And the winner is ________
If you follow the W/L pattern for this season, you will see almost all teams have a few up weeks, then a game or period where they are down. We've been up for a few weeks now, so a downer against WC was probably not unexpected. We didn't disgrace ourselves, but it wasn't a great game, and the worst of the Teague era IMO. I think the final 4 goal margin flattered us tbh, arising as it did from a couple of junk time goals. WC played as they have most of the season, doing just enough to stay in front, in 2nd or 3rd gear. When and if they decide to really play they will be something. Match savers in defence, match winners in attack, a super midfield, winners and A graders on every line.
Lang, Kennedy, Deluca and a few others had nights to forget. Walsh, Murph, Newman, harry Mac, Simmo (mostly) and a few others were good. Weeters did a good job on Josh K.
And I didn't mind Angus' game. Yes, he got caught HTB a couple of times, and yes he was out of his depth, but he kept having a go, kept participating and didn't drop his head. A baptism of fire unfortunately. I thought he bested some of his senior colleagues tbh.
Considering the outs I thought we did a fair job.
Make no mistake, they are a powerful side.
Great running abilities.
We were probably missing 8 of our best 22.
Our guys now know the level of fitness and running required.
We also need to add 2-3 A graders
And I didn't mind Angus' game. Yes, he got caught HTB a couple of times, and yes he was out of his depth, but he kept having a go, kept participating and didn't drop his head. A baptism of fire unfortunately. I thought he bested some of his senior colleagues tbh.
Agree with that
In the big scheme of things we were a bit undermanned and a little outclassed.
They are the yardstick and they are in form..... so Teague probably lost nothing in his coaching quest.
(Housekeeping Note:
Folks....Crash sets up the post match thread well in advance.
After the siren goes automatically switch the discussion to that thread otherwise we have two threads running against each other.
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I wasn’t unhappy, that second quarter they just took it on and scored whenever they went forward.
Not much from a lot. Not sure Lang deserves another contract - just not hard at it.
I want to love fish but he frustrates me. I wonder if there’s still a hangover or BB coaching of standing between two oppo players ????that annoys me most.
Thought Samo was wasted, he’s silk when he kicks. LOB tried and did some good, did some not good.
Annoyed by that free against Simmo, not sure how the umpire missed him getting hit in the head as he was running past him, but saw Simmos retaliation, which had a lot of extra added!
Levi had a shocker. Seemed nervous and played like it.
Felt sorry for the new kid, stuffed up a few times but then did a great fend off near the end and a good kick.
Jones missing hurt, also Daisy’s desperation needed.
Newman great
We definitely missed Jones and Daisy.
'Junk time' is a thing...but the Eagles are in a real percentage battle at the top so if they dropped their intensity at the end 'more fool them'.
Was it our worst performance under Teague?
4-6 goal loss against the premiers ....or 5 points against Melbourne.
I think I prefer today's effort.
Our guys could have won if they played the entire game like the first quarter. Might have let Teague down today. His chance of getting the permanent coach position might be running away from here on. Bloody hell we could go with 4 lost games in a row to finish this season. How bitter a taste that could turn out to be. You simply can’t win games playing one great quarter of football. It’s not enough.
One thing I noticed. Gibbons and Cripps did not have black armbands. That looked ordnary
This is y would should not recruit coniglio we need about 3 ball movers / carriers today’s game demonstrates this forget the 4 goal losing margin
5 marks inside 50. That stat really irks me. You won't win many with that figure. Combination of outstanding WC defence and F50 entries not to advantage. Oh well.
5 marks inside 50. That stat really irks me. You won't win many with that figure. Combination of outstanding WC defence and F50 entries not to advantage. Oh well.
Tall forwards got sucked up the ground too much, meant nothing to kick to when we had it. One thing we've done well recently is keep our tall forwards deeper.
Is this the post WCE game thread? Hope so.
I must have been watching a different game to most. I thought we stuck up the joint. Ill-disciplined, soft, selfish, and totally lacking in composure. Sure, they are the reigning premiers and we had Jones out which totally upset the balance but I still expected better.
What the f&ck is the deal with a CFC player being closest to the ball but then being beaten to it by an opponent? They're the Eagles ffs, not the Harlem Globetrotters. Just grab the ball dammit.
When I heard that we would be without Jones and Daisy, replaced by Goddard and Schumacher, I was expecting a belting around th sixty points mark. To get within 24 points was really good as in the past we have dropped our heads and been thumped.
I was pleasant surprised by Schumacher. He made some mistakes but showed enough for the future.
Does anyone know what has happened to McGovern? I expected him to line up for the Northern Blues. Surely he can't be that unfit not to get a game with them - or is there some other problem we are not being told about?
Tall forwards got sucked up the ground too much, meant nothing to kick to when we had it. One thing we've done well recently is keep our tall forwards deeper.
Our forwards were in the F50 plenty of the time. The kicks simply kept getting intercepted by WC, mostly by McGovern. We had 48 I50's, and the ball just ended up in the wrong hands.
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Does anyone know what has happened to McGovern? I expected him to line up for the Northern Blues. Surely he can't be that unfit not to get a game with them - or is there some other problem we are not being told about?
Teague said in the post match interview that he will be back very soon i.e next week or the one after.
Is this the post WCE game thread? Hope so.
I must have been watching a different game to most. I thought we stuck up the joint. Ill-disciplined, soft, selfish, and totally lacking in composure. Sure, they are the reigning premiers and we had Jones out which totally upset the balance but I still expected better.
