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Title: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 05, 2017, 11:18:26 am
Let us hope that we show what we did against the Swans!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2017, 04:52:44 pm
Great win. Got a 50th tonight with lots of Filth supporters, she's gonna be on like donkey kong. I'll be in and under and BOG by a mile.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 06, 2017, 04:59:57 pm
How good was that   :))
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on May 06, 2017, 05:01:59 pm
Can't believe we won that! Looking forward to watching the replay soon  ;D

What's with the umps? Really try not to worry too much but feel
Like we were dudded big time.

Murph was great. Not sure about Kerrige.

Happy Daisy got that goal but still wouldn't be thrilled if he got a contract extension at the $ he's on now.

SPS so exciting - loved hearing him say the win was 'bloody terrific' at the end - hope he is enjoying being in Melbourne.

LOVE marchbank. Simmo Doch and Plow good again.

Cas got himself into it. Kruezer legend. Gibbs very smart footballer.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 06, 2017, 05:04:47 pm
3 wins, 2 in a row. Loving it.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: sandsmere on May 06, 2017, 05:04:58 pm
Plenty to like about that lot.

I know there's a long, long way to go, but we are on the way.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on May 06, 2017, 05:10:13 pm
Kerridge gives nothing less than 100% but it comes a time when that is not enough. That's when we know we are getting there on The Journey!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Jeffy38 on May 06, 2017, 05:16:01 pm
Well done blues, workmanlike, rolled up the sleeves and got it done.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on May 06, 2017, 05:19:09 pm
Nick Graham not getting much love only made one mistake trying to center the ball. Otherwise he was massive when the heat was on early
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2017, 05:31:20 pm
Nick Graham not getting much love only made one mistake trying to center the ball. Otherwise he was massive when the heat was on early
No no, fair is fair, Nicky G was more than serviceable today. If he keeps that up, who knows.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 06, 2017, 05:33:23 pm
No no, fair is fair, Nicky G was more than serviceable today. If he keeps that up, who knows.

IMO he was much better than he was last week.
Conditions suited him today.

He must be picked in every game that is wet.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2017, 05:37:16 pm
I reckon two weeks in a row, plus the Ess and GC games, we have seen 22 compete and contribute. Hope that "to little left to too few" thing that has dogged us is in the past.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Robblues on May 06, 2017, 05:43:10 pm
Great win, team effort, with several,players adding to there highlight reels.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on May 06, 2017, 05:50:37 pm
Bye bye Nafun.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Vivian on May 06, 2017, 05:58:43 pm
No players inside the circle for the song. We are on our way!

Go blues!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on May 06, 2017, 06:01:30 pm
Hands up those who were critical of the recruitment of Alex Silvagni??  (Mine is in the air!)  He has footy smarts, gives 100% and allows Rowe to concentrate solely on his job. 
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: deags on May 06, 2017, 06:01:36 pm
Only got to see the final 1.30.
Sounds like another trench fight win.

Please tell me that the cameras panned onto Eddie F/wit with a hang dawg face when they were beat... And someone will post it to youtube.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on May 06, 2017, 06:04:07 pm
FIGJAM is a joke....

they were as off as we are when we're off.

The lads did the job, let's savour it and then move forward.

Wat the the Pies' President's Club lunch.

Didn't see Eddie at the end, but spoke to Sticks - he was pumped!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on May 06, 2017, 06:05:48 pm
Was standing above the Carlton race at the end and noticed an uncharacteristic fist pump and show of real emotion from the coach. Must have meant a bit....
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on May 06, 2017, 06:14:29 pm
Sellars pretty much blamed Figjam for Collingwood's situation in saying that their approach and processes are just plain wrong. Reckoned the players are definitely having a crack but their efforts are being wasted.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on May 06, 2017, 06:21:11 pm
Not our problem, but Mason Cox's selection is a waste of time. Has no idea once the ball is out of the air.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: michael on May 06, 2017, 06:23:50 pm
I was down the city end, level 3 among the majority of pie supporters. Gee they are a bunch of sooks and imbeciles. I never heard so much vitriol from a bunch of supporters directed to their own team. I really enjoyed waving bye to them when they were leaving early. I also made it very clear to them in a loud and booming voice that it was only "side by side" when they were winning.

What stood out from me today was the effort across the board, I thought it was very even. Yes, there were obvious standout as in SPS and Caleb, I'm not going to pot anyone tonight, but I was thrilled with our effort and attack on the ball.

Another thing was our skill level, especially when we were moving the ball across the back line and in the past we would miss our targets and turn it over due to poor execution, this seems to have been tidied up considerably.

Go blues!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 06, 2017, 06:36:17 pm
I was down the city end, level 3 among the majority of pie supporters. Gee they are a bunch of sooks and imbeciles. I never heard so much vitriol from a bunch of supporters directed to their own team. I really enjoyed waving bye to them when they were leaving early. I also made it very clear to them in a loud and booming voice that it was only "side by side" when they were winning.

What stood out from me today was the effort across the board, I thought it was very even. Yes, there were obvious standout as in SPS and Caleb, I'm not going to pot anyone tonight, but I was thrilled with our effort and attack on the ball.

Another thing was our skill level, especially when we were moving the ball across the back line and in the past we would miss our targets and turn it over due to poor execution, this seems to have been tidied up considerably.

Go blues!

Yes our skill level (and confidence in each other) has improved out of sight.
The other thing is it looks like we have a game plan and we stick to it unlike previous years.

Our backline is awesome, I don't think I have been this confident with them since... dare I say it when we had the likes of Deano, Sexton, Christou and the clan roaming the grass.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 06, 2017, 06:39:07 pm
Hands up those who were critical of the recruitment of Alex Silvagni??  (Mine is in the air!)  He has footy smarts, gives 100% and allows Rowe to concentrate solely on his job.

Yep...my hand is up, but I did want him in the seniors after two really good NB's games but he has surpassed my expectations and will probably get a contract and its full credit to SOS..
A very savvy player who is much quicker and smarter than I thought...
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bear on May 06, 2017, 06:39:58 pm
Only got to see the final 1.30.
Sounds like another trench fight win.

Please tell me that the cameras panned onto Eddie F/wit with a hang dawg face when they were beat... And someone will post it to youtube.

Cut to him just after Daisy's goal in the last qtr!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on May 06, 2017, 06:44:56 pm
I was down the city end, level 3 among the majority of pie supporters. Gee they are a bunch of sooks and imbeciles. I never heard so much vitriol from a bunch of supporters directed to their own team. I really enjoyed waving bye to them when they were leaving early. I also made it very clear to them in a loud and booming voice that it was only "side by side" when they were winning.

What stood out from me today was the effort across the board, I thought it was very even. Yes, there were obvious standout as in SPS and Caleb, I'm not going to pot anyone tonight, but I was thrilled with our effort and attack on the ball.

Another thing was our skill level, especially when we were moving the ball across the back line and in the past we would miss our targets and turn it over due to poor execution, this seems to have been tidied up considerably.

Go blues!

The Pies' supporters around me (and there were many being at their function) seemed quite resigned to their demise....
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Bear on May 06, 2017, 06:46:10 pm
Yep...my hand is up, but I did want him in the seniors after two really good NB's games but he has surpassed my expectations and will probably get a contract and its full credit to SOS..
A very savvy player who is much quicker and smarter than I thought...

... and he seems to free up Marchbank... and I also wonder if there is a flow on effect to Simpson and Docherty.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 06, 2017, 07:01:47 pm
Plenty to like about that win, a good even team performance that never really gave Collingwood a sniff.
Marchbank was outstanding, SPS very good, a serviceable game from Thomas, Rowe thrashed Moore, Murphy BOG.
It's great to beat them.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 06, 2017, 07:03:12 pm
... and he seems to free up Marchbank... and I also wonder if there is a flow on effect to Simpson and Docherty.

No doubt about it IMO
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on May 06, 2017, 07:05:32 pm
You bl00dy bewdy! First the Cheats then the cold Pies - you gotta be happy with that  ^-^

The tackling and pressure was enormous, led by Kreuzer. Can't believe I voted to trade him out in last year's poll  :o

Bolts seems to have rectified the tendency to fade out for 10 mins or so. Players are learning that only 100% is good enough.

