Doesn't feel like we're playing for a finals birth but that's the reality of the situation. Win and we're in. I think we're a good chance with Port having nothing to play for.
Scum had nothing to play for either.
Doesn't feel like we're playing for a finals birth but that's the reality of the situation. Win and we're in. I think we're a good chance with Port having nothing to play for.
Last ever game at AAMI for them mate. Reckon they'll want to leave on a winning note. Favourites IMO.
Hopefully we will be fired up and keen to atone for last Sat, but even so I would tip Port unfortunately. A win for us would be a long shot.
I know some will feel that it doesn't matter how you get there as long as you do.
I don't reckon that we deserve to be there. Forget the Essendon saga, we haven't done enough to be there. Don't get me wrong, as much as the media are bunking up North Melbourne, either have they, and the other so called hopes, Crows, Lions and Eagles, deserve to be there even less than us.
Essendon will rightly get the Tijuana Brass because of their infractions. But they have been a better team than us all year.
For those who want to say, well that's coz of the drugs, I urge you to read Doctor Reids letter, which condemns in the strongest possible terms, Hirds use of these drugs, not only coz they may be illegal, but because they don't actually work. And he stresses that the use of the players own blood, which all clubs do, works a lot better.
WE have so many weaknesses in our team due to a lack of key position players, that in some ways, it's remarkable that we are where we are.
Another reason I don't want us in the finals, is because a clean out has been virtually promised by the Coach and CEO, and if we make the finals, albeit by default, that may cloud the issue and reduce the desire to get rid of the players that we know need to go.
If Essendon were stripped of points 2 or 3 months ago we would be 8th and no one would think anything of it. The AFL took their time to strip the points to avoid all the dead rubbers.
The team has to make a game of it, if anything for all the Blues supporters who live in Adelaide. their last showing against the Power at Aami was pathetic and embarassing. So they have to come to play just to atone for that performance.
Have taken my lad to 6 games so far and have only won one.
Show some heart, some pride for the jumper and your supporters >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I know some will feel that it doesn't matter how you get there as long as you do.
I don't reckon that we deserve to be there. Forget the Essendon saga, we haven't done enough to be there. Don't get me wrong, as much as the media are bunking up North Melbourne, either have they, and the other so called hopes, Crows, Lions and Eagles, deserve to be there even less than us.
Essendon will rightly get the Tijuana Brass because of their infractions. But they have been a better team than us all year.
For those who want to say, well that's coz of the drugs, I urge you to read Doctor Reids letter, which condemns in the strongest possible terms, Hirds use of these drugs, not only coz they may be illegal, but because they don't actually work[/size][/size]. And he stresses that the use of the players own blood, which all clubs do, works a lot better.
WE have so many weaknesses in our team due to a lack of key position players, that in some ways, it's remarkable that we are where we are.
Another reason I don't want us in the finals, is because a clean out has been virtually promised by the Coach and CEO, and if we make the finals, albeit by default, that may cloud the issue and reduce the desire to get rid of the players that we know need to go.
Placebo effect?
Players think they're getting stronger, work harder at the gym, think they're invincible on the field, etc, etc, etc.
How often do we say most of our player's problems are between the ears?
Always a tough game vs Port at home...think they will start favourites.....
For those who want to say, well that's coz of the drugs, I urge you to read Doctor Reids letter, which condemns in the strongest possible terms, Hirds use of these drugs, not only coz they may be illegal, but because they don't actually work. And he stresses that the use of the players own blood, which all clubs do, works a lot better.
There's a reason no documentation exists. If you believe all they took is AOD you are somewhat naive there Bignic.
Why would they take their players to secret locations to get injections that don't do anything?
Always a tough game vs Port at home...think they will start favourites.....
And they know they are playing finals so Hinkley will have them up and about after last weeks debacle. Big challenge for MM to get our boys firing at AAMI in a last round that may amount to nothing.
My 5 cents worth -
In's - Kruesrrr, AW, Garlett, Carcia
Out's - McClean (Inj), Scotland (Inj), Warnock, Joseph.
Thought Duigs at least had a crack, he should get another chance...
My 2 cents, heavy loss coming up and season over and done with (thank fark). I reckon Sat night killed their confidence and will be empty this week. Ins will be irrelavent. Norf will come over the top if they win coz of their %.
Port are going to want to win. why? Momentum and confidence going into the finals plus it's the last game at footy park.
If the Blue boys don't show up mentally, I agree it could get ugly. But knowing our inconsistent form we'll probably win this one. ::)
Thoughts from AFL site:-
CARLTON
The Blues are expected to be boosted by three key inclusions for their clash with Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium on Saturday. Ruckman Matthew Kreuzer (calf) and club champion fancy Andrew Walker (gastro) were late withdrawals for the clash with Essendon, while leading goalkicker Jeff Garlett (glute) is also expected to return after proving his fitness in the VFL. Others who could be promoted from the VFL include the versatile Jeremy Laidler, midfielders Dave Ellard, Kane Lucas, Rhys O’Keeffe and Jaryd Cachia. - Ben Collins
PORT ADELAIDE
Dom Cassisi could make his return from hamstring tightness this weekend as the Power aim to enter their finals campaign on a high. He's one of several players who will be assessed this week, including Cameron Hitchcock (hamstring) and John Butcher (hip). Paul Stewart (wrist) and Jack Hombsch (cheekbone) are also a chance, having recovered sooner than expected form their injuries. Ben Newton continued his solid SANFL form with 21 possessions and two goals, while Lewis Stevenson (28 disposals, one goal), Darren Pfeiffer (20, three goals) and Tom Clurey (21 possessions, 11 marks) were also impressive. - Harry Thring
Some interesting possible inclusions - maybe a few changes will be made but we need to be better with our goalkicking whoever comes in. ::)
My 2 cents, heavy loss coming up and season over and done with (thank fark). I reckon Sat night killed their confidence and will be empty this week. Ins will be irrelavent. Norf will come over the top if they win coz of their %.