What the f&ck is the deal with a CFC player being closest to the ball but then being beaten to it by an opponent? They're the Eagles ffs, not the Harlem Globetrotters. Just grab the ball dammit.
As others have said, there were definitely too many that had nights to forget. I don't think it was a great game by us, but WC have monstered plenty of teams better than what we had out there tonight.
As others have said, there were definitely too many that had nights to forget. I don't think it was a great game by us, but WC have monstered plenty of teams better than what we had out there tonight.
Don’t get sucked in by ‘Ivan’ and his negative comments.
Don’t get sucked in by ‘Ivan’ and his negative comments.
I've had a couple of run ins with Ivan, but I reckon he's alright. It wasn't one of our better recent performances, even taking into account the quality of WC.
When you are a team in our position and you have 6+ ‘walkups’ out, you’re going to struggle against a top team. To hang in there, and go down by 4 goals is no disgrace. Add Curnow, Kruezer, Marchbank, Jones, Doherty, Thomas, McGovern and the result might have been even closer!!
Some of our players seemed nervous - did they not believe they were in with a Chance?
When you are a team in our position and you have 6+ ‘walkups’ out, you’re going to struggle against a top team. To hang in there, and go down by 4 goals is no disgrace. Add Curnow, Kruezer, Marchbank, Jones, Doherty, Thomas, McGovern and the result might have been even closer!!
Yes, it's possible. It's also possible WC could have found another gear against a team with those ins. There's many possibilities. If you take out the variables, and just assess the game as a game, it wasn't too flash, and apart from very brief periods we never looked like getting close to winning. It was, in my view, too much left to too few.
And credit's where it's due. Liam Ryan's mark was super.
And credit's where it's due. Liam Ryan's mark was super.
Not bad for a State League hack is he.... :)
Not bad for a State League hack is he.... :)
No, not bad at all.
We met a premiership contender in very good form. Our blokes had a crack but lacked efficiency and the experience to know when to manipulate the game's tempo. Very costly 2nd qtr, virtually even after half time - not bad for a group missing more than 33% of their 'walk up start' players.
Knowing that we'll probably have Jones, Kreuzer, Cuningham, Thomas and Dow available for our next game will be a bonus.
I wonder if anyone has dared ask themselves if DT could possibly be the next Clarkson/Parkin etc.? At this stage I hope the club realizes that they've actually got someone here who knows what he's doing.
Yes we are on an upward trajectory but WC are way ahead of us atm, a very talented side in all depts. I wasn't too surprised by the result tbh and considering the depths we have been plumbing up until recently the result was as good as we could reasonably hoped for. We were playing a likely premiership outfit and we weren't blown away by any means.
I think too many of our F50 entries played into their hands and were easily repelled by their talented defenders too often leading to turnover goals.
We were garbage.
Soft, lazy, inept bordering on simply stupid for vast chunks of the game. Plenty of bludgers thinking their s#$t doesn't stink....Simmo one of the few shining lights.
Gob smacked that LOB keeps getting a game. miles off the pace....
The delivery into F50 was as bad as anything under Bolton....
our poor ball use killed it (the contest). Made it dead easy for the Weagles to run the ball.
Thought DT got slaughtered tactically. And I saw sfa changes tactically during the game.
The 4 goal margin flattered us greatly.
Apart from 10 minutes in Q1 we were deplorable quite frankly.
WC were in second gear most of the game IMO and were clearly the better team, nothing to do with Teague's coaching either, they just have more quality on the park.
eg They could sacrifice a star like Yeo to follow Cripps around but still have another class onballer in Shuey doing the business.
I thought Weitering was very good on Kennedy and Newman had a day out kicking four goals, Philips battled on and it was fairly even in the ruck....WC ball use is very good, most of the their players kick the ball well and they are a well drilled team.
New kid Schumacher got a rough deal starting on Ryan and found the physical side of the game very hard, I really felt for him when he got driven into the ground by Yeo
who is solid unit and that would have hurt but he battled on and he does kick the ball ok.
Walsh started very well and continues to be consistent, Murphy was ok, Plowman had a tough job on Darling, the latter outbodied Philips for a ruck contest goal which tells you how strong he is for a 190cm player and it was the same all over the ground with WC having a lot of developed bigger bodies.
Scoreboard flattered us and we had a few non contributors and need our best team on the park to compete with the heavyweight teams like WC.
We know Walsh is something special but a couple of times today he did some things in collecting and giving balls off you would expect from a 200 hundred game player.
WC were in second gear most of the game IMO and were clearly the better team, nothing to do with Teague's coaching either, they just have more quality on the park..
Scoreboard flattered us and we had a few non contributors and need our best team on the park to compete with the heavyweight teams like WC.
Yep, that's about it, not much else to say we looked like boys v men on most lines.
From about half way through the 2nd to half way through the 3rd qtr they outscored 9 or 10 goals to 2. That probably covered it right there.
Saw a fair bit of selfishness out there today from a few who should know better....
There were a few times today, that nearly had me smash my TV in frustration. Not due to lack of talent and skill. Not through a lack of speed. Just lazy effort and brain switching off. Lack of belief we can get back into the game. Stupidity in the heat of the moment. Goes brother not having anyone on the mark when he kicks the ball back into play after we score a point. WTF? He gets to run 35m out and kick the ball under no pressure. It takes no skill to stand on the mark. None at all. Just lazy footy. Not going to a contest in your defective 50m when a ball is kicked in your near proximity. Allowing an uncontested mark in front of goal? Really? Lazy. Expecting others to do the defending work. Happened during the whole game numerous times. Not running hard to chase an opponent after a turnover. Lazy. Not a skill problem. Pure lack of application.
