Hawthorn lost to North in Tassie. Can we manage it at the MCG?
Not much love for next week's game. Not that I blame anyone.
Not much love for next week's game. Not that I blame anyone.
A game we should win but more than likely won’t.
50/50 game.. We should win but with a couple of banged up players, and now Harry sore I wouldn't be expecting an easy game from the Hawks on the rebound.
Usually they play a physical brand and rough us up. Like to see TDK play this week as well as Josh Honey..
Lose this and Teague's ticket will be stamped.... If it isn't already.
I honestly don't know if I even care ...
More than anything, injuries (carried over from 2020 or during this truly wretched season) have killed us for 2021.
If BigH plays, watch Clarkson's unsociable Dawks work over BigH right shoulder. They'll be hanging off it, coming over it, and driving him into the ground on his right side!
They'll do well against us, bag Bolton all you like but he is 2IC at the Dawks now and has all the intelligence on our players.
50/50 game.. We should win but with a couple of banged up players, and now Harry sore I wouldn't be expecting an easy game from the Hawks on the rebound.
Usually they play a physical brand and rough us up. Like to see TDK play this week as well as Josh Honey..
Teague says H is better, been carrying a sore shoulder for a few weeks. Reckons it was better this week than last.
If BigH plays, watch Clarkson's unsociable Dawks work over BigH right shoulder. They'll be hanging off it, coming over it, and driving him into the ground on his right side!
They'll do well against us, bag Bolton all you like but he is 2IC at the Dawks now and has all the intelligence on our players.
As should we with any of their players with niggles. Time to kent up.
As should we with any of their players with niggles. Time to kent up.
We do not have the players to execute anti-social football, we gave them all the lemonsars!
Not much love for next week's game. Not that I blame anyone.
This week be the first game I'll be going to in a couple years. Work and circumstances have meant tv viewing fir a while. It'll be good to get back to it.
Better be a win as I'll have my little ones in toe.
We do not have the players to execute anti-social football, we gave them all the lemonsars!
Its all about attitude my friend. Cripps, Stocker, Owies, Cottrell, Fogarty and Pitto all have kent, use it. Even Doc used to have it, needs to find it again.
Its all about attitude my friend. Cripps, Stocker, Owies, Cottrell, Fogarty and Pitto all have kent, use it. Even Doc used to have it, needs to find it again.
Less testosterone now I suspect. :o
Too soon?
Its all about attitude my friend. Cripps, Stocker, Owies, Cottrell, Fogarty and Pitto all have kent, use it. Even Doc used to have it, needs to find it again.
Maybe, but it's not been a trait of our club for a long long time, when it comes to argy-bargy we tend to go down the safe workplace route, and we've certainly had our share of those who dissert at the first sign of trouble!
I'm warming to Stocker....his kicking can let him down but he cracks in really hard. Should be played every week from here on in either in the middle or as a lock down type.
Surely TDK comes in this week and I'd still keep Levi in and stretch them up forward.
Hopefully Silvagni slots straight back in for Cunningham.
I'm warming to Stocker....his kicking can let him down but he cracks in really hard. Should be played every week from here on in either in the middle or as a lock down type.
Surely TDK comes in this week and I'd still keep Levi in and stretch them up forward.
Hopefully Silvagni slots straight back in for Cunningham.
This is one of my big concerns about our club, as a junior this kids kicking was elite.
LP we seemed to have made an art form out of bringing in talented youngsters and turning them into very average players or players with average skills.
LP we seemed to have made an art form out of bringing in talented youngsters and turning them into very average players or players with average skills.
We've been doing it for years.
I let out a cheer when I saw Stocker in the middle and paid close attention to his kicking, which I thought was passable, good decision making and you can't question his toughness around th eball.
One thing I was disappointed in was when he kicked his first goal, not many game over the celebrate with him, just makes me think, on the back of him leaving the bubble last year, is he a valued member of the club?
Thought exactly the same thing Raydan....was trying to remember if he'd kicked a goal previously or not but just assumed he had by the non-reaction of team mates.
I let out a cheer when I saw Stocker in the middle and paid close attention to his kicking, which I thought was passable, good decision making and you can't question his toughness around th eball.
One thing I was disappointed in was when he kicked his first goal, not many game over the celebrate with him, just makes me think, on the back of him leaving the bubble last year, is he a valued member of the club?
Yep i noticed that too. Very odd not a great look. As you say he had a hard time last year and for only a few to get around him speak volumes. Surely the group is no that disconnected but makes you wonder as when was the last time a team 'forgets' to celebrate a young player kicking his first goal.
Thought exactly the same thing Raydan....was trying to remember if he'd kicked a goal previously or not but just assumed he had by the non-reaction of team mates.
According to Twitter and AFL Tables it was his first AFL goal.
I reckon not many knew it was his first AFL goal.
Wasnt really his first goal, he kicked one for the opposition a week or two back...😉
They will be hauled over the coals by Clarkson for an inept loss to North, so we'll catch them with a point to prove, we'll come out and play the same way we always do, yet Clarkson will have devised a plan and will cut us up.
At least Teague will calm the members down in his after game conference by saying that's not how we want to play ::)
We need someone other than Harry that comes at the ball, Jack does but must be underdone after missing games, SPS does but has had confidence stripped away from him.