If we lose I reckon North are morals they will throw everything at Collingwood.
North are bigger chokers than we are.
No one chokes like us. North will beat Collingwood if it matters, happy to take inflated odds from you if you think otherwise.
You obviously haven't watched much of North this year.
Seen enough to be convinced they are going places, unlike us.
They're the exact same as us. A close competitive loss for us is disgraceful but for them it's going places? Turn it up.
Walkers no certainty I reckon, I saw him yesterday and he looked extremely off colour to me the poor bugger.
They're the exact same as us. A close competitive loss for us is disgraceful but for them it's going places? Turn it up.
Have a crack with P2C and put your money where you mouth is then MBB.
Have you seen the way they play compared to us? LMAO. I dare say it's you who hasn't watched enough of them. I'll happily sit down and watch them play for enjoyment purposes, I watch us because we are Carlton, nothing more. In fact if I wasn't a Carlton man our side is the last side that I'd choose to watch play.
They've turned their compettitive losses into a couple of impressive wins in the second half of the year, we've just dropped off. So yes, our second half of the season has been disgraceful whereas they've shown, at least IMO, that they're going places.
They're the exact same as us. A close competitive loss for us is disgraceful but for them it's going places? Turn it up.
Have a crack with P2C and put your money where you mouth is then MBB.
No chance, the closest I'll get is another dismissive one liner. ;)
Thought this pic from todays training was amusing. I though we should probably start trying to kick them from directly in front first. ::)
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Have you seen the way they play compared to us? LMAO. I dare say it's you who hasn't watched enough of them. I'll happily sit down and watch them play for enjoyment purposes, I watch us because we are Carlton, nothing more. In fact if I wasn't a Carlton man our side is the last side that I'd choose to watch play.
They've turned their compettitive losses into a couple of impressive wins in the second half of the year, we've just dropped off. So yes, our second half of the season has been disgraceful whereas they've shown, at least IMO, that they're going places.
Its simple really, Norf will win because they have to, we will loose because we have to win. Its in our DNA.
It must have been nice weather in Carlton.
You know its nice when the boys are training outdoors.
They're the exact same as us. A close competitive loss for us is disgraceful but for them it's going places? Turn it up.
Have a crack with P2C and put your money where you mouth is then MBB.
Pretty sure the forum doesn't condone gambling as there was an issue with someone not paying up a few years ago. Seriously who in their right frame of mind would put money on North against anyone?
It must have been nice weather in Carlton.
You know its nice when the boys are training outdoors.
Yup, can't have the hair product ruined
:)
When's the last time we won our last game for the season?
2004 against the pies from memory.
All of a sudden Port have not much to play for this weekend, with EFC out and now sitting 7th they will rest players for sure despite the media statements to the contrary.
Dare to say it, must win game :-*
We're officially 8th now it seems so best we bring our best to the game. After last weeks effort I dare say they'll be contrite enough to put in as they did against Richmond following an insipid loss..
We'd have been ok already if McInnes had've marked instead of punched then compound it by near knocking Simmo our in the last minute. A draw would've been enough as Brisbane will get pumped by Geelong at Skilled Stadium..Been ok already too if we had kicked straight as well. Now we have to win as I reckon North are a good chance to roll the Pies.
We're officially 8th now it seems so best we bring our best to the game. After last weeks effort I dare say they'll be contrite enough to put in as they did against Richmond following an insipid loss..
We'd have been ok already if McInnes had've marked instead of punched...
and if my grandma had balls she be my grandpa.
They're the exact same as us. A close competitive loss for us is disgraceful but for them it's going places? Turn it up.
Have a crack with P2C and put your money where you mouth is then MBB.
Pretty sure the forum doesn't condone gambling as there was an issue with someone not paying up a few years ago. Seriously who in their right frame of mind would put money on North against anyone?
I backed them on the line against Hawthorn, Essendon and Geelong. Easy money TBH.
Sadly the getting the line doesn't always get you the 4 points.
Seriously Port are not that good. Stop 3 players and they come to a complete standstill
Boak - Curnow
Wingard - 2E
Harlett and he is suspended.
We lose this and we are as bad as melb.
We're officially 8th now it seems so best we bring our best to the game. After last weeks effort I dare say they'll be contrite enough to put in as they did against Richmond following an insipid loss..
We'd have been ok already if McInnes had've marked instead of punched...
and if my grandma had balls she be my grandpa.
Better you go see what your grandpa has. You all know we will lose this game because we need to win it to be certain. North will beat the Pies too just to ruin our year.
We're officially 8th now it seems so best we bring our best to the game. After last weeks effort I dare say they'll be contrite enough to put in as they did against Richmond following an insipid loss..
We'd have been ok already if McInnes had've marked instead of punched...
and if my grandma had balls she be my grandpa.
Better you go see what your grandpa has. You all know we will lose this game because we need to win it to be certain. North will beat the Pies too just to ruin our year.
And because we have the opportunity to rub salt into the scums wounds we will lose. FFS get Fraser Brown in the rooms pre-game and get in their faces!!
Hey, what would happen if we suddenly played to a well-thought-out game plan, and tenaciously hunted in packs to help and support each other, and kicked low, strong and precisely to leads, and kicked straight for goal, and .... (sigh),
... Ah, sorry, must have nodded off there for a moment
The season can't end soon enough for me
Kochy just attributed of Port's change in culture to Alan Richardson. He said Richardson and Hinkley and twice he mentioned Richardson first.
Kochy just attributed of Port's change in culture to Alan Richardson. He said Richardson and Hinkley and twice he mentioned Richardson first.
Richardson has always been the interesting one.. Him and MM dont get along but he was never credited with anything of note in his time with us.