In fact when Ryan or Cameron was being chased hard running towards his attacking 50m, the shear fact he was chased, must have given perceived pressure. Hence he ran too far and gave us a free kick. This is simple. Not talent or skill. It’s application. Work ethic. Giving away 50m penalties mouthing off to the umpires. Simo, Jack. Really? Do you honestly think the umpire will reverse a free kick because he respects your opinion? Shut the f@ck up and accept the decision. NOOO, we want the opponent to be within kicking distance of a goal, because we want to voice our opinion.
Some lazy tackle efforts today I was most unhappy with. It again isn’t a skill issue. Handing off a hand pass 3m to your left or right, selling a comrade under pressure? Really? How about moving the ball forwards. Not dishing the ball off because you don’t want to be busted in a tackle. All while no opponent is near you. Come on guys, a little composure. I hope Teague sits all the boys down to watch the replay. To see these simple things that don’t need skill. It’s an application issue. Cost us 3 or 4 goals today. Hang on we only lost by 4 goals. So in reality we could have taken this one all the way today. Lost focus, belief and not prepared to do the hard work. Walsh and Cripps can’t be expected to carry the side. Think.
Sure we didn’t get thumped in the end. I however am not convinced it was bigger bodies, more experience, more talent that beat us. We lost it. We choked. We got lazy and left the work to Walsh, Cripps, Simo, Murphy and Newman. We are better than what we showed today. Sure down with injuries. However stupidity, laziness and lack of effort for 4 quarters is not talent or skill. Don’t do it again in the last 3 games for this season. It isn’t fair on your teammates. It isn’t honourable to your potential permanent coach. It isn’t right to do to your supporters who pay good money to watch you get paid to serve up some effort. When things are going our way.
It’s 3 games. Bring it on 100% and maximum effort for 4 quarters. It’s 3 games. That’s it. Bring it or risk being delisted. Sell them this concept Teague. Just say it once and for all. I wish Doc was out there. Very rare to see him do 3/4 efforts. Play hard for half a game. No wonder Special K, Doc and Daisy are a big loss to us. They never give up. It’s not skill that makes them special. It’s application. Effort. It’s character.
I might be less frustrated in the morning. Don’t kill me for caring how we try to win games. I just think we only gave it half a shot today. Great individual moments here and there. We really should and could have lost by far more. Thank God Kennedy was kept quiet. I wish he never left.
We were garbage.
Soft, lazy, inept bordering on simply stupid for vast chunks of the game. Plenty of bludgers thinking their s#$t doesn't stink....Simmo one of the few shining lights.
Gob smacked that LOB keeps getting a game. miles off the pace....
The delivery into F50 was as bad as anything under Bolton....
our poor ball use killed it (the contest). Made it dead easy for the Weagles to run the ball.
Thought DT got slaughtered tactically. And I saw sfa changes tactically during the game.
The 4 goal margin flattered us greatly.
Apart from 10 minutes in Q1 we were deplorable quite frankly.
We played as well as we were allowed to by a greatly superior team, the reigning premiers currently residing at the opposite end of the ladder to where we sit. Yes disappointing but your assessment is way to harsh imo. We are trying to get up of the canvass where we were wallowing for years with little hope. Try not to be too churlish in your judgement as we try and recover from that.
My WCE companion was staggered we were as bad as we were - commented how he expected a contest - got none really.
We know Walsh is something special but a couple of times today he did some things in collecting and giving balls off you would expect from a 200 hundred game player.
Could win a Brownlow or 3 eventually. I don’t know how he does it. Imagine a great preseason before 2020.
My WCE companion was staggered we were as bad as we were - commented how he expected a contest - got none really.
Staggering how the WCE failed to win by 10 goals really?
My WCE companion was staggered we were as bad as we were - commented how he expected a contest - got none really.
Ah so why didn’t they annihilate us? Stupid comment, as if they went easy on us to save some energy for another day. They were stuffed many times, and we looked it too in the last.
Still have some players that stand and watch, unfortunately don’t have Simmos 100% effort across the board.
Boys looked stuffed after last month, it’s been a big couple months for them all, give them a break.
Agree with most the final margin didn’t represent how easy they held us from the second quarter. They are close to full strength and we needed a healthy list to push them.
Thought Harry tried hard all day and presented well up the ground. His kicking is a worry but can’t fault his effort today.
Cripps drop off in performance when he is payed more respect needs to be sorted. Cant go from a match winner to having no impact the next week. He is our captain and we need consistent performance week in week out. Walsh has been more consistent all year seems to be getting better instead of tapering off and reckon he may pip Cripps At the B&F. Weitering again gets the toughest job but still wins he position. Love watching him back himself in regardless who he is against. Finally knows how good he is and plays that way. Deserves to be in AA discussions.
Lang can’t get another contract and is gone. Can’t have blokes like that in the line up. No more chances for him. Kennedy found it tough today against a well drilled back 6. Had a few good weeks but not going to get any cheap goals and won’t impact against the big boys unless he get more strings to his bow.
Fish has been my biggest disappointment his year. Doesn’t get involved enough has to spend the summer in the gym - Too light to play midfield and is unsighted when he plays forward and doesn’t impact. Has been very lucky to keep his spot and he imo should join Dow in the 2s.
My WCE companion was staggered we were as bad as we were - commented how he expected a contest - got none really.
