And the winner is _____________.
Winner is Carlton , back to back first time for 2 yrs
Well, a win’s a win. Not very convincing but good for the youngsters to get in the habit. Smashed out of the middle and please don’t quote centre clearance stats.
GC kept coming once we let them get a sniff.
Love the way Brodie plays. He'd look good in Navy..
Congratulations to Teague and the boys.
I felt like we were going to get over run at times. We seemed to lose focus for periods. I guess it'll take a while for that confidence to return ????.
Credit to our boys though. They stuck at it and had some brilliant passages of play.
Jonesy looked out of sorts 1st game back. Back to his courageous interceptor best this week. Our seniors are showing real leadership and getting plenty of the ball.
Deluca looked cooked at times but his skill is evident. Good debut and a nice goal. Welcome Josh.
4 more points on the board. I'll take that.
After my commitments at our racewalking club I decided to watch the last half. An hour or so of my life I won't get back. 15 min of ourstanding football, great skills then 20 min of bludging and crap, poor skills and workrate. Then a last qtr where we did enough to stop them scoring while not doing much ourselves.
Nothing a killer instinct won't fix. Could've won by whatever we wanted but "chose" to win by 4 goals....grrrr. Easiest 4 goal win ever.
I'm happy with that.
It wasn't flash, but as a few folks in the pre match thread pointed out that this was a different kind of test for coach and players we came out of it OK.
For a change we went in favourites. the team we were playing have been embarrassed the last couple of games but as expected they brought a much better effort to the contest today.
Near enough to a certainty as you're ever going to see, other mob are playing for a PP.
How long till Lukosious walks out and heads to SA?
Bit quiet on here?
Four from six........
Bit quiet on here?
I guess the win was a bit "like dancing with your sister"
I still maintain the Suns are a failed experiment. As for us. it makes me wonder if we eased up a bit for next week.
Our % would be in the 90s save for some shocking blowouts
Happy to take the win as I wasn't as confident as most that it would be an easy kill.
Was at the game and there were periods where we were allowed a lot of space and time, would have loved to pile on kick 5 goals in a hurry as good teams do. Nevertheless we always had their measure and there were some promising signs.
We are no longer a one man team and can win when Cripps doesn't play a blinder. Our defence is bloody solid and Jones and Weitering are rocks down back. Great to see blokes like Ed, Murphy and Thomas in such consistent form. Kennedy finally looking like he belongs - may have found a spot as medium goal kicking forward.
SPS second quarter was A grade standard and Walsh is some sort of footballer. Cant wait to watch this bloke as he gets more games under his belt.
Cas is in career best form and Jack is underrated as a utility. He is more then handy as a part time mid and gives us real grunt when Cripps is being held. It took a while but I'm now a fan and hope all supporters accept this kid now!
Will need to play better against Crows to get the points. Hopefully Charlie returns.
We were horrible for 90% of the game, really, really horrible - soft, lazy, unaccountable, bereft of skill.
Almost to a player.
The other 10% - good stuff.
Glad my two little ones experienced a win at their first big league game!
Was at the game and was expecting a 10 goal win. We got 6 goals up and i thought we were on track. Then we just about stopped. We were on 99 points halfway through the last....and were still on 99 points at the siren.
Not sure when the last time we played bad and won was, but we were lucky the opposition was Gold Coast because any other team would've seen an 'L' today.
Boys look absolutely stuffed at the end. Siren went and players just slumped to the ground.
I picked 1 matchup that was crucial in the pre-game, and unfortunately it was one we lost. Witts vs Kreuzer. Only 1 player wearing navy blue had a worse supercoach score today and it was the debutant we picked up in the mid season draft - Deluca...and i think he did well.
Unfortunately Cripps was 3rd worst in terms of supercoach scores and continues to hobble around. Looked to have hurt his ankle or something at some stage but tried to soldier on. I'm worried for him.
In other news, heard Goddard speak at the pre-match, reckons he could be 1-2 weeks away and its just up to him to declare himself fit really. Still sporting stitches in the side of his head, and a swollen jaw, but should be back in business soon.
If mckay was fit I'll go he.
Couldn't kick it over a jam tin, and hobbled around.
We were horrible for 90% of the game, really, really horrible - soft, lazy, unaccountable, bereft of skill.
Almost to a player.
The other 10% - good stuff.
Glad my two little ones experienced a win at their first big league game!
Agree with this. I actually enjoyed the Collingwood loss earlier in the year more because we played better that day.
The side looked a little bit VFLish and played that way - we lack foot speed across the ground and desperately needed a spark that Cunningham, Williamson, Docherty, Curnow, Dow can all provide. desperate for a couple of these to come in plus CCurnow.
Plowman again the chief turnover culprit in defence.
Umpiring was atrocious today. I’ve been keeping a close eye on umpire no.26 across a few games and he simply will not award a kick to Carlton unless somebody is decapitated. It’s happened repeatedly and needs to be raised with the AFL.