Actually when you consider what our forward line should look like with Charlie, Martin and McGovern all missing it's not wonder we can't kick a score. All three lead at the ball carrier, which would open up of forward 50 and give space to Harry and Eddie to operate.
Take McDonald, Brown and Fritsch out of Melbourne's forward line and let's see how they go.
^^
Kennett came out on SEN last week and stated that winning isnt a priority for them at the moment. They will hit the draft hard this year and next year and aim to contend in 2023.
They let a winning lead go by conceding 4 in a row to North in the 3rd quarter. My guess is that they will lose it as much as we will win it, because they are going the tank.
Out - Casboult, Plowman, Cuningham (inj)
In - De Koning, Silvagni, Durdin
Gibbons to the backline as a small defender.
Out - Casboult, Plowman, Cuningham (inj)
In - De Koning, Silvagni, Durdin
Gibbons to the backline as a small defender.
Gibbons needs to exit for a while, to get himself back to the football basics, we don't need a guy staging for cheap frees inside our D50.
While I appreciate why people want Durdin or Honey, it sends to the wrong message, they have been playing some nice cameos but neither has played 4 qtrs.
Gibbons needs to exit for a while, to get himself back to the football basics, we don't need a guy staging for cheap frees inside our D50.
While I appreciate why people want Durdin or Honey, it sends to the wrong message, they have been playing some nice cameos but neither has played 4 qtrs.
I agree. Gibbo needs a few VFL games under his belt, where he is getting lots of ball and remembering the intensity he brought to the game when he first started. It didn't matter that he wasn't that quick then, because he wanted the pill. Very different at the moment.
I wouldn't be bringing Durdin in until he starts kicking a few more goals. As a small forward he isn't going to get 30+ possessions very often. I love his tackling and chasing and his (relative) pace. But he isn't going to get 30+ possessions in the seniors either, so her needs goals. I don't think he is far off it. He does some nice things, but if he is going to be the small forward we need, he heeds to kick a bag in the two's first.
I feel similarly about Honey. he is doing some nice things and making people notice him, but he hasn't had a bag yet. he works far enough up-ground that he can garner more possessions that he can in starvation corner, but I would still like to see some more.
Like Durdin, I don't think he is far off getting a game or three, but I wouldn't gift him one now.
We definitely need a medium forward to come in. I'd be tempted to upgrade Crocker, but for the fact that he leads and we ignore leads.
That actually really annoys me, as bombing the ball into the forward line, especially when it is packed, is just not thinking football. Yet we do it, especially when it isn't working.
Last week Melbourne had 3 tall defenders and 3 tall forwards. We had 2 tall forwards and 2 tall defenders. It was a recipe for disaster.
Our defence managed to contain 2 of the three Melbourne forwards, but McDonald hurt us.
Our forward line didn't take many marks because their tall defence always had the extra man up. It didn't matter of we had an extra small forward, because the ball was guided or marked. Using Gibbons or Owies as a marking target against May or Lever was just silly, but that was how it worked it. They played Petty on Levi and mixed and matched to deal with H.
Had we kicked the ball short to Lever's opponent, we could have totally embarrassed Melbourne. But we didn't, which made it easy for Lever and May.
Jack Silvagni would have been a better option, because he could compete against Lever body-wise. he is someone we do sometimes kick the ball to, and his desperation would keep the ball in our forward line.
With respect to the Hawks, just apply heat on the ball carrier and Carlton will end up turning it over. The question is; can the Hawks then capitalise on our mistakes? If so then they will win. If not, we will stumble over the line.
I suspect Sam Walsh may be the difference in the end with composure under pressure, ability to play four quarters and just better all-round judgement. Clarkson will have problems tagging both Cripps and Walsh, while also winning the midfield. Who knows, maybe Zac Williams will produce something this weekend. I post in hope more than expectation.
Out - Casboult, Plowman, Cuningham (inj)
In - De Koning, Silvagni, Durdin
Gibbons to the backline as a small defender.
Quite like this idea - players need a defined role, if Gibbons can't make the 22 as a designated mid - and it appears the SF role is covered presently (with Martin coming back too), why not the SD role?
He is quick enough but more importantly has footy smarts - and doesn't shirk the issue...
Gibbons needs to exit for a while, to get himself back to the football basics, we don't need a guy staging for cheap frees inside our D50.
While I appreciate why people want Durdin or Honey, it sends to the wrong message, they have been playing some nice cameos but neither has played 4 qtrs.
I think Gibbons needs a fresh challenge. Think he has the footy nous and skillset to become a decent small defender. Throw the challenge out to him. As for Honey and Durdin, similar, throw the challenge and opportunity to them. Durdin particularly plays with the intensity most of our senior team lack.
I think Gibbons needs a fresh challenge. Think he has the footy nous and skillset to become a decent small defender. Throw the challenge out to him. As for Honey and Durdin, similar, throw the challenge and opportunity to them. Durdin particularly plays with the intensity most of our senior team lack.
Not enough yet, nowhere near enough for AFL, he goes missing for extended periods at VFL level, the same for Honey.
