As usual, I will complete the title after the game with some appropriate. I have my preferences. :)
Anyway, it is ready for use when required.
Game just done. I edited the topic title. I have no idea what happened except that we lost by about 10 goals.
Scrappy match that we were expected to lose, hung in there for three quarters but fell away in the last which allowed them to give the scoreboard a pummelling.
Most of the players tried hard, can't ask for much more than that, just outclassed.
Glaring weaknesses once again were the lack of midfield depth and genuine key position players, especially a gorilla to take big marks and kick goals. This should be addressed over the next couple of off-seasons.
I just tried to lock the In Game thread to find that someone else had already had that idea. ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Nichevo. Great minds must think alike. ;)
Our structural weaknesses are showing. Now that we have shown teams that we can be dangerous, they will probably be more respectful of us. However, that does not help us win. :(
Now comes the hard part: to get our list up to scratch when the others KNOW we are on the right track. Stephen Silvagni, time for you to pull out some more miracles.
I think Cripps is carrying an injury...if that's the case he's doing pretty well.
I'd like to see White freed up and playing as a full forward.
Not too disappointed by that effort...they're a couple of years ahead of us and we have a bit of work to do in the midfield and forward.
I'd like us to have a crack at Patton..can play forward and back.
Had a crack, got close a few times but simply ran out of class in the end.
Certainly very competitive for 3/4. Fell away and outclassed in the 4th.
I am (Carlton) satisfied with the effort, given our limitations.
Gibbs was solid in his 200th.
Go Blues
Game went to script, not sure we learned anything new either good or bad and time to move on to beating the Pies...
Not a bad effort for a 10 goal loss.
It sounds a bit stupid but GWS will have plenty of 10 goal wins in Sydney over the next two or three years, they have the makings of a very good team.
We can get by on G&D up to a point but when we strike some classy opposition our foot soldiers get found out.
Gibbs and Cripps our best I though, Docherty and Tuohy both battled hard and so did Ed Curnow but we were simply overwhelmed.
GWS are awesome...
Still think we have better players on the list than Tutt, Lamb and Sumner -- good depth players but not starting 18 quality
Yet more proof that we need a lot more speed around the stoppages. When GWS break from a clearance (i.e the first pass right after a tap down) they are already in the clear and running in waves.
GWS have already done a number on a few teams this year - I'm sure we won't be the last.
No real surprises here. Pretty much what we expected. GWS are very very talented in all depts. We know only too well where we are.
Haven't seen any of the game (in transit) but I think that the pick of the Crows duo is definitely MATTHEW Wright.
Comments??
To a degree both ex-crows have been strong, fairly consistent contributors. They've both been excellent role models for the young guys, setting the standard for fitness and effort. Happy to have them both this year.
Haven't seen any of the game (in transit) but I think that the pick of the Crows duo is definitely MATTHEW Wright.
Comments??
Tend to agree - I'm not really a fan of Kerridge. Works very hard and certainly gets around the ground BUT he fumbles too much for mine and his disposal is so so - often puts the receiver under pressure. I can understand why the Crows let him go. Wright is definitely my preference of the two.
After watching that, I'm sure Gill and the crew are plenty happy with their contrived, manipulated, conflicted,and ridiculously over advantaged at the expense of all other clubs, GWS outfit that no one could really give a Flying F..k about, sitting pretty in the top 3.
WWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWW....!!!!!
I thought Kerridge's disposals had been scrappy, whilst Wright's were cleaner. To my surprise, Kerridge is amongst our highest for "effective disposals" to date. Go figure, guess you see what you see and miss what you miss ;)
After watching that, I'm sure Gill and the crew are plenty happy with their contrived, manipulated, conflicted,and ridiculously over advantaged at the expense of all other clubs, GWS outfit that no one could really give a Flying F..k about, sitting pretty in the top 3.
WWWWWWOOOOOOOWWWWWW....!!!!!
Yep I agree totally.
The have a list that is impossible to build without getting the bucket load of hand outs they got.
And regardless they are a team in a city that no one cares about Afl and never will. The have a massive chance to go all the way this year and play bloody exciting footy yet the stands are empty.
I reckon we had as much support in the stands today then they did.
Give that list another few years and they will be unstoppable. Joke.
I thought Kerridge's disposals had been scrappy, whilst Wright's were cleaner. To my surprise, Kerridge is amongst our highest for "effective disposals" to date. Go figure, guess you see what you see and miss what you miss ;)
Guess so LN. I would summarise Kerridge as a hard working but untidy footballer - I don't enjoy watching him, he frustrates me.