Has a very good reputation but has missed out on so many top jobs
Bombers officially gone just now FFFS just win the Bloody game and give us supporters some respect.....MM will have the Red Pen out on plenty of careers(if not already decided)...if I see any guys peek or shirk it I don't care how big a name they are...trade them....we are lucky to have a true battle test on our B graders...lets see if they can step up....they served up a steamy turd last week...time for REDEMPTION!!!@!
Go Blues...love to screw up Tiges or Pies season.....Elim Final
A game full of interest for many reasons.
It is on their dung heap - good. More of a challenge for us, and we seem to be doing better on the road... it's just at home we seem to be terribly inconsistent.
A win assures us of a final... a loss and we wait on Rottingwood and the Kangabies Sunday game. If we lose to Pt. then we do not deserve to be anywhere near the finals.
Unfortunately, due to (if it happens) playing finals by default, it will have a 'unfairly lucky' stigma attached... we won't be taken seriously. Up to us to change that perception.
Hey, what would happen if we suddenly played to a well-thought-out game plan, and tenaciously hunted in packs to help and support each other, and kicked low, strong and precisely to leads, and kicked straight for goal, and .... (sigh),
... Ah, sorry, must have nodded off there for a moment
The season can't end soon enough for me
To be honest, I said some time back that we don't deserve to be in the finals. That is probably why we are still a chance.
We beat Port last time and got no kudos for it what so ever. Beat them this time, and maybe the scribes out there will realize that we are not as hopeless as they thought. I still don't think we deserve a spot: we've lost far too many games we should have won, but I won't cry if we win. >:D >:D >:D
Dammit I just realised, I wanna play finals. Richmond at the G on a Saturday afternoon in September, it was meant to be. Just win FFS.
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
I stand by my comments, our 8th place is short lived, Norf will win, we will lose.
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
I stand by my comments, our 8th place is short lived, Norf will win, we will lose.
^^^ I'm with this hot looking chick. ;)
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
If their motivation is to play for the supporters, we are in deep cr@p.
They must play for themselves, each other, excellence, success, passion for the contest, their coaches, the club... etc.
Playing for the supporters is PR / Marketing crud. So, if they lose to Pt does it mean they don't really value the supporters? Give me a break!!! No more spin, please.
TAB have the power at $1.80 and us at $2.00. They are not confident we will win either. ::)
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
I stand by my comments, our 8th place is short lived, Norf will win, we will lose.
^^^ I'm with this hot looking chick. ;)
:-[
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
If their motivation is to play for the supporters, we are in deep cr@p.
They must play for themselves, each other, excellence, success, passion for the contest, their coaches, the club... etc.
Playing for the supporters is PR / Marketing crud. So, if they lose to Pt does it mean they don't really value the supporters? Give me a break!!! No more spin, please.
AMEN BROTHER
CFC and MM just go over to Adelaide on Sat and WIN. When you've done that I'll be interested in what you've got to say. In the meantime STFU!! >:(
CFC and MM just go over to Adelaide on Sat and WIN. When you've done that I'll be interested in what you've got to say. In the meantime STFU!! >:(
Yep, if you can't walk the walk, STFU until you can.
Im not confident of a win. The equation of win and we are in lose and we are out doesnt sit well with me. I cant see North winning to be honest, if that match was at Etihad id say North would win but not this time.
There's something riding on this game now right?
Get out to a 4 goal lead... Port by 14 points.
No interest in this game whatsoever, pretty sure another loss is coming, hoping like hell the Roos get over the line, then the finals get interesting....and that's how it should be. Any other scenario (i.e. us participating in September) makes our elimination final a joke.
No interest in this game whatsoever, pretty sure another loss is coming, hoping like hell the Roos get over the line, then the finals get interesting....and that's how it should be. Any other scenario (i.e. us participating in September) makes our elimination final a joke.
Agree..even if we beat Port which I dont think we will, I think the Tigers will be fired up to knock us over and that humiliation I dont want to see...
We win, we play finals!
We don't deserve to be a chance - oh polease, we are, so put on your Carlton Guernsey and stop trying to be mr or mrs controversial's and barrack for your side FFS!
This is Mick's chance to pick the side to win and coach the side to win.
If he does, then some confidence in his ability restored, if he does not then I have no faith in the pr1ck moving forward!
The team better have a crack too! Once in a life time opportunity this one!
Go Blues!
No interest in this game whatsoever, pretty sure another loss is coming, hoping like hell the Roos get over the line, then the finals get interesting....and that's how it should be. Any other scenario (i.e. us participating in September) makes our elimination final a joke.
Why does North deserve the chance ahead of us. North made such a habit in choking in close games it almost made us look good, as that's really, really saying something. Not to mention the fact that we beat North too, On that count specifically your argument doesn't make sense. If we finish higher than North then we deserve to be there. Sure North supporters thoroughly think they deserve to make the finals with 10 wins. We finish "8th" we deserve to be there as we finished above all those other sides contending.
Never before has a team had a mulligan to get into the finals. Let's see if Murphy's comments about playing for the supporters is true.
If their motivation is to play for the supporters, we are in deep cr@p.
You can just imagine them thinking as they run out onto the field....."I'm going to do it for the supporters". ::) :D
Fk it I've seen one final live since 2002, one final! Chances are we won't see another one for a few years so fk it, this is a must win game and to play Bichmond on a Saturday arvo in front of 80k, hey I'm up for that. Must win game. I believe we can do it.
Destiny is now back in our hands.
No interest in this game whatsoever, pretty sure another loss is coming, hoping like hell the Roos get over the line, then the finals get interesting....and that's how it should be. Any other scenario (i.e. us participating in September) makes our elimination final a joke.
Why does North deserve the chance ahead of us. North made such a habit in choking in close games it almost made us look good, as that's really, really saying something. Not to mention the fact that we beat North too, On that count specifically your argument doesn't make sense. If we finish higher than North then we deserve to be there. Sure North supporters thoroughly think they deserve to make the finals with 10 wins. We finish "8th" we deserve to be there as we finished above all those other sides contending.
