not physical enough for AFL footy and being a Rogers selection wont help him either...but at least he gets a chance unlike some others who probably wont see the light of day in the seniors...
Agree. I'd add to names you mentioned in - Boekhorst, Buckley, Lamb, Gorringe, Jaksch, Graham....
That of - Sumner, Armfield, White, Gallucci (rookie), Korcheck (rookie). Possibly Glass-McCasker (rookie) also.
Gibbs to likely leave also you'd think via a trade.
I've listed 10 senior list players and 3 rookies as 'potential' outs.
Agree. I'd add to names you mentioned in - Boekhorst, Buckley, Lamb, Gorringe, Jaksch, Graham....
That of - Sumner, Armfield, White, Gallucci (rookie), Korcheck (rookie). Possibly Glass-McCasker (rookie) also.
Gibbs to likely leave also you'd think via a trade.
I've listed 10 senior list players and 3 rookies as 'potential' outs.
I've changed my mind on Buckley. A year back I'd have him in trouble, but now having seen his work at VFL level, and given Simmo has only a season or two left. I reckon Buckley could get himself setup as Simmo's natural replacement.
JGM gets some slack from me, prior to getting his jaw broken he was also looking quite good at VFL level.
As much as I love his efforts, I cannot see Galluci getting past Le Bois, Pickett or SPS.
Korcheck has stalled somewhat, but that does happen with International Rookies, they seem to go through a transition period in their 2nd or 3rd season.
I think Sumner, Gorringe and Jaksch are in a lot of trouble. They've moved clubs and basically found themselves in the same position at a venue with a weaker list than the one they left!
I've changed my mind on Buckley. A year back I'd have him in trouble, but now having seen his work at VFL level, and given Simmo has only a season or two left. I reckon Buckley could get himself setup as Simmo's natural replacement.
JGM gets some slack from me, prior to getting his jaw broken he was also looking quite good at VFL level.
As much as I love his efforts, I cannot see Galluci getting past Le Bois, Pickett or SPS.
Korcheck has stalled somewhat, but that does happen with International Rookies, they seem to go through a transition period in their 2nd or 3rd season.
I think Sumner, Gorringe and Jaksch are in a lot of trouble. They've moved clubs and basically found themselves in the same position at a venue with a weaker list than the one they left!
Yep, it will be interesting. I'm hoping Buckley comes on. He'll need to do it at AFL level before the seasons through to win a new contract.
JGM is fair enough. He would want to show a bit still at VFL seniors level b4 the season is out, Korcheck quite possibly also.
Playing VFL reserves, doesn't instill me with great hope.
Yep, it will be interesting. I'm hoping Buckley comes on. He'll need to do it at AFL level before the seasons through to win a new contract.
JGM is fair enough. He would want to show a bit still at VFL seniors level b4 the season is out, Korcheck quite possibly also.
Playing VFL reserves, doesn't instill me with great hope.
I see this more as forcing Phillips hand with a load of primary game time, rather than a statement about Korcheck.
Phillips is expected to deliver at VFL level, and we should have that expectation of him!
There is some irony in his selection, I thought his last game was possibly one of his worst this VFL season!
Maybe he is the decoy and McKay will get a game. You know, tell Harry right at the last minute so he doesn't stress about playing his first game. Just a thought?
Maybe he is the decoy and McKay will get a game. You know, tell Harry right at the last minute so he doesn't stress about playing his first game. Just a thought?
That would be devastating to Boekhorst in his current situation, I'm not sure BB is that cruel!
That would be devastating to Boekhorst in his current situation, I'm not sure BB is that cruel!
Yes, I doubt we'd be changing the side bar injury/illness.
I've changed my mind on Buckley. A year back I'd have him in trouble, but now having seen his work at VFL level, and given Simmo has only a season or two left. I reckon Buckley could get himself setup as Simmo's natural replacement.
JGM gets some slack from me, prior to getting his jaw broken he was also looking quite good at VFL level.
