The winds of change continue to blow through Princes Park
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-laidley-david-buttifant-leave-carlton-20150907-gjgo3r.html
The winds of change continue to blow through Princes Park
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dean-laidley-david-buttifant-leave-carlton-20150907-gjgo3r.html
Media also reporting Barker and others are on the way out as well!
This was very much on the cards: it was one of the things brought up on the 'Assistants' thread in the last week or so.
I am of 2 minds as to Buttifant: he was a Matlhouse appointment, but we really didn't show signs of being any worse under him than we did under Justin Cordy. However, as a clear Malthouse appointee, he did not appear to be as appreciated after Mick's departure. It was clear a week ago that he was going.
The question we now have is simple: can we find someone to make us the fittest, strongest, fastest team on the park without flowing James Hird into oblivion in the process?
Laidley going disappoints me. We have done particularly well in the midfield this year: ranked #2. Much of that was Laidley. Considering that we had ruck dominance for about 2 games in the entire year, our ability to get clearances was amazing. I was hoping we could work on that, and that Laidley might be retained to do so. Since he stopped being a head coach, he hasn't done or said anything moronic, nor irritated me.
However, it appears he was one of the first out of the door.
Barker is the one of interest. Few coaches have wanted guys who failed to get their job as assistants. Pagan was quite adamant about that when his relationship with Mitchell died. While both the club and Bolton have come out publically backing Barker and praising him, it is questionable as to whether Barker will find the idea of working with the man who beat him for the job acceptable.
In some ways I hope Barker and Bolton can work together, but I won't be surprised if barker decides to go elsewhere.
This was very much on the cards: it was one of the things brought up on the 'Assistants' thread in the last week or so.
I am of 2 minds as to Buttifant: he was a Matlhouse appointment, but we really didn't show signs of being any worse under him than we did under Justin Cordy. However, as a clear Malthouse appointee, he did not appear to be as appreciated after Mick's departure. It was clear a week ago that he was going.
The question we now have is simple: can we find someone to make us the fittest, strongest, fastest team on the park without flowing James Hird into oblivion in the process?
We had no fitness problems under Cordy, it was just an excuse being made for poor on-filed performance. Cordy is one of Pratt's "Get the Best" that we let slip through the cracks to cover up for a very poor coaching appointment.
Certainly feels like total rebuild now, and not a half a*sed one.
Getting rid of all the dead wood on and off the park... mostly all the remnants of the complacent Sticks / Swann era.
Cashing in on whatever has value...
Sad to see JB go if true,
This is exciting.
I honestly feel like we re doing things right this time.
Certainly feels like total rebuild now, and not a half a*sed one.
Getting rid of all the dead wood on and off the park... mostly all the remnants of the complacent Sticks / Swann era.
Cashing in on whatever has value...
Sad to see JB go if true,
This is exciting.
I honestly feel like we re doing things right this time.
Agree with all of this.
As for JB, if he wants out that's understandable but the club has been all class in it's handling of his situation since the Bolton appointment.
We had no fitness problems under Cordy, it was just an excuse being made for poor on-filed performance. Cordy is one of Pratt's "Get the Best" that we let slip through the cracks to cover up for a very poor coaching appointment.
I'm inclined to agree. Our performance at the end of games was to be feared under Cordy (for the 1st season or so). However, after that we stagnated on fitness and no longer came home at the end. Whether that was Cordy's fault or not was problematical.
I must admit that he hasn't covered himself with glory with what he has done since, but I thought at the time that we were on the right track with him.
We had no fitness problems under Cordy, it was just an excuse being made for poor on-filed performance. Cordy is one of Pratt's "Get the Best" that we let slip through the cracks to cover up for a very poor coaching appointment.
Well thats up for debate, but either way it doesnt matter.
This has become about regime change, and in the process you will lose good peole.
Laidley and Buttifant might well be those people. Either way its irrelevant as we are starting again. Its something that was likely to have occurred late last year (according to what I was thinking before we made the decision to sack Ratten in 2012). The end of 2014 was always going to be the time when his work should reach its peak, and because we changed directions we stopped it from happening, or changed tact enough to render the work useless, or irrelevant.
Either way, we need to be comfortable that we have changed our sights in accordance with our teams fortunes, and are "starting again" with the guys surrounding Patrick Cripps.
John Barker, given the caretaker role after Malthouse left in May, will decide after a week on holiday with his family whether he wants to remain and work as an assistant to Bolton. The Blues are keen for him to stay.
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This shows that Barker is someone they want to keep. I don't think wholesale changes are the way to go, as it seems a very scattergun approach to fixing things.
As an IT person, you take action A and see the result of that action, before you take action B, and the more things you roll into one process the harder is to recognise what worked and what didnt.
I'm inclined to agree. Our performance at the end of games was to be feared under Cordy (for the 1st season or so). However, after that we stagnated on fitness and no longer came home at the end. Whether that was Cordy's fault or not was problematical.