Boys look absolutely stuffed at the end. Siren went and players just slumped to the ground.
Simpson was done like a dinner
DeLuca looked to be struggling half way through....bent over on the boundary line catching his breath.
Obviously a step-up.
Must have been a demanding game in terms of running.
We were horrible for 90% of the game, really, really horrible - soft, lazy, unaccountable, bereft of skill.
Almost to a player.
The other 10% - good stuff.
Glad my two little ones experienced a win at their first big league game!
We looked like the arrogant Carlton teams of the 80s. Did what had to do when we had to do it. Got 7 goals up and just went through the motions. When we did turn it on we were classes above. Could've won by 12, won by 4. Last 45 min was enough to drive one crazy. First 15 min the 3rd qtr, just outstanding, after that, blah. Never going to lose. Like I said, easiest 4 goal win ever.
Next thing to develop........a killer instinct!
Glad deLuca kicked the ball straight a few times.
The other lefties - LOB and big H - were simply f...n disgraceful with their kicking.
I'd be demanding they send half their match fee to a local charity.
Zero wind, zero moisture etc. - perfect conditions, yet.....
Pies smashed by 47.
Good day all round!
ps though Weiters, Jones and Plow were good given the ease with which we let them run through the middle....and the way in which they smashed us at centre clearances.....
How close were we to being undefeated under Teague.
ps though Weiters, Jones and Plow were good given the ease with which we let them run through the middle....and the way in which they smashed us at centre clearances.....
Agree.
Someone was potting Plowman earlier, but from what i saw he cut off way more passes than he handed back to the opposition. If everyone can cut off more than they give up, we win every game!
Not sure if Lang got a knock today or if its just him, but i was watching him run onto the ground in the 3rd/4th quarter after an interchange and he looked very sore and/or very slow. He looked like he was going for a half decent jog to come on, and someone else came on a few seconds later (Setterfield?) and despite putting in a lot less effort in his jog, caught up and passed Lang like he was Usain Bolt.
Lang was making Brock McLean look like Michael Long.
For our sake i hope he was just a bit sore, otherwise he's the slowest player on our list...and by some margin.
Ho hum, another win, getting boring and what cr@p they dished up! ::)
I don't care how we do it as long as we win. We are a bit rusty in this dept so we have to wait a bit longer for a real %age booster.
I wonder if the cheer squad will get another 'please explain' after chanting "The umpire's a wanker" in the last quarter.
Its true though, he was.
Weitering, Harry, Levi and Jones 41 marks between them, all in the double figures.
I wonder if the cheer squad will get another 'please explain' after chanting "The umpire's a wanker" in the last quarter.
Its true though, he was.
I heard that from the top deck.
I wonder if the cheer squad will get another 'please explain' after chanting "The umpire's a wanker" in the last quarter.
Its true though, he was.
The umps played their hearts out trying to keep the Suns in the game at times.
Umpiring was atrocious today. I’ve been keeping a close eye on umpire no.26 across a few games and he simply will not award a kick to Carlton unless somebody is decapitated. It’s happened repeatedly and needs to be raised with the AFL.
Such a fascinating and unique aspect of our game. In the third q there were 4 consecutive decisions which were plain wrong. 2 went against us and 2 were incorrectly awarded to the Suns. The sequence started when one of their players was caught in a brilliant tackle and dropped the ball yet the closest umpire called play on. The ball travelled to their end of the ground where a less obvious case of “incorrect disposal” was awarded against us in their goalsquare. From the 4 decisions they scored 2 goals and the momentum of the game had shifted.
Yet the guy I was with was a neutral supporter who was bemused by the anger and vitriol directed at the umpires. He seriously thought there was nothing untoward and, if anything, the Blues were getting the rub of the green!
He left early in the last so I didn’t get his take on the way Murph was held without the ball. I suspect he would have just laughed and told me I was biased and blind.
Maybe it’s impossible to be neutral if you’re NOT a Carlton supporter? Maybe he hates Carlton as much as umpire no. 26?
Was at the game and tale of two types of game - tearing hair out and ecstatic!
Umpiring really pissed me off - literally what was happening for them getting paid was not getting paid for us. Quite a few times over. Extremely frustrating.
Boys looked extremely lethargic end of third and fourth - where’s our awesome fitness guy? Or else the Syd game really smashed them?
An ugly win's better than a pretty loss, and it wasn't the strongest side we can put on the park anyway.
It was almost painful to watch at times, the only thing more painful than the football were the umpires.
I rarely bag umpires but today's was one of the most inept displays I've seen for years, an outrageously soft free paid one minute then a glaring one missed the next, those blokes should be doing Mortlake/Dimboola next week.
Adelaide next week and their season is sputtering along, another chance for Teague to nail down the job.