As much as I love his efforts, I cannot see Galluci getting past Le Bois, Pickett or SPS.
Korcheck has stalled somewhat, but that does happen with International Rookies, they seem to go through a transition period in their 2nd or 3rd season.
I think Sumner, Gorringe and Jaksch are in a lot of trouble. They've moved clubs and basically found themselves in the same position at a venue with a weaker list than the one they left!
Sumner is just unlucky with his body. It's not holding up to the rigors and it has him in trouble. Probably be ok with a good run, especially if he were to actually get a pre-season in. Jaksch is unlucky for the fact he's playing good football in the VFL but not getting selected. The fact we won't play him despite his form, plus the fact we have McKay, Kerr, a strong defence, he might well be down the pecking order, meaning he is in trouble. He may go ok at a 3rd club. Gorringe, another well down the order, behind Kreuzer and Phillips. given we only pick one first ruck he's unlucky to see action outside of real injury bad luck to our rucks (which did happen last year), hence he's in trouble too.
That of - Sumner, Armfield, White, Gallucci (rookie), Korcheck (rookie). Possibly Glass-McCasker (rookie) also.
Hey, i remember that bloke.
We are, obviously, playing at night this week.
Just heard a stat that we have LOST our last 20 night matches! :-[
Yep, it will be interesting. I'm hoping Buckley comes on. He'll need to do it at AFL level before the seasons through to win a new contract.
JGM is fair enough. He would want to show a bit still at VFL seniors level b4 the season is out, Korcheck quite possibly also.
Playing VFL reserves, doesn't instill me with great hope.
I reckon if the romance associated with Dylan being Carlton great Jimmy's boy didnt exist, I don't think many would be cutting Dylan as much slack.
I reckon if the romance associated with Dylan being Carlton great Jimmy's boy didnt exist, I don't think many would be cutting Dylan as much slack.
I agree unfortunately, but... I still hope that there is something there that Bolts can work with, but time is running out for him
I reckon if the romance associated with Dylan being Carlton great Jimmy's boy didnt exist, I don't think many would be cutting Dylan as much slack.
Whilst he's a better prospect than Dylan, I reckon you could say similar about Jack Silvagni.
As blue4life stated elsewhere, we were more or less forced to recruit him. If his name was Jack Smith, would we have shown an interest ?
I know he's young, I know he's still learning the caper, I know he busts his gut, but his skills, lack of pace and goal kicking worry me a little.
Whilst he's a better prospect than Dylan, I reckon you could say similar about Jack Silvagni.
As blue4life stated elsewhere, we were more or less forced to recruit him. If his name was Jack Smith, would we have shown an interest ?
I know he's young, I know he's still learning the caper, I know he busts his gut, but his skills, lack of pace and goal kicking worry me a little.
Geez... I am a big wrap for young SOS, still very young (a week older than H) and had fantastic form in the 2s for a 1st year player to earn the spot. Kicks a goal each week, lays a few tackles and takes 3-4 marks.. I think he will be a good one. I also expect he will put on another 5-6 kg over the next couple of seasons as well.
I know I went early on him, but I reckon he is rated highly and a fair reason why we will pay more for Ben.
Geez... I am a big wrap for young SOS, still very young (a week older than H) and had fantastic form in the 2s for a 1st year player to earn the spot. Kicks a goal each week, lays a few tackles and takes 3-4 marks.. I think he will be a good one. I also expect he will put on another 5-6 kg over the next couple of seasons as well.
I know I went early on him, but I reckon he is rated highly and a fair reason why we will pay more for Ben.
Unless SOS had his lupara pointed at a few other recruiters, there's probably a reason why he went pick 53.
Yes, I know such a view will win me no friends around here. I know he's a fave of many. I'm just calling it as I see it. He could become anything (good or bad), but at this point, I see him as an honest toiler.