I must admit I read about "North being the best team outside the 8" with some disbelief. If they were so good, why did we beat them at our non preferred venue? Even when we didn't play all that well? We have also had a huge number of close losses and deserved to beat Hawthorn, Geelong, Essendon, Richmond and more.
What makes them more deserving than us?
I don't think we deserve to get in: too many times this year I have been disappointed at things that have nothing to do with talent. However, I couldn't even get close to arguing that North are more deserving than us. I would find it harder arguing for Brisbane or West Coast. There are reasons we all missed the finals and they won't go away just because Essendon have. Essendon have committed the greatest 'crime' in AFL history, and have been punished. Whether it is enough is a different question. But now it is our job to deal with the consequences. We will probably lose the final if we make it. So be it. If we get there, then, by definition, we are more deserving than those that failed. It is up to Carlton to show some intestinal fortitude and spirit, to put our best feet forward and make the most of an opportunity that hopefully will not happen again.
I'm trying to figure out why people think Norf deserve it more than us.
If we lose to port and they beat the pies then yes, they do
Right now we have as much claim to it as anyone else.
HTFU.
I'm trying to figure out why people think Norf deserve it more than us.
If we lose to port and they beat the pies then yes, they do
Right now we have as much claim to it as anyone else.
HTFU.
Exactly. We've had some terrible losses to Freo and the doggies but Freo smashed them too and they were given a touch up by the gold coast.
Had a rethink on this.
Eight teams are required to play the finals series, why shouldn't we be one of them - feck North!
This will be a real test of our team and coach and will really paint the picture as to where we currently stand and what we need to do in terms of drafting and trading. Bring it on!
>:(
Had a rethink on this.
Eight teams are required to play the finals series, why shouldn't we be one of them - feck North!
This will be a real test of our team and coach and will really paint the picture as to where we currently stand and what we need to do in terms of drafting and trading. Bring it on!
>:(
Time to see which of our guys actually have some cojones!
Special K and Garlett ins?
Another mid too for McLean?
I'm trying to figure out why people think Norf deserve it more than us.
If we lose to port and they beat the pies then yes, they do
Right now we have as much claim to it as anyone else.
HTFU.
People are haters. Unless you barrack for us, no one wants to see us make the finals. North are non-threatening. The kind of pathetic team you find it hard not to feel sorry for. Hence peoples preference for them to make it over us.
I would also give my left nipple to win the first week of the finals against either Richmond or Collingwood.
There's surely no chance of Richmond losing to the scum, therefore if we make the finals Richmond it will be.
There's surely no chance of Richmond losing to the scum, therefore if we make the finals Richmond it will be.
Richmond might rest half their side and hope the roos beat the pies so they can play Port rather than the blues or the roos who beat them last time out.
So, out of all of the wreckage and cr@p plus a "dead rubber", excitement and endless speculation can be generated! :))
Last ever game there at Football Park, it isn't going to be easy!
There's surely no chance of Richmond losing to the scum, therefore if we make the finals Richmond it will be.
Richmond might rest half their side and hope the roos beat the pies so they can play Port rather than the blues or the roos who beat them last time out.
You know what they say though, don't flirt with form, especially before the finals.
Agreed. Bombers tanked against the tigers in the last rd of 2001 to avoid playing us and then smashed them the following week. Lost the grand final though.
Pies lay down to Geelong in the last rd of 2011, lost to them in the grand final.
Fk it I've seen one final live since 2002, one final! Chances are we won't see another one for a few years so fk it, this is a must win game and to play Bichmond on a Saturday arvo in front of 80k, hey I'm up for that. Must win game. I believe we can do it.
For sure and I will be having a look around for where I chucked my membership after the Essendon game if we win but we all know this group. Nothing can be surer than a disappointing performance here.
Agreed. Bombers tanked against the tigers in the last rd and then smashed them the following week. Lost the grand final.
Pies lay down to Geelong in the last rd of 2011, lost to them in the grand final.
'94 :(
I was not confident of anything until last night. At the end of footy classified they all did their "predictions" for this weekend, and every single one of them between Caro, Lloyd, Lyon and Hutchy wrote us off.
That means we are destined to win. Why? Because no one thinks we will and are making the mistake of overating Port.
Hartlett is out, Wingard got subbed off with a groin injury, I reckon they are cooked, and North wont beat Collingwood.
So, my result is that this is the environment in which our boys come out and make a statement. Whatever happens, we will win this weekend. The following week, we are a chance to beat both Collingwood and Richmond, although Collingwood have lifted it a cog or two over the last four weeks, and will dispose of North quite easily I think.
The good thing is from now on we will be underdogs for however many weeks remain in our season... so the players won't get ahead of themselves and think its a shoe in.
I won't be attending though, too many other things on.
I was not confident of anything until last night. At the end of footy classified they all did their "predictions" for this weekend, and every single one of them between Caro, Lloyd, Lyon and Hutchy wrote us off.
That means we are destined to win. Why? Because no one thinks we will and are making the mistake of overating Port.
Hartlett is out, Wingard got subbed off with a groin injury, I reckon they are cooked, and North wont beat Collingwood.
So, my result is that this is the environment in which our boys come out and make a statement. Whatever happens, we will win this weekend. The following week, we are a chance to beat both Collingwood and Richmond, although Collingwood have lifted it a cog or two over the last four weeks, and will dispose of North quite easily I think.
Im with you, i think they have hit their wall and with out harlett it makes it much worse.
I think finishing 8 or 5 is the box seat in the bottom 4 of the 8 as you avoid potentially interstate. Massive Massive opportunity if they want to take it , get to the second week and at the least give it shake
Don't be disappointed if they disappoint - be pleased if they please! ;)
So out of all the crap in season 2013 comes opportunity. I had given away this season, after the loss the the dogs. However we are now in a position to take the opportunity handed to us and run with it.