Simmo - if my lawyer didn't make me sign a form saying I wouldn't, I would have ran on to the ground and kissed you after that goal. Murph and Gibbs had good games but I wish they'd kick more team lifting goals like that (although Gibbs third q effort has to be goal of the week!).

SPS. Let's please not get too carried away.  Oh all right ... he's probably the best prospect I've seen for some time ever in the AFL any sport in Australia the world.

Matty Wright hang your head in shame - you actually missed a couple today  :P
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: deags on May 06, 2017, 07:06:42 pm
Cut to him just after Daisy's goal in the last qtr!

Nice. I will try to catch the replay when  it goes up on the AFL website.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 06, 2017, 07:22:25 pm
Whilst he's perhaps a minor player at the moment, nice for Kerridge to get a win in his 50th.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Mav on May 06, 2017, 07:22:59 pm
SPS is amazing!  No wonder his coach in WA rated him ahead of Jessie Hogan for talent (he coached both). Great footskills.  Hits those passes across his body perfectly.  Has the pace and tackling skills to apply Betts-like pressure and attacks the ball as if he's built like Dangerfield.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on May 06, 2017, 07:35:26 pm
Great to come on here atm - hey, I could get used to winning! ????
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 06, 2017, 07:35:57 pm

SPS. Let's please not get too carried away.  Oh all right ... he's probably the best prospect I've seen for some time ever in the AFL any sport in Australia the world.

Love it ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pinot on May 06, 2017, 07:48:58 pm

Another thing was our skill level, especially when we were moving the ball across the back line and in the past we would miss our targets and turn it over due to poor execution, this seems to have been tidied up considerably.

Go blues!

Yes it has!

Isn't it great to see.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: michael on May 06, 2017, 07:58:24 pm
I think its also worth noting that it rained for long periods during the match, it wasn't necessarily pissin down but a good ol drizzle, yet our skills were still very polished throughout.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 06, 2017, 07:59:00 pm
Hehehe.....

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Carlton FCā€¸Verified account @CarltonFC  3h3 hours ago

Happy birthday, Collingwood. What a party! #AFLPiesBlues #BoundByBlue

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 06, 2017, 08:03:21 pm
Holy Cow, we are a game out of the eight WTF? :o ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Slugger on May 06, 2017, 08:40:14 pm
Just home ,another pleasant 3 1/2 hour drive I could get used to this,Kruezer is the man he sets the standard and the others follow.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 06, 2017, 08:43:52 pm
I thought Daisy had a good afternoon today.  Perhaps the run in the NBs and Bolton's advice to play with more freedom undid the shackles.

I'd give him another season if he can play like that each week  :o
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on May 06, 2017, 08:58:57 pm
Just home ,another pleasant 3 1/2 hour drive I could get used to this,Kruezer is the man he sets the standard and the others follow.

Won't get a look on for AA but I wouldn't swap him for another ruckman at the minute. Doing it all this year. Tackles, hit outs, clearances, goals. Gun.

His cryptonite it having to play with another ruckman.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 06, 2017, 09:06:11 pm
I thought Daisy had a good afternoon today.  Perhaps the run in the NBs and Bolton's advice to play with more freedom undid the shackles.

I'd give him another season if he can play like that each week  :o

He did play well and it started with a spoil he made vs several opponents when he was outnumbered and denied the Pies the ball.....his goal was vintage Daisy from his
stellar days...
Another Year?...probably not if was coaching  but if he keeps that form up then those in charge will probably think about it...
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: bratblue on May 06, 2017, 09:26:30 pm
He did play well and it started with a spoil he made vs several opponents when he was outnumbered and denied the Pies the ball.....his goal was vintage Daisy from his
stellar days...
Another Year?...probably not if was coaching  but if he keeps that form up then those in charge will probably think about it...

Did someone say you were a hard man.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on May 06, 2017, 09:38:50 pm
You bl00dy bewdy! First the Cheats then the cold Pies - you gotta be happy with that  ^-^

The tackling and pressure was enormous, led by Kreuzer. Can't believe I voted to trade him out in last year's poll  :o

Bolts seems to have rectified the tendency to fade out for 10 mins or so. Players are learning that only 100% is good enough.

Simmo - if my lawyer didn't make me sign a form saying I wouldn't, I would have ran on to the ground and kissed you after that goal. Murph and Gibbs had good games but I wish they'd kick more team lifting goals like that (although Gibbs third q effort has to be goal of the week!).

SPS. Let's please not get too carried away.  Oh all right ... he's probably the best prospect I've seen for some time ever in the AFL any sport in Australia the world.

Matty Wright hang your head in shame - you actually missed a couple today  :P

SPS has a bit extra about him. Rising star 2 weeks in a row?

Media will be on about the pies problems, forget about us and we can continue slipping under the radar.

Backline: awesome.

Forward line: making a lot of progress now cas is leading the way.

Mids: still gettable as port proved but also capable of out-shining teams like the pies who are ranked very highly in that department.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 06, 2017, 09:54:31 pm
Did someone say you were a hard man.

Henry Ford had a proposal before him and the Ford Motor company board in the early days which every board member endorsed and could find no fault with.
Henry being the wise businessman that he was said surely there is one of you who can find a fault with this plan even a small one, no one could, so he said so lets think about it and  meet again in one months time and vote on the proposal.....4 weeks later it was rejected.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: bratblue on May 06, 2017, 10:03:04 pm
Henry Ford had a proposal before him and the Ford Motor company board in the early days which every board member endorsed and could find no fault with.
Henry being the wise businessman that he was said surely there is one of you who can find a fault with this plan even a small one, no one could, so he said so lets think about it and  meet again in one months time and vote on the proposal.....4 weeks later it was rejected.

Four weeks then :)
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 06, 2017, 10:15:27 pm
Holy Cow, we are a game out of the eight WTF? :o ;D

You need to be more optimistic.....only 2 games from the top 4...lol.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on May 06, 2017, 10:30:28 pm
WOW. Just WOW.

If Samo doesn't get the RS nomination, the system is broken. Sensational vision, strength, decision making, and disposal for a kid in his first year. He's also showing endurance beyond his stage of development - did he run through the middle for a while? So exciting to watch his development. It's a beautiful looking curve - up - up...... Sky's the limit. Congratulations Samo. You're doing all bluebaggers very proud.

Our defense was excellent. The seniors are doing a sterling job nurturing our young stars. Take a bow again COS. Shout out also to Lachie Plowman.

Our mids can take a bow. Murphy, Gibbs, Kruez played like no. 1 picks ::)
Crippa's a ripper. I thought Kerridge, Smedts, and Graham earned their spot. Ed  always gives 100%, but was a standout today.

Levi played like I'm dreaming he'll play - don't wake me until September ;)
He's leading by example, as did fresh Daisy. Young Charlie is building nicely and Weiters looked comfortable up fwd.

In all, loving the cohesion and "we" approach. The skills and decision making, and finally the finishing off are all indicators of real progress. I couldn't be happier.

Winners are grinners. Grin away bluebaggers ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: slikguy on May 06, 2017, 10:30:49 pm
I was happy with my own performance today. I managed to "trigger" every pies supporter in a 20m radius lol

I ran my mouth for 4 qtrs straight and finally got to them with about 5mins to go in the last.

It was glorious!!! Complete meltdown!!!

And I didn't even have to cuss, the scoreboard did the job.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on May 06, 2017, 10:53:41 pm
I was happy with my own performance today. I managed to "trigger" every pies supporter in a 20m radius lol

I ran my mouth for 4 qtrs straight and finally got to them with about 5mins to go in the last.

It was glorious!!! Complete meltdown!!!

And I didn't even have to cuss, the scoreboard did the job.

WOW silkguy
Sounds like you had a blinder today. Congratulations. You know the real champions. They achieve success and it looks, well, effortless :))
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: rocky on May 06, 2017, 11:16:10 pm
I've hated many clubs over the years with fluctuations in the level of that hate based on the circumstances of the time (I really disliked St Kilda more than anyone for a long while). However I've never forgotten my inherit long inbred abhorrence of the Collingwood Football Club. So it is with great pleasure I sit here after finishing a couple off bottles of plonk and say well done boys ..... well done.
If we only win 2 games a year let the first one be Collingwood and the second one ..... Collingwood.
Thanks to Eddie (Maguire not Betts) for having that beautiful purple melon head that just about splits every time we beat your rabble. That vision just about does it for me. Up yours. Your stinkin cessation plan failed. You're a brick.
Stinkin experts had us winning the spoon. Up yours. You have no idea,
Media, would be nice to tune into the shows this week and have something more about the CFC than just a conciliatory acknowledgement of "they were good". Probably be more about how Collingwood had to play too many games. Bite me!
Really good signs. Go Blues.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Jeffy38 on May 06, 2017, 11:24:13 pm
Love it rocky.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: John Corey on May 07, 2017, 12:40:47 am
It amazes me that Simmo is not talked about in the same way that ppl speak of Fyfe, Pendlebury, Selwood etc.

