I'm tipping the Nthmond ferals will be out to burn the premiership flag come the Rnd 1 final siren on Thursday 22nd of March 2018!
A Merry Christmas to all, we've got them covered! ;D
Nearest the pin round 1 team?
B Byrne, Ciaran Silvagni, Alex (R) Plowman, Lachlan
HB Mullett, Aaron Jones, Liam Marchbank, Caleb
C Curnow, Charlie Cripps, Patrick Murphy, Marc
HF Garlett, Jarrod Casboult, Levi Lamb, Jed
F Pickett, Jarrod Weitering, Jacob Silvagni, Jack
R Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Petrevski-Seton, Sam
IC Dow, Paddy Simpson, Kade Wright, Matthew
Curnow, Edward
E Fisher, Zac Lang, Darcy McKay, Harry
With 16 defenders in the team and 11 forwards multi role guys like Weitering / Garlett have to be setting themselves for the forward line this year.
Wings were a massive problem for us last year. Boek / Thomas / Graham / Ed / etc struggled to transition us out of defense with any venom. Murphy / Curnow would make it a strength. Mullett or Lang will be important for this also.
Would love to see Samo start as our direct replacement for Gibbs.
With 16 defenders in the team and 11 forwards multi role guys like Weitering / Garlett have to be setting themselves for the forward line this year.
Wings were a massive problem for us last year. Boek / Thomas / Graham / Ed / etc struggled to transition us out of defense with any venom. Murphy / Curnow would make it a strength. Mullett or Lang will be important for this also.
Would love to see Samo start as our direct replacement for Gibbs.
Reckon Mullett will play on the wing because of his good disposal.....also think OShea will play the Docherty role across half back, he reads the play well and
wasnt recruited to play in the VFL..
Not convinced about Byrne, Lamb, J, Garlett for round 1..I also have Dow only 50/50...still a lightly built kid and may need some VFL games...
Agree Weitering may be use forward at times but I think he will start across half back initially in the season, didnt think he was that great this last season and needs to be settled...
Reckon Mullett will play on the wing because of his good disposal.....also think OShea will play the Docherty role across half back, he reads the play well and
wasnt recruited to play in the VFL..
Not convinced about Byrne, Lamb, J, Garlett for round 1..I also have Dow only 50/50...still a lightly built kid and may need some VFL games...
Agree Weitering may be use forward at times but I think he will start across half back initially in the season, didnt think he was that great this last season and needs to be settled...
Harry McKay playing will mean Weitering can stay in the backline.
Lang will be an interesting one. Struggle to find a place for him - I don't see him as a forward so he'd need to push out a Dow / Ed Curnow. Hoping Cunningham is too good to leave out this year also.
Reckon Mullett will play on the wing because of his good disposal.....also think OShea will play the Docherty role across half back, he reads the play well and
wasnt recruited to play in the VFL..
Not convinced about Byrne, Lamb, J, Garlett for round 1..I also have Dow only 50/50...still a lightly built kid and may need some VFL games...
Agree Weitering may be use forward at times but I think he will start across half back initially in the season, didnt think he was that great this last season and needs to be settled...
garlett and o'brien on the respective wings!
garlett and o'brien on the respective wings!
Garlett would be very handy if he made the wing his spot. Excellent endurance / speed. O'Brien? Might find it tough to push into the round 1 team for me.
I'll play.
Simpson, ACOS, Plowman
Weitering, Jones, Williamson
Mullett, Kennedy, SPS
SOS, H, Lang
Charlie, Levi, Pickett
R: Tractor, Crippa, Murph
Int: Edward C, Marchbank, ZF (Zac), Garlett.
E: Shaw, Lamb, Byrne.
(Paddy Dow's first game will be delayed due to shoulder rehab).
Nearest the pin round 1 team?
B Byrne, Ciaran Silvagni, Alex (R) Plowman, Lachlan
HB Mullett, Aaron Jones, Liam Marchbank, Caleb
C Curnow, Charlie Cripps, Patrick Murphy, Marc
HF Garlett, Jarrod Casboult, Levi Lamb, Jed
F Pickett, Jarrod Weitering, Jacob Silvagni, Jack
R Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Petrevski-Seton, Sam
IC Dow, Paddy Simpson, Kade Wright, Matthew
Curnow, Edward
E Fisher, Zac Lang, Darcy McKay, Harry
Look at the names on the bench and Emg. Think we are finally building getting a deeper list. I'm under no illusions that means very little until we start climbing up the ladder BUT this is the deepest list I have seen in a bloody long time competition for spots will be red hot!
Easily can argue Willo, O'Shea, Shaw, Cunningham, Polson, McCreadie and or Thomas could be on bench or emergencies as well.
Looking at the squad I reckon the likes of Kerridge, Graham, Lebois and older guys like Rowe, Phillips and Thomas are going to have to rely on a heap of injures or play their career best to break into the team.
Good signs..... ;)
Agree Weitering should play back. It's clearly what he does best.
Assuming injury free, Harry should get the gig at FF for quite some time.....
O'She an interesting one. You'd reckon he wasn't put on the senior list to play 2s?
Ditto Shaw....and even with the Doc out, hard to find a spot for Willo - wow.
Should Jack get a gig ahead of Matty W? Tough call too.
O'Brien will play 1s before Dow, much much fitter guy, an elite runner AND a booming left foot....and Dow's shoulder.
As much as I am an advocate for a strong set of KPPs, I doubt we can have Kreuzer, Jones, Weitering, ACoS, Casboult, McKay, Silvagni, C. Curnow and Cripps all in one team.
Excluding Jones, that is a mighty slow set of players, we'd be run over early if they were not dominant overhead.
The situation is worsened by the lack of significant speed from medium and smalls like Plowman, Marchbank, E.Curnow, Wright, Lamb, Kennedy and SPS. They aren't slow, but they are certainly not fast enough to cover too many big tall slows.
For this reason we might find Fisher, O'Shea or Lang in the starting line up. Personally, I see O'Shea as the ready-made replacement for Docherty.
Hard to argue if they are fit why Cunningham, Williamson or Macreadie don't get a look in, they have shown as much as any of our other young players. Hard to see Byrne getting a run ahead of any of them.
It's going to be interesting to see what we do in 2018, especially if some of the training whispers about who is training with what group are true!
As much as I am an advocate for a strong set of KPPs, I doubt we can have Kreuzer, Jones, Weitering, ACoS, Casboult, McKay, Silvagni, C. Curnow and Cripps all in one team.
Excluding Jones, that is a mighty slow set of players, we'd be run over early if they were not dominant overhead.
The situation is worsened by the lack of significant speed from medium and smalls like Plowman, Marchbank, E.Curnow, Wright, Lamb, Kennedy and SPS. They aren't slow, but they are certainly not fast enough to cover too many big tall slows.
For this reason we might find Fisher, O'Shea or Lang in the starting line up. Personally, I see O'Shea as the ready-made replacement for Docherty.
Hard to argue if they are fit why Cunningham, Williamson or Macreadie don't get a look in, they have shown as much as any of our other young players. Hard to see Byrne getting a run ahead of any of them.
It's going to be interesting to see what we do in 2018, especially if some of the training whispers about who is training with what group are true!
The one thing i've been banging on about for years is starting to creep into other peoples conversations more and more....
Where are our forwards and why do we have so many backmen!Agree on the speed thing, but acos is deceptively quick.
Personally, i rate all of Jones, (Rowe when fit), A. Silvagni, Marchbank, Weitering and Plowman as better than any of our forwards...Curnowfides could certainly outdo them all, but hasn't just yet. BUT, i don't think we can fit all of them in our backline, nor would we want to.
The one thing i've been banging on about for years is starting to creep into other peoples conversations more and more....
Where are our forwards and why do we have so many backmen!
Agree on the speed thing, but acos is deceptively quick.
Personally, i rate all of Jones, (Rowe when fit), A. Silvagni, Marchbank, Weitering and Plowman as better than any of our forwards...Curnowfides could certainly outdo them all, but hasn't just yet. BUT, i don't think we can fit all of them in our backline, nor would we want to.
You see, if we still had those "Like" buttons I wouldn't need to post anything to agree! ;)
But I accept those like buttons can be a little disconcerting for some people. ;D
B Plowman Weitering Simpson
HB O’Shea Jones Marchbank
C Mullett Kennedy Curnow, E
HF Wright Casboult Silvagni, J
F Pickett Curnow, C Petrevski-Seton
R Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
IC Fisher, Thomas, Williamson, McKay
E Cuningham, Garlett, O'Brien
B Plowman Weitering Simpson
HB O’Shea Jones Marchbank
C Mullett Kennedy Curnow, E
HF Wright Casboult Silvagni, J
F Pickett Curnow, C Petrevski-Seton
R Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
IC Fisher, Thomas, Williamson, McKay
E Cuningham, Garlett, O'Brien
Reckon you nailed it DJ but I think Lang might be in for big Harry.....not many would have Thomas in either but like you
I think we will go for some experience over a newbie like Dow initially....
Reckon you nailed it DJ but I think Lang might be in for big Harry.....not many would have Thomas in either but like you
I think we will go for some experience over a newbie like Dow initially....
Harry will have to do well in the pre-season if he's going to play Rd 1 and I hope he does. We need a mobile tall forward to free Charlie to work more up the ground. I think Lang will come in if Harry doesn't get a gig.
I can't see Dow and O'Brien getting a game without first shining in the NBs and Dow is coming off a shoulder reco. Of course, good form in the pre-season could change that and I guess that applies to so many on our list now.
Nearest the pin round 1 team?
B Byrne, Ciaran Silvagni, Alex (R) Plowman, Lachlan
HB Mullett, Aaron Jones, Liam Marchbank, Caleb
C Curnow, Charlie Cripps, Patrick Murphy, Marc
HF Garlett, Jarrod Casboult, Levi Lamb, Jed
F Pickett, Jarrod Weitering, Jacob Silvagni, Jack
R Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Petrevski-Seton, Sam
IC Dow, Paddy Simpson, Kade Wright, Matthew
Curnow, Edward
E Fisher, Zac Lang, Darcy McKay, Harry
No Willo? No Chance.
B Plowman Weitering Simpson
HB O’Shea Jones Marchbank
C Mullett Kennedy Curnow, E
HF Wright Casboult Silvagni, J
F Pickett Curnow, C Petrevski-Seton
R Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
IC Fisher, Thomas, Williamson, McKay
E Cuningham, Garlett, O'Brien
Now we're talking DJ. Pretty good side that and close to what I'd name. I think Dow will play round 1 somehow.
Here's my attempt. My guess is that there may be some preseason comp bolters but if I had to guess now, I'd guess as follows:
FB Kade Simpson Liam Jones Lachie Plowman
HB Tom Williamson Jacob Weitering Caleb Marchbank
C Ed Curnow Patrick Cripps Sam Petrveski Seton
HF Jarrod Pickett Levi Casboult Charlie Curnow
FF Jack Silvagni Harry McKay Matthew Wright
R Matthew Kreuzer Marc Murphy Matthew Kennedy
INT Paddy Dow Zach Fisher
Darcy Lang Jed Lamb
Emerg Aaron Mullet Dale Thomas Cam Oshea
If Richmond play 5 small forwards, our choice of back 6 will be interesting........
If Richmond play 5 small forwards, our choice of back 6 will be interesting........
Plowman > Butler
Jones > Riewoldt
Williamson > Rioli
Simpson > Lambert
Marchbank > Martin
Weitering > Caddy
Mullett could be part of the defensive rotation too, along with O'Shea.
Our defenders are versatile enough to play up the ground if a small forward has too much pace. However, if we smash the Richmond forwards as we should, it will be Hardwick trying to come up with positional changes to negate our defenders.
Plowman > Butler
Jones > Riewoldt
Williamson > Rioli
Simpson > Lambert
Marchbank > Martin
Weitering > Caddy
Mullett could be part of the defensive rotation too, along with O'Shea.
Our defenders are versatile enough to play up the ground if a small forward has too much pace. However, if we smash the Richmond forwards as we should, it will be Hardwick trying to come up with positional changes to negate our defenders.
Might have missed a couple DJ....Townsend and Graham will be starters for sure given their finals form.......strong units the both of them, maybe Castagna too is another who might play
Weitering is very slow...Caddy aint quick but I think would have our bloke covered for pace, Marchbank on Martin is also a worry for pace, I'd almost think about Jones when he plays forward.
We dont matchup very well with the new Richmond forward group IMO our traditional defenders are not quick and I reckon we need to win this game from the midfield and limit their forward entries, I just think if they get enough opportunities we wont be able to stop their small/mid forwards...
Kruezer, Cripps and crew have to dominate Nankervis , Cotchin etc.....you cant have players like Lambert getting 25 possies and sneaking down forward unmanned..
The other bloke who needs manning up is Houli.....he has run us ragged last few games and is a driving force off half back, Bolton needs to life his game tactics wise and react a bit quicker to players who are hurting us...
The other aspect of our game that needs changing vs the Tigers is bombing the ball to Rance and Astbury who just intercept mark too easy....frustrates me no end seeing those two take easy marks unopposed...
Plowman > Butler
Jones > Riewoldt
Williamson > Rioli
Simpson > Lambert
Marchbank > Martin
Weitering > Caddy
Mullett could be part of the defensive rotation too, along with O'Shea.
Our defenders are versatile enough to play up the ground if a small forward has too much pace. However, if we smash the Richmond forwards as we should, it will be Hardwick trying to come up with positional changes to negate our defenders.
Rioli wont play round they reckon so thats one less headache.
Might have missed a couple DJ....Townsend and Graham will be starters for sure given their finals form.......strong units the both of them, maybe Castagna too is another who might play
Weitering is very slow...Caddy aint quick but I think would have our bloke covered for pace, Marchbank on Martin is also a worry for pace, I'd almost think about Jones when he plays forward.
We dont matchup very well with the new Richmond forward group IMO our traditional defenders are not quick and I reckon we need to win this game from the midfield and limit their forward entries, I just think if they get enough opportunities we wont be able to stop their small/mid forwards...
Kruezer, Cripps and crew have to dominate Nankervis , Cotchin etc.....you cant have players like Lambert getting 25 possies and sneaking down forward unmanned..
The other bloke who needs manning up is Houli.....he has run us ragged last few games and is a driving force off half back, Bolton needs to life his game tactics wise and react a bit quicker to players who are hurting us...
The other aspect of our game that needs changing vs the Tigers is bombing the ball to Rance and Astbury who just intercept mark too easy....frustrates me no end seeing those two take easy marks unopposed...
I'm not too worried about Castagna, he'd have to be the worst shot for goal going around at the moment.
You're right though, the keys to victory are dominating the midfield and minimising their rebound 50s.
Might have missed a couple DJ....Townsend and Graham will be starters for sure given their finals form.......strong units the both of them, maybe Castagna too is another who might play
Weitering is very slow...Caddy aint quick but I think would have our bloke covered for pace, Marchbank on Martin is also a worry for pace, I'd almost think about Jones when he plays forward.
We dont matchup very well with the new Richmond forward group IMO our traditional defenders are not quick and I reckon we need to win this game from the midfield and limit their forward entries, I just think if they get enough opportunities we wont be able to stop their small/mid forwards...
Kruezer, Cripps and crew have to dominate Nankervis , Cotchin etc.....you cant have players like Lambert getting 25 possies and sneaking down forward unmanned..
The other bloke who needs manning up is Houli.....he has run us ragged last few games and is a driving force off half back, Bolton needs to life his game tactics wise and react a bit quicker to players who are hurting us...
The other aspect of our game that needs changing vs the Tigers is bombing the ball to Rance and Astbury who just intercept mark too easy....frustrates me no end seeing those two take easy marks unopposed...
Personnel aside, I think that will indeed be the essence of this game EB. We need base our game first of all on shutting them down by tackling hard, winning contested ball and chasing hard when they have possession. In addition we must improve our disposal generally, move the ball into attack more quickly and avoid costly turnovers at all costs. In fact, pretty much what we've been asking for for a long time. Hopefully we have developed and found some more of the horses to enable us to do that now.
Reckon you nailed it DJ but I think Lang might be in for big Harry.....not many would have Thomas in either but like you
I think we will go for some experience over a newbie like Dow initially....
I just remember Samo last year. Zero preseason. Played round 1. Weit, etc. Played round 1 the year before also. Dow could still be injured though.
I went to a wine gig at the G tonight. Spoke to several tigers' fans. All said yeah, we're pretty ordinary, we just got lucky.
Let's remember that.
It's clearly getting tough for spots.
Several players who can fill various roles etc.
I think of the new blokes to CFC in 2018, Kennedy and Land are certainties in the 22, Garlett, O'Shea and O'Brien are highly likely.
Who misses out is the tough part....