I'm more on the dissapointed side - we looked like a team who never thought they could win. Margin was probably about right given how dominant they were in the 1st half... but to be within 2 goals in the 3rd and loose by 10...
That spring in the step, and that vibe the boys had in their recent string of victories, just wasn't there last night. It was almost back to the old days, but not quite.
A few random points :
- Daisy was barely servicebale, but I've given up on him being the injection of high end talent that we'd hoped for, who can produce week in week out.
-Cas is the only mobile marking target we have. I can't imagine how depleted we would be without this asset, whatever other glaring faults he may have. For now, I'm glad we have him.
-White was good.
-Doc continued his very good form
-Gibbs was good.
-Our forward press was penetrated too easily for mine. I lost count of how many times GWS broke through with 2 or 3 of their players alone in the F50.
-I know GWS do this to many other teams, but their breakaways from stoppages and entries into F50 all came way too easily for mine.
Sigh..............
And seriously, how difficult can Leon Cameron's job really be ? They're like wind up toys - just wind them up, and off they go............
Doesn't Dermie love the sound of his own voice. Doesn't shut up and f*cking comments on every contest, and with a massive bias towards the Giants.
Stevie J was the only player on the field at one stage in last quarter. For a good 5 mins he was all they all spoke about.
Sh1t commentry these days - esp when compared to Lou richards Tim lane, and co.
Doesn't Dermie love the sound of his own voice. Doesn't shut up and f*cking comments on every contest, and with a massive bias towards the Giants.
Stevie J was the only player on the field at one stage in last quarter. For a good 5 mins he was all they all spoke about.
Sh1t commentry these days - esp when compared to Lou richards Tim lane, and co.
Every week there is a new contender for "worst commentator" - but I agree, Dermie is the absolute pits. Irritating, dopey faux Aussie tough guy drawl, and just makes one dumb comment after another.
That spring in the step, and that vibe the boys had in their recent string of victories, just wasn't there last night. It was almost back to the old days, but not quite.
A few random points :
- Daisy was barely servicebale, but I've given up on him being the injection of high end talent that we'd hoped for, who can produce week in week out.
-Cas is the only mobile marking target we have. I can't imagine how depleted we would be without this asset, whatever other glaring faults he may have. For now, I'm glad we have him.
-White was good.
-Doc continued his very good form
-Gibbs was good.
-Our forward press was penetrated too easily for mine. I lost count of how many times GWS broke through with 2 or 3 of their players alone in the F50.
-I know GWS do this to many other teams, but their breakaways from stoppages and entries into F50 all came way too easily for mine.
Sigh..............
I was at the game, and unlike some others, I think it is a disadvantage in terms of getting a good handle on the goings on... But I thought the exact opposite of Casboult (and all of our forwards). Admittedly I could only watch them closely for half of he game when they were running towards my end. The thing that sticks out for me is the lack of work our forwards do in trying to lead and make space. Casboult would stand dead in the middle of the forward fifty and basically wait until the ball was less than a kick away before moving. He rarely made more than one lead. We often criticise the midfielders for banging it in high to a contest, but our forwards rarely give them a leading option.
Sounds like I am bashing Casboult, but same goes for all of our forwards. It's pretty disgraceful really, but while I am on the topic of working off the ball, same could be said for just about every player on the team. In most of our games it is fairly noticeable that our guys work rate, in offence, and without the ball is pretty poor. We don't get bodies moving nearly enough. It's probably why we are forced to go backwards and try to switch sides so often.
The other bugbear I have is that too often our guys are too slow in releasing the ball once they taken a mark. Often the momentum is stifled and we allow the defence to catch up. Maybe also a symptom of the lack of movement from our players, but often I see it happening when there are options to kick to.
And while Rowe has been really good of late, and even last night I thought he wasn't too bad, on at least 3 occasions, right in front of me, he was drawn out to the 50m mark by his man where he stopped and allowed his man to backtrack towards goal to be an easy kick over Rowe's head. Not the first time Ive noticed it, something he needs to work on.
Thoughts on Cripps this year?
Amazing clearance player but no defensive spread whatsoever and lacks run from a contest and as a result rarely hurts the opposition this year on the outside...seemed better in this area last year.
Maybe his knee is restricting him....coming off a bye I was hoping to see him at least spread and show some outside run but nothing.
Many including me thought he was shaping up as a genuine A grader
but IMO needs massive improvement in this area to get to that level.
Still love watching him in close but.
deags,
I'm always happy to read comments from people at the game, so kudos for that. My comments about Cas were really about his work other than as a forward. But your point is well made, and well taken.