Simmo is an out and out superstar. I'm too scared to think about what our club would have been like without him over the last 5yrs. What he has been able to do in this game, with his body type & the brave way he plays, is nothing short of incredible. He is the Quarterback of our team. He showed it again today. Composed at all times, organising (with Docherty)  and those young kids like Williamson, Ploughman and Marchbank are gonna learn so much from him.

And that goal....with the little shimmy to fool the defender........

Yes. I do have Man Love for Simmo.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Brettie on May 07, 2017, 02:40:58 am
Not too much more to add, thought Kerrdge used the footy well today (not something you can always accuse him of), but Smedts.....nup, not for me, too many errors, bad decisions, bad executions, thought his failings shone out like a beacon today.

Great signs from so many young players. Williamson is a ripper btw.

I was in the MCC, Level 1, very pro-Carlton and the ovation Daisy rec'd when he came off after his goal....it was brilliant and he couldn't wipe the smile off his face. If you watch the replay, every goal whereby Daisy is in camera shot....look at his reaction, this meant a lot to him.

Kreuzer was colossal today, Mason Cox is nothing but a tall streak of misery, he is schithouse, what a waste of space.

Ed Curnow....brilliant. Pendlebury usually has his way with us and today he had 27 of the most meaningless possessions ever. Then once he'd done the job on him, he went to Treloar and did the same.

Just a nice day all round wasn't it!?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2017, 08:01:20 am
I've hated many clubs over the years with fluctuations in the level of that hate based on the circumstances of the time (I really disliked St Kilda more than anyone for a long while). However I've never forgotten my inherit long inbred abhorrence of the Collingwood Football Club. So it is with great pleasure I sit here after finishing a couple off bottles of plonk and say well done boys ..... well done.
If we only win 2 games a year let the first one be Collingwood and the second one ..... Collingwood.
Thanks to Eddie (Maguire not Betts) for having that beautiful purple melon head that just about splits every time we beat your rabble. That vision just about does it for me. Up yours. Your stinkin cessation plan failed. You're a brick.
Stinkin experts had us winning the spoon. Up yours. You have no idea,
Media, would be nice to tune into the shows this week and have something more about the CFC than just a conciliatory acknowledgement of "they were good". Probably be more about how Collingwood had to play too many games. Bite me!
Really good signs. Go Blues.
Well said Ol' Boy.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 08:05:26 am
I liked the interview after the game with SPS and King.
Sam spoke very well and had Kings measure, was the first to put his hand out to shake at the end too. Handled himself very well. Liked it. :)
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2017, 08:06:11 am
It amazes me that Simmo is not talked about in the same way that ppl speak of Fyfe, Pendlebury, Selwood etc.

Simmo is an out and out superstar. I'm too scared to think about what our club would have been like without him over the last 5yrs. What he has been able to do in this game, with his body type & the brave way he plays, is nothing short of incredible. He is the Quarterback of our team. He showed it again today. Composed at all times, organising (with Docherty)  and those young kids like Williamson, Ploughman and Marchbank are gonna learn so much from him.

And that goal....with the little shimmy to fool the defender........

Yes. I do have Man Love for Simmo.
I have said it plenty of times, he is my ALL TIME, yes ALL TIME, favorite Carlton player. If you had em all lined up against the wall to pick a side, on appearance you wouldn't pee on Simmo if he was on fire. But knowing what I know after 15 years and 260 plus games, I would pick him first every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The term heart and soul is sometimes used very loosely, however it is very apt for young Simmo.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 08:08:10 am
You need to be more optimistic.....only 2 games from the top 4...lol.

I was going to say 2 games from Richmond but their game was still going  ;D

But what the heck
Holy Cow we are only 2 games from Richmond WTF?  :o 8)  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 08:40:51 am
Haven't we had times where we had two 6 day breaks or are they talking about something different? :o
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 08:45:20 am
Can we talk about the umpires?
Bl**dy McInerney really tried to get the Filth back in the game in that 4thQ with some very dubious decisions. If the game was closer I reckon he would've be lynched >:(
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Vivian on May 07, 2017, 08:53:06 am
Great win yesterday against an old foe.

Must confess to not having any great dislike of collingwood, rather that the rivalry is fun and sustained.

The two clubs have an interesting history. Carlton added an extra game to their fixture that allowed collingwood to enter the VFA in 1892. And collingwood repaid the favour later in the decade by assisting carlton with our debts at the time as the depression bit hard.

Not sure what was going on yesterday with collingwood. Setting up with a spare man from the start was strange against a side that is kicking small scores.  Buckley may be on his way out, but the heart of the problem is their president, the John Coates of the AFL. Way too long for anyone and the club is rotten because of it.

But back to us. Sitting up a little higher than usual showed we are more organised than ever before. Our ability to retain shape under pressure and get to position during transition is largely the reason for the win. Silvagni and rowe were able to bookend the backline, allowing marchbank to take several intercept marks, and for docherty and simpson to get further up the ground. Switching play is thus a quicker exercise, as is centering the ball.  Our kicks forward are going in 15 metres deeper allowing us time to get forward and press.

Big round of applause to marc murphy. BOG yesterday and is becoming the captain the club needs. Credit to the club for putting in the resources and effort to him and backing him in.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: chalkybill on May 07, 2017, 09:02:45 am
I have said it plenty of times, he is my ALL TIME, yes ALL TIME, favorite Carlton player. If you had em all lined up against the wall to pick a side, on appearance you wouldn't pee on Simmo if he was on fire. But knowing what I know after 15 years and 260 plus games, I would pick him first every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The term heart and soul is sometimes used very loosely, however it is very apt for young Simmo.

I may be wrong but I seem to remember a very new to the club, young Simmo and perhaps DeLuca kicking a swag of goals in a night game at the G to absolutely stun the filth supporters.  I recall their supporters sitting stunned at the siren probably thinking "What the hell happened?  And how?"
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 09:03:04 am
Great post Viv. Big up from me.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on May 07, 2017, 09:05:04 am
I have said it plenty of times, he is my ALL TIME, yes ALL TIME, favorite Carlton player. If you had em all lined up against the wall to pick a side, on appearance you wouldn't pee on Simmo if he was on fire. But knowing what I know after 15 years and 260 plus games, I would pick him first every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The term heart and soul is sometimes used very loosely, however it is very apt for young Simmo.

Yes mate, he's right up there with Doully for me! Simmo is a true Blue and he's been through very dark days with us, always putting in his all! A legend dare I say.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on May 07, 2017, 09:09:51 am
@Viv

I agree about Murphy. He even sounds more comfortable as captain now. I was impressed by his composure in his interview post match on Grandstand.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on May 07, 2017, 09:30:54 am
@Viv

I agree about Murphy. He even sounds more comfortable as captain now. I was impressed by his composure in his interview post match on Grandstand.
I noticed this too - he seemed at ease. Cripps spoke of him in the rooms later and you can tell there's enormous respect there.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 09:56:39 am
I just pulled out from the bottom of my drawer the 'It's my club it's personal' Tshirt from 2003 and made me think that we are only now seeing the beginnings of a sustainable playing group and a cohesive club.
Been awhile between drinks  ::)
Light at the end of the tunnel and Blue skies ahead now  ;D (With a couple of hiccups to be expected)
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 07, 2017, 10:10:20 am
We've had our share of false dawns but I'm now starting to believe that this is the real thing.
SPS, Marchbank, Curnow, Weitering, Cripps, Plowman, Silvagni, Williamson and Fisher, all young and all outstanding prospects.
That's an awfully good core to build on, another two decent drafts and we can form a dynasty.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonHenry on May 07, 2017, 10:18:34 am
We've had our share of false dawns but I'm now starting to believe that this is the real thing.
SPS, Marchbank, Curnow, Weitering, Cripps, Plowman, Silvagni, Williamson and Fisher, all young and all outstanding prospects.
That's an awfully good core to build on, another two decent drafts and we can form a dynasty.