Reckon you nailed it DJ but I think Lang might be in for big Harry.....not many would have Thomas in either but like you
I think we will go for some experience over a newbie like Dow initially....
I must not be too nice at Christmas, I have duty to balance the force, otherwise I'd be inclined to agree!
I want O'Shea marking Rance tightly and Weiters or DeKoning to stand Astbury and told to block them & spoil at all costs. Make them earn their possessions. We can't take the Richmond backline lightly...it is their great strength.
I want a player with size & a fearful prescence ala 'Duke' Spalding to create some carnage in the Tigers backline. I will be filthy if McKay gets double-teamed in rnd.1 just because Bolton is still perfecting match-ups up the ground...or trialling a small forwardline which gets out-marked all night.
Rance struggles when his opponent has a similar ability to anticipate and read the play. Remember how Weitering gave him a torrid time when he played as a forward. I reckon either Weitering or Marchbank could make Rance's life difficult.
I see Marchbank as a high quality rebounding 'playmaker' in our backline. It would only serve to dismantle our backline system to have him moved up forward in a stopping role. O'shea is more of an 'expendable' who could anticipate Rance's strategy. Weiters would make Astbury accountable and drag him deep into our forwardline...and provide McKay & others with some space to work into.
I was just a little bored and I looked up the stats for intercepts. Rance is second with 9.44 per game. Our mighty Liam Jones is 10th with 7.5 per game. I wonder if Hardwick will be thinking about a defensive forward to negate Liam's influence :)
Richmond win so many intercepts in the backline because their midfield/forward pressure ensures the only entries are aimless long bombs to an outnumbered forward. That was the whole point of the smaller forward line they ran this year.
It's not because Astbury is such a good player. Rance would probably get plenty intercepts anyway because he can win 1 on 1s as well as the cheap intercepts you get when you're part of a defense that outnumbers the attack 4 on 2 on most occasions.
I wonder if Hardwick will be thinking about a defensive forward to negate Liam's influence :)
Yep, if we can use Jones wisely he's a real handful.
I suspect opponents will try to do a Levi Casboult to him and take away his run at the ball. But Liam's time in the VFL Ruck last year has really changed his outlook and attack on the ball. He's not so easy to dispose of anymore and he's not afraid to use his size, Fraser should been getting a bonus.
Over the last few seasons we've tended to put and leave players in positions for the bulk of games. Weitering being shifted forward is a typical example, SoJ being moved back late in the season another. In 2018 I can see us with a heavy rotation between KPDs and KPFs, variety is the spice of life! ;D Pretty much every KPD we have played in recent times including Weitering, Jones, ACoS, Marchbank, Rowe and SoJ have some attacking experience.
Richmond win so many intercepts in the backline because their midfield/forward pressure ensures the only entries are aimless long bombs to an outnumbered forward. That was the whole point of the smaller forward line they ran this year.
It's not because Astbury is such a good player. Rance would probably get plenty intercepts anyway because he can win 1 on 1s as well as the cheap intercepts you get when you're part of a defense that outnumbers the attack 4 on 2 on most occasions.
Agree...We kicked it to Astbury, long bombs usually on his own, Houli isnt a great player either but our manning up is deplorable so he just runs loose and rebounds...he didnt like Lamb too getting close so he belted him....later in the game they have Nankervis resting around CHB so he usually gets some easy marks too from bombed kicks.
I think we'll win the game.
I think we'll win the game.
I agree.
It's more likely that our significant list change and new game plan will catch Nthmond out, than a minor tweak to Nthmond's game plan catches us out!
The one thing AFL Coaches cannot plan for in advance is something new.
It's why copying or replicating stuff that has been done before is such a dead end move. (MM take note!)
I agree.
It's more likely that our significant list change and new game plan will catch Nthmond out, than a minor tweak to Nthmond's game plan catches us out!
The one thing AFL Coaches cannot plan for in advance is something new.
It's why copying or replicating stuff that has been done before is such a dead end move. (MM take note!)
I reckon Hubris will probably be the deciding factor. The reigning premiers wont see it coming until its too late. I noticed they only returned to training over the last week or two and I wonder what a delayed start is likely to do for them.
They have always been fairly weak psychologically as a footy club, and it wouldnt surprise me for them to be sitting 0 and 4 next year.
I reckon Hubris will probably be the deciding factor. The reigning premiers wont see it coming until its too late. I noticed they only returned to training over the last week or two and I wonder what a delayed start is likely to do for them.
They have always been fairly weak psychologically as a footy club, and it wouldnt surprise me for them to be sitting 0 and 4 next year.
I think we'll hit them pretty hard physically even though we'll have a couple of youngsters likely playing.
And let's not forget the Ed Curnow 'incident' with Dusty. Payback time.
That was RD 15. Ed didn't play again!
There was no mention - anywhere in the media - of how Ed's injury happened - it was a Dusty 'don't argue'. Should have been reported imo.
We lost Lamb and Curnow that day and were only 17 points down with 10 minutes to play....
We lost Lamb and Curnow that day and were only 17 points down with 10 minutes to play....
I'd like nothing better than to see Cripps or C.Curnow give Dusty some of his own fend-off medicine, followed up by the international hand signal for chopsticks! ;D
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-12-13/weitering-to-stay-in-defence
Early days yet I guess, but Cameron Bruce indicating that Weitering is probably earmarked as a defender at this stage. Obviously some big hopes for Harry and Charlie up forward next year.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-12-13/weitering-to-stay-in-defence
Early days yet I guess, but Cameron Bruce indicating that Weitering is probably earmarked as a defender at this stage. Obviously some big hopes for Harry and Charlie up forward next year.
Lets put it this way, when fit and confident Weitering is the best intercept mark at the club, and possibly one of the best in the league.
It's his marking that makes him so useful as an occasional forward.
Trying to pick a best 22 is the hardest it's been in years IMO.
I'm hoping Cuningham and Kennedy can fill Gibb's shoes somewhat. But I'm absolutely struggling to pick a best 22, we finally have a bit of depth.
Can't wait for a bit of footy to start, withdrawals atm
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-12-13/weitering-to-stay-in-defence
Early days yet I guess, but Cameron Bruce indicating that Weitering is probably earmarked as a defender at this stage.
AMEN
Obviously some big hopes for Harry and Charlie up forward next year.
H has bulked up a bit. Is he injured again or is it that toe/foot issue at the of this season?
Lets put it this way, when fit and confident Weitering is the best intercept mark at the club, and possibly one of the best in the league.
It's his marking that makes him so useful as a occasional forward.
And let's hope we see the fit/confident Weiters in 2018.
I thought he was pretty darn ordinary this year.
And let's hope we see the fit/confident Weiters in 2018.
I thought he was pretty darn ordinary this year.
Patience Grasshopper, he is just a kid. The best is yet to come.
Patience Grasshopper, he is just a kid. The best is yet to come.
oh sure, just saying....and yes I do see there is much upside.....
And I also agree he should be left in the backline....maybe an intra game cameo up forward ala SOS but cameos only.
And let's hope we see the fit/confident Weiters in 2018.
I thought he was pretty darn ordinary this year.
Sue would Flyboy77 a fit Weiters will take up some slack from loosing Doc and the aging Simmo.
H has bulked up a bit. Is he injured again or is it that toe/foot issue at the of this season?
Just saw a picture of him. Not only is he really tall but he is huge.
Just saw a picture of him. Not only is he really tall but he is huge.
Forking geez, good luck standing him 200cm of muscle, that can bend down at full pelt on the run like a rover!
I predicting some SpecialK style run throughs coming in 2018!
Just saw a picture of him. Not only is he really tall but he is huge.
Thank feck he cut that hair, it was horrible
Forking geez, good luck standing him 200cm of muscle, that can bend down at full pelt on the run like a rover!
I predicting some SpecialK style run throughs coming in 2018!
Up to 204cm now.
Just saw a picture of him. Not only is he really tall but he is huge.
I couldn't work out who that was..... started thinking it was a staffer.
If that's big Harry McKay, I am totally gobsmacked. How can a skinny lanky kid bulk up like that :o
I really need to take another look????
Can anyone confirm that is H and that he is as huge as he looks in that pic?
If so, we have a beast on our hands. That is just insane how crazy big he looks in that picture
Can anyone confirm that is H and that he is as huge as he looks in that pic?
If so, we have a beast on our hands. That is just insane how crazy big he looks in that picture
Its H alright. They are all turning into men as opposed to boys. Check out Willos pipes
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2z87x4p.jpg)
Saw pics of Doc at the training camp also just 4 weeks post op. What a legend. I'll make a really crazy bold prediction here. If, and its a massive IF, we should sneak into the 8 next year, I will lay London to a brick he will play. The fellas might even use Doc as some extra inspiration to ensure they extend their season.
Its H alright. They are all turning into men as opposed to boys. Check out Willos pipes
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2z87x4p.jpg)
I just put some cash on us for the flag ;D
Why not, the spirits are high and pre season is a time to dream big :D
Oh I know we are not winning the flag, I also find it highly unlikely we make finals, BUT... if H can play like he looks..
Well then I think we seriously could play finals.
I just put some cash on us for the flag ;D
Why not, the spirits are high and pre season is a time to dream big :D
Very true MIO, by the time we are confident the odds will be crap!
@ MIO
Can you get odds on us winning it in years beyond next year - e.g. 2019 or 2020? Mind you, I wouldn't want to go too far into the future, just in case - I've already stopped buying green bananas.
I think at someone like William Hill you might be able to Cookie.
They like to deal (at least in the UK) in exotics.
For example they would be the place you would go if you wanted to bet that one day Miranda Kerr will become the queen of Monaco, or that an asteroid will land in the Simpson desert.
So they would likely be willing for form a market for Carlton to win a flag and I would think you could also choose between..
Carlton will win the 2020 flag or Carlton will win a flag by the end of the 2020 season.
It can be a fun way to have a small flutter and have the bet 'live' for a very long time.
I usually bet with Ladbrokes (i say usually, but it is between 1-10 times a year).
I might actually see if they will frame a Charlie Curnow Brownlow / Carlton Premiership for just a fiver.
That would have to be at least 4000/1.
I think at someone like William Hill you might be able to Cookie.
They like to deal (at least in the UK) in exotics.
For example they would be the place you would go if you wanted to bet that one day Miranda Kerr will become the queen of Monaco, or that an asteroid will land in the Simpson desert.
So they would likely be willing for form a market for Carlton to win a flag and I would think you could also choose between..
Carlton will win the 2020 flag or Carlton will win a flag by the end of the 2020 season.
It can be a fun way to have a small flutter and have the bet 'live' for a very long time.
I usually bet with Ladbrokes (i say usually, but it is between 1-10 times a year).
I might actually see if they will frame a Charlie Curnow Brownlow / Carlton Premiership for just a fiver.
That would have to be at least 4000/1.
Thanks for that MIO. Sounds like this could be fun! :)
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Boy's turned into a monster ;D
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/gallery/2017-12-17/open-training-on-sunshine-coast#cf05cb5c9d260610VgnVCM200000af19030aRCRD (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/gallery/2017-12-17/open-training-on-sunshine-coast#cf05cb5c9d260610VgnVCM200000af19030aRCRD)
A few in there of Ben Silvagni. Looks a taller, more solid type than his older brother....
But yeah, Harry. simply bloody wow.
A 204+ cm beast.
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25353954_10155890347408334_8165654490942470314_n.jpg?oh=7679a15140830100728db4f238fc80f3&oe=5ABF88C1)
Boy's turned into a monster ;D
It would be interesting to see what North are doing with the twin brother. Compare their progress, both in the system for the same amount of time under two different regimes.
Thanks for sharing the link to the photos.
I tell you what, the single best thing about having a team of young kids is that you see so much change in the off season. It is like you are watching almost your entire team as they transition into men and you can see where Paddy Dow, O'Brien and Shumacher are likely to be in a couple of years.
When I talked about going right back to square and trading out all of our players, one of the biggest arguments was that you will lose so many members because they need to see the team winning etc.
To me, what is happening now ... I am freaking excited and if we had stripped back further and had another 2-3 young guns in there, well I would be even more excited.
Right at this very moment, I feel like Carlton is on the right track and whilst that may or may not result in wins this year, I feel extremely positive for the future and I have not felt like this for a number of years
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/gallery/2017-12-17/open-training-on-sunshine-coast#cf05cb5c9d260610VgnVCM200000af19030aRCRD (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/gallery/2017-12-17/open-training-on-sunshine-coast#cf05cb5c9d260610VgnVCM200000af19030aRCRD)
A few in there of Ben Silvagni. Looks a taller, more solid type than his older brother....
But yeah, Harry. simply bloody wow.
A 204+ cm beast.
Cheers FB, great pics. Does Patty Kerr have some sort of a skin condition?
Cheers FB, great pics. Does Patty Kerr have some sort of a skin condition?
Needs a hat and more cream, he is very fair/red and should watch himself in the sun, my wifes cousin has vitiligo which causes
white patches...a melanin problem, maybe he has similar..
A lot can happen in 12 months!!
I asked Ladbrokes to include Curnow on their board for Charlie and they have started him up at 100/1.
Geez that is fairly short when you consider he wasn't on the board yesterday and there are players at 250/1 and even Ryder is 150/1.
I would have though Charlie would be around 400/1 which I think he would be on Betfair.
I also asked if they can provide a quote on Carlton to win a flag by the end of 2020. Interesting to see what they come back with
I asked Ladbrokes to include Curnow on their board for Charlie and they have started him up at 100/1.
Geez that is fairly short when you consider he wasn't on the board yesterday and there are players at 250/1 and even Ryder is 150/1.
I would have though Charlie would be around 400/1 which I think he would be on Betfair.
I also asked if they can provide a quote on Carlton to win a flag by the end of 2020. Interesting to see what they come back with
I'm not a punter but I think I could be tempted to wager a modest amount on an unlikely but entirely possible outcome.
Charlie's odds of 100/1 are very short ... but Ladbrokes may have done their homework :)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-forward-picture-starting-to-come-together-says-matthew-wright-20171217-h063g0.html
Let's hope it's up and firing for this game. 8)
I'm not a punter but I think I could be tempted to wager a modest amount on an unlikely but entirely possible outcome.
Charlie's odds of 100/1 are very short ... but Ladbrokes may have done their homework :)
Either am I these days. I was never a really big punter, but liked a flutter, now I just mainly like novelty bets for a couple of dollars for fun, knowing they can't win, but getting a good laugh out of the possibility.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-forward-picture-starting-to-come-together-says-matthew-wright-20171217-h063g0.html
Let's hope it's up and firing for this game. 8)
Does anyone know what's wrong with Matt Kennedy?
Does anyone know what's wrong with Matt Kennedy?
I've seen nothing that even mentions his name since shortly after he was recruited - early Nov?
Does anyone know what's wrong with Matt Kennedy?
Whole article written about him the other day
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-recruit-matthew-kennedy-says-it-was-a-nobrainer-to-join-the-blues/news-story/63b18e0b0db72697918b9bf8e15617d8
Yeah from what I have been able to ascertain he is going along fine.
Does anyone know what's wrong with Matt Kennedy?
Had shoulder surgery almost straight after we traded him in
Had shoulder surgery almost straight after we traded him in
I understood the minor surgery was already done prior to us drafting him. Either way, no biggy.
I understood the minor surgery was already done prior to us drafting him. Either way, no biggy.
You are correct it was. It was done in September
Just saw a picture of him. Not only is he really tall but he is huge.
It wasn't so long ago that transformations of that type raised a few eyebrows.
(http://home.spin.net.au/boristhebeetle/dank big.jpg)
did we really need to go there Paul? :o
Is that a real photo of a CheatsFC fake, one of them must be?
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e74717eb112ee847f49be145346f751f?width=1024)
I'm picking this one coming out of AFL Appeals Board hearing is genuine.
Fake news is so easy to create for the benefit of those willing to believe!
Is that a real photo of a CheatsFC fake, one of them must be?
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e74717eb112ee847f49be145346f751f?width=1024)
I'm picking this one coming out of AFL Appeals Board hearing is genuine.
Fake news is so easy to create for the benefit of those willing to believe!
did we really need to go there Paul? :o
Ahh, it's a good thing you guys showed up. I was worried the Fun Police funding cuts were starting to have a deleterious effect.
Poor poor CheatsFC.
Still cannot accept that they are well, Cheats!
Can anyone confirm that is H and that he is as huge as he looks in that pic?
If so, we have a beast on our hands. That is just insane how crazy big he looks in that picture
Yes saw him on Sunday at Maroochydore, was watching doing the box drills on his own as per the pic I remember thinking he is a big lad now
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/12/20/mckay-ready-for-liftoff-says-barker/
Yes saw him on Sunday at Maroochydore, was watching doing the box drills on his own as per the pic I remember thinking he is a big lad now
Thanks mate
Really looking forward to seeing him out there this year, seeing if his play can grow into his new physique
Thanks mate
Really looking forward to seeing him out there this year, seeing if his play can grow into his new physique
Yes, me too.