With the 6 changes below, you'll get one
1. Cunningham for Lang
2. Stocker for Deluca
3. Jones for Goddard
4. Docherty for Schumacher
5. C Curnow for Kennedy
6. Kreuzer for Phillips
Lang, Deluca, Goddard and Schumacher (at this stage) are VFL at best and Kennedy/Phillips are on the edge.
We made too many poor decisions today. We executed pretty badly at times too.
There were lots of bonus goals given to the eagles. That simpson free kick was disgusting. The actions cancelled each other out. To give a stager a free goal when his team was coasting is simply poor judgement by umpires.
I don't know why they bother with cheapies like that when it's a 6 goal game. Lacks understanding of what's happening and what the game demands.
I understand that holding players off the ball is a free, and I understand that forwards holding defenders on the goal line is kosher when it wouldn't be any other time. One of darling's Mark's came because Kennedy was shepherding weitering on the goal line and the ball dropped short. Weitering was simply trying to attack darling who took an uncontested mark, whilst weitering was not able to get a run at it thanks to Kennedy. Its accepted that had a carlton player marked it, weitering would have held Kennedy out and that's a free kick. Why not for weitering in reverse?
The umpires gave west coast a lot of free goals. At half time I had them at 4 goals. Given it was 9 goals 5, to 6 goals 3, that's a game turning impact.
We weren't going to do much today, but I can't understand how we get so hard done by when we aren't looked after. One of west coasts goals came on the back of a non free to Murphy in the first quarter. Head high contact, got pinged for holding the ball, and then a nothing 50 metre penalty. Its crap.
We were garbage.
Soft, lazy, inept bordering on simply stupid for vast chunks of the game. Plenty of bludgers thinking their s#$t doesn't stink....Simmo one of the few shining lights.
Gob smacked that LOB keeps getting a game. miles off the pace....
The delivery into F50 was as bad as anything under Bolton....
our poor ball use killed it (the contest). Made it dead easy for the Weagles to run the ball.
Thought DT got slaughtered tactically. And I saw sfa changes tactically during the game.
The 4 goal margin flattered us greatly.
Apart from 10 minutes in Q1 we were deplorable quite frankly.
Yes.
And they only beat us by 4 goals.
With Daisy and Jones in the side instead of Goddard and Schumaker, we would have beaten them.
We put in a bloody good effort considering the players we were missing I reckon
Agree with most the final margin didn’t represent how easy they held us from the second quarter. They are close to full strength and we needed a healthy list to push them.
Thought Harry tried hard all day and presented well up the ground. His kicking is a worry but can’t fault his effort today.
Cripps drop off in performance when he is payed more respect needs to be sorted. Cant go from a match winner to having no impact the next week. He is our captain and we need consistent performance week in week out. Walsh has been more consistent all year seems to be getting better instead of tapering off and reckon he may pip Cripps At the B&F. Weitering again gets the toughest job but still wins he position. Love watching him back himself in regardless who he is against. Finally knows how good he is and plays that way. Deserves to be in AA discussions.
Lang can’t get another contract and is gone. Can’t have blokes like that in the line up. No more chances for him. Kennedy found it tough today against a well drilled back 6. Had a few good weeks but not going to get any cheap goals and won’t impact against the big boys unless he get more strings to his bow.
Fish has been my biggest disappointment his year. Doesn’t get involved enough has to spend the summer in the gym - Too light to play midfield and is unsighted when he plays forward and doesn’t impact. Has been very lucky to keep his spot and he imo should join Dow in the 2s.
Agree on Fisher.
Yes.
And they only beat us by 4 goals.
With Daisy and Jones in the side instead of Goddard and Schumaker, we would have beaten them.
We put in a bloody good effort considering the players we were missing I reckon
It was the equivalent of a 50 point win.
Our midfield went missing, our skills were sub standard as was our decision making.
Bad day at the office granted plus the missing players but still the boys appear to have started to buy into their own hype....
We made too many poor decisions today. We executed pretty badly at times too.
There were lots of bonus goals given to the eagles. That simpson free kick was disgusting. The actions cancelled each other out. To give a stager a free goal when his team was coasting is simply poor judgement by umpires.
It wasn’t just the staging, he smacked him in the head moments before as he was running after the ball, past him - and Simmo didn’t like it and retaliated and that’s when he flopped. craps me that I can see it happen on my couch but the ump standing right there misses that part but then gets sucked into the flop!
It was the equivalent of a 50 point win.
So tell me, why didn’t they win by 50 if they were just coasting?
Percentage is crucial for those top spots, if we were such easy beats why didn’t they flog us?
Just because we’ve won 5 out of last 8 (two losses in under a goal), doesn’t mean we’re now finals contenders! There is still a lot to fix but what we’re seeing now is we’ve got a lot of talent to work with and the senior players are playing better than they have for seasons.
Did you really think we were going to beat last years premiers, who have built this team and played together for years? A 4 goal loss for us to them after the 2 months we’ve had is bloody unreal - we had two new players, we have deluca who has played SFA, no:
Kruezer
Jones
Daisy
Three of our top 10(?).
Add to that
Charlie
Doc
McGovern
It wasn’t just the staging, he smacked him in the head moments before as he was running after the ball, past him - and Simmo didn’t like it and retaliated and that’s when he flopped. craps me that I can see it happen on my couch but the ump standing right there misses that part but then gets sucked into the flop!
It’s very unlike Simmo to retaliate like that ... and it should have been a 50m penalty to us for Allen’s hit on Simmo if the umpires were fair dinkum.
The result was a reality check but at least we were competitive.
Positives for me were the performances of Goddard, Schumacher and O’Brien.