And no long term, high cost contracts to limit our trading potential.
Very strong position to be in.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 07, 2017, 10:30:29 am
And no long term, high cost contracts to limit our trading potential.
Very strong position to be in.

We'll need to offer some decent contracts in the next few years if we want to keep all of our high quality kids.
But it's not a bad situation to be in.
Another thing we'll need to get right is deciding who we can trade out while they still have the potential tag, in the past we've kept players too long and their trade value has evaporated.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on May 07, 2017, 10:40:47 am
Nick Graham not getting much love only made one mistake trying to center the ball. Otherwise he was massive when the heat was on early

Excellent game from Graham and not just because it was wet.

He will probably never gain the positive yardage that Simmo does but Bolton's short kicking possession game plays right into his skill set because he has always had the ability to run hard (not necessarily fast) to create space to receive a short pass and he is also good at hitting a target with a short kick.

Has never been afraid to put his body on the line but he surprised me yesterday with how well he competed over his head when the ball was kicked (too high) to him in the forward line. If he didn't mark it, he usually managed to bring the ball to ground. 
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 10:45:58 am
It amazes me that Simmo is not talked about in the same way that ppl speak of Fyfe, Pendlebury, Selwood etc.

Simmo is an out and out superstar. I'm too scared to think about what our club would have been like without him over the last 5yrs. What he has been able to do in this game, with his body type & the brave way he plays, is nothing short of incredible. He is the Quarterback of our team. He showed it again today. Composed at all times, organising (with Docherty)  and those young kids like Williamson, Ploughman and Marchbank are gonna learn so much from him.

And that goal....with the little shimmy to fool the defender........

Yes. I do have Man Love for Simmo.

What gets me about Simmo is that he has ZERO All Australians. Yup, not a single one.
Someone like Corey Enright has 6 basically playing the same role.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=I&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=234&pid2=446&fid1=C&fid2=C
Tell me that based on those stats, one player should have 6 AA's and the other 0.

Perhaps Enright had some standout years by comparison? Lets look at his last 3 AA's and compare with Simmo the same year.

2016
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=I&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=234&pid2=446&fid1=P&fopt1=2016&fid2=P&fopt2=2016

2013
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=I&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=234&pid2=446&fid1=P&fopt1=2013&fid2=P&fopt2=2013

2011
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=I&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=234&pid2=446&fid1=P&fopt1=2011&fid2=P&fopt2=2011


Simmo deserves a lot more credit from the footballing world.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 10:53:57 am
I agree kruddler, but it's a simple fact of life that players in successful teams get noticed more than players with equivalent output in less successful teams. And it's not just in sport. Injustice is a very real component of the human condition.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: BluePhantom on May 07, 2017, 10:54:46 am
Excellent game from Graham and not just because it was wet.

He will probably never gain the positive yardage that Simmo does but Bolton's short kicking possession game plays right into his skill set because he has always had the ability to run hard (not necessarily fast) to create space to receive a short pass and he is also good at hitting a target with a short kick.

Has never been afraid to put his body on the line but he surprised me yesterday with how well he competed over his head when the ball was kicked (too high) to him in the forward line. If he didn't mark it, he usually managed to bring the ball to ground.
Brock Maclean style.
Twice he was standing in the goal square for the quick handball and goal but was overlooked.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on May 07, 2017, 10:55:16 am
Nick Graham not getting much love only made one mistake trying to center the ball. Otherwise he was massive when the heat was on early

Wrapped that you mentioned this. Like last week and probably even better, he was contributing well when the heat was on. Our 'lesser lights' sure did contribute well/play their part... Graham, ASOS, Wright (fast becoming the delisted free agent of the decade!), Kerridge (disposal was better but still some howlers!), Smedts... first year blokes SPS and Willo look right at home and will only improve!

One of the best 'even' performances from our boys in a long, long time. Everyone seemed to pull their weight. No passengers. No excessive reliance on a few brilliant individuals.

What a test it will be against the Aints ...a good side in very good form.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 11:02:27 am
Brock Maclean style.
Twice he was standing in the goal square for the quick handball and goal but was overlooked.

Never agreed with getting rid of Brock. Players like that are very useful in the overall balance of an AFL team.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 11:05:22 am
Never agreed with getting rid of Brock. Players like that are very useful in the overall balance of an AFL team.

Simple. Attitude....and thus culture.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 11:10:17 am
Simple. Attitude....and thus culture.

Seriously ? Hardly a problem child.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 11:13:56 am
Seriously ? Hardly a problem child.

Very outspoken. Compared to Ellard who was a church mouse who followed orders and gave as much of himself on game day.
That was the choice on who to delist McLean or Ellard.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 11:25:13 am
Very outspoken. Compared to Ellard who was a church mouse who followed orders and gave as much of himself on game day.
That was the choice on who to delist McLean or Ellard.

Wow. Unless our club is full of pearl clutchers, I fail to see why this is a hanging offense. I like Slug, but Brock is twice the footballer he is.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 07, 2017, 11:32:39 am
Wow. Unless our club is full of pearl clutchers, I fail to see why this is a hanging offense. I like Slug, but Brock is twice the footballer he is.

Yes, I have to agree.

It seems many people fail to recognise the need for players like McLean and Graham, Wright falls in the same boat. They might not be the highlight reel players, but they are the ones who run to the right spot, never stop working, always do the right thing by their team-mates, draw opponents away, fight for every possession. For that matter Daisy is also becoming that type of footballer. They are the guys who contest against ruckmen or race horses, they might not win but they always compete. They are Anti-Yarrans, they will still be competing even if we are 10 gaols down with 60s left on the clock, that is all a fan can ask for and it's called heart!

That was how we beat Collingwood yesterday, we had a team full of players working hard in unison, I didn't see a single passenger wearing Navy Blue!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 11:41:16 am
Wow. Unless our club is full of pearl clutchers, I fail to see why this is a hanging offense. I like Slug, but Brock is twice the footballer he is.

What hanging offense?

It was a list of pros vs cons between the 2. Very similar players in a lot of ways. The one con that Brock had that Ellard didn't was his mouth. When you have to cut one, you go through the list of pros vs cons. What happened happened. Its a numbers game.

Laidler, Robinson, Garlett, Waite....even Betts and Fev are all examples of players who were let go by the club despite having some ability. All had more ability than Brock. The club set in place a direction that has pushed us to where we are today.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 07, 2017, 11:43:37 am
Ellard was a VFL hacker, Brock was overvalued with what he cost us for the trade...

Wright is the type of player you want ...squeezed out of a quality list due to a over supply of talent not because he wasnt any good, not injury prone
and free of cost...

Jarrod Lyons is another Crows player now at GC who fits that style....28 possies vs the Cats, played ok vs us too.......
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on May 07, 2017, 11:46:26 am
Yes, I have to agree.

It seems many people fail to recognise the need for players like McLean and Graham, Wright falls in the same boat. They might not be the highlight reel players, but they are the ones who run to the right spot, never stop working, always do the right thing by their team-mates, draw opponents away, fight for every possession. For that matter Daisy is also becoming that type of footballer. They are the guys who contest against ruckmen or race horses, they might not win but they always compete. They are Anti-Yarrans, they will still be competing even if we are 10 gaols down with 60s left on the clock, that is all a fan can ask for and it's called heart!

That was how we beat Collingwood yesterday, we had a team full of players working hard in unison, I didn't see a single passenger wearing Navy Blue!

Well said. You look at any premiership side and you'll find that the 'bottom 4' or so are the Grahams, ASOSs, Rowes, Whites, Kerridges etc., despite their faults their chests are full of heart.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 11:48:04 am
What hanging offense?

It was a list of pros vs cons between the 2. Very similar players in a lot of ways. The one con that Brock had that Ellard didn't was his mouth. When you have to cut one, you go through the list of pros vs cons. What happened happened. Its a numbers game.

Laidler, Robinson, Garlett, Waite....even Betts and Fev are all examples of players who were let go by the club despite having some ability. All had more ability than Brock. The club set in place a direction that has pushed us to where we are today.