Ho hum, another win, getting boring and what cr@p they dished up! ::)
I don't care how we do it as long as we win. We are a bit rusty in this dept so we have to wait a bit longer for a real %age booster.
I'm with you cookie. There was more passion and interest after our last game against GC.
Fascinating.
Perhaps folks can see todays ugly, horrible, disgraceful, lazy.... win like this. We've got training wheels on when it comes to winning. Our boys are still learning the skill????
Why are some unhappy with the win today and seem to think we underperformed....maybe the last 6 weeks has clouded your judgement. We have been a basket case and If I said to you after the Essendon debacle we would change coaches and win 4 of the next 6 and with a bit of luck might have won all 6, you would ask me what I'm smoking. Yet now it seems we are supposed to perform like a top 4 outfit.
Harry's kicking was bad today but his tackling and efforts to work his arse off when Suns had the ball didn't go unnoticed by me. His kicking has gone since his had the groin injury - im guessing it has effecting his action.....oh and im pretty sure he is was our key forward today and is yet to notch up 30 games.
We are sitting 16th are slowly building a competetive list and have a tonne of young talent which are still learning their craft and should when it clicks propel us up the ladder but we still need time.
So when critiquing don't lose sight of that.
No wonder the board lights up after a loss. Not a lot of praise going on here. Looking at the champion stats, 17 players got over 70 points and there are a few clustered ranges, which shows a really even effort.
Laj, I understand you don't like LOB in the team, but please acknowledge his kick to Setterfield for our first goal. There was another that I recall thinking great kick... he looks as if he is gaining confidence and being a part of hardball chains. His kicks that go out of bounds on the full are obviously no good!
It is great that we didn't fall into being reliant on Crippa and that others stepped in and up. Defense was really solid and we managed to keep the ball in our forward half for longer periods.
Good signs.
No wonder the board lights up after a loss. Not a lot of praise going on here. Looking at the champion stats, 17 players got over 70 points and there are a few clustered ranges, which shows a really even effort.
Laj, I understand you don't like LOB in the team, but please acknowledge his kick to Setterfield for our first goal. There was another that I recall thinking great kick... he looks as if he is gaining confidence and being a part of hardball chains. His kicks that go out of bounds on the full are obviously no good!
It is great that we didn't fall into being reliant on Crippa and that others stepped in and up. Defense was really solid and we managed to keep the ball in our forward half for longer periods.
Good signs.
Huh?
Was at the game and was expecting a 10 goal win. We got 6 goals up and i thought we were on track. Then we just about stopped. We were on 99 points halfway through the last....and were still on 99 points at the siren.
Not sure when the last time we played bad and won was, but we were lucky the opposition was Gold Coast because any other team would've seen an 'L' today.
Boys look absolutely stuffed at the end. Siren went and players just slumped to the ground.
I picked 1 matchup that was crucial in the pre-game, and unfortunately it was one we lost. Witts vs Kreuzer. Only 1 player wearing navy blue had a worse supercoach score today and it was the debutant we picked up in the mid season draft - Deluca...and i think he did well.
Unfortunately Cripps was 3rd worst in terms of supercoach scores and continues to hobble around. Looked to have hurt his ankle or something at some stage but tried to soldier on. I'm worried for him.
In other news, heard Goddard speak at the pre-match, reckons he could be 1-2 weeks away and its just up to him to declare himself fit really. Still sporting stitches in the side of his head, and a swollen jaw, but should be back in business soon.
How refreshing that we can be dissatisfied with a WIN!
That didn't take long.
I was thinking...
A) We had an extreme match last week where everyone threw themselves at every contest for the game - interstate.
B) You can only beat the opposition you have in front of you. Sometimes the level gets dragged down by a poor opposition.
C) I honestly think we'll beat Adelaide by more next week.
How refreshing that we can be dissatisfied with a WIN!
That didn't take long.
I was thinking...
A) We had an extreme match last week where everyone threw themselves at every contest for the game - interstate.
B) You can only beat the opposition you have in front of you. Sometimes the level gets dragged down by a poor opposition.
C) I honestly think we'll beat Adelaide by more next week.
Just like getting that 80s feel again...haha.
Har it’s funny isn’t it.
We were crying for any won and now lamenting it wasn’t more than 4 goals.
I think because we were 6-7 goals up and it felt like we could finally go on with it and smash a team, and it didn’t happen and at times almost felt like we were going to lose it! Thank god we didn’t, I think the CFC would’ve torn the place down!
I love cripps but did anyone find he was a bit selfish on a few occasions and turned the ball over? Couldn’t understand why he did that?
Har it’s funny isn’t it.
We were crying for any won and now lamenting it wasn’t more than 4 goals.
I think because we were 6-7 goals up and it felt like we could finally go on with it and smash a team, and it didn’t happen and at times almost felt like we were going to lose it! Thank god we didn’t, I think the CFC would’ve torn the place down!