Ahh, it's a good thing you guys showed up. I was worried the Fun Police funding cuts were starting to have a deleterious effect.
The trouble is retrospectively some peoples fun might become tomorrow's fake news, ask Donald!
Here is a question for you: how many new recruits will line up for us in Round #1?
Docherty and Gibbs are certain outs from our team last year. We also blooded a number of kids. Armfield played at the end of the season: he is also a certain non starter. That leaves 3 spots before we think about anything as crass as form.
Here is a question for you: how many new recruits will line up for us in Round #1?
Docherty and Gibbs are certain outs from our team last year. We also blooded a number of kids. Armfield played at the end of the season: he is also a certain non starter. That leaves 3 spots before we think about anything as crass as form.
Kennedy Dow Lang are my guesses
Here is a question for you: how many new recruits will line up for us in Round #1?
Docherty and Gibbs are certain outs from our team last year. We also blooded a number of kids. Armfield played at the end of the season: he is also a certain non starter. That leaves 3 spots before we think about anything as crass as form.
Kennedy, Lang and O'Shea(take Dochertys role).....I'm 40/60 on Dow and 30/70 on J. Garlett, said it before but I think we will play a more experienced lineup initially.....
Edit:..I'd also have Mullet at 50/50 but would need a real good JLT series and preseason, I'd have OShea ahead of him given the ex Port player seems to already have a bit of profile at the club and his team-mates seem happy having him onboard, bit more mature and probably gives us a bit more mongrel.
I think Mullets best chance is if we have a couple of injuries to our running players....
Here is a question for you: how many new recruits will line up for us in Round #1?
Docherty and Gibbs are certain outs from our team last year. We also blooded a number of kids. Armfield played at the end of the season: he is also a certain non starter. That leaves 3 spots before we think about anything as crass as form.
Kennedy, Lang, Garlett I reckon.
O'Shea and Dow and Shaw 50-50 chances.
Fitness will have a say in it. Lobbe could be a chance if we are short of big men.
Preseason will have a big influence but the only likely draftee imo would be Dow. Kennedy and Lang are strong bets together with Mullet or O'Shea in for Doc.
Richmond are on the small side, and it becomes a legitimate question as to whether we try to match them for speed, energy and pressure, or whether we try to play taller and and stretch them aerially, via a longer kicking / marking game. I haven't seen Bolts try the latter much at all, so I'd be guessing more of the former.
I would agree with EB for now. More experience to begin with, then kids later. O'Shea Lang and Kennedy for sure IMHO. Garlett and Lobbe maybe.
I think Kennedy, Lang, and Mullet might get a gig. If there's injuries, Garlett and O'Shea will come in. I don't see the kids getting a run R1. I think Dow' s surgery might have impacted his PS load. If that's the case, he'll get a very measured debut plan.
Wouldn't be surprised to see big H out there either. His mere presence would put a few off ;)
Go New Blues
I think Kennedy, Lang, and Mullet might get a gig. If there's injuries, Garlett and O'Shea will come in. I don't see the kids getting a run R1. I think Dow' s surgery might have impacted his PS load. If that's the case, he'll get a very measured debut plan.
Wouldn't be surprised to see big H out there either. His mere presence would put a few off ;)
Go New Blues
I would think McKay is very likely to be playing and playing a big role next year
Kennedy, Lang, Garlett I reckon.
O'Shea and Dow and Shaw 50-50 chances.
Fitness will have a say in it. Lobbe could be a chance if we are short of big men.
The JLT games may well be a key. I reckon that Dow, of the draftees is good chance. of the guys traded Kennedy will play if he is 100%, Lang and Lobbe will have to wait for the team structure to be right.
Then again, I may be completely wrong.
I do think McKay will play if he is 100% fit. At 204 cm he will be a handful. (I have just made certain that McKay won't play and that his form will be substandard by bringing him up.)
Here is a question for you: how many new recruits will line up for us in Round #1?
Docherty and Gibbs are certain outs from our team last year. We also blooded a number of kids. Armfield played at the end of the season: he is also a certain non starter. That leaves 3 spots before we think about anything as crass as form.
You can go the other way and say we will get Curnow, Cripps and whoever else back from injury too.
It's simply too early to tell and we recruited a lot of mature age players to the club. The likes of Kennedy, Lang, Garlett, Mullett, Shaw, Lobbe and O'Shea would all be AFL ready in terms of body size/shape....but are they good enough to get a game?
Alternatively, some of the new draftees, Dow, O'Brien etc are probably good enough, but do they have the body size/shape to play?
What you'd be best doing is trying to rule players out of the team and see whats left.
Schumacher, De Koning, Polson...
I would think McKay is very likely to be playing and playing a big role next year
Sure JH, but weren't we discussing prospects for new recruits?
Sure JH, but weren't we discussing prospects for new recruits?
It was in response to a post that mentioned McKay
Sure JH, but weren't we discussing prospects for new recruits?
According to the heading we are discussing the round 1 game v Richmond. ;)
According to the heading we are discussing the round 1 game v Richmond. ;)
Apologies guys, you are right. I had got caught up in Crash's sub question re new recruits. Harry will indeed be a big chance for R1. :)
Interesting call from the Age's Peter Ryan:
The Blues have several candidates to replace the influential and respected Docherty, who was best and fairest in 2016 and finished second in 2017 with Ciaran Byrne, Tom Williamson and Jed Lamb as well as O'Shea among the candidates to fill Docherty's void.
I should add that Ryan states that O'Shea is a rookie ::)
Fox Sports' Ben Waterworth and Riley Beveridge provide a more considered opinion:
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Ciaran Byrne
HB: Caleb Marchbank, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HF: Darcy Lang, Charlie Curnow, Dale Thomas
F: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Harry McKay
FOLL: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Matthew Kennedy
I/C: Tom Williamson, Paddy Dow, Jack Silvagni, Zac Fisher
EMG: Jarrod Pickett, Sam Rowe, Jed Lamb
OTHERS: David Cuningham, Tom De Koning, Jarrod Garlett, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Matthew Lobbe, Harrison Macreadie, Aaron Mullett, Lochie O’Brien, Cam O’Shea, Andrew Phillips, Cam Polson, Angus Schumacher
ROOKIES: Jesse Glass-McCasker, Kym LeBois, Cillian McDaid, Matt Shaw, Alex Silvagni
LONG-TERM INJURIES: Sam Docherty
INITIALLY, it seemed tough for the Blues to find a replacement for Sam Docherty, who suffered an ACL injury in his first pre-season training session that will sideline him for the rest of 2018. However Carlton will have several ways in which it can fill Docherty’s void, following the acquisitions of Aaron Mullett (trade), Cameron O’Shea (pre-season draft), Angus Schumacher (national draft) and Jarrod Garlett (national draft). Then you’ve got second-year players Tom Williamson and Harrison Macreadie, while Ciaran Byrne is also capable of linking up with Lachie Plowman and Caleb Marchbank. Also, Carlton will be hoping recruits Matthew Kennedy and Darcy Lang can play Round 1, while Paddy Dow will also push for an early debut.
Fox Sports' Ben Waterworth and Riley Beveridge provide a more considered opinion:
I really hope that Thomas isn't in our best 22 come Round 1. That's not to be disrespectful of Daisy, I'm glad we re-signed him, but I'm hoping that he's legitimately pushed out of the team by one of the younger players. Pickett or Garlett should both be pushing hard for Round 1. Daisy will hopefully be used mostly in the NB's in a role like Armfield had last season leading the younger players, available to come up to the Seniors when injuries occur.
Other than that, I think that best 22 is pretty much spot on.
If Doc's stand-in is successful no doubt we'll have calls to cash in on his value in next year's trading?? ;)
Fox Sports' Ben Waterworth and Riley Beveridge provide a more considered opinion:
Good side that
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-recruit-matthew-kennedy-aims-for-roundone-selection-against-richmond-20180117-h0jtck.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-recruit-matthew-kennedy-aims-for-roundone-selection-against-richmond-20180117-h0jtck.html)
Only change I would make is Cuningham in for Fisher. Of the two, I think Cuningham will have a bigger impact on games.
Even getting a spot in the JLT series will be tough.
I think the Club rates Fisher ahead of Cuningham, but may the best man win!
Even getting a spot in the JLT series will be tough.
I think the Club rates Fisher ahead of Cuningham, but may the best man win!
Fisher easily IMO...Cuningham is a cameo player who has talent but Fisher will be a meat and potatoes midfielder who
will be Simpson like in reliability IMO. I wanted Fisher pre-draft due to his excellent carnival series and he hasnt disappointed.
Cuningham has the tools to be a player and will be one of those players that doesnt impress in the seconds but will lift when he plays seniors IMO.
The main difference is consistency in effort...Fisher gives you a contest and repeat efforts, Cuningham can too but does it only when he feels like it....
Fair enough. My concern is that for all of Fisher's effort and tenacity - which he undoubtedly has in spades - he won't hurt the opposition enough. Hope I'm wrong of course.
We'll be laying naked on fresh tiger skins in front of an open fire drinking cabernet Carlton come the end of round one! ;)
We'll be laying naked on fresh tiger skins in front of an open fire drinking cabernet Carlton come the end of round one! ;)
;D ;D ;D
We'll be laying naked on fresh tiger skins in front of an open fire drinking cabernet Carlton come the end of round one! ;)
My concern for the conservation of
Panthera tigris prevents me from fully endorsing your scenario LP. Perhaps you could insert "faux" or "synthetic" between "fresh" and "tiger"? ;)
We'll be laying naked on fresh tiger skins in front of an open fire drinking cabernet Carlton come the end of round one! ;)
Now wouldn't that be something. :D :D
Cannot believe the level of wagon jumping going on in the media, you'd think we were flag favourites! I know this happens for many clubs, but it hasn't been part of our media landscape for so long it's hard to remember another case!
At the moment I've been unable to ID the sources, so;
If this is our clubs doing, a new look media department, then kudos to the club as they are light years ahead of where they were in the past!
If it's the sycophants at News Ltd and Fairfax, trying to beat up a story before an expected fall, then fork off the lot of you! In the nicest possible way! :D
Cannot believe the level of wagon jumping going on in the media, you'd think we were flag favourites! I know this happens for many clubs, but it hasn't been part of our media landscape for so long it's hard to remember another case!
At the moment I've been unable to ID the sources, so;
If this is our clubs doing, a new look media department, then kudos to the club as they are light years ahead of where they were in the past!
If it's the sycophants at News Ltd and Fairfax, trying to beat up a story before an expected fall, then fork off the lot of you! In the nicest possible way! :D
They can smell what we're cooking.
Even if we get smashed, I am absolutely aching for this game!!!
They can smell what we're cooking.
Sure as hell better be tastier than the last time we cooked something. A lot more Adrian Richardson's Secret Meat Business and a lot less Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
Sure as hell better be tastier than the last time we cooked something. A lot more Adrian Richardson's Secret Meat Business and a lot less Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares.
And a watched pot never boils. :)
Even if we get smashed, I am absolutely aching for this game!!!
Very winnable game.
Richmond remain an ordinary team with less than a handful of true A graders.
They got lucky, very lucky in 2017 and they were able to maintain their intensity. They were obliterated by the Crows during the year and who doesn't recall, vividly, what St Kilda did to them.
CFC is due a lucky year, especially given tge Crippa, Mr Ed anf more recently Doc injuries.
I'll wager we finish higher than the Tigers this year! :P
Very winnable game.
Richmond remain an ordinary team with less than a handful of true A graders.
They got lucky, very lucky in 2017 and they were able to maintain their intensity. They were obliterated by the Crows during the year and who doesn't recall, vividly, what St Kilda did to them.
CFC is due a lucky year, especially given tge Crippa, Mr Ed anf more recently Doc injuries.
I'll wager we finish higher than the Tigers this year! :P
Very fanciful, even by your cheery, optimistic standards.
I think I will watch this one on TV - presumably it will be on Ch 7. Just noticed as a Telstra mobile customer I get a free AFL Live pass, renewed a couple of days ago, which is handy.
I think I will watch this one on TV - presumably it will be on Ch 7. Just noticed as a Telstra mobile customer I get a free AFL Live pass, renewed a couple of days ago, which is handy.
Agree..be a lot of feral Tigers supporters rejoicing in the flag unfurling etc, hoping the Tigers have a let down and have partied a bit hard so we can surprise them but with newbie players
who will take time to gel and minus Docherty and Gibbs I'll just hope for a good showing unless the Tigers get some major injuries..if we could get a player who could actually stand next to Dusty
and lay the odd tackle on him it might help as well...
...Kennedy floors Dusty with a "don't argue" at the first bounce, creating instant adoration from 2 000 000 Carlton supporters.... and the greater majority of the AFL-following world.
...Kennedy floors Dusty with a "don't argue" at the first bounce, creating instant adoration from 2 000 000 Carlton supporters.... and the greater majority of the AFL-following world.
That would like shooting Bambi.
Perhaps we can let Ed Curnow deliver it and return the favour?
Perhaps we can let Ed Curnow deliver it and return the favour?
Or brother Charlie....
Perhaps we can let Ed Curnow deliver it and return the favour?
So he'd have to take out Cotchin?
That would like shooting Bambi.
If Kennedy gives Martin what he deserves, then yay! Shoot Bambi! Shoot lots of Bambis! Nothing wrong with Venison!
If Kennedy gives Martin what he deserves, then yay! Shoot Bambi! Shoot lots of Bambis! Nothing wrong with Venison!
I can see the headlines now..... BAM BAM SHOOTS BAMBI
I don't expect we'll win this one unless we catch them off guard somehow. Which, is possible.
A good showing and multiple periods of synergy would get a pass from me.
If we can win this then bl00dy fantastic, but I would just love to see us take it right up to them both skillswise and physically! If we don't make ' em sh1te themselves then at least cause them some major abdominal discomfort!
If we can win this then bl00dy fantastic, but I would just love to see us take it right up to them both skillswise and physically! If we don't make ' em sh1te themselves then at least cause them some major abdominal discomfort!
I really want to win this one, it’s time!
I agree totally. It is about time we played more than 3 quarters of football against this mob.
I agree totally. It is about time we played more than 3 quarters of football against this mob.
Play 4 qtrs and we'd certainly be in with a show.
Play 4 qtrs and we'd certainly be in with a show.
Play 5 quarters and we'd romp it in - particularly if Richmond leave the field after the fourth ;)
If we can win this then bl00dy fantastic, but I would just love to see us take it right up to them both skillswise and physically! If we don't make ' em sh1te themselves then at least cause them some major abdominal discomfort!
Doesn’t have to be overtly physical... just tackle Dusty!
Just imagine him getting pinned 2 or 3 times for holding the ball in the 1st qtr...
Leave Dusty alone and hit the rest.
I understand there is a certain pride to stopping Dusty, but Adelaide were too Dusty centric in the Grand Final and paid for it, when all they needed to do was stop the others from getting their hands on the pill.
Dusty is one of those players. He will have the ball on a string at times, and rack up posessions, and kick goals, but if you can stop him from getting help from his teamates, or being able to help his teamates then he wont hurt you.
I saw teams do this to us when we had Judd at full flight. They setup to stop Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazzo and all the others from having an influence and all of a sudden our ability to hit the scoreboard dried up. Leave Dusty. Let him be he man and face palm everyone in site, but sit on Cotchin at each and every opportunity!!!
Doesn’t have to be overtly physical... just tackle Dusty!
Just imagine him getting pinned 2 or 3 times for holding the ball in the 1st qtr...
Dusty is like Selwood, Danger and Ablett - never ever get pinged for htb, even if turned through 3 x 360 degrees!
Hit them all, I say (in a legal way) - Dusty and Cotchin first and foremost.
Leave Dusty alone and hit the rest.
I understand there is a certain pride to stopping Dusty, but Adelaide were too Dusty centric in the Grand Final and paid for it, when all they needed to do was stop the others from getting their hands on the pill.
Dusty is one of those players. He will have the ball on a string at times, and rack up posessions, and kick goals, but if you can stop him from getting help from his teamates, or being able to help his teamates then he wont hurt you.
I saw teams do this to us when we had Judd at full flight. They setup to stop Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazzo and all the others from having an influence and all of a sudden our ability to hit the scoreboard dried up. Leave Dusty. Let him be he man and face palm everyone in site, but sit on Cotchin at each and every opportunity!!!
We usually do leave Dusty...our players dont want to stand anywhere near him, actually saw Gibbs trying to swap players so he didnt have to man him up.......
We used to throw 2E onto him but that could lead to embarrassment. ::)
We usually do leave Dusty...our players dont want to stand anywhere near him, actually saw Gibbs trying to swap players so he didnt have to man him up.......