Fisher when fit is a mile ahead of them in this regard, we must not confuse injury with a lack of influence or ability.
If Fisher was fit I think Gibbons would have taken a holiday some weeks ago, I'd like to see SPS in the Gibbons role.
I don't get what is going on with SPS, one week as emergency he comes on and has significant influence, then he is made emergency again and he looks demoralised.
I'm a bit tired of the HBF stuff, like HBF is where you hide someone when you do not know where else to play them!
Durdin's miles off from what I've seen.
Owies, Betts, Martin, JSOS, Harry and Levi/TDK.
Not enough yet, nowhere near enough for AFL, he goes missing for extended periods at VFL level, the same for Honey.
Fisher when fit is a mile ahead of them in this regard, we must not confuse injury with a lack of influence or ability.
If Fisher was fit I think Gibbons would have taken a holiday some weeks ago, I'd like to see SPS in the Gibbons role.
I don't get what is going on with SPS, one week as emergency he comes on and has significant influence, then he is made emergency again and he looks demoralised.
I'm a bit tired of the HBF stuff, like HBF is where you hide someone when you do not know where else to play them!
"Mugs to the backline"
I agree. Gibbo needs a few VFL games under his belt, where he is getting lots of ball and remembering the intensity he brought to the game when he first started. It didn't matter that he wasn't that quick then, because he wanted the pill. Very different at the moment.
I wouldn't be bringing Durdin in until he starts kicking a few more goals. As a small forward he isn't going to get 30+ possessions very often. I love his tackling and chasing and his (relative) pace. But he isn't going to get 30+ possessions in the seniors either, so her needs goals. I don't think he is far off it. He does some nice things, but if he is going to be the small forward we need, he heeds to kick a bag in the two's first.
I feel similarly about Honey. he is doing some nice things and making people notice him, but he hasn't had a bag yet. he works far enough up-ground that he can garner more possessions that he can in starvation corner, but I would still like to see some more.
Like Durdin, I don't think he is far off getting a game or three, but I wouldn't gift him one now.
We definitely need a medium forward to come in. I'd be tempted to upgrade Crocker, but for the fact that he leads and we ignore leads.
That actually really annoys me, as bombing the ball into the forward line, especially when it is packed, is just not thinking football. Yet we do it, especially when it isn't working.
Last week Melbourne had 3 tall defenders and 3 tall forwards. We had 2 tall forwards and 2 tall defenders. It was a recipe for disaster.
Our defence managed to contain 2 of the three Melbourne forwards, but McDonald hurt us.
Our forward line didn't take many marks because their tall defence always had the extra man up. It didn't matter of we had an extra small forward, because the ball was guided or marked. Using Gibbons or Owies as a marking target against May or Lever was just silly, but that was how it worked it. They played Petty on Levi and mixed and matched to deal with H.
Had we kicked the ball short to Lever's opponent, we could have totally embarrassed Melbourne. But we didn't, which made it easy for Lever and May.
Jack Silvagni would have been a better option, because he could compete against Lever body-wise. he is someone we do sometimes kick the ball to, and his desperation would keep the ball in our forward line.
There is a significant disconnect between team selection and gameplan. If we are to go into a game against elite tall intercept marking defenders with a mosquito fleet, surely the forward 50 entry method has to be tweaked. Similarly, if we have two genuine tall defenders trying to defend three genuine tall forwards, our defensive set up has to focus on providing cover for our stretched third tallish defender as well as not allowing mismatches :(
Playing Gibbo as a small defender is a good idea, and it should be trialled in the VFL.
This game will be won and lost in the coaches box, make no mistake about it.
This game will be won and lost in the coaches box, make no mistake about it.
We've only beaten them once in 15 years and that was with Bolton at the helm!
We've only beaten them once in 15 years and that was with Bolton at the helm!
Last 50 games
LLWWWLLLWLLLWWWWWWWLWWWWWLLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLL
We had a nice patch which ended 25 games ago.
Last 50 games
Dinosaursus - LLWWWLLLWLLLWWWWWWWLWWWWW - 2000 - LLLLLWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLLL - 2021
We had a nice patch which ended 25 games ago.
25 games is almost 25 years! ;)
https://www.finalsiren.com/PreviousGames.asp?PrevTeam1ID=1&PrevTeam2ID=2&Team1ID=14&Team2ID=16#Games
Now a win next weekend is make or break, Pheww, tough school!
There is a significant disconnect between team selection and gameplan. If we are to go into a game against elite tall intercept marking defenders with a mosquito fleet, surely the forward 50 entry method has to be tweaked. Similarly, if we have two genuine tall defenders trying to defend three genuine tall forwards, our defensive set up has to focus on providing cover for our stretched third tallish defender as well as not allowing mismatches :(
Playing Gibbo as a small defender is a good idea, and it should be trialled in the VFL.
When I hear Carlton and small defender, I always think Des English!
When I hear Carlton and small defender, I always think Des English!
When defenders could actually defend.
Still got nightmares from the game over here last year......looked a million dollars in the first 20 minutes of the first quarter and kicked 5 goals to nothing and had the Hawks on the ropes. Then, par for the course, unable to play 4 quarters of footy and they literally walked past us and we couldn't keep up. Hopefully we can turn up to play and put on a good show for our new coach!!! :D :D
Gibbons isnt great in the air and is used to being the hunted, dont think he would have minded a player too much in his career.