I was all but certain we would fold once it got to 18 odd early in the last. I think Big H kicked that lucky goal then and that was about that....
As plenty have said, far from pretty but you'll take the win.
Now for the Crows and to overhaul the Saints on the ladder....
I love cripps but did anyone find he was a bit selfish on a few occasions and turned the ball over? Couldn’t understand why he did that?
yep, tried to do too much on his pat quite a few times today....
Why weren’t any 50m’s called when we continually got dumped after taking marks? Is it not a thing any more, like incorrect disposal?
Feel the umpiring was like being handicapped in a two horse race. I think we get the worse umpires every week because our games don’t matter. 17th vs 18th we must get the ninth best group appointed. They aren’t consistent with decisions and there positioning is atrocious.The umps board are running there best groups together on the good games to get em ready for finals.
Frustrating very frustrating
Har it’s funny isn’t it.
We were crying for any won and now lamenting it wasn’t more than 4 goals.
I think because we were 6-7 goals up and it felt like we could finally go on with it and smash a team, and it didn’t happen and at times almost felt like we were going to lose it! Thank god we didn’t, I think the CFC would’ve torn the place down!
We call that progress!
Huh?
Sorry if I got your sentiment wrong Laj. That train of thought exists on this forum and I assumed you were part of it.
Feel the umpiring was like being handicapped in a two horse race. I think we get the worse umpires every week because our games don’t matter. 17th vs 18th we must get the ninth best group appointed. They aren’t consistent with decisions and there positioning is atrocious.The umps board are running there best groups together on the good games to get em ready for finals.
Frustrating very frustrating
One of the radio commentators was saying that he bumped into a CFC official at half time (ex player), and he commented that because they are so low on the ladder, and it's a game of little consequence, they get the umpires on L plates. I'm sure the club is quite aware of the situation, irrespective of what they say publicly.
Sorry if I got your sentiment wrong Laj. That train of thought exists on this forum and I assumed you were part of it.
Lol. That's ok. Haven't given O'Brien alot of thought. He did struggle with Bolton being light and in his 2nd year. Certainly been better under Teague. Done pretty well each game. Always helps to let everyone play to their strengths.
I thought LOB and Setters looked right at home in the first half at least. LOB blew a few kicks on the wing as the game went on. That needs tidying up for sure but he appeared more confident and found space. Setters, like last week, faded. He needs a 2nd preseason and assuming his improvement continues, we have a very good mid/fwd.
Cripps had his ankle strapped during the game. I wonder if he's injured. Certainly not his usual game today. His goal was a nice trick. I hope Dow is better for missing a game.
I love cripps but did anyone find he was a bit selfish on a few occasions and turned the ball over? Couldn’t understand why he did that?
The one time i thought to be myself, stop being so selfish was when he ended up kicking that snap at goal.....that went through....and i thought you're lucky you kicked that otherwise a few players would've been rightly pissed.
The one time i thought to be myself, stop being so selfish was when he ended up kicking that snap at goal.....that went through....and i thought you're lucky you kicked that otherwise a few players would've been rightly pissed.
He had another time where he tried to do it all, when he really didn’t need to, and got caught.
Great game from Liam Jones and I thought Plowman played his best game for the season, Kennedy has provided that Josh Caddy type forward player and was very good
with his reading of the play and taking his opportunities.
Cripps was down but that wasnt a bad thing and a few other players stepped up to pick up the slack. Liked Casboults game and he is a different player after going down back and getting some ball and it seems to have lifted his confidence.
Ugly win but thats how you have to do it sometimes as you get dragged down to lesser teams level, GC are not very good and without Lynch and May dont have much
to build around, if those two had played today I'm not so sure we would have won but you can only beat whats on the park.
re: Deluca...felt the speed of the game and didnt have much left in the tank, couple of good moments but needs an AFL pre season.
re: Obrien...still a weak link IMO and I dont get what others see in him, kicking is erratic, sometimes good and then he just gives the ball away with
no pressure applied often with kicks that go out on the full.
Good games from the two old blokes down back in Simpson and Thomas, remain unconvinced about Lang and still dont rate him....Liked Setterfields game, nothing too flash about how plays but he contests well and plays an old fashioned solid game, ditto for Jack who continued his good form from his previous games.
Kreuzer had a tough opponent in Witts and struggled in the ruck but kept on keeping even when he got whacked in the head and he gives you 100% effort every week.
Good win IMO and Teague keeps the training wheels off for another week...
@ EB1
Pretty fair summary EB. I think I am a little more optimistic about Lang. De Luca was certainly sucking in the big ones a few times but I am optimistic about his future prospects. Keep going boys, just keep those wins coming!
Why weren’t any 50m’s called when we continually got dumped after taking marks? Is it not a thing any more, like incorrect disposal?
Yes, that happened a half dozen times and not one whistle....normally, it's a guaranteed fifty.