Or was he trying to get the designated minder to do his job; I don't really see Gibbs as the right match up for Dusty, not that we have to worry about that anymore ;)
I'm in two minds about how to deal with Dusty. I think Thry has a point about not being Dusty-centric; stop his team mates and his influence will be limited. However, I don't think he can be left to run riot, particularly when he goes forward.
I reckon Alex Silvagni could be the man for the job, but perhaps only when Dusty goes forward. A tag team of Ed Curnow, Kennedy and perhaps Byrne could put some pressure on him in the midfield.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-01-30/dow-eager-to-build-strength (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-01-30/dow-eager-to-build-strength)
Or was he trying to get the designated minder to do his job; I don't really see Gibbs as the right match up for Dusty, not that we have to worry about that anymore ;)
I'm in two minds about how to deal with Dusty. I think Thry has a point about not being Dusty-centric; stop his team mates and his influence will be limited. However, I don't think he can be left to run riot, particularly when he goes forward.
I reckon Alex Silvagni could be the man for the job, but perhaps only when Dusty goes forward. A tag team of Ed Curnow, Kennedy and perhaps Byrne could put some pressure on him in the midfield.
We often let the other teams bogeymen run around on their own, not sure by design or players not manning up but its frustrating to watch the same players burning us every season....
We often let the other teams bogeymen run around on their own, not sure by design or players not manning up but its frustrating to watch the same players burning us every season....
I understand your point EB1 but in fairness players of the ilk of Dusty are close to impossible to stop even when you have a much stronger midfield group then ours as options to negate him. Take his finals form last year the guy was a raging bull and seemed to just get better with every game and finishing with the norm smith around his neck.
I'm pretty sure the crows would have spent a hell of a lot of time trying to quiet him. Didn't work. That's what makes these guys the best and true champions of the game.
I get more frustrated when lesser lights beat up on us like small forwards of years ago....Blair, Ballantine and Thomas are a few I recall that used to get my blood boiling.
Zorko, Ballantyne, Diver Thomas, Jack Stevens....
Zorko, Ballantyne, Diver Thomas, Jack Stevens....
Zorko is the worst, think its been three season's now and we let D.Beams run around the same way and assist him last time....think Zorko had the footy 20 times in the first half with three goals and I saw him on his own for a fair amount of that time...either the coaching staff dont have a clue or the playing group are not listening. From memory we didnt have the players with the wheels to go with Zorko and its been the same with Stevens...
Robbie Gray is another we seem to put little planning into either.....
I understand your point EB1 but in fairness players of the ilk of Dusty are close to impossible to stop even when you have a much stronger midfield group then ours as options to negate him. Take his finals form last year the guy was a raging bull and seemed to just get better with every game and finishing with the norm smith around his neck.
I'm pretty sure the crows would have spent a hell of a lot of time trying to quiet him. Didn't work. That's what makes these guys the best and true champions of the game.
I get more frustrated when lesser lights beat up on us like small forwards of years ago....Blair, Ballantine and Thomas are a few I recall that used to get my blood boiling.
Take your point Shawny but we have a few players who lose interest when it comes to manning up some players....Ed Curnow excepted, I guess Ed getting his larynx damaged
via Dusty probably doesnt encourage the rest of our blokes to want to mix it when the umps ignore his raised "dont argue" fend off's.
Take your point Shawny but we have a few players who lose interest when it comes to manning up some players....Ed Curnow excepted, I guess Ed getting his larynx damaged via Dusty probably doesnt encourage the rest of our blokes to want to mix it when the umps ignore his raised "dont argue" fend off's.
But it seems that it was Cotchin who got Ed in the throat.
Whoever does play on Dusty needs to work on applying a chicken wing tackle to the fend off arm.
We usually do leave Dusty...our players dont want to stand anywhere near him, actually saw Gibbs trying to swap players so he didnt have to man him up.......
Me too. I think it was with Zac Fisher ;D
The kind of action that made me lose faith in him.
I think that is normal, when you are the Carlton of recent times you don't put your limited available attacking weapons on guard duty.
We don't have enough experienced attacking talent to leave the ones we do have tagging!
Malthouse went tag crazy in the end, a sign he had lost it, his whole plan was stop him, stop him, stop him, stop him, stop him, etc., etc., etc., leaving the possibility of a win to dumb luck. While it's true you have to stop the opposition scoring to win, you still must score yourself!
I think that is normal, when you are the Carlton of recent times you don't put your limited available attacking weapons on guard duty.
We don't have enough experienced attacking talent to leave the ones we do have tagging!
Malthouse went tag crazy in the end, a sign he had lost it, his whole plan was stop him, stop him, stop him, stop him, stop him, etc., etc., etc., leaving the possibility of a win to dumb luck. While it's true you have to stop the opposition scoring to win, you still must score yourself!
Malthouse wanted our players to run both ways, sadly we didn't have many who did including our captain.
But it seems that it was Cotchin who got Ed in the throat.
Whoever does play on Dusty needs to work on applying a chicken wing tackle to the fend off arm.
Indeed. If he uses that arm, train to grab it and twist it or yank on it. He can't handball with one hand (I won't get into what the umpires see: that is a different tale).
Malthouse wanted our players to run both ways, sadly we didn't have many who did including our captain.
Including Judd, ever the obedient one.
One has to wonder why, despite never ending proclamations of a full cultural reset, big big changes at the club's upper levels, unprecedented levels of player turnover, the club cannot find one player, not a single one, to replace Murphy the Marshmallow as captain ? 60, 70, 80 ? players have worn the Navy Blue in the last few years, and yet here we are.
Maybe the problem isn't Murphy ?
Including Judd, ever the obedient one.
One has to wonder why, despite never ending proclamations of a full cultural reset, big big changes at the club's upper levels, unprecedented levels of player turnover, the club cannot find one player, not a single one, to replace Murphy the Marshmallow as captain ? 60, 70, 80 ? players have worn the Navy Blue in the last few years, and yet here we are.
Maybe the problem isn't Murphy ?
Murphy will move aside, just not this year, the time is not yet right. Long term candidates to replace him are now in their final year of preparation. Better not to thrust them into the deep end prematurely and until they are fully ready and available. That could be a disaster as we have seen elsewhere. I will be fascinated to see how we play this year, especially in the light of the last batch of list changes.
Murphy will move aside, just not this year, the time is not yet right. Long term candidates to replace him are now in their final year of preparation. Better not to thrust them into the deep end prematurely and until they are fully ready and available. That could be a disaster as we have seen elsewhere. I will be fascinated to see how we play this year, especially in the light of the last batch of list changes.
No doubt cookie. I guess my point is that either :
a. Murphy isn't that bad, or
b. He is bad, which means the rest of our recent teams, past and present, have been positively dire in terms of leadership.
Including Judd, ever the obedient one.
One has to wonder why, despite never ending proclamations of a full cultural reset, big big changes at the club's upper levels, unprecedented levels of player turnover, the club cannot find one player, not a single one, to replace Murphy the Marshmallow as captain ? 60, 70, 80 ? players have worn the Navy Blue in the last few years, and yet here we are.
Maybe the problem isn't Murphy ?
Why dwell in the past? Murphy may well still play in a flag but not as Captain.
Why dwell in the past? Murphy may well still play in a flag but not as Captain.
Murphy may explore free agency to extend his career and look for a premiership......
Why dwell in the past? Murphy may well still play in a flag but not as Captain.
Not dwelling on the past, merely providing a context for my opinion.
I'm the last person you'll find dwelling on the past. :D
No doubt cookie. I guess my point is that either :
a. Murphy isn't that bad, or
b. He is bad, which means the rest of our recent teams, past and present, have been positively dire in terms of leadership.
I don't think our ranks were exactly bursting with leadership potential P. I have confidence though that this is being seriously addressed but it just takes a bit of time, especially with the focus on youth.
No doubt cookie. I guess my point is that either :
a. Murphy isn't that bad, or
b. He is bad, which means the rest of our recent teams, past and present, have been positively dire in terms of leadership.
The answer is B but our future looks to be in good hands.
I don't think our ranks were exactly bursting with leadership potential P. I have confidence though that this is being seriously addressed but it just takes a bit of time, especially with the focus on youth.
I guess that's fair enough cookie.
Or was he trying to get the designated minder to do his job; I don't really see Gibbs as the right match up for Dusty, not that we have to worry about that anymore ;)
I'm in two minds about how to deal with Dusty. I think Thry has a point about not being Dusty-centric; stop his team mates and his influence will be limited. However, I don't think he can be left to run riot, particularly when he goes forward.
I reckon Alex Silvagni could be the man for the job, but perhaps only when Dusty goes forward. A tag team of Ed Curnow, Kennedy and perhaps Byrne could put some pressure on him in the midfield.
They used to do it to Judd.
This was the main reason 2012 was so embarrassing.
Think back to the St. Kilda game where they went after ED curnow and ended his game. Then they smashed Carrazzo, and later on Murphy copped the same treatment.
Do the same to Richmond. Smash the little twerps into the ground!!
The answer is B but our future looks to be in good hands.
Nothing if not consistent, mbb.
Including Judd, ever the obedient one.
One has to wonder why, despite never ending proclamations of a full cultural reset, big big changes at the club's upper levels, unprecedented levels of player turnover, the club cannot find one player, not a single one, to replace Murphy the Marshmallow as captain ? 60, 70, 80 ? players have worn the Navy Blue in the last few years, and yet here we are.
Maybe the problem isn't Murphy ?
Have a listen to Murphy's interview on the club website; he is not a problem and never has been. The problem was lack of talent and lack of support (both physically and in leadership). SOS's focus on drafting lads of good character and Bolton's focus on leadership have addressed the lack of support and, hopefully, the lack of talent is also being addressed.
I think the problems of the past primarily resided with the antiquated coach and players like Tuohy and Henderson who delivered butter.
They used to do it to Judd.
This was the main reason 2012 was so embarrassing.
Think back to the St. Kilda game where they went after ED curnow and ended his game. Then they smashed Carrazzo, and later on Murphy copped the same treatment.
Do the same to Richmond. Smash the little twerps into the ground!!
Tough to do that when your captain or better players have three opponents working them over and your team-mate in Tuohy or Henderson jogs past with an invisibility cloak on! ACoS and a couple of the younger guys Macreadie, Wettering, Ploiwman and Williamson are rapidly fixing this problem, but good riddance to those piddly players we've "lost"!
We still have a couple of Tarzan's who play like Jane, guys who happily jump all over someone's back but miraculously always find themselves out of the contest when the ball comes in slow and high with them in front. Thankfully, their ranks are rapidly thinning! There is nothing more disheartening for a team than having one of the giants wearing a Tom-Thumb heart!
Who could forget a few years ago when Gibbs started a brawl with the bombers on the siren then Mitch Robinson came into back him up and Bryce jogged off to let him fight them on his own?
Should have traded the man bun back then.
Who could forget a few years ago when Gibbs started a brawl with the bombers on the siren then Mitch Robinson came into back him up and Bryce jogged off to let him fight them on his own?
Should have traded the man bun back then.
I'm pretty sure that push and shove mainly involved Heppell.
Forget Robbo - the kid doing the Woollies half time oranges would scare young Dyson.
Who could forget a few years ago when Gibbs started a brawl with the bombers on the siren then Mitch Robinson came into back him up and Bryce jogged off to let him fight them on his own?
Should have traded the man bun back then.
Robinson, how good would it be to have him besides ACoS at the moment giving these kids some cover!
Rhetorically, why did Malthouse kibosh Robinson yet allow players like Didak, Shaw, Swan, Thomas and Beams stay at Collingwood, didn't they all lie to the coach at some stage?
Who could forget a few years ago when Gibbs started a brawl with the bombers on the siren then Mitch Robinson came into back him up and Bryce jogged off to let him fight them on his own?
Should have traded the man bun back then.
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Robinson, how good would it be to have him besides ACoS at the moment giving these kids some cover!
Rhetorically, why did Malthouse kibosh Robinson yet allow players like Didak, Shaw, Swan, Thomas and Beams stay at Collingwood, didn't they all lie to the coach at some stage?
Beams wasnt part of the ratpack, but you can add Tarrant and Ben Johnson......Pies were successful so numpties like those mentioned survived because they had star player status.
Robbo wasnt a star player and we were unsuccessful and the footy dept needed a couple of fall guys to lay blame on...
I just saw footage of the brawl for the first time, not sure why our boys felt the need to lie.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/cctv-released-of-melbourne-footballer-jeff-garletts-involvement-in-brawl/news-story/a93624135723cd56a2e8e491a1700923
I just saw footage of the brawl for the first time, not sure why our boys felt the need to lie.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/cctv-released-of-melbourne-footballer-jeff-garletts-involvement-in-brawl/news-story/a93624135723cd56a2e8e491a1700923
Didn't they break a team curfew!
Hardly a criminal act, like firing a handgun into a vacant factory! ::)
But who am I to judge, I must be biased! ;)
Jones to stand Riewoldt, and Richmond by 6 goals.
Charlie and Levi kick 5 each, Blues by 25.
Charlie and Levi kick 5 each, Blues by 25.
Yes well, if that happens, I'll be as happy as several pigs in sh1t, but somehow I doubt it.
Charlie and Levi kick 5 each, Blues by 25.
I think i'll be happy if we manage 10 goals total, regardless of who is kicking them.
My Tiggers mate asked today if I thought they could pull another flag out of their arse in the next couple of years, 10% chance I said, he was happy with that ! ????
My Tiggers mate asked today if I thought they could pull another flag out of their arse in the next couple of years, 10% chance I said, he was happy with that ! ????
Ive had a look at the competition, and it pains me to say that they are a better than even money chance to go back to back, and even if they don't, they will be in the frame for another flag in 2019 and possibly even 2020 unless things change drastically. They are actually a pretty young side.
Ive had a look at the competition, and it pains me to say that they are a better than even money chance to go back to back, and even if they don't, they will be in the frame for another flag in 2019 and possibly even 2020 unless things change drastically. They are actually a pretty young side.
With youth comes earning potential, they do well again this year and the kids will start asking for more $, and opposition will start offering more $.
The greater player power and free agency becomes, the less chance clubs have of sustaining a list.
I think i'll be happy if we manage 10 goals total, regardless of who is kicking them.
I understand the pessimism given the last decade and more of misery but the tide has turned and will keep turning.
I think we match up very well with the Tigers.
I know there's a lot more to it than height and weight but:
Levi - 201cm, 103kg.
Big H - 204cm, 100kg+
Rance - 194cm, 94kg.
Astbury - 195cm, 95kg (Crippa size)
That;s a big height weight difference.....
and Charlie
195cm, 92kg.
Having a physical size advantage is only useful when a player knows how to use it.
Rance will rag doll McKay, Levi gets pushed off the ball by midfielders.
Charlie is the real deal though, when he gets to the contest he is as physically imposing as Cripps or Kreuzer.
Having a physical size advantage is only useful when a player knows how to use it.
Rance will rag doll McKay, Levi gets pushed off the ball by midfielders.
Charlie is the real deal though, when he gets to the contest he is as physically imposing as Cripps or Kreuzer.
Of course, one needs to "know how to use it". Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious :P
Rance to rag doll Harry. BS.
Rance likes to be unaccountable and play the run off role.....seldom is he made accountable one on one....
In any event, he's the likely match up for Charlie, leaving them one short for Levi and Harry.
They are really short on other tall defender types - Chol?
Let's look at their list - who would I like at Carlton - outside Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt (maybe when yuonger), Prestia (?), Caddy?, Rance (sure)
Houli had a great 2017 and GF, for sure but there's a lot of average stuff in that list....
2017 Richmond Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Name Games Average
1 Dustin Martin 25 29.76
2 Bachar Houli 21 23.62
3 Trent Cotchin 25 23.60
4 Dion Prestia 22 23.23
5 Shaun Grigg 25 23.08
6 Brandon Ellis 25 22.28
7 Kane Lambert 24 21.46
8 Anthony Miles 5 19.40
9 Reece Conca 6 18.00
10 Shane Edwards 20 17.65
11 Josh Caddy 22 17.27
12 Alex Rance 25 16.00
13 Nick Vlastuin 16 15.50
14 David Astbury 25 15.00
15 Kamdyn Mcintosh 24 14.92
16 Toby Nankervis 24 14.79
17 Jayden Short 16 14.75
18 Nathan Broad 10 14.00
18 Jack Graham 5 14.00
20 Sam Lloyd 8 13.62
21 Jack Riewoldt 23 13.26
Sure, whatever.
Sure, whatever.
Meaning you agree LP?