I can think of no greater opportunity for the club to draw a line in the sand, put their heads down and get the job done in Adelaide. We are being tipped against left right and centre, we have injuries and poor form.
STAND UP, it begins here.
So out of all the crap in season 2013 comes opportunity. I had given away this season, after the loss the the dogs. However we are now in a position to take the opportunity handed to us and run with it.
I can think of no greater opportunity for the club to draw a line in the sand, put their heads down and get the job done in Adelaide. We are being tipped against left right and centre, we have injuries and poor form.
STAND UP, it begins here.
I can. Last Saturday night at the G was the ultimate line-in-the-sand opportunity. The boys sure did put their heads down... while they were bent over letting the Bummers have their way with us AGAIN. :-\
Who knows which Carlton will show up this week. Decent injury list and plenty of inexperienced players likely to be named means its impossible to know. Any odds on if Joseph and Duigan will get another game? Perhaps its time for MM to unleash Laidler ::)
There's surely no chance of Richmond losing to the scum, therefore if we make the finals Richmond it will be.
Richmond might rest half their side and hope the roos beat the pies so they can play Port rather than the blues or the roos who beat them last time out.
Be alot of incentive for Richmond to "tank" this week. Playing Port at home would be so better for the Tigers than playing North or Carlton.
There's surely no chance of Richmond losing to the scum, therefore if we make the finals Richmond it will be.
Richmond might rest half their side and hope the roos beat the pies so they can play Port rather than the blues or the roos who beat them last time out.
Be alot of incentive for Richmond to "tank" this week. Playing Port at home would be so better for the Tigers than playing North or Carlton.
This game is EFCs one and only final!
So out of all the crap in season 2013 comes opportunity. I had given away this season, after the loss the the dogs. However we are now in a position to take the opportunity handed to us and run with it.
I can think of no greater opportunity for the club to draw a line in the sand, put their heads down and get the job done in Adelaide. We are being tipped against left right and centre, we have injuries and poor form.
STAND UP, it begins here.
If nothing else, we are consitant and falling over when it counts most. Last week v the scum, we had to win and didnt. We will lose this week, nothing surer.
Another mid too for McLean?
Ellard. Surely.
Murphy is booked in for knee surgery on Monday but will obviously reschedule if we are still playing. Why do we play injured players and wreck their confidence??
Murphy is booked in for knee surgery on Monday but will obviously reschedule if we are still playing. Why do we play injured players and wreck their confidence??
The knee probably isn't getting better or worse without surgery and recovery time probably won't impact next preseason ans a half fit Murphy is better than a lot of our players. That would be my guess.
Another mid too for McLean?
Ellard. Surely.
When fit, I like the way he goes about it. Gives everything he's got.
Murphy is booked in for knee surgery on Monday but will obviously reschedule if we are still playing. Why do we play injured players and wreck their confidence??
Give him some credit, he will declare himself right to go, captains especially will always do that.
Ellard is a list clogger and we should have moved him on.....ok great battler but you cant send him out vs Mitchell, Swan, Jack, J .Selwood etc and expect to get a win...we have to get players on the list who have more upside than Ellard and can match it with the better players in the comp.
Its poor list management to hang onto players who wont challenge for your best 22.......you need 30 players who are senior 22 material...Ellard isnt one of them.
Be a mistake selecting any player this week who isn't going to be a part of our future unless absolutely forced to because of injury.
Ellard-Got to be kidding, will be gone by end of year back to WAFL...
Another mid too for McLean?
Ellard. Surely.
When fit, I like the way he goes about it. Gives everything he's got.
Tackling machine with plenty of ticker. I would expect him to get a crack at it elsewhere if moved on at years end.
Another mid too for McLean?
Ellard. Surely.
When fit, I like the way he goes about it. Gives everything he's got.
Tackling machine with plenty of ticker. I would expect him to get a crack at it elsewhere if moved on at years end.
Should be retained imo.
Goes hard, has ticker, knows where the goals are...
If Ellard played last week instead of Jospeh we would have won.
Another mid too for McLean?
Ellard. Surely.
Irish into the middle and O'Keeffe down back (if we can upgrade him).
We don't have the stomach to win everytime there's been a chance to make a statement improve our ladder position we fail miserably >:(
Woke up today positive...
So enough of the negativity...till after the game
CARN THE BLUES 8)
Ellard-Got to be kidding, will be gone by end of year back to WAFL...
I think Ellard was BOG by some margin in the VFL, in a very poor result for the NBs.
If a player puts in like that in a game when your team is being thrashed it makes you take notice. McLean did this for three years while the naysayers kept telling us he is too slow, cannot kick, past it! We have too many that surrender easily, I'd rather have a Ellard type for 22 games than say a player who gives up at a critical moment! If you want to know why Port are heading for finals, they have 22 good ordinary players who never give up!
But I do agree his future is looking cloudy.
Are we geared up, juiced, and enthusiastic for Port?
We have to win this one and win well. Let's say that Essendon with the axe poised had something to prove. In the stats they were ahead of us. But, it sad to have such a lead and let the game slip away.
Over to you Mick. Justify our trust!
Are we geared up, juiced, and enthusiastic for Port?
We have to win this one and win well. Let's say that Essendon with the axe poised had something to prove. In the stats they were ahead of us. But, it sad to have such a lead and let the game slip away.
Over to you Mick. Justify our trust!
Nup, you have us confused with the bombers mate!
LOL!
Just jokes... Have to laugh at it, as thats all there is left to do now.
The team has me bluffed Thryleon.
They work out a plan and execute it with dedication (for three quarters) and then, for no reason, they get run-down.
If they slipped into gear we will roll Port, and we will win at least the first week of the finals.