I must admit i see nothing in LOB to suggest he'll be a player.
Granted he's young, but for a #10 pick, awful.
I must admit i see nothing in LOB to suggest he'll be a player.
Granted he's young, but for a #10 pick, awful.
He was much better earlier in the game but faded as he fatigued. Maybe with more fitness he would improve his overall performance?
The umpires favoured gold coast because they cant afford to get spanked every week. They won't survive so this one was always going to be tight.
They want pick 1 so they weren't going to win today either.
The umpires favoured gold coast because they cant afford to get spanked every week. They won't survive so this one was always going to be tight.
They want pick 1 so they weren't going to win today either.
Surely a spanking by the (At the time) 2nd worst team in the league would've been enough justification for the AFL to award them a PP and not give one to us though.
Any thoughts on Fiorini's game?
He certainly racked up the numbers (I'll have to watch the replay after all).
Surely a spanking by the (At the time) 2nd worst team in the league would've been enough justification for the AFL to award them a PP and not give one to us though.
they'll get one anyway.
It's hard to retain players if you're getting smashed every week even by the side who's second bottom.
Side note, that was possibly the most experienced side we've fielded in a while.
Any thoughts on Fiorini's game?
He certainly racked up the numbers (I'll have to watch the replay after all).
Got a lot of ball but didn't impact much with it, skills were OK but I thought he wasn't as good as Brodie who contested well and earned his kicks the hard way, Brodie's kicking needs work though.
The one time i thought to be myself, stop being so selfish was when he ended up kicking that snap at goal.....that went through....and i thought you're lucky you kicked that otherwise a few players would've been rightly pissed.
Cripps is learning to play a more outside role now and perhaps thats part of the learning curve. He used to getting the ball and dishing off now he seems to want to play more of a Dangerfield role.
Cripps is learning to play a more outside role now and perhaps thats part of the learning curve. He used to getting the ball and dishing off now he seems to want to play more of a Dangerfield role.
Agree, the team needs more balance.
He can’t be the only inside player we have.
So he has to bring other facets to his game.
It’s similar to having one main goal kicker.
You become too predictable
He got clobbered in Q1, wasn't the same after that....
Cripps was limping noticably, and had an ankle restrapped at one stage
They strapped his ankle, but I also thought I saw him have his foot stomped on as well.
Not sure if it was the same problem foot though, or if it was accidental or deliberate.
Wasn’t one of those expecting us to pummel the Suns today. Don’t think we’ve got enough of that killer instinct just yet to smash sides into the dirt. This was evident when we got 7 goals in front and then switched off and started stuffing around.
A win ya a win though. Will take it every day if the week after the first half iof the season we ve had.
How can we explain that putrid umpiring though ? Umps obviously under instruction from the AFL to go easy on Gold Coast this week. Can’t have them being smashed every week seeing as millions of (wasted) dollars have been pumped into them.
Reckon commentators also given a nudge by the AFL to not be too harsh on, and talk up Gold Coast as much as they can.
@ EB1
Pretty fair summary EB. I think I am a little more optimistic about Lang. De Luca was certainly sucking in the big ones a few times but I am optimistic about his future prospects. Keep going boys, just keep those wins coming!
I’m with you Cookie ????
I thought that Lang looked like he belonged out there for the first time. He faded in the last quarter but he gets a pass from me.
Deluca is a little off the pace, as is to be expected, but his leading patterns were the best I’ve seen from one of our small forwards since Matty Wright was at his best. He also showed some intent with his tackling and I think we’ve found a player.
I’m with you Cookie ????
I thought that Lang looked like he belonged out there for the first time. He faded in the last quarter but he gets a pass from me.
Deluca is a little off the pace, as is to be expected, but his leading patterns were the best I’ve seen from one of our small forwards since Matty Wright was at his best. He also showed some intent with his tackling and I think we’ve found a player.
he laid a great tackle in the 3rd or 4th (tried that stupid round the corner kick at goal and failed dismally). But he went ok (may have been a bit proppy too)?
i too liked what i saw from Deluca, he's got some zip, he's tough and looks like a smart player. Would really like us to leave him in for the rest of the year and give him a chance to adjust to the speed of the game
Great game from Liam Jones and I thought Plowman played his best game for the season, Kennedy has provided that Josh Caddy type forward player and was very good
with his reading of the play and taking his opportunities.
Cripps was down but that wasnt a bad thing and a few other players stepped up to pick up the slack. Liked Casboults game and he is a different player after going down back and getting some ball and it seems to have lifted his confidence.
Ugly win but thats how you have to do it sometimes as you get dragged down to lesser teams level, GC are not very good and without Lynch and May dont have much
to build around, if those two had played today I'm not so sure we would have won but you can only beat whats on the park.
re: Deluca...felt the speed of the game and didnt have much left in the tank, couple of good moments but needs an AFL pre season.
re: Obrien...still a weak link IMO and I dont get what others see in him, kicking is erratic, sometimes good and then he just gives the ball away with
no pressure applied often with kicks that go out on the full.