Or that FB, you're a tw#t? :)
Head to Head
Thursday 22/03/2018
19:25 Richmond v Carlton Markets (3)
Richmond 1.20 Carlton 4.60
Or that FB, you're a tw#t? :)
I'll wear that badge proudly like everyone who disagrees with you! ;)
One of our problems is our poor manning up and refusal to acknowledge other teams no name playmakers....eg.a player like Kane Lambert isnt some bonehead dud but we just let him run around unattended and he hurt us badly in 2017, Grigg is another player we love to pot but he continues to rack up the possies against us, its bad enough we cant control Martin, keep kicking the ball blindly to Rance etc but unless we can show some better control of their lesser names we will be in trouble again.
Bolton has to do more than just stick more players in the back half, the other annoying feature I find is how teams play a quicker ball carrying type as Cripps opponent and how we accept his man running wild as Cripps cant defend that type of player, sure Cripps wins his share at the coalface but that loose opponent of his is often open down forward or the bloke pumping the ball in there.
There seems significant more attention to detail with other teams working out our players than we put into other teams IMO.......
Of course, one needs to "know how to use it". Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious :P
Rance to rag doll Harry. BS.
Rance likes to be unaccountable and play the run off role.....seldom is he made accountable one on one....
In any event, he's the likely match up for Charlie, leaving them one short for Levi and Harry.
They are really short on other tall defender types - Chol?
Let's look at their list - who would I like at Carlton - outside Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt (maybe when yuonger), Prestia (?), Caddy?, Rance (sure)
Houli had a great 2017 and GF, for sure but there's a lot of average stuff in that list....
2017 Richmond Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Name Games Average
1 Dustin Martin 25 29.76
2 Bachar Houli 21 23.62
3 Trent Cotchin 25 23.60
4 Dion Prestia 22 23.23
5 Shaun Grigg 25 23.08
6 Brandon Ellis 25 22.28
7 Kane Lambert 24 21.46
8 Anthony Miles 5 19.40
9 Reece Conca 6 18.00
10 Shane Edwards 20 17.65
11 Josh Caddy 22 17.27
12 Alex Rance 25 16.00
13 Nick Vlastuin 16 15.50
14 David Astbury 25 15.00
15 Kamdyn Mcintosh 24 14.92
16 Toby Nankervis 24 14.79
17 Jayden Short 16 14.75
18 Nathan Broad 10 14.00
18 Jack Graham 5 14.00
20 Sam Lloyd 8 13.62
21 Jack Riewoldt 23 13.26
The Tigers are a very good example of the dangers of focusing on individuals rather than the collective. They are a very good team, and they play as a genuine collective. Focusing on how many A graders, B graders etc. they have is not really the issue.
They finished 3rd last year, then went on to win the flag by 8 goals, against a team many regarded as warm favourites. They've come out and smacked an underdone Bombers team by nearly 15 goals in a ps hit out.
We finished 16th, had another big turnover of players, with plenty of focus on youth. If we play plenty of kids, and the Tigers apply that manic pressure, those kids will be shell shocked.
Your allegiance to the Navy Blue cause and the new regime is admirable, but I think we're still miles away from competing with the Tigers and their ilk.
Having more legitimate marking targets up forward has to help (if we can move the quickly).
Levi, Harry, Charlie, SoJ, Garlett and even Crippa in spurts....
Should keep the opposition guessing and not allow Rance to roam where ho chooses.....
I think the problem with the Crows in the GF was that they thought they were hot favourites - and consequently didn't turn up.
But yes, kudos to Richmond - they get a lot out of a rather motley crew.
There seems significant more attention to detail with other teams working out our players than we put into other teams IMO.......
Yes I agree, we do seem to be lacking in the opposition analysis department. But I think part of the problem is our medium sized players are generally too slow. Last season guys like E. Curnow, Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Plowman, White, Smedts, Graham, Gibbs, etc., just couldn't keep up with the oppositions breakaway players.
Add to that, we let defenders run off guys like Wright, Thomas and Silvagni while bombing the ball predictably to either Casboult or Kreuzer instead of looking for the loose players. We can have all the talls we like, but if we fail to make use of those in the open we won't win many games.
Yes I agree, we do seem to be lacking in the opposition analysis department. But I think part of the problem is our medium sized players are generally too slow. Last season guys like E. Curnow, Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Plowman, White, Smedts, Graham, Gibbs, etc., just couldn't keep up with the oppositions breakaway players.
Add to that, we let defenders run off guys like Wright, Thomas and Silvagni while bombing the ball predictably to either Casboult or Kreuzer instead of looking for the loose players. We can have all the talls we like, but if we fail to make use of those in the open we won't win many games.
Hopefully the new guys like Pickett and Garlett will help in this regard. But we are generally a slow team. You need exceptional talent like a Sam Mitchell type to offset a lack of speed. And the game seems to be getting faster.
I think the problem with the Crows in the GF was that they thought they were not favourites - and consequently didn't turn up.
But yes, kudos to Richmond - they get a lot out of a rather motley crew.
Walker and Jenkins were rubbish, those vertically challenged spud Nthmond defenders you refer to made them their bitches, which dealt players like Betts out of the game!
Yes I agree, we do seem to be lacking in the opposition analysis department. But I think part of the problem is our medium sized players are generally too slow. Last season guys like E. Curnow, Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Plowman, White, Smedts, Graham, Gibbs, etc., just couldn't keep up with the oppositions breakaway players.
Add to that, we let defenders run off guys like Wright, Thomas and Silvagni while bombing the ball predictably to either Casboult or Kreuzer instead of looking for the loose players. We can have all the talls we like, but if we fail to make use of those in the open we won't win many games.
Better and faster ball use will help in this regard too!
Hopefully the new guys like Pickett and Garlett will help in this regard. But we are generally a slow team. You need exceptional talent like a Sam Mitchell type to offset a lack of speed. And the game seems to be getting faster.
Hard to imagine why being able to kick both feet is no longer valued in recruiting, the reason Mitchell was so good was that he could go either way and deliver the ball efficiently to someone 25 - 30m away. It broke up the opposition defense, in a way we don't.
Pickett looks interesting to me, he's the one who looks to have the X-Factor, but can he deliver it regularly enough or for long enough!
Garlett has the leg speed, he's got SPS covered in this regard. SPS is a magnificent lateral mover but might lack the pace that saw him compared early in his career to a McLeod type player.
Garlett and SPS are both hard as nails, but their size is a problem because it's leave them less than durable. You need a deep list that can carry them late into the season, a bit like the way the Dawks have mothballed Rioli in recent years.
Better and faster ball use will help in this regard too!
First hands on the ball hasn't helped, faster ball use only comes into play when you have the ball. Nthmond built a flag on causing turnovers in their defence and running like chooks out of D50, we along with other clubs couldn't keep up with them. If we tried that on they would run us down.
Yet, it's a style of play very hard to maintain for 4 quarters against a fast skilled opposition.
Did you watch when the Saints obliterated them mid year?
And yes, good ball use usually suggests you have the ball in hand! ;) :o
I thought two clubs intimidated Nthmond last season, Adelaide and St Kilda, on both occasions it was the opposition smalls who ran riot against them. Rance was poor in both games, partly because both opposition sides had more than 10 goal kickers and Rance cannot cover them all. Which is one of the reasons I think expecting two or three talls to kick bags against Nthmond is a losing strategy. The two times opponents really got hold of them medium / smalls kicked bags.
Nthmond reversed the trend when it mattered.
I thought two clubs intimidated Nthmond last season, Adelaide and St Kilda, on both occasions it was the opposition smalls who ran riot against them. Rance was poor in both games, partly because both opposition sides had more than 10 goal kickers and Rance cannot cover them all. Which is one of the reasons I think expecting two or three talls to kick bags against Nthmond is a losing strategy. The two times opponents really got hold of them medium / smalls kicked bags.
Nthmond reversed the trend when it mattered.
Yes, no doubt. But I bet other teams watched those games, and tried to repeat the dose, and failed. Even the Crows themselves couldn't repeat it. The sign of a good team when you can right the ship the way the Tigers did.
Yes, no doubt. But I bet other teams watched those games, and tried to repeat the dose, and failed. Even the Crows themselves couldn't repeat it. The sign of a good team when you can right the ship the way the Tigers did.
But you can dead-set bet they have analysed the life out of those games over the pre-season.
Very few clubs have lists that can learn on the run, this might be Dimma's luckiest coincidence, that he's got a bunch of self-coaching fast learners and pretty much no discernible structure that can opponents cane identify.
But you can dead-set bet they have analysed the life out of those games over the pre-season.
Very few clubs have lists that can learn on the run, this might be Dimma's luckiest coincidence, that he's got a bunch of self-coaching fast learners and pretty much no discernible structure that can opponents cane identify.
Maybe. But apart from Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis (and getting rid of Vickery), wasn't the list fairly constant before that ? Maybe they're the type that put things together much later in the process, because prior to 2017, they showed very little IMO.
I understand the pessimism given the last decade and more of misery but the tide has turned and will keep turning.
I think we match up very well with the Tigers.
I know there's a lot more to it than height and weight but:
Levi - 201cm, 103kg.
Big H - 204cm, 100kg+
Rance - 194cm, 94kg.
Astbury - 195cm, 95kg (Crippa size)
That;s a big height weight difference.....
and Charlie
195cm, 92kg.
Rance
175 games
4x all australian
1x all australian captain
1x B+F winner
2x B+F runner up
1x premiership player
Astbury
85 games
1x premiership player
Casboult
94 games
1x leading goalkicker
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McKay
2 games
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Curnowfides
27 games
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Yep....a little more than height/weight. ;)
Maybe. But apart from Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis (and getting rid of Vickery), wasn't the list fairly constant before that ? Maybe they're the type that put things together much later in the process, because prior to 2017, they showed very little IMO.
More like the coach woke up to the fact that he's a spud and was better off letting them play football unhindered by his input!
Having more legitimate marking targets up forward has to help (if we can move the quickly).
Levi, Harry, Charlie, SoJ, Garlett and even Crippa in spurts....
Should keep the opposition guessing and not allow Rance to roam where ho chooses.....
I cant believe how much space and latitude this bloke gets. He's is a smart footballer, but he gets an armchair ride from teams with "dumb" tactics. Smart coaches ensure they work the footy through their players they know have opponents with certain deficiencies or weaknesses. Even smarter coaches make sure their players deliver the footy to spots where players like Rance aint at or at least isn't likely to get to.
More like the coach woke up to the fact that he's a spud and was better off letting them play football unhindered by his input!
One word. Leppa
Yes, no doubt. But I bet other teams watched those games, and tried to repeat the dose, and failed. Even the Crows themselves couldn't repeat it. The sign of a good team when you can right the ship the way the Tigers did.
Te Crows had a major 'off' day in the GF.....
Te Crows had a major 'off' day in the GF.....
It's the age old question - did the Crows lose it or did the Tigers win it ? I reckon the latter.
It's the age old question - did the Crows lose it or did the Tigers win it ? I reckon the latter.
Of course it's a mix of both, but Adelaide would smash them 9 times out of 10.
Thw Tigers got lucky, very lucky. Good on them.
So I see that the club has agreed to gate sharing with Nthmond.
I realise we have Liddle on board now, and that Nthmond are cherry ripe so an agreement probably seems apropos.
But on the flip side, it seems odd to me that there was no interest in gate sharing for a decade while we struggled, and now that we appear to be on the right track it's on again! Nthmond, lets not forget they are called Nthmond for a reason, have finished in the top half five or six times since 2009.
Am I too cynical?
Is this a concession from Nthmond that we are heading in the right direction?
So I see that the club has agreed to gate sharing with Nthmond.
I realise we have Liddle on board now, and that Nthmond are cherry ripe so an agreement probably seems apropos.
But on the flip side, it seems odd to me that there was no interest in gate sharing for a decade while we struggled, and now that we appear to be on the right track it's on again! Nthmond, lets not forget they are called Nthmond for a reason, have finished in the top half five or six times since 2009.
Am I too cynical?
Is this a concession from Nthmond that we are heading in the right direction?
I seem to recall the gate sharing agreement was cancelled roughly about the time we got rid of Greg Swann or maybe that was one of his last decisions??
I seem to recall the gate sharing agreement was cancelled roughly about the time we got rid of Greg Swann or maybe that was one of his last decisions??
I find it a bit confusing, some sources are saying it's been re-established, others are saying it's been extended.
I agree, my last recollection was that it was canceled, about the same time Nthmond and Collingwood announced the intention to float alternative plans to the proposed Princes Park redevelopment.
We walked away from the gate-sharing agreement in 2015. I’m not sure how long it was in place but I believe that we opened the season with games against Richmond seven times prior to 2015.
Apart from the agreement improving our cash flow when it’s our away game, the two clubs should have the clout to see off any challengers wanting to muscle in on the opening game.
We walked away from the gate-sharing agreement in 2015.
Was 2015 when the Princes Park redevelopment plans were first touted?
For some reason I have this strong mental link between Nthmond announcing the intention to float a competitive plan for a boutique venue and our ending the gate share agreement.
The gate sharing existed for a while. I believe it was stopped in a year in which we only played the tigers once. (Which makes sense really) and it didn't get taken up again since.
From memory Richmond had the home game in the year we only played once and they refused, so we called it quits. But not 100% on that.
I think it is along those lines Kruddler... Richmond didn’t share the gate in a year we only played once, we then ended it the following year...
I think it is along those lines Kruddler... Richmond didn’t share the gate in a year we only played once, we then ended it the following year...
From memory we tore up the agreement not Richmond in 2015....
I think it is along those lines Kruddler... Richmond didn’t share the gate in a year we only played once, we then ended it the following year...
No, that’s incorrect. We walked away in 2015 after sharing the 2014 gate.
No, that’s incorrect. We walked away in 2015 after sharing the 2014 gate.
No, it isn't... and no, we didn't.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-and-tigers-to-play-once-20131021-2vx73.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-and-tigers-to-play-once-20131021-2vx73.html)
Traditional rivals Carlton and Richmond will play each other only once in the next home-and-away season with the AFL abandoning a return fixture despite the two teams' record-setting attendances in 2013.
The Tigers will host the Blues in the first AFL game at the MCG for 2014 in round-two but will abandon the customary gate-sharing deal as that clash will be the only one between the two sides unless they meet in the finals.
This is despite the fact that the three Carlton and Richmond games in 2013 averaged almost 80,000 a game with the September crowd of more than 94,000 a record for an elimination final.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-06/blues-keep-the-cash (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-06/blues-keep-the-cash)
CARLTON will keep all the gate takings from its season opener against Richmond after rejecting a gate-sharing deal.
In the past, when the two teams have met twice a season, profits from the attendance have been shared.
However last year, when the teams met just once, Richmond took all the money.
"Carlton people would want the best outcome for Carlton and I think it is the right outcome for Carlton," Blues chief executive Stephen Trigg told Fairfax Media.
"By that I mean, I am aware of co-promoting and supporting and gate-sharing.
"While that is not part of the landscape where I have been previously, I am very supportive of that, and continue to be in the principle of that.
"But given that last year there was one fixture ... and the gate wasn't shared then, and the entirety of the gate went to Richmond, it seemed appropriate that it would transpire that Carlton takes the gate in round one this year.
I think it is along those lines Kruddler... Richmond didn’t share the gate in a year we only played once, we then ended it the following year...
Thanks.
Good to see my memory still works.
It's the age old question - did the Crows lose it or did the Tigers win it ? I reckon the latter.
I know where the Premiership Cup resides, which is the only answer to the question about last year's GF.....
My one fervent hope is they see the flag unfurled before the first game and immediately get an increase in their delusions of grandeur.
I know where the Premiership Cup resides, which is the only answer to the question about last year's GF.....
My one fervent hope is they see the flag unfurled before the first game and immediately get an increase in their delusions of grandeur.
This is also my hope, but i see little evidence of a team with its head up its ar$e. They look pretty disciplined and focussed based on their admittedly rather scant 2018 form line.
This is also my hope, but i see little evidence of a team with its head up its ar$e. They look pretty disciplined and focussed based on their admittedly rather scant 2018 form line.
They are a very good chance of going back to back. Unfortunately. Richmond used to beat itself with its lack of faith in its ability.
A little hubris might serve them VERY well.
They are a very good chance of going back to back. Unfortunately. Richmond used to beat itself with its lack of faith in its ability.
A little hubris might serve them VERY well.
you're kidding surely.
I'm calling a return to 9th-mond - and Dusty getting his just desserts early in the season (ditto that sniper Cotchin).
you're kidding surely.
I'm calling a return to 9th-mond - and Dusty getting his just desserts early in the season (ditto that sniper Cotchin).
I wish I was joking.
Fact of the matter is, that you look at their list, how they played in 2017, and the fact that the main stumbling Richmond always had was itself and its lack of winning belief, and you have a very dangerous combination of factors.
They are young enough, experienced enough, and have the right amount of talent in the right places to mean they could very well go back to back. The only other ingredient they need is a little bit of luck.