The Essendon loss was so disappointed. I hope the playing machine has the character to slip the brain into gear!
Im with you mate. I think we will win this week, but the following week is almost guaranteed a loss, as the energey required to get these guys to put in a win seems to take the wind out of the sails for the following week.
I wish I had confidence;
When we beat them at Etihad our top eleven statistically where;
Murphy
Robinson
Cachia
Lucas
Judd
Walker
Waite
Kreuzer
Bell
Henderson
McLean
Of that lot, out of those not injured, there isn't one player who is in sterling form. That is half the team!
There's only one player in our whole side who is in sterling form now! :P
Still reckon they will drop wingard. Keeping him in now to avoid media pressure about not playing best side methinks
In
David Ellard,
Matthew Kreuzer,
Andrew Walker,
Jeff Garlett
Out
Nick Duigan (Omitted),
Nick Graham (Omitted),
Brock McLean (Quad),
Aaron Joseph (Omitted)
CARLTON
B Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, Bryce Gibbs
C Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell
F Jeff Garlett, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
FOL Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts
I/C Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Troy Menzel, Jarrad Waite
EMG Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Kane Lucas
IN Andrew Walker, David Ellard, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett
OUT Brock McLean(Quad), Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Nick Graham
sorry to see NickG go, but there is enough talent there to blow Port away!
I don't rate Duigan but he was far from our worst.
Is Waite feeling alright, how many games is that in a row and he hasn't injured himself or got reported? ::)
Farewell game or chance to save his spot for Davey ellard?
I don't rate Duigan but he was far from our worst.
Which begs the question, why were he and Joseph played in the first place?
@PhillipW
Agree there is plenty of talent on that team sheet.
Is Waite feeling alright, how many games is that in a row and he hasn't injured himself or got reported? ::)
That would be because he's playing like a dog. As soon as he shows some form then the injury or report will re-surface. Not that we've got that many games left.
I don't rate Duigan but he was far from our worst.
Which begs the question, why were he and Joseph played in the first place?
Another MC mystery. I thought there would be less of these after Ratts departure.
Think we will win this one.
Is Waite feeling alright, how many games is that in a row and he hasn't injured himself or got reported? ::)
That would be because he's playing like a dog. As soon as he shows some form then the injury or report will re-surface. Not that we've got that many games left.
I was actually wondering whether he was injured or had a niggle. He hasn't been moving the best lately. If only we could get the best out of him for almost an entire season and have less gap between his great games, and his more ordinary efforts. Developing a player is not always getting far more performance from a player but also bridging the gap between a and b grade games they play.
Knowing Waite he will kick 8 in winning side and get rubbed out for the first final.
But seriously news just in Reiwoldt out with a serious back injury. Win this and perhaps the Reiwoldtless Tigers await us!
Duigs desperately unlucky. Showed he wasn't out of place last week. Ellard has probably taken his place looking at those ins and outs, and I would rate Duigan clearly ahead of Ellard, especially with the brutal attack on the ball Duigan showed last week, which is probably Ellard's forte.
CARLTON
B Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, Bryce Gibbs
C Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell
F Jeff Garlett, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
FOL Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts
I/C Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Troy Menzel, Jarrad Waite
EMG Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Kane Lucas
IN Andrew Walker, David Ellard, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett
OUT Brock McLean(Quad), Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Nick Graham
sorry to see NickG go, but there is enough talent there to blow Port away!
Talent doesnt always win you matches, our side it proof. Good aTEAMS always win matches. Port are a good TEAM and will win comfortably.
Farewell game or chance to save his spot for Davey ellard?
Nah, reckon Davey is one that Mick will keep.
Gives 100% every time and is a good soldier.
Well I hope so anyway.
Is Waite feeling alright, how many games is that in a row and he hasn't injured himself or got reported? ::)
SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
CARLTON
B Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, Bryce Gibbs
C Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell
F Jeff Garlett, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
FOL Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts
I/C Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Troy Menzel, Jarrad Waite
EMG Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Kane Lucas
IN Andrew Walker, David Ellard, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett
OUT Brock McLean(Quad), Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Nick Graham
sorry to see NickG go, but there is enough talent there to blow Port away!
Sadly, no opportunity for ROK... reckon that is papers stamped. Pt or Croweaters will pick him up.
CARLTON
B Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, Bryce Gibbs
C Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell
F Jeff Garlett, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
FOL Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts
I/C Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Troy Menzel, Jarrad Waite
EMG Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Kane Lucas
IN Andrew Walker, David Ellard, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett
OUT Brock McLean(Quad), Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Nick Graham
sorry to see NickG go, but there is enough talent there to blow Port away!
Sadly, no opportunity for ROK... reckon that is papers stamped. Pt or Croweaters will pick him up.
Why would you say that?
He's just strung ,what, 3 or four games for the season and been BOG once. Nick Graham played a lot more.
AAMI is a big ground, Port are a fit side, ROK is short of conditioning,MM is a conservative coach.
I reckon he's safe unless we do something VERY STUPID.
Damo reckons Jeffy missed last week for disciplinary reasons. Was meant to attend the game the week before, got to the ground, couldnt find a car park and went home.
CARLTON
B Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB Zach Tuohy, Andrew McInnes, Bryce Gibbs
C Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Tom Bell
F Jeff Garlett, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
FOL Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Eddie Betts
I/C Dennis Armfield, David Ellard, Troy Menzel, Jarrad Waite
EMG Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Kane Lucas
IN Andrew Walker, David Ellard, Matthew Kreuzer, Jeff Garlett
OUT Brock McLean(Quad), Nick Duigan, Aaron Joseph, Nick Graham
sorry to see NickG go, but there is enough talent there to blow Port away!
Sadly, no opportunity for ROK... reckon that is papers stamped. Pt or Croweaters will pick him up.
Why would you say that?
He's just strung ,what, 3 or four games for the season and been BOG once. Nick Graham played a lot more.