I can see him on Liam Ryan, Shai Bolton etc being used as a tiny step ladder......
As most know I am a fan of VFL players and moneyballing a few onto the list and Gibbons has more than paid us back for the opportunity to play senior AFL footy but he is a limited player. He does a capable job when resting forward and onball but his size, lack of a yard of pace and lack of depth in his kicking makes him depth only IMO.
He reminds me of Anthony Miles from Richmond who was a very handy backup player but could never bridge the gap to become a main event player. Think we need to get a real small defender, we did well with imports like Matty Hogg, Dean Rice etc and you look at the Dogs who got Taylor Duryea as a freebie and I think we need to go down that path.
They must be a good kicking player who can keep their head under pressure as well as be capable defenders.
Gibbons isnt great in the air and is used to being the hunted, dont think he would have minded a player too much in his career.
I can see him on Liam Ryan, Shai Bolton etc being used as a tiny step ladder......
As most know I am a fan of VFL players and moneyballing a few onto the list and Gibbons has more than paid us back for the opportunity to play senior AFL footy but he is a limited player. He does a capable job when resting forward and onball but his size, lack of a yard of pace and lack of depth in his kicking makes him depth only IMO.
He reminds me of Anthony Miles from Richmond who was a very handy backup player but could never bridge the gap to become a main event player. Think we need to get a real small defender, we did well with imports like Matty Hogg, Dean Rice etc and you look at the Dogs who got Taylor Duryea as a freebie and I think we need to go down that path.
They must be a good kicking player who can keep their head under pressure as well as be capable defenders.
Need a small defender? Liam Baker out of contract this year, any chance the Richmond Bloke can shoot him a text?
"Mugs to the backline"
One of my late fathers first pieces of wisdom to me about football....
Need a small defender? Liam Baker out of contract this year, any chance the Richmond Bloke can shoot him a text?
You never know if you dont ask but I'd suspect he would be fairly loyal to the Tigers unless they short change him to
keep a few other players who may be asking for some more dollars. eg Shai Bolton..
"Mugs to the backline"
It’s amazing how often that pays off ::)
I remember Gordon Collis not getting a touch at CHF. He was switched to CHB and won a well-deserved Brownlow :)
And most of my footy career was spent in the backline with the other mugs :)
It’s amazing how often that pays off ::)
I remember Gordon Collis not getting a touch at CHF. He was switched to CHB and won a well-deserved Brownlow :)
And most of my footy career was spent in the backline with the other mugs :)
I only played school footy and social games but I was what you would refer to as nuggety back pocket who didn't give an inch.
Need a small defender? Liam Baker out of contract this year, any chance the Richmond Bloke can shoot him a text?
GI2C have you seen how good he is on the ball & resting forward.
I only played school footy and social games but I was what you would refer to as nuggety back pocket who didn't give an inch.
Exactly what we need
Just listened to TT Presser.
I reckon JSOS for Cunners and thats it folks.
Martin another week, TDK reserves....
Just listened to TT Presser.
I reckon JSOS for Cunners and thats it folks.
Martin another week, TDK reserves....
Yup sounds about right
Just listened to TT Presser.
I reckon JSOS for Cunners and thats it folks.
Martin another week, TDK reserves....
Yup sounds about right
Demoralising. Not that Jack is back but that others are still getting a game.
I only played school footy and social games but I was what you would refer to as nuggety back pocket who didn't give an inch.
Hopefully you're in the mid-season draft...lol.
Just listened to TT Presser.
I reckon JSOS for Cunners and thats it folks.
Martin another week, TDK reserves....
Seriously WTF!
I have a sneaking suspicion that Crippa is going to play a blinder this week......
I have a sneaking suspicion that Crippa is going to play a blinder this week......
Tend to agree, contract is nearly settled so that pressure is off and the Hawks dont have a comparable mid who can both tag and cause us damage like Oliver did last week, other gave Cripps votes last week but Oliver was Cripps man and I thought he had the better of that battle.
Hawks have used Howe on Cripps before with a bit of success, Howe goes the dirty route and plays a full negative tag..
Exactly what we need
My height is still nuggety back pocket, my weight is probably KPD these days but Ill give it a crack.
GI2C have you seen how good he is on the ball & resting forward.
He is extremely versatile and just goes out and does whatever the coach asks whether it be back, fwd or mid. Many clubs will be knocking on his door later this year.
He is extremely versatile and just goes out and does whatever the coach asks whether it be back, fwd or mid. Many clubs will be knocking on his door later this year.
How many players do the Tigers lose?....we have been waiting for a fire sale for a while but they just move their fringe players on.
I think Castagna is a more likely type we could poach given they seem to produce small forwards every year.
How many players do the Tigers lose?....we have been waiting for a fire sale for a while but they just move their fringe players on.
I think Castagna is a more likely type we could poach given they seem to produce small forwards every year.
From all reports a very astute footy brain and is very important to their "system". Like Edwards makes alot of on field positional calls is what I am told.