Ironically they are not that good, but I think the competition has never looked so even, and that you have a hard time splitting 1st to 12th.
Richmond finished with 15 wins, equal with Crows and Cats, and a better % than Geelong. They went on to win the flag. If they're "not that good", what does that make us ?
Richmond finished with 15 wins, equal with Crows and Cats, and a better % than Geelong. They went on to win the flag. If they're "not that good", what does that make us ?
I think you are confusing things by including us in this discussion.
They are "not that good" relative to the rest of the competition.
They are still Good.
I think you are confusing things by including us in this discussion.
They are "not that good" relative to the rest of the competition.
They are still Good.
They finished ahead of 15 other teams at the end of the H/A season and ahead of 17 others at the end of the finals series, and you can't get more ahead than that IMO.
If that's how you define ""not that good" relative to the rest of the competition", then I seriously look forward to the day when we achieve a similar status.
They finished ahead of 15 other teams at the end of the H/A season and ahead of 17 others at the end of the finals series, and you can't get more ahead than that IMO.
If that's how you define ""not that good" relative to the rest of the competition", then I seriously look forward to the day when we achieve a similar status.
I think you are simply picking on terminology.
When they play footy they don't impress me, they are blue collar and they are not that good.
Last year, they found a way to keep winning when I thought they wouldn't (at the pointy end of the season).
I still don't think they are top 4 material (they did sneak in on the back of a couple of weird results) and then won the first game which I thought they wouldn't because I didnt think they were that good.
Make sense??
I still think that they will possibly go back to back, but they could easily slip and miss finals altogether.
The thing is, I think Richmond's biggest issue has been themselves. They were mentally fragile and last year they found a way to rise above it.
Finding a way to win is the sign of a good team. A team that has just won a flag is never "not that good." Whether you perceive them as blue chip or blue collar is not relevant.
If they have as many plonkers, plodders and b-graders as some suggest, then their recent flag entitles them to more respect, not less.
When a team with too much talent wins a flag, that gets poo-pooed because well, of course they're going to win with so many A graders - even I could coach team X to a flag with that talent. When a team of plonkers win a flag, then it's because they got lucky, competition was average, GF opponent had an off day etc.
Winning a flag is incredibly hard. Any team that does so is very good. Period.
I heard part of an interview with Brandon Ellis in which he talked about Richmond’s preparation for 2017. They wanted to tweak the culture and set about that by going hard with their best available 22 in the pre-season games (winning 2 of 3). He said that gave them a more positive approach to the season.
I wonder if Bolts has taken that on board ???
Either way, I reckon it will be a close contest. If Richmond is off the pace, we will take advantage ????
Does that mean they smash their teammates at training by slamming them two seconds after they take a mark or run through blokes with their head over the ball?
Does that mean they smash their teammates at training by slamming them two seconds after they take a mark or run through blokes with their head over the ball?
Cotchin must have spent most of the pre season learning how to snipe...
Cotchin must have spent most of the pre season learning how to snipe...
All it takes is a few minutes of Hodge or Selwood footage and you are in the know, the next part, being a prick, comes naturally to some! :o
I respect Hodge, he's a prick, but he takes what he gives and doesn't whine about it.
Cotchin and Dimma bitch to the media and umpires the minute someone tries to hand back what Cotchin tries to hand out! They offer him up like he's a victim, it's just a smokescreen so Dusty can run around and poke a few more people in the throat! ;)
Did we ever confirm who got Ed Curnow back when?
Did we ever confirm who got Ed Curnow back when?
I heard it was friendly fire, a backhander from a team-mate.
But who cares, even if it wasn't Dusty he's still guilty of it several times a quarter.
How can the game's authorities allow one player to do this so blatantly while penalising all others?
Finding a way to win is the sign of a good team. A team that has just won a flag is never "not that good." Whether you perceive them as blue chip or blue collar is not relevant.
If they have as many plonkers, plodders and b-graders as some suggest, then their recent flag entitles them to more respect, not less.
When a team with too much talent wins a flag, that gets poo-pooed because well, of course they're going to win with so many A graders - even I could coach team X to a flag with that talent. When a team of plonkers win a flag, then it's because they got lucky, competition was average, GF opponent had an off day etc.
Winning a flag is incredibly hard. Any team that does so is very good. Period.
While i don't disagree with the majority of what you wrote, i think you (and some others) have missed the major reason the Tigers won the flag.
They had basically ZERO injuries all year.Cotchin (25)
Martin (25)
Grigg (25)
Rance (25)
Rioli (25)
Astbury (25)
Castagna (25)
Ellis (25)
Grimes (25)
Nankervis (24)
Lambert (24)
McIntosh (24)
Riewoldt (23)
Butler (23)
Caddy (22)
Prestia (22)
Houli (21)* Missed games because of suspension for KO'ing Lamb from memory
Edwards (20)
That is 18 players that played 20 or more games from their grandfinal side. Half of them, played all 25!
Doing the maths, it means that only 4 players from their Grand Final side played less than 20 games for the year.
That is simply unheard of.
So yes, they got lucky.....because they didn't get any injuries!
It would be interesting to see how other teams faired.
But nobody can question Nthmond's 2017 luck and be taken seriously, but they have to worry about it, they have the trophy!
Did we ever confirm who got Ed Curnow back when?
Cotchin’s name seems to crop up quite a bit but I don’t think anyone has been named as the culprit and I don’t know of anyone who claims to have seen the incident. As LP suggests, it could well have been friendly fire.
If it was Martin, Cotchin or another Richmond player, we’re not a club who would whinge about it.
While i don't disagree with the majority of what you wrote, i think you (and some others) have missed the major reason the Tigers won the flag.
They had basically ZERO injuries all year.
Cotchin (25)
Martin (25)
Grigg (25)
Rance (25)
Rioli (25)
Astbury (25)
Castagna (25)
Ellis (25)
Grimes (25)
Nankervis (24)
Lambert (24)
McIntosh (24)
Riewoldt (23)
Butler (23)
Caddy (22)
Prestia (22)
Houli (21)* Missed games because of suspension for KO'ing Lamb from memory
Edwards (20)
That is 18 players that played 20 or more games from their grandfinal side. Half of them, played all 25!
Doing the maths, it means that only 4 players from their Grand Final side played less than 20 games for the year.
That is simply unheard of.
So yes, they got lucky.....because they didn't get any injuries!
No doubt. Most teams that win a flag need luck of one type or another. They certainly had a great run with injuries. The real question that is impossible to answer is how big a role did that lack of injuries play ? The Dogs won in 2016 with a bad run of injuries : Murphy, Johannisen, Adams, McLean, Wallis, Redpath, Morris, Stringer, Dahlhaus and Libba, were either out for the season or out at various points.
I guess when it's your time............
I got sick of reading about who smashed Ed’s larynx so I’ve just watched the game focusing on Ed...
I think Ed got his larynx smashed when he was out on the piss after the game.
With 1min remaining in the 4/4 Nankervis got a free kick for holding at the top of the goal square and Ed was running into frame, and @ 30 sec remaining he was providing an option in the back pocket...
He seemed to be running and breathing just fine.
I saw nothing in the earlier part of the game that suggested any sort of heavy knock.
From the Hun, 31 July 2017:
CARLTON coach Brendon Bolton has called Ed Curnow’s parents to explain a move to send him back onto the field with an injured larynx.
Curnow is in danger of missing the rest of the season after suffering the bruised larynx in the Round 14 loss to Richmond.
Carlton has confirmed the tagger is still experiencing difficulty talking during activity.
Curnow sought medical treatment on the interchange bench after receiving a blow to the throat and was permitted to return to the field for a short period.
He went to hospital that night.
And from Ed himself:
“It’s probably the strangest injury I’ve had in my career,” he said.
“I got a tiny elbow to my neck playing against Richmond in the first minute.
I got sick of reading about who smashed Ed’s larynx so I’ve just watched the game focusing on Ed...
You could have saved yourself some time and just studied the first minute :)
It looks like Martin threw an elbow back after Ed tackled him to the ground. Pretty innocuous, but that’s all it takes.
Dimma has just won himself a new deal.
I'm tipping in 16.20 days from right now they'll be calling for his sacking on talk back radio! ;D
No doubt. Most teams that win a flag need luck of one type or another. They certainly had a great run with injuries. The real question that is impossible to answer is how big a role did that lack of injuries play ? The Dogs won in 2016 with a bad run of injuries : Murphy, Johannisen, Adams, McLean, Wallis, Redpath, Morris, Stringer, Dahlhaus and Libba, were either out for the season or out at various points.
I guess when it's your time............
Thats the real question? Seriously??
Umm....it helped them greatly? Not changing a side week to week is an advantage. Never having your best players out of the side is obviously a huge advantage.
I'd hazard a guess and say there is not team in recent history that even comes close to that kind of dream run with injuries.
Thats the real question? Seriously??
Umm....it helped them greatly? Not changing a side week to week is an advantage. Never having your best players out of the side is obviously a huge advantage.
I'd hazard a guess and say there is not team in recent history that even comes close to that kind of dream run with injuries.
Sure it helps, of course it makes a difference, but it's not the difference between a flag and no flag, as the Dogs proved the previous year.
Sure it helps, of course it makes a difference, but it's not the difference between a flag and no flag, as the Dogs proved the previous year.
Who cares about the dogs. Every other team that year had a normal amount of injuries.
What i'm saying is if the Tigers had even a normal amount of injuries, they don't win the flag.
If any team manages to get through a season like that in terms of injuries, they SHOULD win the flag!
Who cares about the dogs. Every other team that year had a normal amount of injuries.
What i'm saying is if the Tigers had even a normal amount of injuries, they don't win the flag.
If any team manages to get through a season like that in terms of injuries, they SHOULD win the flag!
The Dogs comparison is perfectly valid.
At any rate, there are people on here who will tell you that the Tigers are major league plonkers, and even their best 22 is barely good enough to finish 9th. And here we are discussing injuries.
The Dogs comparison is perfectly valid.
At any rate, there are people on here who will tell you that the Tigers are major league plonkers, and even their best 22 is barely good enough to finish 9th. And here we are discussing injuries.
Your logic is flawed.
What i'm saying is if a team has basically zero injuries, they should win the flag.
What i'm not saying is a team with injuries cannot win a flag.
It is so rare that a team doesn't have injuries but every year a team wins the flag.....with injuries.
Your logic is flawed.
What i'm saying is if a team has basically zero injuries, they should win the flag.
What i'm not saying is a team with injuries cannot win a flag.
It is so rare that a team doesn't have injuries but every year a team wins the flag.....with injuries.
So if we had zero injuries last year, we should have won the flag ?
Count me as skeptical.
So if we had zero injuries last year, we should have won the flag ?
Count me as skeptical.
There is obviously more to it than that, but if you are there or thereabouts in the finals race, then yes. You should.
From the Hun, 31 July 2017:
And from Ed himself:
You could have saved yourself some time and just studied the first minute :)
It looks like Martin threw an elbow back after Ed tackled him to the ground. Pretty innocuous, but that’s all it takes.
Haha... thanks DJC, there’s worse games I’ve watched anyway.
Interesting, the team with the new era small forward line and single marking target wants Tom Lynch!
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Interesting, the team with the new era small forward line and single marking target wants Tom Lynch!
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
i think 16 out of 18 teams would like Lynch, maybe not WCE and Sydney...
i think 16 out of 18 teams would like Lynch, maybe not WCE and Sydney...
No doubt, but I've just spent three days reading and responding to posts from Kruddler that tell me teams like Nthmond are trending towards small fast forward structures leaving Weitering types nobody to play on. More the fool me!
No doubt, but I've just spent three days reading and responding to posts from Kruddler that tell me teams like Nthmond are trending towards small fast forward structures leaving Weitering types nobody to play on. More the fool me!
LP, i gave up reading that little tete a tete!
Looking forward to Weiters and SPS having a run this Saturday.
No reason we can't beat the Dawks comfortably too. Put Ed C on Mitchell...
I think our newly found 'outside' speed, courtesy of SPS, Dow, Mullett, the two Jarrods, Lang will catch many teams off guard this year - get a 5+ goal lead in Q1 and any decent team is pretty hard to claw back.....
The Dogs comparison is perfectly valid.
At any rate, there are people on here who will tell you that the Tigers are major league plonkers, and even their best 22 is barely good enough to finish 9th. And here we are discussing injuries.
Bullcrap.
Not that good and Major League Plonkers is absolutely not the same thing.
Also, teams with a good run with zero injuries do tend to do pretty well in the season proper (and by extension the finals). You could even argue that it was the difference between Adelaide losing the flag last year, as they had quite a few start to drop off torwards the end of the year, including question marks on Rory Sloane and Eddie Betts.
As for the Doggies, your assertion regarding their run with injuries was false. They survived the season with many injuries but come finals football, it was widely reported that the new bye round made the difference between them being able to get their better players back from injury with another week off to recover and then compete better.
remember when the crows played the Giants in the qualifying final?? Rory Sloane had to undergo a fitness test to play that game. Eddie had also had his appendix removed a couple of weeks earlier too. The Tigers most recent injury before that happend months earlier with a freak incident hurting Riewoldts eye at training.
Finally, the other teams in the finals also each had a major injury to at least one key player during the finals series. The Tigers had NONE.
Bullcrap.
Not that good and Major League Plonkers is absolutely not the same thing.
Also, teams with a good run with zero injuries do tend to do pretty well in the season proper (and by extension the finals). You could even argue that it was the difference between Adelaide losing the flag last year, as they had quite a few start to drop off torwards the end of the year, including question marks on Rory Sloane and Eddie Betts.
As for the Doggies, your assertion regarding their run with injuries was false. They survived the season with many injuries but come finals football, it was widely reported that the new bye round made the difference between them being able to get their better players back from injury with another week off to recover and then compete better.
remember when the crows played the Giants in the qualifying final?? Rory Sloane had to undergo a fitness test to play that game. Eddie had also had his appendix removed a couple of weeks earlier too. The Tigers most recent injury before that happend months earlier with a freak incident hurting Riewoldts eye at training.
Finally, the other teams in the finals also each had a major injury to at least one key player during the finals series. The Tigers had NONE.
The point I'm making is this : there is a view that the Tigers blessed run with injuries was the difference between flag and no flag. I don't agree with this, although clearly it made their run home easier.
It made a bigger difference to their run all season. Continuity with a core, large group got them across the line in several close encounters....builds confidence etc etc.
If they lose Dusty to injury for a decent period, for example, how will they go then? :o
Crows were always a bit flaky and bullied the weak teams, the tigers got stronger as the year went on.
I think our newly found 'outside' speed, courtesy of SPS, Dow, Mullett, the two Jarrods, Lang will catch many teams off guard this year - get a 5+ goal lead in Q1 and any decent team is pretty hard to claw back.....
Opposition speedsters won't stroll out of our defence if we have mids capable and prepared to chase them down.
Opposition speedsters won't stroll out of our defence if we have mids capable and prepared to chase them down.
And LP goes BANG! ;D
It made a bigger difference to their run all season. Continuity with a core, large group got them across the line in several close encounters....builds confidence etc etc.
If they lose Dusty to injury for a decent period, for example, how will they go then? :o
They also lost 4 games by less than 1 goal, so clearly the much vaunted core large group is a hit and miss affair.
Dusty has played 20 or more games every single season since his debut in 2010, but the Tigers only looked good this season. He had a super 2017 - Leigh Matthews said it was the greatest season ever by a player. So what made more of a difference to the Tigers last year ? Was it his super season, or was it the different players / culture etc. around him that made the bigger difference ? I say the latter.
Dusty was probably the stand out player in the comp last year... He was significantly better than previous years.
Congratulations to him... hopefully come rd 1 he gets smashed into the MCG turf and breaks a collarbone.
Dusty was probably the stand out player in the comp last year... He was significantly better than previous years.
Congratulations to him... hopefully come rd 1 he gets smashed into the MCG turf and breaks a collarbone.
I don't hope for that at all. As a spectator, you want to see the best the AFL has to offer. Claiming Dusty as a legitimate AFL scalp would be quite something for any opponent.
I don't hope for that at all. As a spectator, you want to see the best the AFL has to offer. Claiming Dusty as a legitimate AFL scalp would be quite something for any opponent.
Agree Paul, I dont wish injury on anyone, as you say claim his scalp on its merits and the player(s) concerned will become an overnight hero(s).
No doubt, but I've just spent three days reading and responding to posts from Kruddler that tell me teams like Nthmond are trending towards small fast forward structures leaving Weitering types nobody to play on. More the fool me!
Well when the 1 key forward they have is turning 30 this year.....you expect them to say they don't want a 25yo who is arguably better than Jack Riewoldt?
Cmon LP, thats something flyboy would say.
