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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #15
I'm looking forward to this game.
I think we'll learn a bit about where we really sit and any issues we may have.
A few questions might get some answers.
There has been an incredible gap between our best and worst football this season.

Is there a fitness issue? That may not necessarily be a total negative depending on training loads and where we sit in the training cycles...but it may be leaving players struggling at the end of games.

Is the game plan we are trying to develop just a bit in front of where we are physically and as the  season progresses will we handle those physical pressures better?

Is it more a mental issue. We get leads and relax just that little bit. Both our own players and the opposition have in the back of their minds that Carlton can be a bit flaky and susceptible to wilting. When it begins it's hard to reverse.

In games like the Gold Coast did we go in a bit overconfident, thinking the task would be easier and weren't prepared for the pressure they brought.

Some of these things aren't new, they've become ingrained over the last few years.
Reversing some of these issues is one of Voss's goals...and it may take the best part of the year to see how he manages the task.

The thing about the up-coming game is that there will be no illusions.
Don't come prepared, or drop the effort after getting a good lead, and Fremantle will punish us ruthlessly.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #16
It will probably be a tough contest but I suspect that Freo is just a tad over-rated.  After all, the teams they've beaten sit 13th to 16th on the ladder and we've beaten the 8th, 10th and 11th teams  :)

If Cripps is fit to play, Newnes has to go out.  Dow will miss out again and no-one in the magoos really put their hand up apart from Plowman.  I can't see Plowman coming back in at this stage.
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Reply #17
Andrew Brayshaw is the key. He is their Cripps, a contested ball beast who can generate momentum. If Hewitt can keep him quiet in the 1st quarter, we might just get away to a flyer. Then again, Will Brodie is also doing well at winning contested possessions, so it's not as simple as keeping Brayshaw quiet.

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Reply #18
As much as Silvagni gives his all, not sure we can ask him to go up against Lobb. TDK probably needs to play this week, irrespective of his VFL form on the weekend.

One thing we need is a bit of pace....watching that Freo game, they were very quick on the outside and it's not an area we're overly blessed with. IMO, I'd have Dow in the team this week and play him off a wing even if Cripps comes back in. Setterfield needs to be dropped...forget the stats, he's not contributing at all and lost count of the number of panic handballs he made to a team mate under more pressure.

I'm not sold on Parks at this stage. Young was good in his first game for us but has looked very shaky in recent weeks. He's good for the spoil in a contest but that's about it when the ball hits the ground...too many panic decisions.

Maybe Fisher and Dow on the wings? I thought Sunday was probably Fish's best game this year and he used the ball really well.

Cottrell lacks nothing in endeavour but his disposal lets him down but I thought he was pretty good in the latter stages. Newnes....hmm...not sold on him either. I think we can do better and he's not the future.

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Reply #19
As much as Silvagni gives his all, not sure we can ask him to go up against Lobb. TDK probably needs to play this week, irrespective of his VFL form on the weekend.

One thing we need is a bit of pace....watching that Freo game, they were very quick on the outside and it's not an area we're overly blessed with. IMO, I'd have Dow in the team this week and play him off a wing even if Cripps comes back in. Setterfield needs to be dropped...forget the stats, he's not contributing at all and lost count of the number of panic handballs he made to a team mate under more pressure.

I'm not sold on Parks at this stage. Young was good in his first game for us but has looked very shaky in recent weeks. He's good for the spoil in a contest but that's about it when the ball hits the ground...too many panic decisions.

Maybe Fisher and Dow on the wings? I thought Sunday was probably Fish's best game this year and he used the ball really well.

Cottrell lacks nothing in endeavour but his disposal lets him down but I thought he was pretty good in the latter stages. Newnes....hmm...not sold on him either. I think we can do better and he's not the future.
I'm a fan of Dow on the wing, agree on Setterfield and Parks.
Cottrell was ok and gives you effort and I thought was good when the game was on the line. Not the future but a steady Indian until we get a few others up to speed like Honey, Carroll, Philp.....


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Reply #20
Is Bailey Banfield Jack Silvagni's secret twin? Frederick has a bit of toe. Maybe Saad would be a good matchup albeit he gives away a couple of inches. What's happened to Sonny Walters? He's fallen off a cliff. There was a time he'd generate a lot of talk at match committee about how to curb his influence. Hayden Young is a HBF with elite disposal by foot. Might be worth having a defensive forward to look after him.

 

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Reply #21
We need to inject speed around our clearances, Dow needs to come in and when Cunningham is ready same with him, the wing position is now a specialist player who can run all day, one defensively and the other offensively for me O'Brien and Cottrell fit the bill.

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Reply #22
Against Freo, how do we deal with their twin towers? Rory Lobb at 207/106 & Matt Taberner 198/98 will be a handful and that probably means Lewis Young is a selection certainty.