From all reports a very astute footy brain and is very important to their "system". Like Edwards makes alot of on field positional calls is what I am told.
Fair points, I think he is well liked too and part of that inner core group that the Tigers would want to keep together...its probably the fringe players again like Caddy, maybe McIntosh they will move on.
JSOS and TDK are in. Cunningham inj, Casboult rested, Parks are out.
JSOS and TDK are in. Cunningham inj, Casboult rested, Parks are out.
That means Gibbons stays in too
Not a bad change really.
Wonder who the sub will be?
Emerg: Honey, Casboult, Newnes, Kennedy
That means Gibbons stays in too.
Yes.
I can live with that. Medical sub won’t be Levi. I’d back Kennedy. Offers more versatility than the others. Newnes needs form, Honey needs consistency.
Gibbons should consider himself lucky no one is knocking down the door in the 2s.
Gibbons obviously did enough last week. 9 touches and a goal for a full game
JSOS and TDK are in. Cunningham inj, Casboult rested, Parks are out.
Do not understand the Parks out.
I can live with that. Medical sub won’t be Levi. I’d back Kennedy. Offers more versatility than the others. Newnes needs form, Honey needs consistency.
Exactly what I was thinking
Gibbons obviously did enough last week. 9 touches and a goal for a full game
Gee we're setting the bar low if that keeps you in.
It's good to see De Koning back in the 22 although I'm not convinced that we can rely on him as a key forward. Jack will have work extra hard ... and kick straight.
I'm not sure how Gibbons gets promoted to the 22. I guess we need someone to point and yell a lot ::)
That should be his cue to play a blinder ...
Do not understand the Parks out.
Check the colour of his jocks, there is your answer.
I can live with that. Medical sub won’t be Levi. I’d back Kennedy. Offers more versatility than the others. Newnes needs form, Honey needs consistency.
Kennedy would be my first choice.
Honey 2nd.....sometimes you just need some new blood and enthusiasm.
Newnes 3rd.
And very telling IMO, no SPS.
I try to understand the journey we're on, and as such I've haven't been too upset by our season thus far. It seems to be panning out about right for where we are at IMO - but I'd be pretty disappointed if we don't win this one. The Hawks are struggling at the moment, their ins are blokes I've never heard of, we play at the G etc. If this isn't winnable, I'm not sure what game is.
And very telling IMO, no SPS.
Yep. He may be looking at a ticket back to WA?
Good to see TDK and SOJ return.
Absolutely confused that Casboult is named as 'managed' then named as an emergency... WTF!
Also good to see Williams named on the HBF... play him into form in a familiar position and to EARN a midfield spot.
Yep. He may be looking at a ticket back to WA?
We're sponsored by Virgin
@cookie2 :) Seriously though, I think he's headed west,
Good to see TDK and SOJ return.
Absolutely confused that Casboult is named as 'managed' then named as an emergency... WTF!
Also good to see Williams named on the HBF... play him into form in a familiar position and to EARN a midfield spot.
Dunno @Baggers ... maybe if Harry's a late out?
I don't have any confidence in us winning this game. The abysmal performance by the selection team gets worse and worse. Gibbons, gets dropped. Somehow ends up as the emergency, then destiny dictates he plays a full game. Does SFA, again, but somehow that is good enough to get him back in the team. Morons the lot of them. The person I feel for the most is Paddy Dow. Was going OK before getting a busted eye and they drop him for getting subbed. Pathetic. Levi finally get the "rest" he so richly deserves, but I got a bad feeling he'll get a late recall. Parks wasn't that good last week but he just came back from a injury didn't he? No 2nd chances for blokes like him but Gibbons/Levi/Setterfield/Murphy get multiple cracks? Drives me nuts what they base these decisions on.
I try to understand the journey we're on, and as such I've haven't been too upset by our season thus far. It seems to be panning out about right for where we are at IMO - but I'd be pretty disappointed if we don't win this one. The Hawks are struggling at the moment, their ins are blokes I've never heard of, we play at the G etc. If this isn't winnable, I'm not sure what game is.
100% Paul.
Kennedy would be my first choice.
Honey 2nd.....sometimes you just need some new blood and enthusiasm.
Newnes 3rd.
Sadly though, Kennedy seems to underperform when he does get an opportunity in the AFL team; 16 disposals and two tackles in two games this season isn't anywhere near the output you need/expect from mid/forward in his 6th season.
I'd bank on the new blood and enthusiasm and give Honey a go.
I try to understand the journey we're on, and as such I've haven't been too upset by our season thus far. It seems to be panning out about right for where we are at IMO - but I'd be pretty disappointed if we don't win this one. The Hawks are struggling at the moment, their ins are blokes I've never heard of, we play at the G etc. If this isn't winnable, I'm not sure what game is.
We Are Carlton
Sadly though, Kennedy seems to underperform when he does get an opportunity in the AFL team; 16 disposals and two tackles in two games this season isn't anywhere near the output you need/expect from mid/forward in his 6th season.
I'd bank on the new blood and enthusiasm and give Honey a go.
Hopefully, we don't need him!
But if we lose a KPP, he can go play FF (with Jack), switch someone else back if required.
If its a mid, he can play there too.