Under normal circumstances, a post like this would tick me off no end, and would lead to a resumption of our traditional hostilities. But my new medication is a most wondrous thing. So not today. 
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on May 07, 2017, 11:53:32 am


It was a list of pros vs cons between the 2. Very similar players in a lot of ways. The one con that Brock had that Ellard didn't was his mouth. When you have to cut one, you go through the list of pros vs cons. What happened happened. Its a numbers game.



Okay, I'll bite... surely you're taking the p1ss. McLean was far better than Slug. Don't get me wrong, I loved Slug's desire, attitude, heart but he was just too small and slow. McLean may have been slow but he had a footy noggin. I loved that McLean was outspoken, especially on important social issues.

Pass me some of your medication please, PP... I'm getting wound up here...  ;) ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 11:57:04 am
Okay, I'll bite... surely you're taking the p1ss. McLean was far better than Slug. Don't get me wrong, I loved Slug's desire, attitude, heart but he was just too small and slow. McLean may have been slow but he had a footy noggin. I loved that McLean was outspoken, especially on important social issues.

Pass me some of your medication please, PP... I'm getting wound up here...  ;) ;D

In the mail Baggers.

I just think it's the way with kruddler that he will try to put a positive spin on anything associated with MM, irrespective of how flimsy the argument, or how the tenuous the proposition. But that's why we love him.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 07, 2017, 01:08:45 pm
In the mail Baggers.

I just think it's the way with kruddler that he will try to put a positive spin on anything associated with MM,

MM traded Hampson for Docherty, despite his other numerous failures and shortcomings that alone makes him a favourite of mine.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 07, 2017, 01:11:44 pm
MM traded Hampson for Docherty, despite his other numerous failures and shortcomings that alone makes him a favourite of mine.

MM let Betts, Lailder and Waite go for NADA, and got rid of a Robinson who's won a B&F and finished top 3 each year since he left.

That makes MM a spud!

Btw., We traded Hampson for Pick 32, which we give to the Swans for Andrejs Everitt and Pick 39!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: maxm68 on May 07, 2017, 01:13:24 pm


Ed Curnow....brilliant. Pendlebury usually has his way with us and today he had 27 of the most meaningless possessions ever. Then once he'd done the job on him, he went to Treloar and did the same.



Another good game ... He goes under the radar,  not flashy but just works his arse off week in week out.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 07, 2017, 01:26:44 pm
MM let Betts, Lailder and Waite go for NADA, and got rid of a Robinson who's won a B&F and finished top 3 each year since he left.

That makes MM a spud!

Btw., We traded Hampson for Pick 32, which we give to the Swans for Andrejs Everitt and Pick 39!

Docherty cost us pick 33, I'm not about splitting hairs.
Betts was a free agent and wanted to go back to SA, it was common knowledge mid season.
Laidler is ho hum, he wouldn't get a game in our current back 6.
Waite hadn't played a full season for 6 years when he left Carlton and North offered him a three year contract thinking they were on the verge of a flag, it would have been criminal negligence to match their offer.
Brisbane are welcome to Robinson in my opinion.
Appointing Malthouse was a mistake but so was appointing Ratten, Pagan and Brittain before him, hopefully we've finally got our act together.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 07, 2017, 01:30:34 pm
Docherty cost us pick 33, I'm not about splitting hairs.

So your support for MM is based on a completely wrong belief, I can't argue with that it's a Trumpism, fact splitting!

Appointing some of those coaches wasn't a mistake, sacking some of them was. If BB hits hard times it will be interesting to see if we have learned anything, until then or until we have some success who knows!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Jean-Claude on May 07, 2017, 01:40:34 pm
Really impressed with the win yesterday. More so because it was just a solid win every quarter, consistent effort type of win you would expect from a much more mature side. Probably largely due to the coaching and the guys really playing for each other and as a team.

Side note, Charlie looks like he going to rip a game wide open sometime this year. Watching him live he exudes some real potential. Think he is going to have some serious presence out there soon.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 01:44:09 pm
In the mail Baggers.

I just think it's the way with kruddler that he will try to put a positive spin on anything associated with MM, irrespective of how flimsy the argument, or how the tenuous the proposition. But that's why we love him.

I'm pretty sure i haven't mentioned Mick Malthouse at all. I mentioned players, some of which went during Micks time, but that also included Fevola who was pre-mick.

I think you boys need to get over your Malthouse obsession.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on May 07, 2017, 01:44:44 pm
Really impressed with the win yesterday. More so because it was just a solid win every quarter, consistent effort type of win you would expect from a much more mature side. Probably largely due to the coaching and the guys really playing for each other and as a team.

Side note, Charlie looks like he going to rip a game wide open sometime this year. Watching him live he exudes some real potential. Think he is going to have some serious presence out there soon.

Great post JC. I couldn't agree more. Add a sprinkle of aggression to the team mindset and this group could challenge any side. Watching it all come together is as satisfying as it gets in club-land ^-^

Go new Blues
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 01:47:55 pm
I'm pretty sure i haven't mentioned Mick Malthouse at all. I mentioned players, some of which went during Micks time, but that also included Fevola who was pre-mick.

I think you boys need to get over your Malthouse obsession.

Given your history on this topic, whether you mention his name or not, your intent and belief is clear, and don't pretend otherwise. You have stated on more than one occasion that in your opinion, MM started the reset. As George Costanza once said, "it's not a lie if you believe it."
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 07, 2017, 01:48:07 pm

Appointing some of those coaches wasn't a mistake, sacking some of them was. If BB hits hard times it will be interesting to see if we have learned anything, until then or until we have some success who knows!

I disagee.
Brittain was annointed by Parkin and appointed without due deliberation, Pagan was appointed to save Elliott's skin, Ratten was appointed to appease the membership and Malthouse was appointed by a panicked board which needed a big name.
In no case was due diligence performed, regardless of their respective abilities, so in my opinion they were all errors of judgement.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 01:56:26 pm
Given your history on this topic, whether you mention his name or not, your intent and belief is clear, and don't pretend otherwise. You have stated on more than one occasion that in your opinion, MM started the reset. As George Costanza once said, "it's not a lie if you believe it."

You guys think about Malthouse more than i do.

I know my intent when i post. I don't need you to pyschoanalyse it and interpret it incorrectly.

EDIT.
To get back to what i posted initially....
Simple. Attitude....and thus culture.
You've assumed that this meant Mick had the one and only call on this.
Personally i disagree. I've long been harping on about someone else being held responsible for list management at the club, and reckon Andy McKay needs to take his fair share of the blame on this.
Conveniently you've overlooked those posts i've made.

Don't give up your day job 'shrink'.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Milhanna13 on May 07, 2017, 01:57:56 pm


Another thing was our skill level, especially when we were moving the ball across the back line and in the past we would miss our targets and turn it over due to poor execution, this seems to have been tidied up considerably.

Go blues!

I kept saying the exact same thing to my mates yesterday.  Little handballs and quick kicks out of packs were hitting targets.  And more importantly, no fumbles from blokes running past.  AND it was wet?? Looked completely different from some of our earlier games

Just a bit of confidence, and the skill level goes up??  Could that be it???
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on May 07, 2017, 02:01:23 pm
Just a bit of confidence, and the skill level goes up??  Could that be it???

And lack of pressure from the opposition, they are spuds!!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 02:08:18 pm
You guys think about Malthouse more than i do.

I know my intent when i post. I don't need you to pyschoanalyse it and interpret it incorrectly.

EDIT.
To get back to what i posted initially....You've assumed that this meant Mick had the one and only call on this.
Personally i disagree. I've long been harping on about someone else being held responsible for list management at the club, and reckon Andy McKay needs to take his fair share of the blame on this.
Conveniently you've overlooked those posts i've made.

Don't give up your day job 'shrink'.

My interpretation of both your posts and your position on this topic is perfectly correct and perfectly valid.

People pick and choose who to blame for recruiting based on what best suits their argument. Sometimes the coach, sometimes the recruiters, sometimes the head of football.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: michael on May 07, 2017, 02:20:06 pm
I kept saying the exact same thing to my mates yesterday.  Little handballs and quick kicks out of packs were hitting targets.  And more importantly, no fumbles from blokes running past.  AND it was wet?? Looked completely different from some of our earlier games

Just a bit of confidence, and the skill level goes up??  Could that be it???