Goddard’s first full game for us was serviceable and he showed that he is capable of matching it with the best key forwards. He is definitely worth retaining as back up for our first choice key defenders.
Schumacher had a tough introduction to AFL and I thought he handled it pretty well. He showed poise, pretty good decision making and skills. I think that he could force his way into our best 22 with continued development.
O’Brien seems to be growing in confidence and his footy is improving as a result. His disposal was better but he still needs to eliminate miskicks.
I piked out on going to the game and watched it on TV with Ms DJC for company. Her observation that Wet Toast “don’t have any skinny, weedy players” summed up a key difference.
So tell me, why didn’t they win by 50 if they were just coasting?
Percentage is crucial for those top spots, if we were such easy beats why didn’t they flog us?
Just because we’ve won 5 out of last 8 (two losses in under a goal), doesn’t mean we’re now finals contenders! There is still a lot to fix but what we’re seeing now is we’ve got a lot of talent to work with and the senior players are playing better than they have for seasons.
Did you really think we were going to beat last years premiers, who have built this team and played together for years? A 4 goal loss for us to them after the 2 months we’ve had is bloody unreal - we had two new players, we have deluca who has played SFA, no:
Kruezer
Jones
Daisy
Three of our top 10(?).
Add to that
Charlie
Doc
McGovern
You're welcome to your opinion Micky, just as I should be...
I have seen every Melbourne game (bar the Dees) and even the Freo game in Perth live.
Yesterday for sure we came up against a good opposition BUT I expected a lot more...irrespective of the outs.
It was a poor effort. Too many players doing the look at me, look at me stuff - and stuffing things up. The team first ethos was out the window.
Way, way too much bombing the ball on the forwards' heads....through the WHOLE game.
Players being slow to react, slow to move it on and slow to present an option to a team mate....and a lot of poor decisions.
Can we play better? Much.
Will we be better against the Tigers? A lot. I think DT would have been disappointed with yesterday's effort (rather than the result per se).
It’s very unlike Simmo to retaliate like that ... and it should have been a 50m penalty to us for Allen’s hit on Simmo if the umpires were fair dinkum.
The result was a reality check but at least we were competitive.
Positives for me were the performances of Goddard, Schumacher and O’Brien.
Goddard’s first full game for us was serviceable and he showed that he is capable of matching it with the best key forwards. He is definitely worth retaining as back up for our first choice key defenders.
Schumacher had a tough introduction to AFL and I thought he handled it pretty well. He showed poise, pretty good decision making and skills. I think that he could force his way into our best 22 with continued development.
O’Brien seems to be growing in confidence and his footy is improving as a result. His disposal was better but he still needs to eliminate miskicks.
I piked out on going to the game and watched it on TV with Ms DJC for company. Her observation that Wet Toast “don’t have any skinny, weedy players” summed up a key difference.
Yes, that was a real shocker at a critical time....the player (was it Allen) should get fined for the stage - just as bad as what the Cats guy did....
One thing I did think was dumb in our play was how we bombed the ball into F50 all too often against one of the best aerial defences in the league - MacGovern, Barrass and Sheppard. who were dining out on it. I noticed on two or three occasions even the ball being bombed to a one on one with MacGovern and Fisher! Also the devastating period of play by WC, end of 1Q/start of 2Q from memory, really set us back. Their skills and ball movement in that period I think were as good as you'd ever see. Anyway, we weren't massacred, at least we hung in, which is a great sign atm, at this stage of our development.
One thing I did think was dumb in our play was how we bombed the ball into F50 all too often against one of the best aerial defences in the league - MacGovern, Barrass and Sheppard. who were dining out on it. I noticed on two or three occasions even the ball being bombed to a one on one with MacGovern and Fisher! Also the devastating period of play by WC, end of 1Q/start of 2Q from memory, really set us back. Their skills and ball movement in that period I think were as good as you'd ever see. Anyway, we weren't massacred, at least we hung in, which is a great sign atm, at this stage of our development.
Agree. Was so frustrated at the game watching the slow high kick coming in. Don't think we took a single mark in F50 in a pack situation.
The chaos kick would have yielded a better result. They have the best tall defenders in the game and played directly into their hands. And the fact it was done time and time again from slow set plays meant IMO it was a game plan not just poor decisions from the players.
Teague didn't have a great day IMO.
It is good to see the clouds rolling in over the silver linings on this site.
WCE were simply bigger than CFC. Too many skinny kids. Daisy was a big out particularly because of the absence of Jones. If we get these two back next week as well as Kreuzer and Cuningham and if we play with the same endeavor, we will do well against Richmond.
If the players want Teague they have to play out the season.
I was unhappy about the result but WCE are a good side, we need to find another goal a quarter. They are a top three side and we are a bottom three side. If they hadn't turned up to play we would have rolled them.
Bloody Teague. ;D
He's raised expectations to the point where a 36 point loss (call it 6 goals because folks don't want to count junk time goals) to the premiers is a disappointment.
The truth is we're at best an 8-12 ladder placed team at the moment.
We caught Brisbane on the hop (coach changes will often do that) but the rest of our games have been against very poor opposition. Even the teams that were in the eight when we beat them were in poor form at the time.
We were beaten by Melbourne!!!
The games have gone pretty much as they should have given the standard of the opposition.
So what possibly made us think we could match and beat one of the best, especially with late disruptions.
West Coast and Richmond are looking the likely Grand Fnalists.
It's here where we get a realistic view of how far off we are at present...and if it's 4-6 goals it's really not far off.... and about level with an 8-12 placed side.