I don't hope for that at all. As a spectator, you want to see the best the AFL has to offer. Claiming Dusty as a legitimate AFL scalp would be quite something for any opponent.
Ok... just smash him into the rock hard turf repeatedly with legitimate tackles.
Ok... just smash him into the rock hard turf repeatedly with legitimate tackles.
Hmm, that sort of behaviour is a little broad for my rather dainty tastes - picture this :
- we introduce the new improved version of the 3 amigos (Pickett, Samo, Garlett) : faster, fitter, better skills, better head space. The three of them hunt as a pack. Dusty, ball in hand, tearing away from congestion, puts on the afterburners, but has no idea that his afterburners are made by Kia, and is mowed down by the real deal (Pickett) before he can even think about the don't argue, just like the tackle JP laid on Gunston last year - ball spills free, and the 3 of them share passes, run and carry, nobody gets within cooeee of them, GOAL to Samo.
Rinse and repeat twice with JP and Garlett on the end for a goal apiece.
There you go, 3 Dusty tackles, 3 goals.
Finally an ideology I can embrace.
Surely we can get a "Go Fund Me" page up and about offering $1000 to a charity of the players choice for every bone-crunching tackle laid on Dusty! $2000 for fending Dusty off!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-sweat-on-fitness-of-premiership-stars-for-opening-round-20180308-p4z3i6.html
injuries! (maybe) ;)
I have never been more unsure about how we might fare in this first game. Unknowns everywhere for our side, and Richmond are no longer perennial chumps.
If the Tiges get up and about early, the place will turn into a cauldron.....
Let's hope that the 70,000+ Yellow and Black fans are so gobsmacked that they make no noise at all.
I have never been more unsure about how we might fare in this first game. Unknowns everywhere for our side, and Richmond are no longer perennial chumps.
If the Tiges get up and about early, the place will turn into a cauldron.....
Let's hope that the 70,000+ Yellow and Black fans are so gobsmacked that they make no noise at all.
Without doubt this will be a very tough one for us but the glory is there for the taking! 8)
Can’t see us winning - happy if we can be competitive and emerge unscathed for the Gold Coast in rd 2.
Their JLT form looks ominous, but to quote ol mate Gary Hall Jr, I hope "we smash them like guitars".
Richmond could be forced to make four changes to their premiership team in round one as they sweat on the fitness of midfielder Dion Prestia and Bachar Houli.
With Nathan Broad serving a club-imposed suspension in the first three rounds and Daniel Rioli ......
That's a few significant potential outs?
That's a few significant potential outs?
Agree, good time to play them when they have a few sore or out and think they are unbeatable after a good preseason.....they will start favourites but I give us a chance...
If it helps any, last time the Tigers won the flag they played us in Round 1 the next year. We smashed them unmercifully with first gamers Bosustow and Hunter starring! Hope it happens again.
Although he probably doesn’t deserve it, I think we need to play McKay. We need Rance ‘occupied’ with a tall, while 2 others have some sort of freedom. 2 talls narrow our chances with the best Blackman in the game down there.
Agree, good time to play them when they have a few sore or out and think they are unbeatable after a good preseason.....they will start favourites but I give us a chance...
Would be a great morale booster for us. We can hope!
Interesting team selection for round 1 coming up. I Don’t think we can play Jones, Weitering, Marchbank & Plowman in the same backline against Richmond. Simpson is not a lock down small defender so not sure what his role will be.
I have high hopes for Paddy Dow, I think he is a future captain of our club.
I hope Kreuzer gets up cos I doubt we can play Casboult & Mckay as our two ruckman. Lobbe has played some good football at Port Adelaide and will be a good replacement in the ruck if Kreuzer doesn’t play.
7 days to go folks. Very happy to see some football after 6 months. Replays and old footage on Youtube only work for a short period.
Hotcox?
Hotcox?
Yes i am back! Looking forward to round 1 and hoping the blues can spoil the Tigers party at the MCG.
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Pickett out, Garlett or who in?
Sorry to see Pickett out but I think we can cover the loss.
Sorry to see Pickett out but I think we can cover the loss.
Seemingly, but I'm not so confident we have anyone who has his same potential or explosiveness.
Seemingly, but I'm not so confident we have anyone who has his same potential or explosiveness.
Garlett just as tricky, don't worry. And no less quick.
Garlett just as tricky, don't worry. And no less quick.
Agree. I'd loved to have seen Pickett play R1 but Garlett could provide just as many thrlls.
How do we know Pickett is an out?
How do we know Pickett is an out?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-16/carlton-loses-small-forward-for-three-months
ouch, poor bloke. Can't take a trick....
Agree. I'd loved to have seen Pickett play R1 but Garlett could provide just as many thrlls.
Think Garlett probably lacks the overhead marking ability of Pickett and isnt as strong in the body, more of a genuine crumber type IMO but
its a good chance for him to impress.....nice to have both working together at some stage....
Six more sleeps and Dasha Gavrilova can go back to using the Nthmond Premiership Cup as a chamber pot!
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Perhaps the Nthmond fans can then burn the 2017 flag in it to kick of AFL's version of The Ashes!
It's another fine mess Kate Sheahan has got them into!
Yes i am back! Looking forward to round 1 and hoping the blues can spoil the Tigers party at the MCG.
Welcome back!
Always enjoyed your contributions.
Welcome back!
Always enjoyed your contributions.
Agree. Welcome back.
Yes i am back! Looking forward to round 1 and hoping the blues can spoil the Tigers party at the MCG.
Is it really the same Hotcox? If so, that’s spectacular!
Perhaps this will herald a return of more of the old stalwarts and controversial posters :)
Is it really the same Hotcox? If so, that’s spectacular!
Perhaps this will herald a return of more of the old stalwarts and controversial posters :)
x4.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-silent-face-of-football-20180316-p4z4su.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dusty-silent-face-of-football-20180316-p4z4su.html)
more of this please. pump, pump, pump them up!!
Six more sleeps and Dasha Gavrilova can go back to using the Nthmond Premiership Cup as a chamber pot!
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Perhaps the Nthmond fans can then burn the 2017 flag in it to kick of AFL's version of The Ashes!
It's another fine mess Kate Sheahan has got them into!
:) :) :)
Maybe the return of Hotcox might bring forth Navy Andrew from his deep slumber..... Hey Hotcox always loved your work you have been missed here
Maybe the return of Hotcox might bring forth Navy Andrew from his deep slumber..... Hey Hotcox always loved your work you have been missed here
If someone could put the call out to Gozza that would be appreciated too.
If someone could put the call out to Gozza that would be appreciated too.
If he's still with us... Hey, Gozzman, you still alive? Heading to the season opener? :)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-19/incredibly-brave-kreuzer-fit-to-face-tigers
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-19/incredibly-brave-kreuzer-fit-to-face-tigers
I'd be gob-smacked if Kennedy and Dow are the only two débutantes, I'd expect Garlett to also get a run assuming the injury reports are accurate.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/murphy-leaves-his-mark-but-wants-young-blues-to-lift-20180319-p4z50w.html (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/murphy-leaves-his-mark-but-wants-young-blues-to-lift-20180319-p4z50w.html)
I won't be surprised if Mullett gets a run against Richmond, we need pace in the defensive 50 and he has it
I'd be gob-smacked if Kennedy and Dow are the only two débutantes, I'd expect Garlett to also get a run assuming the injury reports are accurate.
Yep, agree. Especially with Pickett going down. I watched the replay (v Dawks JLT) again yesterday and wouldn't be surprised if O'Brien get a gig as well, especially with Cuningham being disappointing again (poor tackles, fades in and out and craps trou under pressure). He'd be a long shot though.
I won't be surprised if Mullett gets a run against Richmond, we need pace in the defensive 50 and he has it
Admittedly I've never watched him play, but comments on here suggest he's not really defensively minded.
I won't be surprised if Mullett gets a run against Richmond, we need pace in the defensive 50 and he has it
From what i saw of him, he struggles to find a bloke wearing the same coloured jumper! No good being quick if you hand it back to the opposition.
I actually thought he was ok in the 2nd JLT game. I just think the way they score is with pace and pressure in the forward line, to combat that you need pace and smarts, we have the smarts but I'm not sure we have the pace
There's pace of player then there's pace of ball movement....i think the Tigers are more about the latter than the former....
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/everyone-wants-a-piece-of-the-tigers-20180319-p4z52m.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/everyone-wants-a-piece-of-the-tigers-20180319-p4z52m.html
nice article, here’s hoping the boys get a piece of em.
pure fluff. ::) ::) ::)
Bring on the bloody footy!!
I actually thought he was ok in the 2nd JLT game. I just think the way they score is with pace and pressure in the forward line, to combat that you need pace and smarts, we have the smarts but I'm not sure we have the pace
He was OK in the 2nd game.
He was absolutely woeful in the first game.
Yep, agree. Especially with Pickett going down.
I would be astonished if he does play. His sum total of senior football over the last couple of years is 17 with the Gold Coasters in 15 and 16, WAFL in 2017 and half a JLT game. Not the greatest preparation for a high pressure Round 1 AFL clash.
i guess it comes down to how the Club rates him.
SPS played Rd 1 last year - with great success - without any JLT time?
When are the teams named?
The good ol day, Hotcox. Gozza and Bluesgirl and the blond from Barossa who came all the way over to see her fav who was promptly dropped. :)
The good ol day, Hotcox. Gozza and Bluesgirl and the blond from Barossa who came all the way over to see her fav who was promptly dropped. :)
That would be Carolyn; she organised a catch up at Darklands and I got to meet Cookie, Bluesgirl and someone else - whose name escapes me.
That would be Carolyn; she organised a catch up at Darklands and I got to meet Cookie, Bluesgirl and someone else - whose name escapes me.
I remember that day! I think the other person was Age? It's amazing - would have sworn it was at the G?
Bluesgirl and Caz write great. Would love to see them back at some stage. I left around the same time due to a couple of members that are no longer here, but I found my way back. I hope they do as well.
I remember that day! I think the other person was Age? It's amazing - would have sworn it was at the G?
Now you've got me questioning my memory Cookie :-\
Carolyn arranged to meet me outside a particular "bar", as she called it. That sounds more like the G.
I definitely spent half time with her and her son at Docklands but I'm thinking that may have been a different occasion. I reckon you're right about Age too; another poster who is sadly missed.
G'Day All,
Who here thinks that Harry Mckay should play?
I dont think he should. At this stage he doesn't appear to have the competitiveness we need in all our players if we stand a chance of beating the Tiges.
G'Day All,
Who here thinks that Harry Mckay should play?
I dont think he should. At this stage he doesn't appear to have the competitiveness we need in all our players if we stand a chance of beating the Tiges.
Harry should definitely play. He is extremely competitive - perhaps a product of being a twin - but he is yet to really use that competitiveness productively.
At worst, Harry takes a tall defender away from Levi and Charlie. At best, he clunks a few marks and slots a couple of goals - and he has shown that he can do OK in the ruck. What's not to like about that?
Harry should definitely play. He is extremely competitive - perhaps a product of being a twin - but he is yet to really use that competitiveness productively.
At worst, Harry takes a tall defender away from Levi and Charlie. At best, he clunks a few marks and slots a couple of goals - and he has shown that he can do OK in the ruck. What's not to like about that?
it ain't rocket science...well said DJC.
Harry should definitely play. He is extremely competitive - perhaps a product of being a twin - but he is yet to really use that competitiveness productively.
At worst, Harry takes a tall defender away from Levi and Charlie. At best, he clunks a few marks and slots a couple of goals - and he has shown that he can do OK in the ruck. What's not to like about that?
Yep. Let's get him into the heat, no better way to learn.
Any more word on Houli?
If he and Prestia don't play, we'll win comfortably.
G'Day All,
Who here thinks that Harry Mckay should play?
I dont think he should. At this stage he doesn't appear to have the competitiveness we need in all our players if we stand a chance of beating the Tiges.
I'd give him the 1st 5 games and see what happens.... let him know that he wont be dropped and tell him to go for it... It took Hawkins years to come good so I'm not expecting miracles from him just a few goals here and there would be nice....
It would be even nicer if he took a game by the scruff of then Neck and kicked a bag... :D
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dow-among-four-new-blues-for-afl-opener-20180321-p4z5fb.html
Mullett and Garlett to play....
Nearest the pin round 1 team?
B Byrne, Ciaran Silvagni, Alex (R) Plowman, Lachlan
HB Mullett, Aaron Jones, Liam Marchbank, Caleb
C Curnow, Charlie Cripps, Patrick Murphy, Marc
HF Garlett, Jarrod Casboult, Levi Lamb, Jed
F Pickett, Jarrod Weitering, Jacob Silvagni, Jack
R Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Petrevski-Seton, Sam
IC Dow, Paddy Simpson, Kade Wright, Matthew
Curnow, Edward
E Fisher, Zac Lang, Darcy McKay, Harry
This is my team from December 13. Pickett / ASOS out injured and Fisher & I guess Cunningham in are the only changes by the looks. Good that the team has some level of predictability to it.
Really wish we'd found a spot for Harry though.
I'd give him the 1st 5 games and see what happens.... let him know that he wont be dropped and tell him to go for it... It took Hawkins years to come good so I'm not expecting miracles from him just a few goals here and there would be nice....
It would be even nicer if he took a game by the scruff of then Neck and kicked a bag... :D
Agree Maxy.
Agree Maxy.
x2, especially if others are able to kick enough goals. Harry needs to be blooded now - his possible upside is very very important to us.
Any more word on Houli?
If he and Prestia don't play, we'll win comfortably.
They are both out
Really surprised Harry hasn't been picked.
Conditions in the last game didn't suit marking forwards at all with the slippery ball and he performed well for a very inexperienced ruck when thrown in there as well, which would have had an impact on his tank also.
Perhaps there is another reason and he hasn't performed at training or something, but I would have picked him on the JLT games.
Anyway perhaps next week
Gee I like BB's media conferences... the very antithesis of MM, no snide, adversarial comments. Such a refreshing change to listen to grounded, realistic & measured optimism together with important information.
Harry not playing is no surprise, just a little too top heavy. He'll get his chance as the kid needs continuity of games, as mentioned by our coaching staff. 4 new faces to don the navy blue - Dow, Garlett, Mullett and Kennedy.
I'm not expecting/hoping for anything more tomorrow night than a fair-dinkum dip... and I reckon that's what we'll see. It'll take time now for all the newbies to meld, so probably a very up and down season... but I reckon the ups (glimpses into our future) will be exciting and moments of full-on quick, transitional footy.
Mrs Baggers and I have our memberships, and now being 'long distance' / country members will only be able to make it to a few games - very impressed with the package for those of us who live 150k plus from Melb.
Good to hear Diesel is back in the fold presenting Paddy Dow's jumper today.
I know I'll get burned for saying, but apart from size, I haven't seen a lot to get excited about with McKay. He took a couple of grabs in JLT1. Plenty on here so Raye him though, so hopefully he will get a good run to show if he has anything to go on with.
I know I'll get burned for saying, but apart from size, I haven't seen a lot to get excited about with McKay. He took a couple of grabs in JLT1. Plenty on here so Raye him though, so hopefully he will get a good run to show if he has anything to go on with.
He's shown no form so it's a sensible decision to leave him out. 4 or so marks from nearly two full JLT games for a 200cm forward just isn't enough.
I'm not sure we've seen much from Mullett, perhaps there are a few more injuries going around that the club admits.
Soooooooooo happy to see Garlett and SPS in the one line up.
Gee I like BB's media conferences... the very antithesis of MM, no snide, adversarial comments. Such a refreshing change to listen to grounded, realistic & measured optimism together with important information.
Harry not playing is no surprise, just a little too top heavy. He'll get his chance as the kid needs continuity of games, as mentioned by our coaching staff. 4 new faces to don the navy blue - Dow, Garlett, Mullett and Kennedy.
I'm not expecting/hoping for anything more tomorrow night than a fair-dinkum dip... and I reckon that's what we'll see. It'll take time now for all the newbies to meld, so probably a very up and down season... but I reckon the ups (glimpses into our future) will be exciting and moments of full-on quick, transitional footy.
Mrs Baggers and I have our memberships, and now being 'long distance' / country members will only be able to make it to a few games - very impressed with the package for those of us who live 150k plus from Melb.
Yep, Tigers are on the small side so Harry is probably one too many talls, I want him played but I am also a big fan of picking the team based on the opposition and getting all the matchups right....Mullett probably got the nod ahead of OShea because he is a better fit for the Tiger small forwards.
I expect to be competitive and come close to winning especially with Houli, Prestia as likely outs... if we get knocked over by 4 goals plus then its probably going to be a long year...I'm hoping too the Tigers are in a premiership hangover still, might start real slow and we can jump them and hang on..