It sounds from your assessment that the TV in this instance wasn't lying - the boys were flat and sluggish. And with few exceptions, our team really lacks leg speed.
Not having a go Paul. I think Casboult's strength is when he moves up the ground, much like Nick Reiwoldt has done more as his career progressed. He seems to do really well when he moves up the ground and presents as a target.
On Cripps... I didnt get to see much of him last night, but in the St Kilda game I thought he was the main offender at centre bounces in allowing his man to get goal side and move the ball forward. I thought that was poor positional play though rather than a lack of effort or anything. His inside efforts though are nothing short of amazing.
no worries deags.
Thoughts on Cripps this year?
Amazing clearance player but no defensive spread whatsoever and lacks run from a contest and as a result rarely hurts the opposition this year on the outside...seemed better in this area last year.
Maybe his knee is restricting him....coming off a bye I was hoping to see him at least spread and show some outside run but nothing.
Many including me thought he was shaping up as a genuine A grader
but IMO needs massive improvement in this area to get to that level.
Still love watching him in close but.
My thoughts are Crippa needs support.. its just Gibbs and Cripps in the middle and they need to both play at elite level every week so we can be competitive the rotation through the middle are average or sub standard. Curnow does a good honest job every week but...
Kerridge, Sumner, Lamb rotating through the middle probably not good enough quality to give Gibbs and Cripps a chop out
My thoughts are Crippa needs support.. its just Gibbs and Cripps in the middle and they need to both play at elite level every week so we can be competitive the rotation through the middle are average or sub standard. Curnow does a good honest job every week but...
Kerridge, Sumner, Lamb rotating through the middle probably not good enough quality to give Gibbs and Cripps a chop out
Agree. The real quality is spread too thinly and it loses its effectiveness. We need a couple more high quality mids at least and it didn't help that Murph was out.
I thought Sumner, Kerridge and Lamb looked pretty good yesterday against what is generally the heaviest opposition they are likely to encounter for many years to come. Give them the time to improve their ball use or decision making and you will see things improve dramatically. I liked the pace that Sumner and Lamb added, our lack of pace from the likes of Gibbs and Cripps really showed against GWS.
Gibbs doubters best shut up now.
Philips was a bit disappointing, Mumford really smashed him and Kreuzer, there is no doubt in my mind Kreuzer is still carrying an injury.
I have no idea why our talls still struggle to clunk marks, Kreuzer, Philips, Everitt and Casboult all had clear first hands to the ball inside F50 a number of times but put down 80% of the opportunities.
The game made our defence look ordinary, but the problem is again midfield defensive run, GWS just strolled away from our guys. It's no accident we are suffering in Murphy's absence, not only does he give us run but he maintains structure. When the likes of E.Curnow, Kerridge, Cripps and Gibbs lose structure they do not have the pace to bridge the gaps.
I thought both Irishmen were OK today, but they were let down by team-mates not making space or offering. Again this was a structural issue, too many times we had two or three around the ball and nobody in place to receive. Cripps could not keep up with play last night, or was being managed, perhaps he is injured.
I've liked Lamb and Sumner this year. Lamb has been great in the small forward type role. Sumner's pace is something we need as we seem to lack players with genuine pace.
I thought Kerridge was a bit off last night, ball use was poor at times, but in general he has been pretty good this year.
My thoughts are Crippa needs support.. its just Gibbs and Cripps in the middle and they need to both play at elite level every week so we can be competitive the rotation through the middle are average or sub standard. Curnow does a good honest job every week but...
Kerridge, Sumner, Lamb rotating through the middle probably not good enough quality to give Gibbs and Cripps a chop out
I do agree we are very light on for midfield depth but my point is relating to his general leg speed away from a contest and having greater depth is not the answer IMO. That part of his game is well below last year levels and seems to just jog around when ball is in the open instead of sprinting to make space or link up with team mates.
That's why he was so damaging last year - he had the balance of inside grunt combined with clean damaging disposals away from the contest. Injuring his knee in a pre season game and considering its sill strapped is a possible reason.
Need speed around the stoppages. Right now our plan is Cripps and er ......
Cripps shortcomings are easy to highlight but they are accentuated when he's the focus. You needs options, fast options to help out.
For me, in summary, the game was yet another clear demonstration of us having to play right out of our skins to keep in touch with a top side which has quality and effective running players. It was even shown up against the more lowly Saints. It showed up most yesterday at the end of each of each of the first 3 Qs and for most of the last. We just can't maintain the required level of effort and we eventually get run over.
That's what needs to be worked on. Some of the answer will lie in improving our existing players, some of whom undoubtedly show promise, the rest will involve bringing in better quality talent.