I must admit that he hasn't covered himself with glory with what he has done since, but I thought at the time that we were on the right track with him.
We were also a bit slow to start under Cordy which also didnt help matters, and it can be argued that what worked initially failed in the long term approach.
Its hard to measure. Have a look at Port. They went from running machines, to struggling this year, and im interested to see how the Bulldogs fare next season, because if they too have a drop off, then it might be that Cordy's programs might suit for a season but a plateu in that might be reached where things stop working.
I'm inclined to agree. Our performance at the end of games was to be feared under Cordy (for the 1st season or so). However, after that we stagnated on fitness and no longer came home at the end. Whether that was Cordy's fault or not was problematical.
I must admit that he hasn't covered himself with glory with what he has done since, but I thought at the time that we were on the right track with him.
Well Cordy has the Bulldogs flying, and it was enough for Gold Coast to poach him!
As for "stagnation", I think injuries were more the issue than fitness. In hindsight, we were carrying way to many list cloggers, and had shizen player development(We still do, or at least did until today?)
A really sensible approach.
A complete fresh start is the way to go.
In that process you lose some skills, but it eliminates a rallying point for any discontent with the new regime.
It's the reason why it would be best for Barker to move on as well.
We were also a bit slow to start under Cordy which also didnt help matters, and it can be argued that what worked initially failed in the long term approach.
Being slow to start games has nothing to do with fitness, warm-ups or physical health. It's all in the head! ;)
Buttifant improved our fitness. Problem is the other clubs improved as well. Evolution.
Being slow to start games has nothing to do with fitness, warm-ups or physical health. It's all in the head! ;)
Yes but when we did start well, we didnt finish well which was a concern.
We have never really been a 4 quarter team under either of them, and a fresh slate is nice, but a scattergun approach to fixing things will yield as many misses as it does hits.
I don't like it that much and fear that its throwing the baby out with the bathwater relying on us refilling the bath properly which we have not gotten right yet.
This is all good ....the judge and trigger are doing what they need to do.....
Yes but when we did start well, we didnt finish well which was a concern.
We have never really been a 4 quarter team under either of them, and a fresh slate is nice, but a scattergun approach to fixing things will yield as many misses as it does hits.
I don't like it that much and fear that its throwing the baby out with the bathwater relying on us refilling the bath properly which we have not gotten right yet.
How does any of this relate to fitness?
How does it rationalise the changes at the Bulldogs and the poaching of Cordy by Gold Coast?
You seem to be blaming a bad taste on the color blue!
This is all part of the renewal of CFC. We had reached the point where this had to happen really and even though it may be sad to see one or two go we need to get a completely new spark around the club. Change is the great refresher and re-invigorator.
The nettle seems to have been grasped..........
Lets hope this isn't finger-pointing by a few who have subverted decision making to save their own skins!
Until the prime suspects get the kibosh I remain unconvinced!
Gone - Laidley, Buttifant
??? - Green, Capuano, Webster, Osborne
I'd keep Barker but if he feels he needs to leave then ok as we need him, and all others, giving 100% of themselves under Bolton.
Who comes in I am really interested in. Will he bring anyone at all from the Hawks.
They say they are not replacing Buttifant as such so the restructure with the fitness staff will be interesting also.
Gone - Laidley, Buttifant
??? - Green, Capuano, Webster, Osborne
I'd keep Barker but if he feels he needs to leave then ok as we need him, and all others, giving 100% of themselves under Bolton.
Who comes in I am really interested in. Will he bring anyone at all from the Hawks.
They say they are not replacing Buttifant as such so the restructure with the fitness staff will be interesting also.
Robert Whiley anyone?
I have a feeling a few more yet might also leave.
I have a feeling a few more yet might also leave.
I heard last week that the only one who was almost certain to remain was Capuano.
I must admit I've heard no indication one way or another about Wiley.
...and the dominoes begin to fall. Necessary and important, especially in terms of who we bring in to complete the major renovation.
Buttifant had to go; our fitness was nowhere near other teams and it is common knowledge that Collingwood improved their fitness markedly after Buttifant departed.
Bolton must be given the opportunity to mould a coaching team that understands and promotes the way he wants us to play. Laidley clearly didn't fit and I'm not sure any of the other assistants will either.
I know that Barker has been offered a role, and I suspect that his philosophy isn't far from Bolton's. However, it wouldn't surprise me if Barker went elsewhere to further his career.
The only one I would keep is Capuano. I have been critical of him in the past but he has improved Kreuzer's ruckwork considerably and that has been the key to our good performances in clearances. Hopefully, Bolton and company will be able to build on that.
Buttifant had to go; our fitness was nowhere near other teams and it is common knowledge that Collingwood improved their fitness markedly after Buttifant departed.
Bolton must be given the opportunity to mould a coaching team that understands and promotes the way he wants us to play. Laidley clearly didn't fit and I'm not sure any of the other assistants will either.
I know that Barker has been offered a role, and I suspect that his philosophy isn't far from Bolton's. However, it wouldn't surprise me if Barker went elsewhere to further his career.