It was a combination of many factors that created what we saw in the game yesterday. There is no doubt that the confidence in each other has lifted, and more importantly it becomes contagious. I remember earlier in the season when we would fail basic skill execution and gifted the opposition so many easy turnovers and they would score, especially in our defensive 50. But you watch yesterday games and see how CLEAN the ball came out so even if we did turn it over it it was a lot further up the ground and was not in a dangerous spot.

Pay attention to some of the long kicks across our backline as well, they were classy and accurate, rarely did our lads have to break stride to tidy up the receives.

Not to sure how it looked to you all, but how many times did our boys look like they were panicking when they had possession? I cant remember seeing a Carlton team that look so composed and knew what to do when they had the ball.

This is why I picked Caleb for the Rising star nomination, and that's not taking anything away from Sammo, SPS was fantastic yesterday + getting the photo with me on Friday should have made me choose him for the rising star nomination a given, but the amount of times Caleb took uncontested marks using his ability to fill the gaps and read where the ball was going to go just blew me away.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2017, 04:38:25 pm
Can't believe we won that! Looking forward to watching the replay soon  ;D

What's with the umps? Really try not to worry too much but feel
Like we were dudded big time.
I wasn't worried about the umps in the 1st half, but after half time the umpiring was very poor and very much not our way. Some of the decisions were simply incredible, especially some of the 'push - outs'. It appeared that the interpretation from last week had gone out the window like a Czech Defenestration.


Murph was great. Not sure about Kerridge.
Murphy showed how much we missed him last year. Hs ability to get the ball and not stuff up was really good. Early in the season his disposal was a bit dodgy, and his turnovers hurt us badly. However, not many turnovers this week.
Kerridge did some very good work in and under and had a lot of tackles (9), but as the game went on his disposal dropped off badly. If he is going to be a regular for us, he really has to work on that. Otherwise, younger players will be looking at his spot.


Happy Daisy got that goal but still wouldn't be thrilled if he got a contract extension at the $ he's on now.
Daisy had 20 possessions and 9 marks. He earned his spot for next week. I wouldn't want to predict further than that.


SPS so exciting - loved hearing him say the win was 'bloody terrific' at the end - hope he is enjoying being in Melbourne.
A pity he died out in the last quarter. His play was lovely to watch. And his ability to make something out of not much was inspirational. He'll get a Rising Star Nomination soon, if the 'judges' have any idea at all.


LOVE marchbank. Simmo, Doch and Plow good again.
I thought Plow was down a bit, to be honest, but I love the way our defence plays. The number of times Collingwood forwards and smalls failed to get a kick off close to goal was lovely to see. Neither Silvagni nor Rowe had a lot of the ball this week, but they more than did their jobs. The 2 Collingwood tall forwards were ineffective. Our small and mid defenders were excellent.


Cas got himself into it. Kruezer legend. Gibbs very smart footballer.
The thing I liked about Kreuzer was that he was playing someone who usually beats him in Grundy. But Kreuzer was great in his efforts to reduce his effectiveness and still managed to give our mids a real hand. The stats say that Grundy had more of almost everything, but what they do not show was how relatively ineffective Grundy was. Kreuzer, on the other hand, was far from ineffective.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2017, 04:40:43 pm
Hands up those who were critical of the recruitment of Alex Silvagni??  (Mine is in the air!)  He has footy smarts, gives 100% and allows Rowe to concentrate solely on his job.
I have my hand up as well. I thought we'd made a mistake. Looks like Stephen Silvagni knew more than I did. Kudos where it deserves to be.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonHenry on May 07, 2017, 04:50:20 pm
Well done again to Sam Rowe.
He's had about 5 goals kicked on him in 7 rounds of footy.

SPS worked very hard both ways.
Great to see his defensive efforts added to his classy decision making and ball use.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 07, 2017, 05:45:13 pm
Well done again to Sam Rowe.
He's had about 5 goals kicked on him in 7 rounds of footy.

SPS worked very hard both ways.
Great to see his defensive efforts added to his classy decision making and ball use.

Actually on an analysis a few weeks ago, since 2014, he had equal least goals kicked on him as a key defender in the comp with Alex Rance.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 06:12:49 pm
Actually on an analysis a few weeks ago, since 2014, he had equal least goals kicked on him as a key defender in the comp with Alex Rance.

And without all the "accidental" face slaps and head punches that you get with AR.

Do you have a link for this Jim ?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 06:20:14 pm
My interpretation of both your posts and your position on this topic is perfectly correct and perfectly valid.

Even if you do say so yourself? Since you know me better than i know myself, i should just let you post on my behalf from now on?

People pick and choose who to blame for recruiting based on what best suits their argument. Sometimes the coach, sometimes the recruiters, sometimes the head of football.

Yeah, we know where you stand on the topic.

Newsflash einstein, there is not 1 person completely responsible. This is a position i've held for a long time. FYI, the board needs to take their fair whack as well as they've overseen the whole process.

BUT, if it helps you sleep at night, blame Mick for everything. Don't look outside your little box as the outside world can be big and scary and sometimes, yes sometimes, it may be completely different to what you think. Shocking i know.

Brock McLean is a god who was harshly dealt with by the Mick "evil emperor" Malthouse. He went on to much bigger, better and brighter things since leaving the club too.

Enough of this BS.

Carlton flogged Collingwood.
Next.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 07, 2017, 06:21:57 pm
And without all the "accidental" face slaps and head punches that you get with AR.

Do you have a link for this Jim ?

I have to remember where to find it. At the time it was 135 goals each.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 07, 2017, 06:22:25 pm
And without all the "accidental" face slaps and head punches that you get with AR.

Do you have a link for this Jim ?

It was in a photograph in a FB post.  I thought it was from 2013 and just a little dodgy since Rowe's ten games that season were as a key forward/ruckman.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 06:28:42 pm
Even if you do say so yourself? Since you know me better than i know myself, i should just let you post on my behalf from now on?

Yeah, we know where you stand on the topic.

Newsflash einstein, there is not 1 person completely responsible. This is a position i've held for a long time. FYI, the board needs to take their fair whack as well as they've overseen the whole process.

BUT, if it helps you sleep at night, blame Mick for everything. Don't look outside your little box as the outside world can be big and scary and sometimes, yes sometimes, it may be completely different to what you think. Shocking i know.

Brock McLean is a god who was harshly dealt with by the Mick "evil emperor" Malthouse. He went on to much bigger, better and brighter things since leaving the club too.

Enough of this BS.

Carlton flogged Collingwood.
Next.

Nice of you to completely misunderstand (yet again) my position on these issues. When you're cornered you resort to personal insults and misrepresentations. A real class act.

The exalted status you seem to enjoy on these forums has never ceased to amaze me.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on May 07, 2017, 06:30:02 pm
It was in a photograph in a FB post.  I thought it was from 2013 and just a little dodgy since Rowe's ten games that season were as a key forward/ruckman.



I have to remember where to find it. At the time it was 135 goals each.


Thanks gents.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 07, 2017, 06:33:27 pm
I'm pretty sure i haven't mentioned Mick Malthouse at all. I mentioned players, some of which went during Micks time, but that also included Fevola who was pre-mick.

I think you boys need to get over your Malthouse obsession.

How did we get back here?

All I know is we are going to have real good side in 3 years. We've recruited to cover nearly all our weaknesses and all these young blokes are showing plenty.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 06:57:08 pm
How did we get back here?

All I know is we are going to have real good side in 3 years. We've recruited to cover nearly all our weaknesses and all these young blokes are showing plenty.

Well what happened is PaulP 'read my mind' "perfectly" and corrected it and told me what i was trying to say.  :-\

Then complains about it when i disagree. Are we in the matrix or something?

As for the last point you raise, we better hope that Ben Silvagni is everything we hope he is and more...as it appears we have a lot riding on him.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on May 07, 2017, 06:59:12 pm
Well what happened is PaulP 'read my mind' "perfectly" and corrected it and told me what i was trying to say.  :-\

Then complains about it when i disagree. Are we in the matrix or something?

As for the last point you raise, we better hope that Ben Silvagni is everything we hope he is and more...as it appears we have a lot riding on him.

With or without him what we've recruited is looking more than promising as it stands.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 07, 2017, 07:06:16 pm
How did we get back here?

All I know is we are going to have real good side in 3 years. We've recruited to cover nearly all our weaknesses and all these young blokes are showing plenty.