Need speed around the stoppages. Right now our plan is Cripps and er ......
Cripps shortcomings are easy to highlight but they are accentuated when he's the focus. You needs options, fast options to help out.
We missed Army, and could use Boeky.
Buckley is probably the next best thing...which with his disposal is a bit of a worry
Not much that surprised, game went as expected.
Midfield depth and pace around there is a real worry, and is priority in my opinion. That doesn't mean throwing pacy players around the fringes who need it dished out to them. It's more about players who win their own and can move quickly away. Docherty is a classic example hit can hit the ball at pace win it and move quickly. I would love him in the midfield but love him where is now as well.
Kerridge is another who is a good athlete does a lot of things well enough but is a bottom 6 player and not someone who I think very highly of. Wright at the moment has been the better pick up from the Crows. Just looking forward to seeing Curnow, McKay, Silvagni and Jacksh from here on in.
Symbolically though that performance was Gibbs' career in a nutshell on his 200th.
re: Cripps....is the new Judd.....where we rely on him too much and he is getting banged up and sat on by opposing teams, losing Murphy has meant losing some structure and other teams get to concentrate on Cripps more...
Kerridge is a good B grader but wont take the load off a player like Cripps, its essential we recruit a couple of big bodied mids who can be trained up to help Cripps and allow him some time out of the middle and rest a bit more up forward so he can also expand his game and become a regular goalkicker.
My greatest fear is we will overload Cripps and he will either break down with injury or not develop to his fullest potential...
What did people think of the Fox coverage?
I thought the commentary was piss weak and appalling and the lack of frequent replays was amazing.
And people pay for that type of service? Glad I don't pay for Fox.
Need speed around the stoppages. Right now our plan is Cripps and er ......
Cripps shortcomings are easy to highlight but they are accentuated when he's the focus. You needs options, fast options to help out.
Fast options sadly lacking on our list...nothing in the seconds as we saw yesterday, nothing :(
What did people think of the Fox coverage?
I thought the commentary was piss weak and appalling and the lack of frequent replays was amazing.
And people pay for that type of service? Glad I don't pay for Fox.
I was surprised they didn't replay a few goals that our players claimed were touched that the umpires for whatever reason didn't go upstairs for. It was like they didn't want to know about it.
None of the contentious decisions seemed to be replayed at the ground either.
None of the contentious decisions seemed to be replayed at the ground either.
Probably didn't have enough time ;)
We were on the wrong end of some shockers, not that it made any difference to the result.
Perhaps the score review technology was not operating or not installed ???
I was surprised they didn't replay a few goals that our players claimed were touched that the umpires for whatever reason didn't go upstairs for. It was like they didn't want to know about it.
I was under the impression that 'every' goal gets reviewed as the ball is returned to the centre.
One thing that struck me during the game is that Stevie J and Mummy would struggle with our skinfold tests.
I would happily put up with blokes carrying a little extra weight if they have attitude and the game to back it up.
I was under the impression that 'every' goal gets reviewed as the ball is returned to the centre.
Me too but how do we really know? All I know is we see umpires waste time calling for pointless reviews but on Saturday we had players claiming touched a few times but they were ignored.
Me too but how do we really know? All I know is we see umpires waste time calling for pointless reviews but on Saturday we had players claiming touched a few times but they were ignored.
I remember one being overturned this round when the players were setting up for a bounce...think it was a Ziebell goal in his game.
re: Cripps....is the new Judd.....where we rely on him too much and he is getting banged up and sat on by opposing teams, losing Murphy has meant losing some structure and other teams get to concentrate on Cripps more...
Kerridge is a good B grader but wont take the load off a player like Cripps, its essential we recruit a couple of big bodied mids who can be trained up to help Cripps and allow him some time out of the middle and rest a bit more up forward so he can also expand his game and become a regular goalkicker.
My greatest fear is we will overload Cripps and he will either break down with injury or not develop to his fullest potential...
^^^^ this.
Cripps is being expected to do too much, specially with Murphy out.
We certainly need at least 3 new mids. The problem is we also need a decent KPF ( a'la Patton ). Harry McKay is 2-3 yars away yet. ( That's if he makes it at all ).
With Jammo off the radar we will need a KPD too.
About 2-3 years away yet I reckon.
Just a little concerned that we've put two pretty disappointing efforts together, back to back.
Just a little concerned that we've put two pretty disappointing efforts together, back to back.