The only one I would keep is Capuano. I have been critical of him in the past but he has improved Kreuzer's ruckwork considerably and that has been the key to our good performances in clearances. Hopefully, Bolton and company will be able to build on that.
Im hearing rumors on capuano about being a good bloke and staying ..but he should go with brad green, webster and shane osullivan....
The only one I would keep is Capuano. I have been critical of him in the past but he has improved Kreuzer's ruckwork considerably and that has been the key to our good performances in clearances. Hopefully, Bolton and company will be able to build on that.
Ruckwork is a funny thing DJC.
Our club doesn't get it but it is clear you don't have to win the ruck to get things moving in your preferred direction. You can lose the ruck contest in such a manner that your opponent starts hitting the ball where you want it to go, all the time thinking they are winning!
Ruckwork is a funny thing DJC.
Our club doesn't get it but it is clear you don't have to win the ruck to get things moving in your preferred direction. You can lose the ruck contest in such a manner that your opponent starts hitting the ball where you want it to go, all the time thinking they are winning!
It sure is LP.
What I have noticed since Kreuzer's return is that, while he may not win all ruck contests, most of his hitouts go to our advantage and rarely result in opposition clearances. Our failing is that we don't take full advantage of our good ruck and clearance work.
It sure is LP.
What I have noticed since Kreuzer's return is that, while he may not win all ruck contests, most of his hitouts go to our advantage and rarely result in opposition clearances. Our failing is that we don't take full advantage of our good ruck and clearance work.
Yep
Cripps still has a bit of work to do on his disposal.
It's an area where there is room for improvement.
By the time Kreuzer got back Gibbs was basically gone for the year.
If a player like Gibbs was working that second possession off the clearance we may be going better.
Unfortunately we may not get to see that Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy, Gibbs combination again
Instead we will see the Cripps, Murphy, Gibbs, Weitering, Scache combo. :D
I was happy with Laidley, but not so much with Buttifant. I don't think we were an exceptionally fit side this season. I will be interested to see if Bolton is the driving force to build a new group of assistants, or whether SOS will have his stamp on some potential changes with the club. Either way, changes gives us an opportunity to try something new.
I was happy with Laidley, but not so much with Buttifant. I don't think we were an exceptionally fit side this season. I will be interested to see if Bolton is the driving force to build a new group of assistants, or whether SOS will have his stamp on some potential changes with the club. Either way, changes gives us an opportunity to try something new.
Spot on.
What a waste of time and space Buttifant was. Bolts my man!
Happy to see Buttifant go. I dont know the guy but the story that Cripps sought his own running coach in the off season dismays me. The club should have been driving this via the head of fitness. Instead a 20 yer old player, albeit a highly driven one was doing his own thing. What exactly is the club doing in such a situation? Why pay a first round pick all that money and hope to resign him and then have him do his own thing? Because you were too lazy or incompetent to do it yourself. This is a good clue as to why our development is so poor. If cripps does this, how many other players are not pushing themselves in the off season. More than a few.
I dont get the impression many players had their own tailored programs in terms of running or technique. It all seemed very basic and sloppy, from the debacle of the first trip to Arizona where the weather was bad so they couldn't spend much time outdoors. Brilliant decision that one.
Thank God Buttifant is gone. So many fitness issues over the last 3 years.
Thank God Buttifant is gone. So many fitness issues over the last 3 years.
Been with us only 2 of those 3, just saying.
Bye bye Butterball. The less of Mick and Swann's men the better.
Bye bye Butterball. The less of Mick and Swann's men the better.
daisy next i hope
daisy next i hope
Oh, do you think he'll be on the trade table?.. ;) ::)
Oh, do you think he'll be on the trade table?.. ;) ::)
We would be paying half his wage at any new club he goes to!
Oh, do you think he'll be on the trade table?.. ;) ::)
Get him out of the joint
Get him out of the joint
But who will do the photo shoots for the Carlton shop?????
We would be paying half his wage at any new club he goes to!
And would be well worth it!
Rob Wiley to be announced as East Fremantle coach for next year
Rob Wiley to be announced as East Fremantle coach for next year
great
Rob Wiley to be announced as East Fremantle coach for next year
As Malthouse's self-picked right hand man, I couldn't see how he could possibly stay at the club. I'm not sure what he did but I know that his presence did nothing to stop our slide from middle six team to wooden spooners.
I wish him good luck in his new role but I'm glad he's gone.
Rob Wiley is a great development coach. But was one of Micks men and probably past the modern game. Goodbye and good luck.
Rob Wiley.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29315206/wiley-leads-race-to-coach-sharks/
Rob Wiley.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29315206/wiley-leads-race-to-coach-sharks/
So much for Wiley.
Next?
I do hope that Bolton has his team ready, as there will be plenty of spots to fill.
There will be plenty of aspiring, good assistants looking to learn the 'Hawthorn way'.
Robert Whiley anyone?
I went a bit early :o