West Coast beat North by 49 points last weekend...and they appointed a coach off the back of that.
We probably had more guys have their worst games in weeks at the same time, but that may have been a result of a few players missing and extra responsibility being required.
Cripps being pretty well held also meant an extra burden on others.
Schumacher had a tough introduction to senior football and was probably a bit shell-shocked by the increase in pressure and speed from the VFL level
Our back structure was weakened by the loss of Jones.
Our forward setup has been pretty well covered...too many high balls for the West Coast defence to pick off and just inefficient forward entries all round.
Harry did his best work (only real work) up around the wing area yesterday....and with Casboult also down we had no big talls to match their defensive strength.
If anything there was an element of panic and rushed actions which were largely responsible for the poor disposal.
Too many balls out of defence were kicked without a look upfield....and came straight back.
4-6 goals (whichever)...against arguably the best side in the league....
That wouldn't have hurt Teague's chances at all....unless club folks are holding out desperately for reasons not to choose him.
Are we going to discount WC junk time goals as well?
Are we going to discount WC junk time goals as well?
The problem for us was that Wet Toast got a bunch of questionable line ball frees at the critical moments.
In one passage of play you see our defender(I think it was Newman) gets pinged for a push out, Wet Toast free and goal, then moments later one of their forwards does the very same thing and isn't penalised(identical action to Simmo) and gets paid the mark for another goal, then at the other end SoJ takes a mark with the very same action and gets pinged for a push out on a Wet Toast defender, and that causes a rebound goal to Wet Toast.
In effect the umpires delivered a 3 goal swing in just a few minutes from identical actions which all went Wet Toast's way!
Another one I saw was Big H got deliberately legged outside F50, a Wet Toast player who was lying on the ground reached out and grabbed his ankle. Big H should have received a free kick and 50m penalty for an infringement that is supposed to be an automatic report, instead Wet Toast rebounded and had another shot on goal.
Are we going to discount WC junk time goals as well?
Real 'Junk time' goals only occur when a game is all but over apart from the final siren.
Not in close games, before breaks.
In West Coast's position, where percentage is very important to their finishing position, there should be no such thing as Junk time.
So I'd say we take the two late goals on their merits.
The problem for us was that Wet Toast got a bunch of questionable line ball frees at the critical moments.
In one passage of play you see our defender(I think it was Newman) gets pinged for a push out, Wet Toast free and goal, then moments later one of their forwards does the very same thing and isn't penalised(identical action to Simmo) and gets paid the mark for another goal, then at the other end SoJ takes a mark with the very same action and gets pinged for a push out on a Wet Toast defender, and that causes a rebound goal to Wet Toast.
In effect the umpires delivered a 3 goal swing in just a few minutes from identical actions which all went Wet Toast's way!
Another one I saw was Big H got deliberately legged outside F50, a Wet Toast player who was lying on the ground reached out and grabbed his ankle. Big H should have received a free kick and 50m penalty for an infringement that is supposed to be an automatic report, instead Wet Toast rebounded and had another shot on goal.
Yep, thats a fair call LP. We got boned again by the umps but what's new.....
Yep, thats a fair call LP. We got boned again by the umps but what's new.....
When and where these frees occur is dramatically impacting games, and they are all subjective decisions, you can see hands in the back 50 times a game at the moment but only 5 or 10 get penalised.
It's a very stupid implementation of a ridiculously subjective rule!
Full credit to west coast though.
At one point they were 3 goals 5.
They then went on to score 11 goals 1 from their next 12 scoring shots (one hit the post).
Premiership team, doing what premiers do and that is make the most of their opportunities.
We were 5 goals 3 at quarter time, and then I think we were 6 goals 5 at half time. Speaks volumes.
What hurts is that when we got our opportunities, we didnt make the most of them. I don't think the effort can be faulted, but the lack of composure at times was probably the biggest issue. In the first quarter we looked like we were a little more concerned with playing around McGovern.
Later, not so much.
Ironically, the way we played under Bolton would have worked better against West Coast. Slower more deliberate build up than this reliance on going faster, and being faster than West Coast.
I understand that holding players off the ball is a free, and I understand that forwards holding defenders on the goal line is kosher when it wouldn't be any other time. One of darling's Mark's came because Kennedy was shepherding weitering on the goal line and the ball dropped short. Weitering was simply trying to attack darling who took an uncontested mark, whilst weitering was not able to get a run at it thanks to Kennedy. Its accepted that had a carlton player marked it, weitering would have held Kennedy out and that's a free kick. Why not for weitering in reverse.
This is becoming a pet hate of mine. Different interpretation of the same rule depending on field position.
Forwards seem to be allowed to monster their opponents and get away with it under the guise of “standing their ground”.
Sheeds should have had his mark (and, subsequently, the match winning goal) in last year’s GF disallowed because his opponent was just barreled out of the way.
I was kind of surprised it was only 4 goals in the end. WC looked like they were cruising at times and there were multiple occasions where the ball just went into their F50 and they scored at ease. So as far as I can work out our very best side playing at their best could get us across the line.
I look at guys like Lang and wonder why he keeps getting a game. He might as well be in the 2's with Fasolo. Useless. Bring in Cunningham I guess?
Zac Fisher is poo at the moment. I hope his broken leg of last year hasn't dented his confidence, but he's a patch on the kid that impressed so much before BL (broken leg)
Deluca has had a couple of games and needs to make way for someone.
Kennedy had a shocker but he has credits and against Richmond is a must
Murph continues his good form since the Bolton exit.
