Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: LP on November 13, 2013, 04:38:06 pm

Quote from: DTTL on November 13, 2013, 02:39:13 pm

The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!

But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.

Correctus absolutus.

Astounds and frustrates me that anyone could label the ABC left of centre. Next to a predominantly conservative or far right media in this country, the ABC may appear 'left'... but I see them as strongly objective and credible in terms of revealing 'deeper truths' (in an articulate way)... the natural enemy of the conservative mantra of 'deny everything and reveal as little as possible.' Although a sweeping generalisation, the old saying that 'conservatives love secrecy and fear, whereas, progressives seek truths and embrace change' holds some merit.

It was and remains embarrassing that when the Murdoch Empire used its influence to manipulate public perception (during the election in particular), and got away with it, that there wasn't a revolution in this country! Should have been. Any wonder his empire is known as News Limited... sure is limited, to entertainment and his personal agenda. It would seem we do have a President without having a republic... President Murdoch.

The fact that two of Abbotts 'mates' are Jones and Pell says so, so much. And none of it good. Jones is to broadcasting what leprosy is to human skin and Pell is to spirituality what Hitler was to humanitarianism. I'll leave comment on Abbotts fundamental Christian ideologies for another time... 

.. and so glad to see you had no issue with Ropcrapz, Conroy and Gillad trying to pass legislation to silence the press.

Perhaps you should leave comments about Rudd''s fundamental Christian ideologies. No?  Thought not.

Quote from: DTTL on November 13, 2013, 02:39:13 pm

Suggest you conduct a poll in the western and northern suburbs of Melbourne and ask those 50 and over their political affiliations.  You might be surprised .....

You associate the Murdoch media with the same age group ... fine .... understand that .... but "getup" and the ABC could hardly be construed as even handed either, a situation I find amazing given their charter requires balanced reporting, particularly given they're funded from the public purse.

It terms of the silvered haired there is a world if difference between voters and supporters, have you ever attended a liberal party function or branch meeting? The people pouring money into the cause at grass roots level are mostly 60+, they are closer to Bronwyn Bishop than Carrie Bickmoore, Sophie Mirabella may be considered a spring chicken!

Getup can do whatever they like, they are a political entity, nobody sees them as any different. Are you implying because they oppose many Coalition policies, as well as some ALP and Greens policies, that they must be silenced? If so this concept of silence seems to becoming a trend, are only Tories allowed a voice?

FWIW, I gather you won't comprehend this because you have your capitalist suit of armor on. I am not anti-Coalition but Tony Abbott is clearly a hack, and it is quite ironic to me that a party famous for highlighting the leadership issues of it's opponents has picked a head kicker and not much else as leader! Was it from fear of a republic, it's not Rome 500BC is it?

The general perceptions of the ABC that are touted by the Coalition are abhorrent, a swinging voter like myself fails to see the bias you report and many Nationals Party members actively support the ABC. But I do see a very real attempt by the Liberals to sway the editorials by withholding funding, canceling contracts or dismissing staff. More silencing going on there it seems!

But regardless, even if you think they have as much impact as a Jones or a Bolt you are gravely mistaken. They are the national broadcaster, they should be supported by the Federal government of the day, it will not always be the case that News Corp is on the Coalitions bench! In fact we have already seen since the election a flip in published News Ltd rhetoric from the pre-election "Get rid of these ALP hacks" to the post-election "Abbott LNP Climate Change Calamity!" But that is expected, they maximise their profits by creating debate and division.

Quote from: DTTL on November 13, 2013, 02:39:13 pm

You suggest our reputation overseas has already been tarnished by a guy who's been in the chair for five minutes.  Even if that was true (and by any measurement, I don't consider it's correct) I'd prefer a leader of ANY persuasion that makes decisions in what he believes are the best interests of the country rather than surrender our rights / revenues to the U.N. or slavishly follow what might be fashionable politics in Asia, Europe, the Americas or anywhere else for that matter.

There is no border you can build around Australia to isolate it from global issues, ignorance may be bliss for many but it isn't a cure for global problems! This isn't bayou country and somebody stealing clams or shagging their sister first isn't the big issue!

Like it or lump it we are all on the same planet!

If you consider yourself conservative then I have a question. Is there ever a case when it is good business acumen to piss of your next potential big customer? Indonesia is our next potential big trading partner, they have a healthy disrespect and dislike of Chinese business practices and prefer to deal with Australian over India, Korea or Vietnam. Yet Abbott is turning them against us at a rapid rate, why?

Quote from: DTTL on November 13, 2013, 11:07:47 am

If you truly believe support for either party is defined by age groups, you need to look again.  There's a reason the LNP are in power ... and it isn't for their policies ....

The utter incompetence of the labor party together with their decision to align themsleves with fringe parties have killed them for three elections.

I didn't make an assertion about an ageist electorate, I did talk about the alignment of elderly voters to the LNP and their dependence on traditional media for the daily grind. But I did not talk about the alignments of young voters or the middle aged, my general comments were specifically apolitical.