But yes, he underperforms and i'd have him gone at the end of the year.
If it was for the 22nd player, rather than 23rd player, i'd go Honey or Newnes before Kennedy.
We Are Carlton
I know, but we can't be "that" Carlton forever.
Ned Reeves...211cm Ruckman......lets hope he cant play.
Sadly though, Kennedy seems to underperform when he does get an opportunity in the AFL team; 16 disposals and two tackles in two games this season isn't anywhere near the output you need/expect from mid/forward in his 6th season.
I'd bank on the new blood and enthusiasm and give Honey a go.
He was the sub v the Suns....then Rd 5 Teague plays him on a wing.....
Is that giving a 23yo a fair crack?
Hopefully, we don't need him!
But if we lose a KPP, he can go play FF (with Jack), switch someone else back if required.
If its a mid, he can play there too.
But yes, he underperforms and i'd have him gone at the end of the year.
If it was for the 22nd player, rather than 23rd player, i'd go Honey or Newnes before Kennedy.
We wouldn't know whether he underperforms or not.
I know, but we can't be "that" Carlton forever.
Agree, but...
Another player Carlton has effectively neutered....
We should beat Hawthorn and beat them fairly well if we are progressing, to lose to them like we have in the past or just fall over the line would be disappointing . They have a decent onball division but not much else...Blues by 5-6 goals.
Teague in his presser today talked about a book he is reading which talks about "light bulb moments", they are all waiting for ours (ie where it pops and things happen). Careful Teaguey, there are many at Carlton who are all about conservation of energy and are very quick to turn lights off when they are left on for too long.
Teague in his presser today talked about a book he is reading which talks about "light bulb moments", they are all waiting for ours (ie where it pops and things happen). Careful Teaguey, there are many at Carlton who are all about conservation of energy and are very quick to turn lights off when they are left on for too long.
I don't know about being left on too long. Some blokes don't even know where the switch is!
I don't know about being left on too long. Some blokes don't even know where the switch is!
With some, a switch was never installed.
With some, a switch was never installed.
I think some are still living in a cave.
Teague in his presser today talked about a book he is reading which talks about "light bulb moments", they are all waiting for ours (ie where it pops and things happen)..................
Yes, it's called Atomic Habits. I know nothing about the book, but it looks like a bestseller with 40k+ positive reviews on Amazon.
Here are the scenarios.
1. We lose. Bar 10 players going off injured, and playing men short, in that scenario Teague is under mammoth pressure for the rest of the year as the cracks really start to split into chasms at the club, we end up in dissaray, and he eventually runs out of time, and chances. This is our worst case scenario.
2. We win, just. The teague train is more little engine that could at the moment, and a so so win would simply be more of the same neither here nor there. This is being truthful, our most likely scenario.
3. We belt the living crap out of the hawks. Make a statement that the Teague Train is finally getting going this season, with a statement performance from a few players led by captain Cripps. As much as I would like this scenario, it seems unlikely.
With Clarkson in the box, it remains a danger game. We need a win, and not just a win, a good win but we seem a bit fragile, and I just cant see it happening. I dont think we will lose, but its more of the same from us, and that just leaves us plodding a long for now, which is about right for our team given the infirmary list. Hopefully Setterfield, cripps and williams all make a statement this week, because he and we desperately need them to find some form, and some belief.
He was the sub v the Suns....then Rd 5 Teague plays him on a wing.....
Is that giving a 23yo a fair crack?
Probably a fairer crack than he deserves.
Cuningham has been landed with the ‘Cameo’ label but young Matthew is far more deserving.
Kennedy was supposed to be the big bodied mid who would give Cripps a chop out. Perhaps he will, but he’s going to have to show an exponential improvement.
And very telling IMO, no SPS.
Yes, I think that’s solid evidence that the MC has NFI :(
Probably a fairer crack than he deserves.
Cuningham has been landed with the ‘Cameo’ label but young Matthew is far more deserving.
Kennedy was supposed to be the big bodied mid who would give Cripps a chop out. Perhaps he will, but he’s going to have to show an exponential improvement.
Any chance we had of Kennedy coming on have been rendered a bit moot by the rules this season. He is a bit one paced, which our midfield simply cant use more of.
We cant play Kennedy, Gibbons and Setterfield through the same midfield.
3. We belt the living crap out of the hawks. Make a statement that the Teague Train is finally getting going this season, with a statement performance from a few players led by captain Cripps. As much as I would like this scenario, it seems unlikely.
With Clarkson in the box, it remains a danger game. We need a win, and not just a win, a good win but we seem a bit fragile, and I just cant see it happening.
Can i tell you how Clarko will beat us? (if he beats us)
Put extra players behind the ball, get the intercept mark from our poor kicking inside 50 and rebound all the way to goals.
Tag Walsh, let Cripps go free.
Lockdown on Saad.
Smother our better users and let give our poor kickers time and space to help their game plan.
Bookmark it.
Any chance we had of Kennedy coming on have been rendered a bit moot by the rules this season. He is a bit one paced, which our midfield simply cant use more of.
We cant play Kennedy, Gibbons and Setterfield through the same midfield.
Kennedy is a poor mans Jack Silvagni.
Play him as a hit-up forward.
