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Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #45
Spin doctoring?  You’re having a laugh 🤣

The point of referencing Mimi’s comments is that, unlike Breann, she knew exactly why players left.

As for apples and oranges, think about the population of Queensland and the women’s footy participation rate.  A “state of origin” team with an extremely limited talent pool!

Brisbane lost 16 players mainly because of the AFL’s desire to expand the comp.  We lost 7 for the same reasons, despite Breann’s naïve comments.
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Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #46
Spin doctoring?  You’re having a laugh 🤣

The point of referencing Mimi’s comments is that, unlike Breann, she knew exactly why players left.

As for apples and oranges, think about the population of Queensland and the women’s footy participation rate.  A “state of origin” team with an extremely limited talent pool!

Brisbane lost 16 players mainly because of the AFL’s desire to expand the comp.  We lost 7 for the same reasons, despite Breann’s naïve comments.

Remind me, who did Brisbane lose?
Who did we lose?

Guaranteed our 7 has more talent than their 16.

Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #47
The way the competition was set up,
The way the expansion was handled,
The lack of history and tradition,
The initial movement of players leading to a lack of bonding,
The less than fully professional nature of the competition,

...all meant that there was always going to be a large number of players changing clubs

We can't look at this competition and think that an AFLW team can mirror its AFL counterpart with over 100 years of history and tradition.
When a young male player comes to Carlton he's surrounded by a group of experienced players. Those players were influenced by a group that came before them and so on... back to formation.
What does the young female player experience...pretty much, so far, a lack of stability and an everchanging player group.
A male player may move for extra money, or opportunity.
A female player may be influenced, and move, because...a friend moves, it's a team she supported as a youngster.

What the competition needs is ...'Time'
Now the teams are sorted, and all in line, expect the movement of players to settle.
As the wages increase, players spend more time together, they bond, they develop a culture and a history, and the competition becomes more professional...the reasons for movements will change.

But don't expect that to happen in a year or two, it will get better, but it's probably a 'next generation' ideal.

Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #48
What the competition needs is ...'Time'
Personally, my conviction remains that the AFLW needs to develop it's own game style and tactics that suit the player physiology. At the moment it's still full of competitors that want to copy the men, and that is never going to work long term because it consigns AFLW to be a B-Grade version of AFL. If minority politics win and it goes the AFL imitation way it's long term fate is sealed and aligned to competitions like the VFL.

In my opinion the AFLW needs to look towards Gaelic footy and develop a much more frenetic style of game that is less dependant on physicality, collisions and tackling with more emphasis on speed of ball movement and swarming tactics.

Secondly, it has to start appealing to a wider subset of the segment it represents, at the moment it's a niche product largely supported and sponsored by niche sectors. That also has to change, if it doesn't then it's going to place another artificial cap on the potential for broad AFLW growth.
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Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #49
The way the competition was set up,
The way the expansion was handled,
The lack of history and tradition,
The initial movement of players leading to a lack of bonding,
The less than fully professional nature of the competition,

...all meant that there was always going to be a large number of players changing clubs

We can't look at this competition and think that an AFLW team can mirror its AFL counterpart with over 100 years of history and tradition.
When a young male player comes to Carlton he's surrounded by a group of experienced players. Those players were influenced by a group that came before them and so on... back to formation.
What does the young female player experience...pretty much, so far, a lack of stability and an everchanging player group.
A male player may move for extra money, or opportunity.
A female player may be influenced, and move, because...a friend moves, it's a team she supported as a youngster.

What the competition needs is ...'Time'
Now the teams are sorted, and all in line, expect the movement of players to settle.
As the wages increase, players spend more time together, they bond, they develop a culture and a history, and the competition becomes more professional...the reasons for movements will change.

But don't expect that to happen in a year or two, it will get better, but it's probably a 'next generation' ideal.

Thats my point though Lods.

If you know why players are going, then you can put things in place to prevent that eventuality.  Some of this is purely asking the question.  Groups usually become tight, and then you don't want to leave your mates to play with others.  In Taylah Harris case, she helped pioneer the game through the initial bulldogs and demons matches, that raised the bar so to speak, so that was always going to be a bouncing ball.

