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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
There not good numbers for a midfielder which is where he mainy played last night.
Certainly our mainline mids had better numbers, but judged at his level (young man learning the caper who gets thrown around a bit), they're decent IMO.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
I must watch a different Motlop to most. Yeah, he needs to finish his work and makes some poor decisions, but he does a lot right. Adds a different dimension at stoppage. 5 clearances last night. Only behind Hewitt and Cripps. I can't see a world that you wouldn't play him or even trade him.
Yes, his output must be seen in context of the team performance and his team mates. 17 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles, 5 clearances, 198 meters gained and 81% TOG. By the team standards, that's not a bad output.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
What did he do?
I missed it from where I was sitting. Its a shame, because we are crying out for a player to stand up and fly the flag. We sighted for football acts, not anything resembling physicality.
I think he bumped into an umpire, which for him is the 4th time in 2 years, which now means a visit to the Tribunal. Just laughable.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-michael-voss-comments-on-umpire-contact-chris-fagan-comments-on-umpire-contact-lachie-cowan-umpire-contact-will-ashcroft-will-adam-cerra-be-suspended-umpire-contact-crackdown-comments-reactions-latest-news/news-story/bac036ee46618efdb4dc55f032a3e302
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
My eldest son was a fairly handy tennis player in his teens but rarely put in any effort which use to frustrate me no end. In the end he agreed to pretend to try. I am not sure Carlton actually tried last night or were just pretending to try.............................
Pretending to try may be enough to fool spectators, but if they can fool the coaches and other football staff, then I'd be both shocked and incredibly disappointed.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Agree the effort was up compared to the previous weeks, skills/execution have been substandard for weeks.
Yes no doubt. I'm presently very much of the opinion that this is a head space issue.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
We are the new St Kilda. Happy with effort
Happy in the sense that it was a positive compared to recent weeks. Not happy in the sense that we believe it's all about effort and nothing more.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
The people who Bronx cheered Tom are a special kind of stupid.The fans sitting around me started bagging the team 10 mins into the first quarter.
We have terrible supporters in amongst the good ones. You hear the same old crap from the stands. "man up, go faster, go harder", too much handball, kick it, we need more run with forward handball.
Its easy to see all the options from 150 metres away, but on deck when they look up the ground, they cant see everything in 2 seconds, and are not looking downfield when concentrating on getting the ball out...............................................................................
I agree. I can only judge fans from social and mainstream media, but too many of them leave a lot to be desired, and probably have no idea of the damage they cause, and probably wouldn't care either.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Completely disagree about Tom. He is nowhere near the player he has shown he can be and every single person knows he has checked out. It’s become a bloody farce and the Collingwood cheersquad singing the Saints song was embarrassing imo.
He needs to be dropped immediately. He provided nothing last night and you can feel it sapping the energy out of the games - the constant speculation.
I am No Bronx cheerer but enough is enough -
Let’s go with youth.
On that everyone is saying so and so is crap bring in youth then you get these young guys with stuff all senior exposure making mistakes and people
Are now saying they’re not good enough, delist them! Give it a break - they’re kids and working their arses off coming into a team
Down on form and a dozen injuries! Being asked to do what our senior players haven’t done! Give them a chance and give them support - there is some talent there that needs to be backed in.
A couple of points :
I can't peek into Tom's head, so I don't know his thoughts. If the team was flying and he was going half ar$ed, then sure. But given most of the team is in poor form, he may simply be a part of that. I would prefer to reserve judgement and give him the BOD, and trust the football department to be able to measure his output better than us.
I agree with your concerns on the second point. Leaving aside the obvious frustration and impatience (which rarely leads to good decision making), the business of dropping player x to promote a young fellow, must by its very nature, exist in a kind of liminal space. If the player is being dropped because of poor form, and the younger fellow is being promoted without merit, then one cannot be deserving of their position in the 1sts any more than the other. Leaving that aside, it also puts extra pressure on our senior players (already stretched as it is). Blooding youngsters works best in teams that are performing well IMO. They have a stable, supportive environment that reinforces good habits. Unfortunately, we are not that at the moment, and for a few reasons, I would suggest proceeding with caution on the "all youth" path.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
I think the club has tried to be professional about Tom but I don’t think he’s responded, if skull goes ok in the VFL I’d swap them
I can’t really tell where Tom’s mind is at. Apart from blokes like Haynes, Hewett and a small number of others, De Koning seems caught in the mire along with most of his buddies. I didn’t think he was too bad last night. Seems to have lifted from the last few weeks, along with the rest of the team.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
I am a little shocked by the fall of Fog, I once considered him one of our more important (role) players, right now he is "pay out" delist material. Then again, I also considered him one of our "barometers" and his form matches ours so I guess it tells a story.
Him and many others are sadly out of form, and miles away from their best footy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
This is true, let’s not forgot who we played, we are not in their "league".
Yes, I agree. The Lions started their rebuild pretty much the same time as us, and they stuck at it : one coach, good list development, good recruiting, good environment. Sigh………..
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