He along with Newman, Walsh, and unfortunately Simmo, our best.
Harry was better this week but needs to have a bigger impact up forward. The ball must come to ground if you can't mark it "H". It's must. Regardless of the pox delivery to you. Make a CONTEST.
I thought the backline battled well under the circumstances. Plowman on Darling was always a big ask and I thought Teague should have moved Levi onto him as he wasn't having an impact up forward.
Weitering beats Kennedy which will give him great confidence.
Jack, SPS Ed, Cripps were solid. O'Brien I think is getting more confidence and should finish out the year playing in the seniors.
Gibbons is becoming a bit of a favourite. Always gives 100% and starting to hit the scoreboard.
Schumacher, a bit out of his league, at this stage, but I'm happy to give him another go, but likely will miss with Daisy's return I suspect. A bit the same for Goddard who will probably be a straight swap with Jones.
Setterfield, didn't really notice him. Phillips tried hard and did a couple of nice things but he was beaten on a couple of occasions by bigger bodied opponents and if Kreuzer is fit I'd be playing him next week in his place against the Tigers.
We had I would say six definite starters out to their one, in the hugely overrated Natanui, we continued to kick the ball badly to our forwards but to the advantage of their backs, the umpires pipped in with their obligatory shockers (seems to be a common occurrence) so a 4 Goal margin wasn't bad.
The only thing I found disappointing was that we didn't really get a setup to leverage Liam Ryan's lack of defensive run, if he doesn't get the footy Ryan basically stops and watches and we didn't take advantage of that.
I suspect if Daisy had been out there we might have seen even more goals from the HBFs.
The only thing I found disappointing was that we didn't really get a setup to leverage Liam Ryan's lack of defensive run, if he doesn't get the footy Ryan basically stops and watches and we didn't take advantage of that.
I suspect if Daisy had been out there we might have seen even more goals from the HBFs.
That is very true. He managed to get votes in some media awards, but he allowed Nick Newman to run off him and kick his first 2 goals, at other times he allowed Simmo to run off him to the point that Simmo was nearly BOG and he was never penalized for some of the least effective attempts at screamers that I have ever seen. He took one good mark, but he should have given away 6 frees from unrealistic attempts. However, not one was paid. Even two of his own goals came from the fact that he did not chase his opponent: he was left on his own and we turned the ball over and couldn't get back to pick him up. He coudn't pick up the 'flu!
I thought we tried hard but were just undermanned. They were bigger and stronger everywhere
I thought Harry had a pretty average game.
My memories of the game were that he did a bit of good work up around the wing but not a lot else.
I doubt many would have him in our bests but...
Apparently stats wise though it was one of his better games
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/stats-that-mattered-blues-v-eagles?fbclid=IwAR0sBZJz15RdD2X-VIu-xqad9lEOsrFhmS26VIpgvA3kqM9m5WCFY7L9BZ4
18 disposals, a career-best 11 marks and a team-high seven score involvements.
I thought Harry had a pretty average game.
My memories of the game were that he did a bit of good work up around the wing but not a lot else.
I doubt many would have him in our bests but...
Apparently stats wise though it was one of his better games
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/stats-that-mattered-blues-v-eagles?fbclid=IwAR0sBZJz15RdD2X-VIu-xqad9lEOsrFhmS26VIpgvA3kqM9m5WCFY7L9BZ4
18 disposals, a career-best 11 marks and a team-high seven score involvements.
And the WCE have one of the best defenses in the league.
He worked really hard to give our backs a target when they were under pressure, but had to push up to the wings to do that. We really miss C Curnow because once Harry had the ball on the wing we struggled to give him a viable target to move the ball quickly
He worked really hard to give our backs a target when they were under pressure, but had to push up to the wings to do that. We really miss C Curnow because once Harry had the ball on the wing we struggled to give him a viable target to move the ball quickly
Agree, I was at the game and he ran all day. I said to my daughter he reminded me of Nick Riewoldt in his younger days - he played a very smart game if we had Charlie and also McGovern forward, that game would have played out very differently.
I'm very happy with Harrys year - developed well considering the lack of support with Charlie injured and McGovern not fit - and then when you remind yourself this kid has played just 32 games! :o
If he gets his kicking for goal back like it was he will be a star of the comp in 2-3 years time.
I thought Harry had a pretty average game.
My memories of the game were that he did a bit of good work up around the wing but not a lot else.
I doubt many would have him in our bests but...
Apparently stats wise though it was one of his better games
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/stats-that-mattered-blues-v-eagles?fbclid=IwAR0sBZJz15RdD2X-VIu-xqad9lEOsrFhmS26VIpgvA3kqM9m5WCFY7L9BZ4
18 disposals, a career-best 11 marks and a team-high seven score involvements.
Nice article. H is coming along nicely.
As I mentioned previously we really only lost our way for a period in the 2nd qtr, but this is too similar to the 'bad old days'. It's still something we have to clean up on, those terrible 15 minute lapses.
As an aside, I wonder if DT is the coach the club was hoping it would get with BB? Young, capable bloke to grow with the group?
Really liked Weiters game. Gibbo is rapidly becoming a fave among BlueBaggers. Sharp pick-up, that Newman - future winger for sure, once the injured army of defenders return (Willo, Doc, Jones, Marchbank...)... loves a goal.
Another point of difference. West coast were much more vocal. I was on level 3 and could hear them that's how loud they were.
We are like church mice by comparison.
Without the size and speed of Jonesy, and the smarts of Daisy, I expected an 8 goal loss.