AAMI is a big ground, Port are a fit side, ROK is short of conditioning,MM is a conservative coach.
I reckon he's safe unless we do something VERY STUPID.
Man, I hope you're right. I thought he deserved an emergency gig for this week, at least. Again, I hope you're right.
Some good ins for us and Port probably not a full strength......we have no excuses...
Why did they drop Nick Graham ??
Why did they drop Nick Graham ??
Turned it over a fair bit vs Essendon and needs to pick up the pace of the game.....I'm all for playing kids and I like Graham as I think he can be a smart footballer along the lines of Dane Swan but
Port are very good around the ball and MM probably feels a player like Ellard who tackles well and can stick to a man is more value than Graham who doesnt have a defensive side to his game yet.
Walker is a big in and should allow Gibbs time on the ball and down forward....both Murphy and Gibbs have to step up and lead the team this week..
Agree about Nick Graham - looks skilled enough and should be OK next year but I think the AFL pace does worry him a bit atm - in fact I think he actually said on his interview a couple of weeks ago that he was surprised by it.
Ellard may now be retained for next year, but still could be used in a trade I guess. ROK definitely looks to be gone.
Robbo keeps his place - a bit surprising IMO - he was cr@p v. the Dons, obviously MM sees a role for him v. Port A.
Just no room for Duigs who I thought played OK last week.
Farewell game or chance to save his spot for Davey ellard?
Nah, reckon Davey is one that Mick will keep.
Gives 100% every time and is a good soldier.
Well I hope so anyway.
I agree with this, until his hamstring went ping he looked to be in the best 22 equation.
I hope thats not true about Jeff. Although they did mention a groin issue so it might just have been a precaution.
Why did they drop Nick Graham ??
Turned it over a fair bit vs Essendon and needs to pick up the pace of the game.....I'm all for playing kids and I like Graham as I think he can be a smart footballer along the lines of Dane Swan but
Port are very good around the ball and MM probably feels a player like Ellard who tackles well and can stick to a man is more value than Graham who doesnt have a defensive side to his game yet.
Walker is a big in and should allow Gibbs time on the ball and down forward....both Murphy and Gibbs have to step up and lead the team this week..
Exactly. Nick is very green... and was a little exposed in an NBs game when someone sat on him.
DaveyE is not super talented but has a big heart and an X factor.
I think he could keep on getting better and influential in tight play
DaveyE is not super talented but has a big heart and an X factor.
I think he could keep on getting better and influential in tight play
Knows where the goals are too - something 22 guys last week couldn't find!
Hey,
Are we Juiced-Up and ready to fire for the Port Game?
The whole AFL is depressed by Hird's Shame, we can make the finals by default, so Saturday is a do-or-die game!
I don't sense any great enthusiasm?
Win tomorrow, then next week, the season is an outrageous success !
And we could win next week, we play Richmond, we all-but beat them twice!
The following week, probably Hawthorn - love to see Brett Ratten's face when we toss them! And you know, there is a part of Brett's heart which would be elated!
The Blues have legs !!
Where is the enthusiasm - the Carlton website, is as dead as dead as usual! For heaven's sake, get rid of the Professionals and employ some outrageous blue hearted ratbags to run that site!
Hey,
Are we Juiced-Up and ready to fire for the Port Game?
The whole AFL is depressed by Hird's Shame, we can make the finals by default, so Saturday is a do-or-die game!
I don't sense any great enthusiasm?
Win tomorrow, then next week, the season is an outrageous success !
And we could win next week, we play Richmond, we all-but beat them twice!
The following week, probably Hawthorn - love to see Brett Ratten's face when we toss them! And you know, there is a part of Brett's heart which would be elated!
The Blues have legs !!
Where is the enthusiasm - the Carlton website, is as dead as dead as usual! For heaven's sake, get rid of the Professionals and employ some outrageous blue hearted ratbags to run that site!
Maybe even they have had their fingers burned once too often? ;)
Can not gauge if people her are tipping a win or a loss, looks like this team has finally made us all shy :)
We have a captain playing on one leg, Judd & Carrazzo in the stands, apart from Simmo & maybe Hendo no inform players and coach who has struggled to get the team up for "must win games. I can't tip a win, but so much want one, not for the finals but just for the team to show something :(
Can not gauge if people her are tipping a win or a loss, looks like this team has finally made us all shy :)
We have a captain playing on one leg, Judd & Carrazzo in the stands, apart from Simmo & maybe Hendo no inform players and coach who has struggled to get the team up for "must win games. I can't tip a win, but so much want one, not for the finals but just for the team to show something :(
Unfortunately for them this is as much of a "Must Win" as you can possibly get in a Home and Away game, only a final is bigger!
D Day folks. The 4 ins are all good and should bolster the team from last week that won 80% of the game, but couldn't kick straight.
I just want to have a crack at Richmond next week, just for the heck of it.
As usual, first 5 minutes will tell whether they are switched on or not.
Win by 13 points.
Port Adelaide's injury list as of Monday 26 August is:
Brad Ebert - corked buttock (available)
Cameron Hitchcock – hamstring (assess)
John Butcher – hip (assess)
Dom Cassisi – hamstring tightness (assess)
Paul Stewart – wrist (assess)
Jack Hombsch – cheek (assess)
Jarrad Redden – hip (season)
Hartlett also suspended......
Fopr this match
IN
Tom Logan, Lewis Stevenson, Jack Hombsch, Domenic Cassisi
OUT
Alipate Carlile (Back), Jake Neade (Omitted), Campbell Heath (Omitted), Kane Mitchell (Back)
Carlile a big out, Cassisi must be considered as such - has had numerous 'old player' injuries this year.
Homsch with a cheek (like Murphy's?) could b very uncertain after being listed out for 2-3 weeks back on the 19th.....
Bookies?