We were pretty much outclassed v. GWS Baggers, this week will be a better indicator.
when is the coaching panel going to learn,how manny many times have we seen our long kick into our crowded fwd line and watch the oppostion run run it out to there opened fwd line for goals
when is the coaching panel going to learn,how manny many times have we seen our long kick into our crowded fwd line and watch the oppostion run run it out to there opened fwd line for goals
When you have a bloke like Tutt kicking forward while looking backwards over his shoulder you have to expect those sorts of things.
I'd rather a player who will take some pain and scrub a kick forward to advantage over a bloke who bombs it long from space, turns and jogs back to the beginning.
Need speed around the stoppages. Right now our plan is Cripps and er ......
Cripps shortcomings are easy to highlight but they are accentuated when he's the focus. You needs options, fast options to help out.
Yes, next we need mids next.
We hope Cunningham turns outs and Boekhorst is a good contributor. Then look at more in this year's draft.
Just a little concerned that we've put two pretty disappointing efforts together, back to back.
Is this the end of the honeymoon period?
The
real Carlton are about to take over??
I'm going this week with a pack of collingwood mates. I hope we don't make it 3 from 3!
You could just about pick the result of our last two games after the first five minutes
Our intensity has to be there from the start and maintained for the whole game.
Otherwise we struggle.
You can tell early in the game if the intensity isn't there and it's going to be a long afternoon.
If we come with the effort we can give most sides a fright.
Disappointing that we were the only team that lost in this round after a week off. I thought they would have run the game out a little better.
re: Cripps....is the new Judd.....where we rely on him too much and he is getting banged up and sat on by opposing teams, losing Murphy has meant losing some structure and other teams get to concentrate on Cripps more...
Kerridge is a good B grader but wont take the load off a player like Cripps, its essential we recruit a couple of big bodied mids who can be trained up to help Cripps and allow him some time out of the middle and rest a bit more up forward so he can also expand his game and become a regular goalkicker.
My greatest fear is we will overload Cripps and he will either break down with injury or not develop to his fullest potential...
Here here!!
I don't think Gibbs helps enough here either, though going ok for sure.
Think we need more clearance/contested beasts who can damage the opposition.
Can Steele (Giants) and Jong (Dogs) help? Unsure. But could do.
What about trying to snare Brad, and or, Matt Crouch from the Crows?
Is Jaeger O'Meara (Suns) over priced at the said $ of 750k per season?
Do we chase Dion Prestia (Suns)?
Do we try top get a draft pick that will allow us to pick us Will Brodie (189cm/82kg) in this draft?
Or even better, Hugh McCluggage (185cm/75kg)?
You'll need a top 2-3 pick for this IMHO.
I rate Jordan Gallucci (183cm/75kg), Joe Atley (186cm/84kg), Andy McGrath (180cm/75kg), Tim Taranto (186cm/82kg), Daniel Venables (186cm/81kg) and Jack Scrimshaw (193cm/80kg) in this years draft. Sam Powell-Pepper (186cm/83kg) is another decent option, though not 100% sold on him as a high draft pick.
McGrath a little smaller at 180cm but those first five are a little bigger, though McGrath could handle himself IMO. Scrimshaw, at 193cm, could be a real bolter this year. A leftie and could rise like another leftie in Bontempelli. Needs some size to that frame though.
Here here!!
I don't think Gibbs helps enough here either, though going ok for sure.
Think we need more clearance/contested beasts who can damage the opposition.
Can Steele (Giants) and Jong (Dogs) help? Unsure. But could do.
What about trying to snare Brad, and or, Matt Crouch from the Crows?
Is Jaeger O'Meara (Suns) over priced at the said $ of 750k per season?
Do we chase Dion Prestia (Suns)?
Do we try top get a draft pick that will allow us to pick us Will Brodie (189cm/82kg) in this draft?
Or even better, Hugh McCluggage (185cm/75kg)?
You'll need a top 2-3 pick for this IMHO.
I rate Jordan Gallucci (183cm/75kg), Joe Atley (186cm/84kg), Andy McGrath (180cm/75kg), Tim Taranto (186cm/82kg), Daniel Venables (186cm/81kg) and Jack Scrimshaw (193cm/80kg) in this years draft. Sam Powell-Pepper (186cm/83kg) is another decent option, though not 100% sold on him as a high draft pick.
McGrath a little smaller at 180cm but those first five are a little bigger, though McGrath could handle himself IMO. Scrimshaw, at 193cm, could be a real bolter this year. A leftie and could rise like another leftie in Bontempelli. Needs some size to that frame though.
I like Dylan Clarke from Eastern...185cm/85kg...has played very well for Vic metro recently
Either of the crouches would be good, but good luck getting them out of Adelaide.