On Footy Classified last night, Kane Cornes did a spot on how Taberner has improved his goals per game steadily over a decade to become a very good KPF. He did this in part by a bit of statistical legerdemain: he noted Taberner has so far this season kicked an average of 3.8 goals per game. The reason why that's probably a bit misleading is that he kicked 7 of them against Essendon on the weekend, meaning he's only kicked 4 goals in the other 2 games he's played. Maybe kicking 7 against an imploding Essendon is an outlier whose influence over the average may fade as the season goes on. Still, he's a big enough threat to draw Weitering as an opponent, especially as my impression of Lobb is that he prefers to play as the leading forward which would drag Weitering out of position.

Freo also have a natural defender to put on Harry: Alex Pearce stands at 201/99. Sean Darcy at 203/112 in the ruck might be a grind for Pittonet who might need a bit of help.
Darcy from memory was a good player last time Freo played and I agree he will be hard work and IMO we need TDK back in because Lobb while not an A grade ruckman is a big unit and we cant keep asking JSOS to play on bonefide rucks with a big size advantage.
Freo looked like they have moved on from the Fyfe/Mundy era and are looking to their kids like Brayshaw, Serong, Brodie and ODriscoll. Reckon this will be a tight game and I dont expect Taberner, Curnow or McKay to kick bags but will require a 4 quarter effort from most players and not half a game like in previous weeks....

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Reply #23
Darcy from memory was a good player last time Freo played and I agree he will be hard work and IMO we need TDK back in because Lobb while not an A grade ruckman is a big unit and we cant keep asking JSOS to play on bonefide rucks with a big size advantage.
Freo looked like they have moved on from the Fyfe/Mundy era and are looking to their kids like Brayshaw, Serong, Brodie and ODriscoll. Reckon this will be a tight game and I dont expect Taberner, Curnow or McKay to kick bags but will require a 4 quarter effort from most players and not half a game like in previous weeks....
Yep Darcy smashed TDK, but we had no Pitto. Dow was BoG, might be the right time to unleash the beast!

Brayshaw and Cerra had good games against us, but it was mostly with no Cripps who was injured early.

If I recall Weiters had a good day, but they'll have an extra tall this time around.
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Reply #24
I agree that we have to play two rucks against Freo but is De Koning up to contesting against Darcy and Lobb?

If McDonald's good to go, I'd prefer to see his strength, experience and maturity put to the test.  Alternatively, McDonald could slot back in as KPD and Young could have the back up ruck duties.  I know Young is inexperienced but he seems more comfortable in a test of strength than De Koning.

If we do bring in a second ruck, who goes out?
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Reply #25
I agree that we have to play two rucks against Freo but is De Koning up to contesting against Darcy and Lobb?
Doesn't have to be, he just needs to compete and make sure they don't get any respite, if not they will remain too fresh and dominate as the game goes on, especially given Taberner will also do some F50 stoppage work.

CheatsFC went in with three rucks and did OK but got smashed everywhere else, however Philips did a hammy in the 1st Qtr and it's after that when Freo launched so it may be a tell! I think it's a mistake trying to make TDK go head top head physically, his best gig at the moment is getting in the possession chain and on his bike to cover as much ground as possible and make himself a marking target.

If Cripps is out, we'll also have to come up with something to curtail Mundy who compliments Brodie and Serong nicely.

One thing I'd like to see is not having too many tals inside F50 at once, so primarily I'd want SoJ and TDK in the back 2/3rds of the ground and only push forward if BigH or Charlie are off or pushing up the ground themselves. We've got some reasonable users in the midfield and HBF flank now, we need to make better use of occasional smaller targets to mix things up.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #26
I agree that we have to play two rucks against Freo but is De Koning up to contesting against Darcy and Lobb?

If McDonald's good to go, I'd prefer to see his strength, experience and maturity put to the test.  Alternatively, McDonald could slot back in as KPD and Young could have the back up ruck duties.  I know Young is inexperienced but he seems more comfortable in a test of strength than De Koning.

If we do bring in a second ruck, who goes out?

They both get blown over by a stiff breeze imho.  Young not up to it competitively and needs to run and jump at it ala De Koning.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #27
They both get blown over by a stiff breeze imho.  Young not up to it competitively and needs to run and jump at it ala De Koning.
Based on the last few games, IMO Young is more use to us that TDK. The latter has a very long way to go. As a footballer, his younger brother down the highway has gone passed him at a rate of knots.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #28
Do you think we're more likely to beat North or Melbourne? Where do you think the bookies would fix the line in those 2 games?

Cheeky fella.

Kangabies, of course, but that does not mean it'll be easy and nor should it be approached as such. A 'should win', of course. But again, that doesn't mean it'll be easy.
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Reply #29
Perhaps we can compromise by saying "relatively easy"  ;D