Unless SOS had his lupara pointed at a few other recruiters, there's probably a reason why he went pick 53.
Yes, I know such a view will win me no friends around here. I know he's a fave of many. I'm just calling it as I see it. He could become anything (good or bad), but at this point, I see him as an honest toiler.
lupara lol
I think he went 53 because of exposed form. I think if he took the traditional route he would have gone higher.
You are of course entitled to a view, but I tend to think if he was freely available and not a Silvagni now, clubs would be keen to get hold of him.
Now I know Josh K was a different sort of player, when drafted he was 4 cm taller (now 5) and 4 kg heavier than Jack, but below are some comparisons of JK after 2 full seasons and Jack now after 1.5 seasons.
I am not drawing too much conclusion, other than to say his stats are decent for a 2nd year forward.
(http://carltonblues.net/images/kennedy-vs-jack.png)
Anyway mate, each to their own and you are obviously more than entitled to have doubts on players (I have doubts on a few myself :P), I am sure we are both hoping in this instance you are wrong.
My nerd alarm just went off again. ;D
I hope all players that wear the navy blue turn out to be superstars. It is a hope, however, that is rarely realized.
Whatever their stats may say, I reckon JK and Jack are miles apart.
Unless SOS had his lupara pointed at a few other recruiters, there's probably a reason why he went pick 53.
Yes, I know such a view will win me no friends around here. I know he's a fave of many. I'm just calling it as I see it. He could become anything (good or bad), but at this point, I see him as an honest toiler.
The main reason he dropped to 53 is that he had a shoulder operation in his draft year and didn't play a lot of footy. From memory he didn't test at the combine either.
He was also under aged for his draft year. There was even a school of thought to say wait 12 months and go the following draft instead.
Whatever their stats may say, I reckon JK and Jack are miles apart.
I agree there PP.
Jack is going OK and will play a lot of footy for us in the coming years, but JK he isn't.
I agree there PP.
Jack is going OK and will play a lot of footy for us in the coming years, but JK he isn't.
I think it is missing the point of the original comparison.
Both were young players (Jack 3 months younger) coming into AFL playing 2nd forward in a team not doing so great.
I was huge wraps for JK whilst he was here (and he had a lot of detractors), yet at the same stage Jack is doing better than JK was, without a doubt at all.
Now JK has the advantage that he likely was going to fill out more so was perhaps less into his development, but my main point was to show there was nothing really to worry about with Jack, he is coming along nicely and (imo) ahead of the curve.
I wasn't saying that he will be a better player than JK when I put the post up, and I certainly was not saying Jack is anywhere near JK at present however... (in a different role) I actually think he might end up having a better career than JK does.
Though that is just based on watching the two play their early careers.
Geez that is a long way off who plays against Gold Coast tonight ;D
JK could perhaps be forgiven for not showing much in his time with us, playing as he was alongside Fev (2006 Coleman Medalist) and to a lesser extent Betts. Apart from Wright, Jack has very little competition.
At any rate, the wash up will come soon enough.
NBs on Channel 7 now!
Macreadie having a shocker in the NB, looks very slow... is he carrying an injury?
Unless SOS had his lupara pointed at a few other recruiters, there's probably a reason why he went pick 53.
Yes, I know such a view will win me no friends around here. I know he's a fave of many. I'm just calling it as I see it. He could become anything (good or bad), but at this point, I see him as an honest toiler.
I think Jack's tracking pretty well, he's not going to be a superstar but I think he''ll make a solid AFL player who should play 100+ games.
As for tonight I think we can win if we can make the game tight but GC won't want it that way so it will boil down to our run, tackling and 1 percenters.
The VFL was a bit disappointing, Kerridge and Graham probably the only two who made a case for selection but we know what they've got and it's lacking something.
We need McKay, Buckley, Pickett and a few others to be putting their hands up.
Macreadie having a shocker in the NB, looks very slow... is he carrying an injury?
Seems that went through the side at times.