Both CAN run through the midfield (remember Jack dominated Fyfe) but its not something that is likely to work too often.
Kennedy is a poor mans Jack Silvagni.
Play him as a hit-up forward.
Both CAN run through the midfield (remember Jack dominated Fyfe) but its not something that is likely to work too often.
Could do worse than have them change and rotate through.
On Kennedy, anyone have an idea how many games he played as a mid for us ?
Can i tell you how Clarko will beat us? (if he beats us)
Put extra players behind the ball, get the intercept mark from our poor kicking inside 50 and rebound all the way to goals.
Tag Walsh, let Cripps go free.
Lockdown on Saad.
Smother our better users and let give our poor kickers time and space to help their game plan.
Bookmark it.
I had a very pleasant meal tonight which included having a couple of cheeky reds. My mind wandered into a warm, fuzzy place and I began thinking it possible we could beat the Hawks.
Then I read your contribution and reality came crashing down on me.
It was as though a bandage had been ripped from an old wound and all the defeats at the hands of Hawthorn this century came flooding back into my mind.
My only escape is to open that bottle again.
Kennedy is a poor mans Jack Silvagni.
Play him as a hit-up forward.
Both CAN run through the midfield (remember Jack dominated Fyfe) but its not something that is likely to work too often.
Kennedy might be a poor mans Silvagni but at least he kicks straight. I love Silvagni for his endeavours but his lazy kicking takes all the momentum out of our charges forward and seems to always lead to the opposition getting a goal straight afterwards and releasing any pressure we have built up. Very slack style that he hasn’t worked on one bit to polish. Blokes like him need goals from their few set shot opportunities not coach killing points
I try to understand the journey we're on, and as such I've haven't been too upset by our season thus far. It seems to be panning out about right for where we are at IMO - but I'd be pretty disappointed if we don't win this one. The Hawks are struggling at the moment, their ins are blokes I've never heard of, we play at the G etc. If this isn't winnable, I'm not sure what game is.
That's pretty fair Paul. The only loss that I think is inexcusable is the Collingwood game. They are a rabble and we should have exploited their on and off field woes for a comfortable victory.
Hawthorn is probably fielding their weakest team in half a century and a loss to them could well cost Teague his job. Hopefully, he's up for the challenge and will have the players fired up to exploit a once feared nemesis.
Could do worse than have them change and rotate through.
On Kennedy, anyone have an idea how many games he played as a mid for us ?
Kennedy has played 31 games for us and I think that two of those were as a lead up forward.
Could do worse than have them change and rotate through.
On Kennedy, anyone have an idea how many games he played as a mid for us ?
Kennedy is a far better mid, a far better mark (and lead) and a far better shot at goal.
Goes just as hard as Jack too.
The two players are not like for like.
Speed? I'd suggest Kennedy has Jack covered (and people who diss Kennedy - a fit Kennedy - for being slow are simply wrong.
Perhaps Jack wins in endurance though.
Kennedy hasn't been settled in a position and there has always been rumours perhaps he can be a bit prickly to coach and likes to give his opinion. How many games in a row in the midfield has he really played?
I would have played him more but its probably too late now and he will be lucky to remain on the list.
I had a very pleasant meal tonight which included having a couple of cheeky reds. My mind wandered into a warm, fuzzy place and I began thinking it possible we could beat the Hawks.
Then I read your contribution and reality came crashing down on me.
It was as though a bandage had been ripped from an old wound and all the defeats at the hands of Hawthorn this century came flooding back into my mind.
My only escape is to open that bottle again.
Don't get me wrong, I think we'll win, but if we don't, that is why.
Kennedy played ten of the final 13 games of 2019. He hit the scoreboard in six of those games with a four goal haul against Gold Coast.
He touched the pill 15 and 16 times in two games but had under ten disposals in four games. He laid seven tackles against Adelaide but only nine over his other nine games.
Lochie O’Brien played in 17 games in 2019 and scored in six of them. He had more than 15 disposals in six games and less than ten disposals in five games. He averaged just over one tackle a game.
Lochie played mainly on the wing with some time in defence and Matt played mainly as an inside mid with a couple of games as a forward, so it’s not really comparing like with like. I don’t think that we can carry midfielders - inside or out - who manage less than 10 disposals in a game and don’t make their presence felt with lots of tackles.
Kennedy hasn't been settled in a position and there has always been rumours perhaps he can be a bit prickly to coach and likes to give his opinion. How many games in a row in the midfield has he really played?
I would have played him more but its probably too late now and he will be lucky to remain on the list.
I get the strong impression that he is way on the outer with the MC and or coaches for whatever reason(s).
The Age experts are all tipping a Carlton victory. Bob Murphy tipping that we'll win by 70 points. Pierik, Gleeson and McClure tipping a 1 point win.
The Age experts are all tipping a Carlton victory. Bob Murphy tipping that we'll win by 70 points. Pierik, Gleeson and McClure tipping a 1 point win.
Wouldn't be the first time we've been in this position and blown it. It's all setting up for a major fail.
Our hubris is only shaded by our paramnesia!
Wouldn't be the first time we've been in this position and blown it. It's all setting up for a major fail.