Port 1.88, Blues 1.96
Open game.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2013/23/port-v-carl (http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2013/23/port-v-carl)
We need our guns to step up and play today:
Betts, Garlett, Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murph, Jamo, Walker and Hendo
(also Yarran, Simmo, Robbo)
These guys turn up - we win comfortably - 35+
Otherwise it will go to the wire.
I don't think Port have the artillery to blow us out of the water.
Thisd season averaging 93 points a game - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-port-adelaide-power)
K. Cornes still their go to man.
Blues average 96 points a game - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-carlton-blues (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/th-carlton-blues)
Overall comparison:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_team_comparison?team1_id=14&team2_id=4 (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_team_comparison?team1_id=14&team2_id=4)
@FB77
Agree, Carlisle is big out for them and we have some very handy ins.
If we turn up we do have an excellent show today - but it's a massive IF.
I hope we build up an unassailable lead early so I can enjoy watching the rest of the game. I've had a gutfull of close finishes.
They don't have much to play for - other than health
I say hit them hard early, they'll naturally retreat for this reason alone
They don't have much to play for - other than health
I say hit them hard early, they'll naturally retreat for this reason alone
I thought this as well but.............
Last game at AAMI and it's the first time PA get to wear traditional jumper.
They will not roll over and we don't scare many.
If the game was in Melbourne I'd be a lot more positive but playing over there in front of a huge pro-Port crowd urging them on doesn't give me a stack of confidence.
They have had a remarkable season turning around their club both on & off the field and I dare say they will not want to stumble at the last hurdle and will be throwing everything possible at us.
We have shown to be vulnerable under immense physical & mental pressure so that is the one thing Hinkley will be telling them to target us with.
This isn't the last hurdle for them though Sheik, it's a warm up for the last hurdle. We can bolt early and catch them off guard.
Fast start? Pfft, a fast hard finish irrespective of the score would be farken nice. Not a snow balls chance in hell.
A good 5 goal lead at half time then drop 2 behind the play. Hendo at FF with two of Yarran, Betts, Garlett and Armfield at the 50. Clear the ball from defense to the runners on the lead, if no clear kick then a chaos ball to the HFF flank.
Ball side swarms and the "weakside" moves across to cover the turnover.
Henderson left one out inside 30 with the 2 smalls running front & square and a wall built by the HFs and mids a kick behind.
Mick give me a call I've got more. ;)
The minute MM said "We Owned Eighth" we were forked!
I have never seen a club get so far ahead of itself, we did it before we played the Scum, and we are doing it again!
Too many top draft picks, too many fat heads!
Brisbane ahead of Geelong by two goals right at this moment!
Saints thrashing Freo.
North playing Collingwood tomorrow.
Clubs secure in the eight with nothing to play for!
The minute MM said "We Owned Eighth" we were forked!
I have never seen a club get so far ahead of itself, we did it before we played the Scum, and we are doing it again!
Too many top draft picks, too many fat heads!
Brisbane ahead of Geelong by two goals right at this moment!
What you say is spot on, I dont know how else to put this but for so many reasons, this current side (after this years performance) disgusts me.
anyone have a live strea,m?
The minute MM said "We Owned Eighth" we were forked!
I have never seen a club get so far ahead of itself, we did it before we played the Scum, and we are doing it again!
Too many top draft picks, too many fat heads!
Brisbane ahead of Geelong by two goals right at this moment!
What you say is spot on, I dont know how else to put this but for so many reasons, this current side (after this years performance) disgusts me.
Everybody blamed Ratten last year after Sticks issued that finals expectation statement, this year MM said the same thing, yet the season indicates we are far from it.
Retrospectively Ratten wasn't the problem, MM has caught the disease and the problem still persists.
We are not serious as an AFL concern. We are just a club that is fully influenced by it rich supporters who use us as their weekend hobby. A team full of downhill skiers, private trainers, professional dinner guests and fashion accessories.
Until we find a few blokes who think winning is the only thing keeping the food on their plate we are forked!
The minute MM said "We Owned Eighth" we were forked!
I have never seen a club get so far ahead of itself, we did it before we played the Scum, and we are doing it again!
Too many top draft picks, too many fat heads!
Brisbane ahead of Geelong by two goals right at this moment!
What you say is spot on, I dont know how else to put this but for so many reasons, this current side (after this years performance) disgusts me.
Everybody blamed Ratten last year after Sticks issued that finals expectation statement, this year MM said the same thing, yet the season indicates we are far from it.
Retrospectively Ratten wasn't the problem, MM has caught the disease and the problem still persists.
We are not serious as an AFL concern. We are just a club that is fully influenced by it rich supporters who use us as their weekend hobby. A team full of downhill skiers, private trainers, professional dinner guests and fashion accessories.
Sad but very true
Sad but very true
Port are likely to smash us today, for them it is either keep winning or go and work in a SA sausage factory! They understand desperate, they understand all or nothing, they understand there may be no second chances!
Our guys give me the impression they think if it doesn't work out a nice spa and bottle of bubbly will make it all better!
been busy, getting the pitch fork grinder warmed up. There will be hell to pay if we do not win this
anyone have a live strea,m?
got a pond -bigpond
anyone have a live strea,m?
got a pond -bigpond
pay to watch tv - na
anyone have a live strea,m?
got a pond -bigpond
pay to watch tv - na
I think its been said before on here- sportlemon.tv
not sure if it still works
anyone have a live strea,m?
got a pond -bigpond
pay to watch tv - na
I think its been said before on here- sportlemon.tv
not sure if it still works
thank you kind sir!
Duigan is sub! I thought he was emergency who didn't make it??
Frrrk just read Scotto's out. We definitely gone :-[
Scotto out, Duigs in
The AFL at stoopid. You don't reckon the jumpers clash Vlad??
W'ere not on
W'ere not on
Are you taking the piss?
I thought we might lose this one, but I never thought we would do our best to boost Ports percentage!