Good games from the two old blokes down back in Simpson and Thomas, remain unconvinced about Lang and still dont rate him....Liked Setterfields game, nothing too flash about how plays but he contests well and plays an old fashioned solid game, ditto for Jack who continued his good form from his previous games.
Kreuzer had a tough opponent in Witts and struggled in the ruck but kept on keeping even when he got whacked in the head and he gives you 100% effort every week.
Good win IMO and Teague keeps the training wheels off for another week...
I want Plowman to succeed but his good is more than offset by his poor decision making under pressure. Hopefully he improves in time but he is by far our worst at turnining the ball over at critical times. Dow, ECurniw and Simpson also need to improve in this regard.
@ EB1
Pretty fair summary EB. I think I am a little more optimistic about Lang. De Luca was certainly sucking in the big ones a few times but I am optimistic about his future prospects. Keep going boys, just keep those wins coming!
Deluca had some of the top running stats on ground. Leader in sprints and work rate in attack. Not a bad effort on debut.
I’m rapt with picking up Gibbons. First year in and has given us instant value, he is versatile works hard whether forward or used thru the middle. Will only get better too when has another 30-40 games under his belt.
Newman as well is a solid footballer and has cemented his spot. As long as he reduces his kicking turnovers he has also been a great pick up.
When you consider what these 2 cost us and how they have played a role instantly, it rubs it in how bad McGovern has been.
Has time to turn it around so still keeping fingers crossed.
I’m rapt with picking up Gibbons. First year in and has given us instant value, he is versatile works hard whether forward or used thru the middle. Will only get better too when has another 30-40 games under his belt.
Newman as well is a solid footballer and has cemented his spot. As long as he reduces his kicking turnovers he has also been a great pick up.
When you consider what these 2 cost us and how they have played a role instantly, it rubs it in how bad McGovern has been.
Has time to turn it around so still keeping fingers crossed.
Agree re Gibbo. I like seeing him on the ground, I feel confident when he has it. He is non smart arse mucking around, solid, team first, hard at it footballer.
Agree re Gibbo. I like seeing him on the ground, I feel confident when he has it. He is non smart arse mucking around, solid, team first, hard at it footballer.
Solid team first footballer is exactly the type of player Teague was, and you'd expect the type he wants in the side.
Blokes like Ed Curnow, Kennedy, Silvagni, Gibbons and now DeLuca have all improved their game since Teague came on board and all of them 100% fit that description.
You could probably apply it to plenty of others too, but those ones stood out to me.
Solid team first footballer is exactly the type of player Teague was, and you'd expect the type he wants in the side.
Blokes like Ed Curnow, Kennedy, Silvagni, Gibbons and now DeLuca have all improved their game since Teague came on board and all of them 100% fit that description.
You could probably apply it to plenty of others too, but those ones stood out to me.
I believe the Hawks sustained glory was built with these very types. Several of their "long shots" (respectfully) became essential inclusions. As we know they were skilled in their own right, but added to a spine of top end talent. That combination not only balances the books but also perpetuates motivation to stay in the side and results in reliable depth.
For those reasons I'm bouyed by recruiting the likes of those mentioned as well as Jack and Willo. Hopefully a couple of later late picks will also turn out to be gems. Get a handful of those right and you're in with a chance.
What I like about Gibbo and Deluca is that they're not skinny kids, we have enough of those.
I’m rapt with picking up Gibbons. First year in and has given us instant value, he is versatile works hard whether forward or used thru the middle. Will only get better too when has another 30-40 games under his belt.
Newman as well is a solid footballer and has cemented his spot. As long as he reduces his kicking turnovers he has also been a great pick up.
When you consider what these 2 cost us and how they have played a role instantly, it rubs it in how bad McGovern has been.
Has time to turn it around so still keeping fingers crossed.
Gibbons is consistent like he was at VFL level, not brilliant but he gets his 15-20 every week plus a goal or two.....think a B grade version of his mentor in Kane Lambert. But he
will improve like Lambert did and become a decent footballer for us IMO.
Newman is a solid defender but makes some poor decisions with his kicking, because he is a good kick he thinks he can make passes that are of the high risk variety
and he needs to get that out of his game and play safe more often.
Both have been good cheap pickups and shows why the State Leagues are a source of moneyball players who can make your list better.
I’m rapt with picking up Gibbons. First year in and has given us instant value, he is versatile works hard whether forward or used thru the middle. Will only get better too when has another 30-40 games under his belt.
Newman as well is a solid footballer and has cemented his spot. As long as he reduces his kicking turnovers he has also been a great pick up.
When you consider what these 2 cost us and how they have played a role instantly, it rubs it in how bad McGovern has been.