There was a rumor circulating that Nthmond might be playing an even shorter team than usual due to some niggles, not sure if this affected our decision.
What's the weather report?
- Warmish with a chance of light showers, so greasy conditions, not ideal for an out of form marking target.
There was a rumor circulating that Nthmond might be playing an even shorter team than usual due to some niggles, not sure if this affected our decision.
What's the weather report?
http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml
Nice and sunny. Maybe a little windy.
http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/melbourne.shtml
Nice and sunny. Maybe a little windy.
Hi Paul, the 2:15pm update today says a slight chance of less than 1mm and a temp of 20°C at 9pm.
So it will probably be warm, it might be greasy, but it appears certain to be windy. Wind has traditionally not been good for us, we struggle to hit targets in perfect conditions.
Nearest the pin round 1 team?
B Byrne, Ciaran Silvagni, Alex (R) Plowman, Lachlan
HB Mullett, Aaron Jones, Liam Marchbank, Caleb
C Curnow, Charlie Cripps, Patrick Murphy, Marc
HF Garlett, Jarrod Casboult, Levi Lamb, Jed
F Pickett, Jarrod Weitering, Jacob Silvagni, Jack
R Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Petrevski-Seton, Sam
IC Dow, Paddy Simpson, Kade Wright, Matthew
Curnow, Edward
E Fisher, Zac Lang, Darcy McKay, Harry
This is my team from December 13. Pickett / ASOS out injured and Fisher & I guess Cunningham in are the only changes by the looks. Good that the team has some level of predictability to it.
Really wish we'd found a spot for Harry though.
Pickett is injured as is Lang. Not sure Silvagni will get a gig with no JLT form and a small forward line to contend with......
Hi Paul, the 2:15pm update today says a slight chance of less than 1mm and a temp of 20°C at 9pm.
So it will probably be warm, it might be greasy, but it appears certain to be windy. Wind has traditionally not been good for us, we struggle to hit targets in perfect conditions.
Disagree, my weatherzone forecast says winds of only 7km/hr from the SSE/ESE right through the game period.
Yep, Tigers are on the small side so Harry is probably one too many talls, I want him played but I am also a big fan of picking the team based on the opposition and getting all the matchups right....Mullett probably got the nod ahead of OShea because he is a better fit for the Tiger small forwards.
I expect to be competitive and come close to winning especially with Houli, Prestia as likely outs... if we get knocked over by 4 goals plus then its probably going to be a long year...I'm hoping too the Tigers are in a premiership hangover still, might start real slow and we can jump them and hang on..
I heard on SEN the Tiggers are @ $2. I'm no betting guru but that does not sound like a lay down misere for them - or does it?
I heard on SEN the Tiggers are @ $2. I'm no betting guru but that does not sound like a lay down misere for them - or does it?
I believe that is a special bet offer, not the real odds.
I believe that is a special bet offer, not the real odds.
Ah! Do you know the real odds TFIB?
Pickett is injured as is Lang. Not sure Silvagni will get a gig with no JLT form and a small forward line to contend with......
I did mention Pickett / ASOS out injured
Earlier on Sportsbet.
H2H.
Tiges 1.18
Blues 5.00
Earlier on Sportsbet.
H2H.
Tiges 1.18
Blues 5.00
Those odds look about right to me.
Odds of $2.00 for the Tiges is a special from one of the betting agencies.
$20 maximum bet is the catch....
Odds of $2.00 for the Tiges is a special from one of the betting agencies.
$20 maximum bet is the catch....
Worth taking if only to taunt the Footy gods.
CARLTON'S ROUND 1 LINE-UP:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 14. Liam Jones 22. Caleb Marchbank
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 23. Jacob Weitering 20. Lachie Plowman
Centreline 18. Aaron Mullett 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy
Half-forwards 25. Zac Fisher 41. Levi Casboult 21. Jarrod Garlett
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 30. Charlie Curnow 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 15. Matthew Kennedy 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Interchange 38. Ciaran Byrne 35. Ed Curnow 2. Paddy Dow
13. Jed
Pretty darn solid team that....
Will look better again with Willo and Lang in the 22.
I copped flak for saying Weitering might miss out because we're too top heavy. Instead its McKay who misses out.
If Weiters ends up playing forward i'll be filthy!
Would much prefer McKay to play forward, then have Weitering moved forward because he's not needed in defence, but we'll see how it plays out.
The rest of the side is ok. Probably wouldn't have had Mullett in there, potentially not Byrne either, but good enough i guess.
I copped flak for saying Weitering might miss out because we're too top heavy. Instead its McKay who misses out.
If Weiters ends up playing forward i'll be filthy!
Would much prefer McKay to play forward, then have Weitering moved forward because he's not needed in defence, but we'll see how it plays out.
The rest of the side is ok. Probably wouldn't have had Mullett in there, potentially not Byrne either, but good enough i guess.
Weitering may get the tag on Rance which Mckay couldnt do...
Kennedy on Martin, E. Curnow on Cotchin...? Daisy Half Forward, Byrne Half back....reckon Lamb might start and Garlett on the pine..
I copped flak for saying Weitering might miss out because we're too top heavy. Instead its McKay who misses out.
If Weiters ends up playing forward i'll be filthy!
Would much prefer McKay to play forward, then have Weitering moved forward because he's not needed in defence, but we'll see how it plays out.
The rest of the side is ok. Probably wouldn't have had Mullett in there, potentially not Byrne either, but good enough i guess.
If we pop the tigers balloon you won't care if Weiters' shows up in a pink tutu and does a rendition of Swan Lake, McKay hasn't earned his spot yet, hopefully he will soon.
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Aaron Mullett, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
HF: Zac Fisher, Levi Casboult, Jarrod Garlett
F: Matthew Wright, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Int: Ed Curnow, Ciaran Byrne, Paddy Dow, Jed Lamb
Emg: David Cuningham, Cameron Polson, Harry McKay, Cameron O'Shea
I think Mullett is a little lucky. He hasn't set the work on fire as yet. I just hope Garlett and Kreuzer are fit: I hate playing guys who are not 100%.
Richmond
B: Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB: Nick Vlastuin, Jayden Short, Brandon Ellis
C: Shaun Grigg, Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin
HF: Jason Castagna, Jack Graham, Jacob Townsend
F: Jack Riewoldt, Josh Caddy, Dan Butler
R: Toby Nankervis, Kane Lambert, Dustin Martin
Int: Reece Conca, Shai Bolton, Kamdyn McIntosh, Corey Ellis
Emg: Anthony Miles, Sam Lloyd, Callum Moore, Ivan Soldo
I really want to pound these poseurs.
On paper it looks like a fairly even match up, then you tell yourself that Richmond are the reigning Premiers and it wasn't a fluke.
They are very hard at it, well disciplined, play for each other and have some seriously underrated players, if we get within 20 points I'll be happy.
I cant see us parking Charlie Curnow at Full Forward or even as a permanent 4 quarter foward... ?
I think we could had squeezed Harry in... oh well.
Can't wait... Bring it on.
On paper it looks like a fairly even match up, then you tell yourself that Richmond are the reigning Premiers and it wasn't a fluke.
They are very hard at it, well disciplined, play for each other and have some seriously underrated players, if we get within 20 points I'll be happy.
ok, i'll bite.
Name a few of their underrated players...?
Pretty good line-up I reckon.
I thought Williamson may have got a gig ahead of Mullet but maybe there is a fitness problem there somewhere.
There has been plenty of support for playing Harry on here but I always thought he was only outside chance.
Only played the 2 ordinary games last year and did stuff all in the pre-season stuff. BB has already said that no-one will be gifted a game and I fully support that.
We're in with a chance, but it's a long shot.
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Aaron Mullett, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
HF: Zac Fisher, Levi Casboult, Jarrod Garlett
F: Matthew Wright, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Matthew Kennedy, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Int: Ed Curnow, Ciaran Byrne, Paddy Dow, Jed Lamb
Emg: David Cuningham, Cameron Polson, Harry McKay, Cameron O'Shea
I think Mullett is a little lucky. He hasn't set the work on fire as yet. I just hope Garlett and Kreuzer are fit: I hate playing guys who are not 100%.
Richmond
B: Alex Rance, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB: Nick Vlastuin, Jayden Short, Brandon Ellis
C: Shaun Grigg, Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin
HF: Jason Castagna, Jack Graham, Jacob Townsend
F: Jack Riewoldt, Josh Caddy, Dan Butler
R: Toby Nankervis, Kane Lambert, Dustin Martin
Int: Reece Conca, Shai Bolton, Kamdyn McIntosh, Corey Ellis
Emg: Anthony Miles, Sam Lloyd, Callum Moore, Ivan Soldo
I really want to pound these poseurs.
Happy seeing Lloyd and Miles out...dont rate Conca, and Ellis has proved nothing remarkable either....
Graham and Townsend were damaging in the finals and I hope we have done our homework and get the right matchups....
reckon we'll win comfortably...
But can we
Happy seeing Lloyd and Miles out...dont rate Conca, and Ellis has proved nothing remarkable either....
Graham and Townsend were damaging in the finals and I hope we have done our homework and get the right matchups....
Be interesting to see if Miles can get back into the Tiger 22 this year. If he can't he will surely be on the move.
Our midfield and centerline look pretty light on compared to Nthmond, that will be where we face our biggest challenge.
I don't think we can score enough, reckon we'll give them a run in the midflield though, but we just won't get the rewards that they will
reckon we'll win comfortably...
Always the glass half full. Love it ^-^
FWIW I am not writing our boys off for this one. They might just get on top of the Tigers while they bask in their premiership glory.
All the very best to our debutants. Wear the Navy Blue (assuming it's not grey) with pride. Welcome Bam Bam, Garlett, Mullet, and our young Paddy Wow.
Go new Blues
Is Williamson injured? I'd be dumbfounded if we picked Mullet ahead of a fit Williamson - the kid is a fair-dinkum star.
Is Williamson injured? I'd be dumbfounded if we picked Mullet ahead of a fit Williamson - the kid is a fair-dinkum star.
yes, he had back soreness, hot spots, whatever.
No appearances in JLT...
Is Williamson injured? I'd be dumbfounded if we picked Mullet ahead of a fit Williamson - the kid is a fair-dinkum star.
Apparently available R2. Lang looks to be ready then also.
Happy seeing Lloyd and Miles out...dont rate Conca, and Ellis has proved nothing remarkable either....
Graham and Townsend were damaging in the finals and I hope we have done our homework and get the right matchups....
Im even happier Houli and Prestia are out.
Im even happier Houli and Prestia are out.
Very significant outs!
Happy with all the newbies bar Mullett, don’t rate him at all, would rather Cunningham....still all the best to all tonight :)
Happy with all the newbies bar Mullett, don’t rate him at all, would rather Cunningham....still all the best to all tonight :)
SOS recruited the bloke, give him a call - and a spray! :D
I will watch with more than a little hope for a win but it will be a stiff test for us for sure. Tiger outs are certainly handy for us.
The team for Rd 1, 2017:
CARLTON
B Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
HB Harrison Macreadie, Sam Rowe, Caleb Marchbank
C Sam Docherty, Bryce Gibbs, Jarrod Pickett
HF Dennis Armfield, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright
F Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni, Dale Thomas
FOL Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
I/C Sam Petrevski-Seton, Billie Smedts, Charlie Curnow, Simon White
To me, the team for tonight is better.
No army, Smedts or White, no Pickett (who this time last year was pretty unfit) and the young blokes eg SPS, Charlie, Weiters are all that extra year more experienced, fitter etc.
Moreover Kennedy, Garlett, Mullett are all experienced at senior AFL level. Indeed Mullett has played a finals match.
Thomas too, looks in good nick and in form.
Our backline looks formidable, our midfield deeper and better balanced.
The Tigers will be short favourites - and rightly so.
Doesn't mean they'll win though.
I say this every year. Previous seasons form and performances are gone and are history. Tonight we start fresh and full of hope. I hope we put in a performance that matches the hype and expectation surrounding our young team. We have a great opportunity to play the reigning premiers and rain on their flag unfurling parade. The guys have been setting themselves for this one, lets hope take this opportunity with both hands and kick the Tiggers asses. Dare to Dream.
Go Blues
The team for Rd 1, 2017:
CARLTON
B Lachie Plowman, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
HB Harrison Macreadie, Sam Rowe, Caleb Marchbank
C Sam Docherty, Bryce Gibbs, Jarrod Pickett
HF Dennis Armfield, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright
F Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni, Dale Thomas
FOL Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
I/C Sam Petrevski-Seton, Billie Smedts, Charlie Curnow, Simon White
To me, the team for tonight is better.
No army, Smedts or White, no Pickett (who this time last year was pretty unfit) and the young blokes eg SPS, Charlie, Weiters are all that extra year more experienced, fitter etc.
Moreover Kennedy, Garlett, Mullett are all experienced at senior AFL level. Indeed Mullett has played a finals match.
Thomas too, looks in good nick and in form.
Our backline looks formidable, our midfield deeper and better balanced.
The Tigers will be short favourites - and rightly so.
Doesn't mean they'll win though.
No Gibbs, Docherty and Rowe either FB.
However, I do think that it is a more evenly balanced team with our lesser players a step up from last season’s opening round 22. The addition of Liam Jones is a huge positive - and I never thought that I would say anything like that about him!
The club seems to be keeping a really low profile in the media with no puff pieces just a couple of stories about some of the boys and their journey.
Last couple of years before the season started there were no end of feel good stories.
I think it is great, keeping the powder dry and remaining focused on the task at hand.
Go New Blues!
I say this every year. Previous seasons form and performances are gone and are history. Tonight we start fresh and full of hope. I hope we put in a performance that matches the hype and expectation surrounding our young team. We have a great opportunity to play the reigning premiers and rain on their flag unfurling parade. The guys have been setting themselves for this one, lets hope take this opportunity with both hands and kick the Tiggers asses. Dare to Dream.
Go Blues
Thankfully there's a lot more hype around the Tigers....and little mention of the loss of Houli, Prestia, Rioli and Broad.
The Tigers aren't a team you fear (like the Hawks, Cats or Swans of yesteryear).
Our boys should feel confident after beating the Saints and Hawks - and most players appear in good form especially Cripps, Levi, Jones, Kennedy, Daisy, Marchbank and Plow (and Byrne). i won't go on ;)
SPS is critical to uor fortunes tonight and on. If he's playing well, the opposition never touches him and he essentially does as he pleases.
I hope Charlie has a blinder too - I'd be getting him to man up Rance first up and run him ragged.
Midfields are where games are almost always won or lost.....ours looks deeper, stronger and classier. :D
And when Kreuzer plays well, we inevitably are right in a match.
And someone needs to sit both Dusty and Cotchin on their respective butts, especialy when Dusty tries that illegal throat/head fend off.....
I cant see us parking Charlie Curnow at Full Forward or even as a permanent 4 quarter foward... ?
I think we could had squeezed Harry in... oh well.
Can't wait... Bring it on.
He'll do some midfield stuff when Cripps goes forward. Cripps will be spending more time forward this season.
Nthmond make a big deal about scoring, but the statistics expose something very different.
Nthmond and Sydney were two of the most consistent defensive sides in the AFL for 2017.
Nthmond's scoring quarter by quarter was erratic, but they came good in the last quarters which might well be related to their low injury count as has been previously suggested.
http://www.finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?TeamID=8&SeasonID=2017#quarterstats
http://www.finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?TeamID=15&SeasonID=2017#quarterstats
No matter what Nthmond scored on average, the opposition averaged less.
If not for their shizen start to the season, the numbers suggest the Swans should have won the flag by some margin.
Probably the top attacking team was the Crows, but their defense was erratic.
http://www.finalsiren.com/Fixture.asp?TeamID=1&SeasonID=2017#quarterstats
The stats are a bit simplistic, they do not account for things such as who you play once or twice and the venues you play at. But they are a good indicator.
The media would have you think Nthmond roll the dice a lot, and back themselves to outscore the opposition, but not defensively it seems! You don't get those consistent defensive numbers by rolling the dice, rolling the dice gives you variable defensive numbers like the Crows.
It's Rnd 1, and Nthmond already have nearly as many injuries as they had last season!
Looks like a very nice evening for footy. Weather bureau still saying clear skies, no rain and light to medium winds.
My wife and I just got here. There is one bloke warming up on his own. (daisy). The next two out to join him Marchbank and Plowman.
This is why daisy is rated so highly. Leaves no stone unturned.
OK, I have finished today’s tasks; cutting up a large fallen branch, splitting firewood, sanding a table top and fitting an e-locker switch guard to the 4WD. I have had a scrub and I’m preparing for the game :)
However, I have come up with an issue in my preparations and I’m seeking guidance.
Is it acceptable to put half a dozen cans of pale ale into a cooler so I don’t have to leave the couch?
:P
Go Blues!