What else can we do, to prevent these things from occurring?  Can we put something in place?  From all reports, Harf was doing a decent job, and the ladies were growing in leadership ability on the field.  In 2020, we went to a prelim, which was cancelled due to covid.  In our semi final against Brisbane here is the leadership group:

Coach: Daniel Harford
Captain(s): Kerryn Harrington, Katie Loynes
Leadership Group: Alison Downie, Sarah Hosking, Nicola Stevens

All of them are gone. Is this common?  Are we alone?  In that semi final, we belted Brisbane, 44 to 15, and were going to face off against North Melbourne who narrowly beat Collingwood by 2 points before the match was cancelled.  North's leadership group contained:
Coach: Scott Gowans
Captain: Emma Kearney    
Leadership Group:Jasmine Garner, Emma King, Brittany Gibson (delisted at the end of 2022 season). 

They all still appear to be there except the coach has gone to coach Sydney. 

The thing is, the players were already starting to change colours before this.  Breanna Davey left us to become part of the leadership group at Collingwood as an example, and she was a loss on the field, that was capable of being covered but not that well initially.
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Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #50
Thats my point though Lods.

If you know why players are going, then you can put things in place to prevent that eventuality.  Some of this is purely asking the question.  Groups usually become tight, and then you don't want to leave your mates to play with others.  In Taylah Harris case, she helped pioneer the game through the initial bulldogs and demons matches, that raised the bar so to speak, so that was always going to be a bouncing ball.

What else can we do, to prevent these things from occurring?  Can we put something in place?  From all reports, Harf was doing a decent job, and the ladies were growing in leadership ability on the field.  In 2020, we went to a prelim, which was cancelled due to covid.  In our semi final against Brisbane here is the leadership group:

Coach: Daniel Harford
Captain(s): Kerryn Harrington, Katie Loynes
Leadership Group: Alison Downie, Sarah Hosking, Nicola Stevens

All of them are gone. Is this common?  Are we alone?  In that semi final, we belted Brisbane, 44 to 15, and were going to face off against North Melbourne who narrowly beat Collingwood by 2 points before the match was cancelled.  North's leadership group contained:
Coach: Scott Gowans
Captain: Emma Kearney    
Leadership Group:Jasmine Garner, Emma King, Brittany Gibson (delisted at the end of 2022 season). 

They all still appear to be there except the coach has gone to coach Sydney. 

The thing is, the players were already starting to change colours before this.  Breanna Davey left us to become part of the leadership group at Collingwood as an example, and she was a loss on the field, that was capable of being covered but not that well initially.

Kez is still our captain!

Katie Loynes and Alison Downie have retired.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #51
Katie Loynes and Alison Downie have retired.
...after being shipped off elsewhere.

Stevens and Sarah Hosking have left of their own accord.

1 out of 6 ain't bad?

Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #52
Personally, my conviction remains that the AFLW needs to develop it's own game style and tactics that suit the player physiology. At the moment it's still full of competitors that want to copy the men, and that is never going to work long term because it consigns AFLW to be a B-Grade version of AFL. If minority politics win and it goes the AFL imitation way it's long term fate is sealed and aligned to competitions like the VFL.

In my opinion the AFLW needs to look towards Gaelic footy and develop a much more frenetic style of game that is less dependant on physicality, collisions and tackling with more emphasis on speed of ball movement and swarming tactics.

Secondly, it has to start appealing to a wider subset of the segment it represents, at the moment it's a niche product largely supported and sponsored by niche sectors. That also has to change, if it doesn't then it's going to place another artificial cap on the potential for broad AFLW growth.

Firstly, you keep spruiking this alternate game style. You've suggested this multiple times.

It is!

There is a different number of players on the ground.
There are different rules with the ball going over the boundary.
There are different rules with length of game, size of ball, number of rotations, numbers on the bench etc etc.

Secondly,
The number of girls playing the game now, at junior levels, compared to 10 years ago is night and day.
Wait for these kids to get to AFL level, the quality will improve the sponsors will come.

Re: AFLW Season 8 - 2023

Reply #53
Prespakis didn't get off when she played for us, what a surprise.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?