Has time to turn it around so still keeping fingers crossed.
Agree on Gibbons and Newman.
Wrgt McGovern I am hesitant to point the finger at him so far to be honest. I get the impression that, OK he is not above criticism esp. regarding fitness, the club has not been managing him that well either and may have been pushing him into the team prematurely. He has the challenge now to get himself to 100% fitness and to come back and show his best. Let's just see how he responds.
The umps played their hearts out trying to keep the Suns in the game at times.
So true. We beat 21 on the park at a time, not 18. Some of the frees they missed were painfully bad!
Charlie, Dow, Gov, Cunningham, Stocker and Goddard not in the first 22 at the minute.
Guys like Deluca and Gibbons are giving us so much better depth. These guys are hardened footballers who can run 15km and stick tackles all game. Totally different to drafting a kid and waiting 4 years for him to develop.
It is making a massive difference.
Charlie, Dow, Gov, Cunningham, Stocker and Goddard not in the first 22 at the minute.
Guys like Deluca and Gibbons are giving us so much better depth. These guys are hardened footballers who can run 15km and stick tackles all game. Totally different to drafting a kid and waiting 4 years for him to develop.
It is making a massive difference.
You forgot one...some bloke who happens to be our captain, previous B+F winner and AA representative.
A fair inclusion. ;)
I want Plowman to succeed but his good is more than offset by his poor decision making under pressure. Hopefully he improves in time but he is by far our worst at turnining the ball over at critical times. Dow, ECurniw and Simpson also need to improve in this regard.
He looks better at HB than on the last line where he tends to panic more - at least he was relieved of kick-in duties this week.
I thought that Lang looked like he belonged out there for the first time. He faded in the last quarter but he gets a pass from me.
Agreed - he actually put his body on the line to lay a tackle or two
Agreed - he actually put his body on the line to lay a tackle or two
Teague said he has made it clear, exactly what the expectations are around attack on the footy and tackling.
They didn’t ask the players he told them precisely what was required.
The tackling has improved significantly across the group
Murphy has even tackled properly at times.
Teague said he has made it clear, exactly what the expectations are around attack on the footy and tackling.
They didn’t ask the players he told them precisely what was required.
The tackling has improved significantly across the group
Murphy has even tackled properly at times.
Murphy is playing exactly the same way he has played for more than a decade, it the blokes around him that have changed! ;)
Re Lang, I have finally seen something with this bloke to get my attention. Still way off what I thought he would bring but at least he is doing a few nice things a game which is something to build on. His confidence must have been shot till now with his output and supporters angst with him.....interested to see how much better he will perform once he feels like he belongs. Has to be played in all remaining 5 games to make a definitive decision on him at years end.
Kennedy is another who has improved with getting a clear role and a decent block of games. Its amazing how much a professional sportsman can improve simply by gaining confidence.
Murphy is playing exactly the same way he has played for more than a decade, it the blokes around him that have changed! ;)
Rubbish. Under Bolton this year he played 13% of his games in the middle, under Teague it's 75%. How could he be playing the same if he had a different role?
Blokes like Ed Curnow, Kennedy, Silvagni, Gibbons and now DeLuca have all improved their game since Teague came on board and all of them 100% fit that description.
In 12 months time you'll be adding Liam Stocker to that group. He's got a very solid body already and 'toughness x factor' about him.
Rubbish. Under Bolton this year he played 13% of his games in the middle, under Teague it's 75%. How could he be playing the same if he had a different role?
It's the win that has people changing their attitude about the player.
Murphy's game style hasn't change a skerrick, his effort, attitude, skills and attack on the football are the same as they have always been, A-Grade!
It's the same no matter where he plays on the ground, that's why he's been captain for so long! ;)
Murphy is playing exactly the same way he has played for more than a decade, it the blokes around him that have changed! ;)
You clearly don't watch the game
You clearly don't watch the game
I do and I see it clearly, I'm not blinded by misplaced sMurphy rage! ;D
I do and I see it clearly, I'm not blinded by misplaced sMurphy rage! ;D
So, he had 19 tackles in 9 games under Bolton and 20 tackles under 5 games with Teague.
That's double.
But hey, you're all over it
5.8 clearances v 1.6 per game
10.6 Contested v 6.6 per game
It's amusing to think we are only marginally impressed by a 4-goal win.
We continue to have patches in very game where the whole team goes to sleep. When we got 43 points, we let the Suns kick 4 of the easiest goals they will ever get. And when they missed a sitter to get within 2 goals in the first minute of the last quarter, I could still see some snoring going on.
I said to my son after the game, it's amazing how playing a poor side can make you just as lukewarm. And I think we saw plenty of that.
We certainly need to spend the summer on making the forward line function more efficiently.
So, he had 19 tackles in 9 games under Bolton and 20 tackles under 5 games with Teague.
That's double.