No doubt. But logically, Teague + our list > Clarkson + their list, even though I accept that Clarko is a master tactician. The gap between the two coaches can't be enough to overcome the difference in list quality / experience, surely ? I really hope I'm right about this.
I'd like to see Saad rotate through the midfield, as a 2nd receiver / outside player. His pace, evasiveness and good kicking would be a real asset IMO. If I recall correctly, part of the attraction of coming to Carlton was the promise of more midfield time.
I'd like to see Saad rotate through the midfield, as a 2nd receiver / outside player. His pace, evasiveness and good kicking would be a real asset IMO. If I recall correctly, part of the attraction of coming to Carlton was the promise of more midfield time.
I feel Saad is best in a straight line, for a medium he turns like the Titanic!
I feel Saad is best in a straight line, for a medium he turns like the Titanic!
Only turns left, its amazing how many times lefties get away with players allowing them back on the left.
Saad is very light, I get Pauls suggestion about running him through the midfield as a receiver but IMO you dont fix what isnt broken and we are the masters of turning players who have mastered a position into hacks real quick in another position.
We need to recruit specialists and stop trying to cheat with other players, it never works...Dow and Obrien were meant to be providing pace, evasiveness and good kicking(Obrien).
Ramsay is a good kick, a leftie who is good in traffic...too light at the minute but he is a player I would have marked down for the future to supply that creative run and ball use, ditto with his mate Philp.
I had a very pleasant meal tonight which included having a couple of cheeky reds. My mind wandered into a warm, fuzzy place and I began thinking it possible we could beat the Hawks.
Then I read your contribution and reality came crashing down on me.
It was as though a bandage had been ripped from an old wound and all the defeats at the hands of Hawthorn this century came flooding back into my mind.
My only escape is to open that bottle again.
Every time I get in this warm and fuzzy place, my mind wanders to that night at crapihad where we were down by about 20 goals at half time to them...... was there with a few hawks supporters as well..... not a good night
The Age experts are all tipping a Carlton victory. Bob Murphy tipping that we'll win by 70 points. Pierik, Gleeson and McClure tipping a 1 point win.
Bob’s been sitting next to Andy for too long!!
Every time I get in this warm and fuzzy place, my mind wanders to that night at crapihad where we were down by about 20 goals at half time to them...... was there with a few hawks supporters as well..... not a good night
Then whatever you do don't think about R6 2019, when we led for 3 quarters, and lost by 5 points, and Harry McKay took a mark a second after the final siren. Grrr..........
Only turns left, its amazing how many times lefties get away with players allowing them back on the left.
Saad is very light, I get Pauls suggestion about running him through the midfield as a receiver but IMO you dont fix what isnt broken and we are the masters of turning players who have mastered a position into hacks real quick in another position.
We need to recruit specialists and stop trying to cheat with other players, it never works...Dow and Obrien were meant to be providing pace, evasiveness and good kicking(Obrien).
Ramsay is a good kick, a leftie who is good in traffic...too light at the minute but he is a player I would have marked down for the future to supply that creative run and ball use, ditto with his mate Philp.
I think that Saad is at his most damaging when he can run from half back and receive the ball when he has worked up to top speed. I'm not sure that 180 degree changes of direction are his strength.
Saad went right in our last game and kicked 40m accurately with his right foot. It's not a weapon like his left, but he could use his right side a bit more.
I think that Saad is at his most damaging when he can run from half back and receive the ball when he has worked up to top speed. I'm not sure that 180 degree changes of direction are his strength.
Saad went right in our last game and kicked 40m accurately with his right foot. It's not a weapon like his left, but he could use his right side a bit more.
Saad is pretty hard to criticise at the minute IMO, he has hit the ground running. His prized recruit mate on the other hand deserves everything he is copping, I'm extremely underwhelmed at this stage.
I feel Saad is best in a straight line, for a medium he turns like the Titanic!
Maybe that's true, but I'd like to see it tried, and this IMO is the perfect game to do it. He would be a point of difference in our midfield, and would be way too quick for the Hawks mids.
Congratulations Lachie plowman. 100 games.
Maybe that's true, but I'd like to see it tried, and this IMO is the perfect game to do it. He would be a point of difference in our midfield, and would be way too quick for the Hawks mids.
I think if we have to rely on Saad wallpapering some cracks in our midfield vs a very average Hawthorn team then we have some real problems.
Congratulations Lachie plowman. 100 games.
Yes, congratulations indeed!
An under rated player, like several of his teammates :)
Kennedy is a far better mid, a far better mark (and lead) and a far better shot at goal.
>A better shot at goal, yes, but the other two are debatable at AFL level.
Goes just as hard as Jack too.
>Nah.
Speed? I'd suggest Kennedy has Jack covered (and people who diss Kennedy - a fit Kennedy - for being slow are simply wrong.
>Neither are fast but JSOS at least runs at his top speed - Kennedy doesn't chase with any endeavour and mostly tackles opponents who are standing still or who run into him.
Perhaps Jack wins in endurance though.
>Definitely.
Liam Shiels out for the Hawks, Howe in and Morris the sub.....probably makes our life a bit easier as Shiels is one of their mainstay players..
Josh Honey is our sub.