In all, i thought we did well enough to hold them to 4. Our weaknesses were i50 match ups, and turn overs. Mainly from poor decisions or execution. At times we had more time than we realised.
WC are in premiership form. And yes, the umpiring seems to disproportionately penalize the underdog at times.
Our backs held the most potent forward line at bay. Weiters can chalk one up over JK, which he can be proud of.
Unfortunately the great game of several players was overshadowed by the passengers. We all know who they were.
I liked that our goals came from unexpected sources. Newy and Walshy in particular. I also loved Gibbons somehow leading for Walshy then putting some body on WC on the goal line. He's the ultimate team player who has evercharged long life batteries.
We were due a 'let down' game and WCE take no prisoners....give them an inch (which we did on numerous occasions) and...
Add in Jones, Thomas etc out and we were always behind the 8 ball.
And the umpires made sure of it....
Whilst I fully understand Liam's absence (RIP his mum), it showed just how important he is to our structure - we often had none once we coughed the ball up....our mids were darn ordinary running defensively too....
Average age:
WC: 26.2
Blues: 24.3
Average games:
WC: 125
Blues: 74
WC were 2 years more mature, with 2 seasons more game experience.
Image that Carlton team playing themselves in 2 years time.
I'm confident we will be more than a 4 goal better team in 2 years.
(Gold Coast actually fielded a more experienced team than us on the weekend, and got thrashed by the 69 points.)
Average age:
WC: 26.2
Blues: 24.3
Average games:
WC: 125
Blues: 74
WC were 2 years more mature, with 2 seasons more game experience.
Image that Carlton team playing themselves in 2 years time.
I'm confident we will be more than a 4 goal better team in 2 years.
(Gold Coast actually fielded a more experienced team than us on the weekend, and got thrashed by the 69 points.)
Take Simmo out of that equation and tell us how it looks.
He is the definition of an outlier (we would have been smashed without him in as he was one of our best).
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/curnow-charged-by-mro
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/curnow-charged-by-mro
Daisy not playing so they had to ping somebody! ::)
A Wet Toast player deliberately legged Harry just outside the F50 arc and nothing, nada, and it would have been unmissable on video as the player was lying on the ground and reached out for Big H's ankle!
If you get a chance, check out Liam Ryan punching SPS in the guts as the quarter time siren goes. SPS had already disposed of the ball when he gets blind-sided.
The little sniper disguised it well, but obvious what his intent was as you can see him look back the the damage he did.
... and this was not even mentioned in the MRP report.
If you get a chance, check out Liam Ryan punching SPS in the guts as the quarter time siren goes. SPS had already disposed of the ball when he gets blind-sided.
The little sniper disguised it well, but obvious what his intent was as you can see him look back the the damage he did.
... and this was not even mentioned in the MRP report.
I saw SPS down behind play and thought he'd injured himself. Expected a camera replay, but nothing. Never found out what happened until now.
I saw SPS down behind play and thought he'd injured himself. Expected a camera replay, but nothing. Never found out what happened until now.
It was Rioli who cleaned SPS up....
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-08-05/curnow-charged-by-mro
I think Curnows have a personalized camera feed that is reviewed frame by frame ????
The MRO is just rotten. Biased. Selective. Inconsistent. Acts like the Rioli one constantly ignored, yet if say Curnow looks sideways he gets reviewed. Do they actually review every minute of every game? Evidence says the MRO does not.
He's not doing the job. Sack the clown or give him realistic guidance so he does a meaningful job of it.
The lads didn't apply enough pressure and let wet toast do what they do best. They spread and use the ball as well as anyone. The fact we didn't get flogged shows we have plenty of hope. The boys have been up for a while now and if that's a down game I'm pretty happy.
We missed Liam Jones. He's brilliant when going. I can't believe how good a player he has become. Daisy also missed. He just puts his body on the line every time. Doc will mske us better down back i just cross my fingers for him.
One more gun mid will really help. As many say i reckon sos will trade our first rounder for the best he can snag. We can only play a small in the middle for short bursts until they get bigger. But they will get bigger. Shuey started as a skinny kid once remember.
The fwd line will be better when charles and mitch are fit. I don't know if we can play 3 talls but if it works we will be very hard to stop. At worst we play the 2 best and get serious competition for spots. Really Kennedy and Jack are fighting for the same spot. We desperately need a magic small fwd. Having said that i am growing very fond of young Gibbons. He's a bloody ripper. A real fighter. And a neat kick and can snag a goal.
I think we'll get 2 more wins or get very close. Bring on 2020.
The lads didn't apply enough pressure and let wet toast do what they do best. They spread and use the ball as well as anyone. The fact we didn't get flogged shows we have plenty of hope. The boys have been up for a while now and if that's a down game I'm pretty happy.
We missed Liam Jones. He's brilliant when going. I can't believe how good a player he has become. Daisy also missed. He just puts his body on the line every time. Doc will mske us better down back i just cross my fingers for him.
One more gun mid will really help. As many say i reckon sos will trade our first rounder for the best he can snag. We can only play a small in the middle for short bursts until they get bigger. But they will get bigger. Shuey started as a skinny kid once remember.
The fwd line will be better when charles and mitch are fit. I don't know if we can play 3 talls but if it works we will be very hard to stop. At worst we play the 2 best and get serious competition for spots. Really Kennedy and Jack are fighting for the same spot. We desperately need a magic small fwd. Having said that i am growing very fond of young Gibbons. He's a bloody ripper. A real fighter. And a neat kick and can snag a goal.
I think we'll get 2 more wins or get very close. Bring on 2020.
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