But hey, you're all over it
5.8 clearances v 1.6 per game
10.6 Contested v 6.6 per game
It got nothing to do with sMurph intent, it's the difference between playing mostly midfield versus mostly somewhere else like on a wing or as a HF!
I'm just happy Murphy is (again) contributing in a meaningful way...
Late to the conversation but it was a funny feeling after watching the game....favourites and expected to win...which we did by 4 goals. But after leading by 6 goals we never put them away but credit to Gold Coast who never chucked it in at any stage and made us work hard for the 4 points.
I was surprised when I looked at the stats and saw Levi only had 10 possessions...he seemed to be everywhere and clunked anything that came near him. One of his best games IMO and his resurgence has been fantastic to watch.
Other positives were the form of Jones/Weitering combination down back, Kennedy up forward and probably the best game Lang has played for us. O'Brien was okay in the first half but undid some of the good work with 2 or 3 out on the full in the second half. Harry should've had a day out given the height advantage he had and with the amount of ball we had but his set shot kicking was terrible.
Silvagni continues to contribute and works hard to do a lot of the little things like spoil, chase, smother, tackle. His form since coming back into the team has been fantastic.
Deluca did enough to suggest he'll be a handy pick up.
The coaches’ votes are interesting: Liam Jones (10 votes), Ed Curnow (5 votes), Harry Mckay (4 votes), Sam Walsh (2 votes) and Michael Gibbons (1 vote).
The coaches’ votes are interesting: Liam Jones (10 votes), Ed Curnow (5 votes), Harry Mckay (4 votes), Sam Walsh (2 votes) and Michael Gibbons (1 vote).
Are there some votes missing i.e. it's a 5 to 1 voting system?
2 x (5+4+3+2+1) = 30
I was surprised when I looked at the stats and saw Levi only had 10 possessions...he seemed to be everywhere and clunked anything that came near him. One of his best games IMO and his resurgence has been fantastic to watch.
At one stage I saw he had 7 disposals from 8 marks. ::)
Are there some votes missing i.e. it's a 5 to 1 voting system?
2 x (5+4+3+2+1) = 30
Just our players are listed here. A couple of GC players got votes.
Just our players are listed here. A couple of GC players got votes.
Aha, makes sense. Thanks Dodge.
Are there some votes missing i.e. it's a 5 to 1 voting system?
2 x (5+4+3+2+1) = 30
I didn’t think anyone would be interested in votes for Cold Toast players ;)
At one stage I saw he had 7 disposals from 8 marks. ::)
Possible if you take a mark and a free kick is paid off the ball or the siren sounds and you give the ball to the umpire.
Possible if you take a mark and a free kick is paid off the ball or the siren sounds and you give the ball to the umpire.
Levi was called to play on after taking a mark. The ball was knocked out of his hands and his follow up tackle resulted in a ball up.
It was a crap call from the umpire and robbed us of a deep inside 50.
Levi was called to play on after taking a mark. The ball was knocked out of his hands and his follow up tackle resulted in a ball up.
It was a crap call from the umpire and robbed us of a deep inside 50.
One of many David!
They were abysmal during most of the game (noting they made a concerted effort to square up the count late in Q3 and Q4).
Levi was called to play on after taking a mark. The ball was knocked out of his hands and his follow up tackle resulted in a ball up.
It was a crap call from the umpire and robbed us of a deep inside 50.
or that.
I have no memory of that, must have been getting a beer.
or that.
I have no memory of that, must have been getting a beer.
:D
or that.
I have no memory of that, must have been getting a beer.
It was 3rd quarter, late, happened just off the centre square. I thin he had taken a step sideways.
Anyway, it looked like he waited too long to dispose of the footy more than anything else, and I remember thinking he had to fix his own mess.
It was 3rd quarter, late, happened just off the centre square. I thin he had taken a step sideways.
Anyway, it looked like he waited too long to dispose of the footy more than anything else, and I remember thinking he had to fix his own mess.
Yep
I thought he took a step off the line too, kind of thought about what he was doing, but by that time the umpire had called 'play on'.
He did well in the follow up though.
The problem is the ambiguity in the implementation of the rules, if the umpire is slow calling the mark the player might immediately think it's not going to be paid and presumes play on.
After all the players are drilled to play to the whistle. So the player sometimes thinks no mark so put some space between himself and opponents to avoid being tackled, so they instinctively step, and then the umpire sees the step and calls play on.
It happens over and over again.
It's also caused by two umpires in disagreement, having more umpires makes this worse.
Umpires need to be decisive in two areas. They have to call a mark or play on immediately, and they have to stamp out the early speculative tackles.
At the moment the players are coached to act in the time gap between a mark and a umpires call, as it lets them hold up play while claiming ignorance, often they get away with it, other times they cry foul if pinged for holding the man!
I wonder if scrapping the 50M and bringing back the 15m would allow umpires to act more freely.