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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
That’s all true … but hard to put into practice when a lot of first choice players are out injured.

Geelong has enjoyed an almost injury free season and they can happily rest or freshen up players as necessary.

Chicken and egg though.

Are geelong injury free because they rest?

Are we full of injuries because we don't?

Sure there is some colision injuries.
Sure there is some 'dumb luck' injuries.

But the more fatigued you are, the more likely you are to get injured. Facts.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by DJC -
The point is, why do we play players until we break them.
Yes, some are more fragile then others.
Some are taller than others.
Some are faster than others.
Some are stronger than others.

Find out the attributes of the player and play to their advantages and cover their weaknesses.
If a weakness is their longevity, or durability, cover for it. Rest them when you need too.

Both Martin and Marchbank are very good players when they are fit....we just don't see it enough. So rather than keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, change the way we approach them......and everyone.

Doesn't have to be limited to them. Many on here were suggesting we rest cripps a couple years ago when he was clearly injured. But the club kept insisting everything was fine, and we got a half-fit cripps for the whole year, rather than being without him for 2-3.....7 weeks or whatever it needed to be to get him back to a 'fit' level where he could perform.

I've heard Marc Murphy talk about this, and its something he didn't realise until later in his career.
Players would have surgery as a 1st call to 'fix' something if it meant they could play a week earlier than had they simply sat out and rested. These surgeries can lead to further issues down the track and potentially do more harm than good in some instances.
We are obsessed with getting back and playing THIS WEEK at the expense of next week, next month or next year. Why?

As mentioned, Geelong are leading the pack in this regard. Resting Danger, Hawkins, Cameron, Selwood......hard to find some bigger names in the comp than them, but they find a way to rest them and do ok......most likely because they rest them is why they do ok. So why do we think we know better than them?

Be smarter with how we deal with our players, our seasons depend on it!

That’s all true … but hard to put into practice when a lot of first choice players are out injured.

Geelong has enjoyed an almost injury free season and they can happily rest or freshen up players as necessary.

For whatever reason, we’ve ended up with some very good players who aren’t very durable.  That limits our ability to (a) win games and (b) give our elite core group an opportunity to refresh.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by pinot -
Fair points tbh.
Prefer a ruthless approach and replace them with good durable players in aim to build synergy and connection between the lines.
Elijah Hollands + Blake Acres are perfect examples while not superstars maintaining match fitness and connection is super critical in todays game.. top end talent helps but not critical
For example I would replace both with Josh Battle and Will Hayward - they are reliable and durable and greater chance to build connection between the lines on training track than these blokes
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
I am not sure where you find Marchbank and Martin are being rested they have being rested for 5-6 years.

You are comparing players that will be lucky to get 10 games out of them per season to 200+ game players over the age of 30

The point is, why do we play players until we break them.
Yes, some are more fragile then others.
Some are taller than others.
Some are faster than others.
Some are stronger than others.

Find out the attributes of the player and play to their advantages and cover their weaknesses.
If a weakness is their longevity, or durability, cover for it. Rest them when you need too.

Both Martin and Marchbank are very good players when they are fit....we just don't see it enough. So rather than keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, change the way we approach them......and everyone.

Doesn't have to be limited to them. Many on here were suggesting we rest cripps a couple years ago when he was clearly injured. But the club kept insisting everything was fine, and we got a half-fit cripps for the whole year, rather than being without him for 2-3.....7 weeks or whatever it needed to be to get him back to a 'fit' level where he could perform.

I've heard Marc Murphy talk about this, and its something he didn't realise until later in his career.
Players would have surgery as a 1st call to 'fix' something if it meant they could play a week earlier than had they simply sat out and rested. These surgeries can lead to further issues down the track and potentially do more harm than good in some instances.
We are obsessed with getting back and playing THIS WEEK at the expense of next week, next month or next year. Why?

As mentioned, Geelong are leading the pack in this regard. Resting Danger, Hawkins, Cameron, Selwood......hard to find some bigger names in the comp than them, but they find a way to rest them and do ok......most likely because they rest them is why they do ok. So why do we think we know better than them?

Be smarter with how we deal with our players, our seasons depend on it!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
If he's declared ready to play, he'll be fit enough. The days of needing matches in the 2s are over for players like Martin. Get him straight in.

His base fitness levels are generally poor. Most players can come straight back in but not him. His first game back last year against the bombers had to be subbed off as he was absolutely spent.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by pinot -
Why 20 years? Because 23 years hurt your argument?
Triple premiership player Clark Keating played 20, 12 and 12 games in premiership years. The last of which he didn't play his 1st game until R15. THe next year when they were runner ups he only played 11 as well.

Geelong has made resting players a fine art with an ageing list. Danger, Selwood, Hawkins, Cameron.....whoever, they all get an extra rest of 2 throughout the year. Works for them.


I am not sure where you find Marchbank and Martin are being rested they have being rested for 5-6 years.

You are comparing players that will be lucky to get 10 games out of them per season to 200+ game players over the age of 30
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Not sure which grand final team past 20 years had key players missing for half a season...Saady injury is part of the footy gods the other two their bodies are not up to AFL football - I guess it comes down to how much we pay them if we pay them for half a year worth of input then okay if not then not okay.

Why 20 years? Because 23 years hurt your argument?
Triple premiership player Clark Keating played 20, 12 and 12 games in premiership years. The last of which he didn't play his 1st game until R15. THe next year when they were runner ups he only played 11 as well.

Geelong has made resting players a fine art with an ageing list. Danger, Selwood, Hawkins, Cameron.....whoever, they all get an extra rest of 2 throughout the year. Works for them.