I know Darcy is generally considered a flog etc but he has apparently predicted that we will have the best list, along with Melbourne, in three years time.  I think he is on the money, although it may come about before three years are up.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2017, 07:07:10 pm
I know Darcy is generally considered a flog etc but he has apparently predicted that we will have the best list, along with Melbourne, in three years time.  I think he is on the money, although it may come about before three years are up.

Did he predict GWS will fold while he was at it?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 07, 2017, 09:07:33 pm
On the Brock McLean discussion, there is a massive factor that all parties have failed to consider.

Brock's requested wages vs ellard.

Don't anyone tell me that Brock would have played for even close to similar dollars as ellard and before I hear daisy's name, it's becoming more apparent to me that we had a bunch of hired guns leave us, for not remarkable differences and we're setting the wrong standards.

Daisy might not have earned his wage but no one can tell me he hasn't tried to.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on May 07, 2017, 09:09:22 pm
I know Darcy is generally considered a flog etc but he has apparently predicted that we will have the best list, along with Melbourne, in three years time.  I think he is on the money, although it may come about before three years are up.

We're trying to fly under the radar darcy you flog.

He'll always be a flog to me.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 07, 2017, 09:15:49 pm
On the Brock McLean discussion, there is a massive factor that all parties have failed to consider.

Brock's requested wages vs ellard.

Don't anyone tell me that Brock would have played for even close to similar dollars as ellard and before I hear daisy's name, it's becoming more apparent to me that we had a bunch of hired guns leave us, for not remarkable differences and we're setting the wrong standards.

Daisy might not have earned his wage but no one can tell me he hasn't tried to.

Remember that Brock had agreed to terms with the club before he went overseas.  It wasn't dollars that cost him his spot, it was creating a place on the list for Jason Tutt  ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 07, 2017, 10:18:29 pm
In a McLean vs ellard discussion that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 07, 2017, 11:43:34 pm
In a McLean vs ellard discussion that doesn't matter.

It does when you intimate that Davey Ellard was preferred over Brock because the latter was on more coin.  The fact that the club had agreed to terms with Brock suggests that money wasn't an issue. 

Anyway, why is this an issue in the post game thread? 
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 08, 2017, 10:44:16 am
Remember that Brock had agreed to terms with the club before he went overseas.  It wasn't dollars that cost him his spot, it was creating a place on the list for Jason Tutt  ::)

And there's one of the reasons we spent so long in the dunny.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 08, 2017, 11:07:09 am
And there's one of the reasons we spent so long in the dunny.

Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shadesy on May 08, 2017, 11:12:11 am
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 08, 2017, 11:16:33 am
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

Yep, it's why I think MiniJudd is such a great nickname for this kid!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: blue4life on May 08, 2017, 11:27:36 am
Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!

I remember a few years ago when we decided that due to our repeated draft busts we needed players of a certain age range, so we recruited them whether they could play or not, Tutt was probably one of them.
It's been a comedy of errors which is why I'm struggling to believe that we might finally be getting it right.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on May 08, 2017, 11:28:51 am
Yep, it's why I think MiniJudd is such a great nickname for this kid!

And he's a bloody fierce tackler!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2017, 11:43:36 am
Do you remember before we recruited Tutt one of the assessments by those in charge was that we had too many introverts, so their answer to that problem was to recruit a mouse!
:)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonHenry on May 08, 2017, 11:44:23 am
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.

Agree, all the attacking things were great, but he ran harder defensively than any other player.
Ran past Bryce numerous times....
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2017, 11:46:34 am
i was over from Perth for Work and stayed to head to the G.

Imagine being 18 years old and as good as Footy as SPS is. I have seen 2 perfromances live that have stuck with me. One was Chris Judd playing against us at Subiaco and SPS on Saturday. A star was born today.

But he does the little things as well. Harasses on the marks, makes a mistake and attacks the next contest to make Amends, always trying to hi five hi teammates and dap them.

My Word... I cannot state the game that kid had.
This stands out with him for me also. He just doesnt give up, when he makes a blue, its like he is annoyed with himself, sees red and goes hard at the next context. He is indeed special and we havent seen anything yet. Scary.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2017, 11:51:01 am
And he's a bloody fierce tackler!
29 for the year, look at the names and experience around him. Impressive.
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   7   46
2   Patrick Cripps   7   42
3   Bryce Gibbs   7   40
4   Marc Murphy   7   37
5   Matthew Kreuzer   6   35
6   Sam Petrevski-Seton   7   29
7   Kade Simpson   7   28
8   Matthew Wright   7   20
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on May 08, 2017, 12:21:13 pm
29 for the year, look at the names and experience around him. Impressive.
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   7   46
2   Patrick Cripps   7   42
3   Bryce Gibbs   7   40
4   Marc Murphy   7   37
5   Matthew Kreuzer   6   35
6   Sam Petrevski-Seton   7   29
7   Kade Simpson   7   28
8   Matthew Wright   7   20

When I look at the tackle numbers I think what they might have been at this point 3 years ago (in the middle of the Malthouse Era). I would put money on Gibbs and Murphy NOT being in our top 4. Simo probably would have been in the top 10, and probably Ed Curnow, but that would be about it.
This sort of data shows some of development done in the Bolton administration.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2017, 12:29:13 pm
When I look at the tackle numbers I think what they might have been at this point 3 years ago (in the middle of the Malthouse Era). I would put money on Gibbs and Murphy NOT being in our top 4. Simo probably would have been in the top 10, and probably Ed Curnow, but that would be about it.
This sort of data shows some of development done in the Bolton administration.
Tackle stats in 2013/14/15.
2013
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   21   99
2   Mitch Robinson   21   82
3   Marc Murphy   23   79
4   Brock McLean   22   77
5   Christopher Yarran   21   76
5   Jeff Garlett   22   76
7   Bryce Gibbs   21   75
8   Matthew Kreuzer   17   71
9   Jaryd Cachia   14   68
9   Chris Judd   20   68

2014
1   Bryce Gibbs   22   108
2   Marc Murphy   20   99
3   Andrew Carrazzo   14   86
4   Edward Curnow   15   74
5   David Ellard   13   62
6   Dale Thomas   20   57
7   Kade Simpson   22   52
8   Brock McLean   16   49
8   Mitch Robinson   12   49
10   Christopher Yarran   21   47

2015
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   22   98
1   Patrick Cripps   20   98
3   Tom Bell   22   87
4   Marc Murphy   19   65
5   Andrew Carrazzo   16   63
6   Matthew Kreuzer   13   55
7   Bryce Gibbs   10   54
8   Sam Rowe   20   43
9   Kade Simpson   20   42
10   Sam Docherty   19   40

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on May 08, 2017, 01:26:38 pm
Tackle stats in 2013/14/15.
2013
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   21   99
2   Mitch Robinson   21   82
3   Marc Murphy   23   79
4   Brock McLean   22   77
5   Christopher Yarran   21   76
5   Jeff Garlett   22   76
7   Bryce Gibbs   21   75
8   Matthew Kreuzer   17   71
9   Jaryd Cachia   14   68
9   Chris Judd   20   68

2014
1   Bryce Gibbs   22   108
2   Marc Murphy   20   99
3   Andrew Carrazzo   14   86
4   Edward Curnow   15   74
5   David Ellard   13   62
6   Dale Thomas   20   57
7   Kade Simpson   22   52
8   Brock McLean   16   49
8   Mitch Robinson   12   49
10   Christopher Yarran   21   47

2015
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Edward Curnow   22   98
1   Patrick Cripps   20   98
3   Tom Bell   22   87
4   Marc Murphy   19   65
5   Andrew Carrazzo   16   63
6   Matthew Kreuzer   13   55
7   Bryce Gibbs   10   54
8   Sam Rowe   20   43
9   Kade Simpson   20   42
10   Sam Docherty   19   40

Interesting!

Gibbs and Murphy really led the way in 2014.  However, if they maintain their tackle rates this season, Gibbs will end up with around 125 and Murphy will have around 115.  Are they tackling more, is the team tackling more or has tackling gone up across the competition?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 08, 2017, 01:40:36 pm
Interesting!