I referred to the apathy of the middle aged and I also discussed the awareness of the young voters relative to the rest of the electorate. I suspect Abbott's policy of silence will not wash with the kids who do not rely on Murdoch media for their information, and Abbott's support from people who keep young ones out of the housing market will act as a negative for him within a short period of time. The time when controlling the media determines your fate is quickly passing for politicians, and I suspect Abbott is just such a relic of the old ways who's time has passed. Politics is no longer conducted in the church hall while you are busy counting the Sunday collections!

Quote from: Thryleon on November 13, 2013, 12:23:21 am

What a wasted exercise voting is.

There in lays the rub, if apathy rules the likes of Abbott win and that would be bad for all of us!

The younguns know the state of play far better than we give them credit for. Through the skills they garnish from using social media they are far more up to date than older people give them credit for. But the young have to be aware that for a short term impact they must also take on traditional media, in the long term the young will win, the likes of Murdoch are deprecated already he just doesn't know it. The Murdoch's of the world a pushing to segregate the privatise the Internet as I type by network control, but they have little hope. TCP/IP was designed by idealogs to avoid just such a possibility.

The oldies, the silver haired blue rinse set, they keep buying a daily copy of Murdoch's dunny rolls to read before wiping their wrinkly ar5e on it. They suck down vitriolic content from those aligned to the likes of Jones and Bolt as daily transfusion for a dying vampire, as they ponder bitterly where their life has gone and why the mirror looks the way it does and if they can raise the rent on another five properties. Jones specifically goes the whole hog, he is too old to change, and he will organise more PM private yacht tours and get his head patted completely bald by the NSW Right.

Bolt is more cunning, he is already starting to distance himself from the Murdoch stance. He knows his long term future will lie elsewhere and he won't attach himself to the decaying so strongly, but he won't be moved from the dinner table just yet, there are more courses to come. He is arrogant, but not imbecilic like Jones, Jones is too near the end.

In the meantime Abbott continues to crumble Australia's reputation, the world thinks we have voted in a Redneck and has labeled us all the same. The US has politicians like Abbott, Tea Partarians, but even the US wasn't stupid enough to vote them into power, at least not yet!

References to GOP may be all too valid!

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As for that "Electricity Bill" tag it is ironic to see Abbott reverting to Keatonian references, but then again I wonder who Abbott's political hero's really are?

But there are horror stories of one estranged partner 'demonizing' the other to the children and all this does is seriously f*ck up the kids. I did my best to teach my girls that sometimes two good people just don't get along and no one is to blame... but you do hear of bitterness overtaking love and common sense and the kids become torn. Should be a law against slating 'the other parent' to the kids.

Quote from: Baggers on November 04, 2013, 11:09:35 pm

Genuinely shocked, and disappointed at what I just read.

There is a plethora of anecdotal evidence to support both arguments - to spank or not to spank. This issue is far greater and way more important than anecdotal stories.

But if you want anecdotal, then I will meet your anecdotal and raise you an anecdotal… I have 2 daughters who were never spanked, which to me, if I had, would have been physical abuse. Today, they are both terrific 'citizens'. They were both set strong and clear boundaries... enforced by voice, example and non-negotiable rewards and punishments (never physical. Boundaries is the key).

A child’s body (indeed, all people), is sacrosanct.

Too many of us are the parents that our parents were. Well, not here. My sister, brother and I were disciplined in the good old Catholic way... spare the rod and spoil the child. Watching my sister, deeply distressed, at age 14, whilst my father 'spanked' her was traumatic. She learned nothing from his 'hiding'... other than shame. Yes, I know, anecdotal… but I know what his hidings did to my sister (and me).

For any human being to believe that striking another person is good for them; will help them, is obscene and ridiculous. The only thing violence teaches is that violence will get you what you want by force... and that lesson is all around us and contributes significantly to so many social issues.

Please do not confuse my comments with some flowery 60s or Swedish understanding that kids should be regarded as adult and given no discipline and just allowed to develop and grow on their own – rubbish. Boundaries are the key, but how you enforce these boundaries says more about you than your kids – if you need to resort to violence (hitting) to get obedience, then you have failed. You are the adult. You have the big brain. Use it.

Baggers, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but calling someone else's opinion "obscene and ridiculous" simply because it does not line up with your own opinion is IMO not playing the ball or fair to other people sharing their thoughts and opinions about this topic.

If you don't have foxtel, you dont own a TV.

There's only 4 spots on FTA and 9 games per typical week. They're never going to put games up against each other on their digital channels (can they start doing that next year?)

Half on air sounds about right when you finished 8th. It's not like if it wasn't on Foxtel then it would be on FTA.

Quote from: DJC on October 24, 2013, 02:47:41 pm

Juvenile offenders can be sentenced to detention, but only as a last resort.

The young person's behaviour, as an indicator of lack of remorse, may well have an impact on the severity of his penalty.

There have been calls for parents to be punished for the offences of their children but it would have to be on a case by case basis.  From what you've described Sheik, the father deserves a whack.

I agree the father deserves a whack. It's him that needs to set the example.  Remember when I was an 8y/o kid I smashed the window of a neighboring house to impress a girl. Police arrived and gave me stern warning. My father on the other hand offered to pay for the window and then proceeded to belt the shiit out of me. I had to personally apologize to the neighbor and to police. I was made to mow the neighbors lawn and remove weeds from their garden for 6 months. I no longer like broken windows.