Gibbs and Murphy really led the way in 2014.  However, if they maintain their tackle rates this season, Gibbs will end up with around 125 and Murphy will have around 115.  Are they tackling more, is the team tackling more or has tackling gone up across the competition?
Year   Tackles   CFC Rank
2013   26,070   6
2014   27,460   18
2015   27,039   18
2016   28,902   16
Sydney has been ranked 1 every one of those years.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shadesy on May 08, 2017, 02:27:56 pm
Gee Charlie Curnow is a smooth Mover and leaps at the ball. This Kid can Play

And Caleb for Tuohy,,, yes x 10000000
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: chalkybill on May 08, 2017, 02:40:57 pm
Yep, it's why I think MiniJudd is such a great nickname for this kid!

I think that Syd-2 (or similar) would be better.  Syd Jackson wore the same number and had similar moves to Sam.  And he liked to kick a goal or two.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 08, 2017, 03:16:24 pm
And Caleb for Tuohy,,, yes x 10000000

Yep, no questions now about why the Tuohy departure happened.

The right structures from Silvagni, Rowe, Plowman and Marchbank free up Docherty and Simpson to push forward. Can also imagine Byrne or Sheahan off the HBF in the future once Simmo retires.

Foundations are there, time to build on them!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on May 08, 2017, 03:41:37 pm
My cats supporting mates are now whinging about Touhy.... Runs into trouble, gets caught out of position, dumb kicks from fullback (the long bomb down the middle seems the default setting), gets outmarked too easily....yada yada.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonHenry on May 08, 2017, 03:58:48 pm
My cats supporting mates are now whinging about Touhy.... Runs into trouble, gets caught out of position, dumb kicks from fullback (the long bomb down the middle seems the default setting), gets outmarked too easily....yada yada.

Marchbank wouldn't get a game at the cats  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on May 08, 2017, 04:00:54 pm
My cats supporting mates are now whinging about Touhy.... Runs into trouble, gets caught out of position, dumb kicks from fullback (the long bomb down the middle seems the default setting), gets outmarked too easily....yada yada.

I do miss Tuohy, but I think there is zero chance of him doing a Betts or Robbo!

You just know he is going to give the odd highlight reel thing, the long goal on the run to win the game, etc, etc., the game saving tackle. But you also know he'll get pegged holding the ball, flopping like a tuna fresh out of the water!

I'll take Plowman and Marchbank intercept marking any day of the week ahead of those highlights, and those two are probably 2nd in line behind Weitering when it comes to interception ability and clever ball use.

We're seeing a glimpse of the future, and it's stunningly gold!

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qY2Vx8-yOsQ/hq720.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Jofo on May 08, 2017, 04:03:32 pm
I think that Syd-2 (or similar) would be better.  Syd Jackson wore the same number and had similar moves to Sam.  And he liked to kick a goal or two.

I like "Pet-Set".
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Dominator_7 on May 08, 2017, 04:55:21 pm
If Daisy Thomas does nothing more of note in a Carlton jumper, I'll always love him for his goal in the last term. Last quarter, against his old side, game on the line, in front of their feral Cheer Squad and on ther 125th Anniversary Celebrations.. Knife stuck firmly through their hearts... The ultimate insult to them, and a job well done!!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on May 08, 2017, 04:56:30 pm
And the fact that he clearly enjoyed the moment so much!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shadesy on May 08, 2017, 05:14:41 pm
If Daisy Thomas does nothing more of note in a Carlton jumper, I'll always love him for his goal in the last term. Last quarter, against his old side, game on the line, in front of their feral Cheer Squad and on ther 125th Anniversary Celebrations.. Knife stuck firmly through their hearts... The ultimate insult to them, and a job well done!!

I was really pleased for him and cheered the loudest I had all game... loved his celebration and the Candy.

All started from SPS, move through traffic and 45 metre bullet to the near side... so good.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Thryleon on May 08, 2017, 05:22:21 pm
And the fact that he clearly enjoyed the moment so much!

Ive spent the last two years trying to tell you guys that he wants desperately to be one of us and it shows in his actions.

Hates Buckley with a passion.

Aside from the fact that he has chewed up more resources than he is worth, his attitude has been commendable.

Even after Malthouse was given his marching orders here, he has rolled the sleeves up, gone to work, and is playing for the jumper.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on May 08, 2017, 05:33:21 pm
Ive spent the last two years trying to tell you guys that he wants desperately to be one of us and it shows in his actions.

Hates Buckley with a passion.

Aside from the fact that he has chewed up more resources than he is worth, his attitude has been commendable.

Even after Malthouse was given his marching orders here, he has rolled the sleeves up, gone to work, and is playing for the jumper.

Thry,

No one, afaiaw, has ever questioned his work ethic, endeavour or even his commitment to our CFC.

The question remains (and my Pies' mates were succinct in this), given his body issues, ankle(s?) largely, can he train hard enough still to be competitive come game time in 2017?

Let's see if he can back up with a decent performance against the Sainters?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: madbluboy on May 08, 2017, 05:36:46 pm
If Daisy Thomas does nothing more of note in a Carlton jumper, I'll always love him for his goal in the last term. Last quarter, against his old side, game on the line, in front of their feral Cheer Squad and on ther 125th Anniversary Celebrations.. Knife stuck firmly through their hearts... The ultimate insult to them, and a job well done!!

Glorious moment, only criticism I have is he should have given them the middle finger.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Dominator_7 on May 08, 2017, 05:48:41 pm
Will go down as another classic Carlton v Collingwood moment
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2017, 05:51:00 pm
Glorious moment, only criticism I have is he should have given them the middle finger.

x4....liked the way Goldsack was left sprawled on the ground  after falling for the dummy kick.....nice moment for Daisy and the fans even the fickle ones
gave him good applause at the time and at the end of the game...
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2017, 06:13:40 pm
I heard someone say that Daisy sold Goldsack so much candy that he is now diabetic!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cimm1979 on May 08, 2017, 06:19:22 pm
I heard someone say that Daisy sold Goldsack so much candy that he is now diabetic!  ;D

Hehe.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on May 08, 2017, 06:31:08 pm


The right structures from Silvagni, Rowe, Plowman and Marchbank free up Docherty and Simpson to push forward. Can also imagine Byrne or Sheahan off the HBF in the future once Simmo retires.

Foundations are there, time to build on them!

The elevation of Silvagni has enabled Marchbank to slide down the pecking order to the third tall forward and he has blossomed even more.
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 08, 2017, 08:16:20 pm
The elevation of Silvagni has enabled Marchbank to slide down the pecking order to the third tall forward and he has blossomed even more.

I'd agree with that, Marchbank is still probably a year or two away from being able to take genuine KP forwards and AS has given him some freedom to do what he does
best and thats to be a intercept marking beast...
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on May 08, 2017, 10:16:16 pm
We've got a bit of an issue fitting McReadie back into the team. He's only young but too good for VFL and needs games.

Silvagni and Fisher to somehow fit back next week - Cunningham needs a game. Good problem to have.

Has anyone got a better backline in the league at the minute?
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Inboltswetrust on May 08, 2017, 10:19:43 pm
We've unearthed a superstar in SPS.  No i'm serious.  He is that good it's not funny.  Marchbank also.   Gee I have to give credit to SOS where it's due.  If everything else flopped, getting these two could change our fortunes going forward into the next 10 years!
Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: sydneybluesfan on May 08, 2017, 10:40:36 pm
We've got a bit of an issue fitting McReadie back into the team. He's only young but too good for VFL and needs games.

Silvagni and Fisher to somehow fit back next week - Cunningham needs a game. Good problem to have.

Has anyone got a better backline in the league at the minute?
We are 4th for scoring shots conceded with 23.4 per game- behind PA, WB and Adelaide. We ranked 11th last year. We are a big improver in this area and getting better after conceding 37 shots against PA. 

Concerning thought is we are still ranked 18th on scoring shots generated, and we have the lowest points for (515) of all teams. We have consistently ranked really badly for a few years now in attack and we really struggle to get a 'par' mark of 25 shots per game. Even when we are playing well opposing teams are almost always in the game against us because we can't build scoreboard pressure. Would have to see McKay get into the side to start to finally build a quality forward line that can kick a decent score.

Title: Re: 2017 Rd 7: After Match Analysis: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Pratty on May 09, 2017, 03:11:39 pm
We have 4 blokes pushing fro selections this week for the ones IMO - Jack Silvagni, Fisher, Cuningham and Jones. Macreadie not far off it either.

I'd drop Kerridge, and probably Smedts also. If injury free, we might see Jack SOS and Fish back.