Too early Mods?
If not here we go, because 2018 is over for us.
Firstly, apologies to MIO for stealing his concept.
.
What do I expect?
.
At this stage, probably Demolition!
Princes Park might well live up to it's name!
The Hobart Blues
The Launceston Lillies
Gloch is probably salivating at the thought, Dawks and Norp won't be too happy though, getting the kibosh from the Apple Isle!
Too early Mods?
If not here we go, because 2018 is over for us.
Firstly, apologies to MIO for stealing his concept.
.
What do I expect?
.
At this stage, probably Demolition!
Princes Park might well live up to it's name!
The Hobart Blues
The Launceston Lillies
Gloch is probably salivating at the thought, Dawks and Norp won't be too happy though, getting the kibosh from the Apple Isle!
You mean we may be sent to Van Diemen's Land?? :o
Canberra, Cairns, China. Cradle Mountain
Somewhere where we don't have to change the monogram ;D
I want to see-
1)Support for Bolton with a Craig like figure. I think we're missing his input.
2)Mature, physical, talented recruits in the 22-26 year age group.
Trade picks for them! Even Pick 1
3)Players supporting their teammates in the physical contests. On the weekend I saw one of our players jog past a teammate getting roughed up on the ground. I just forget who it was but it was someone who surprised me.
4) The emphasis must be on winning rather than development. We must select teams to win games. Let the development happen at VFL level and when they're ready move them up and give them an extended period. But winning must become a priority because losing and honorable losses seem to have become entrenched.
5)With that in mind around 8-10 wins
6)No excuses, no green shoots-call it as it is!
7)New Captain-Docherty or Cripps-its time for that handover.
8)100 point scores-How long has it been now ?!
9)A more aggressive and defiant approach to the AFL-the crap around the Curnows and the umpires we were subjected to, compared to other players in similar situations, was pathetic.
10) A similar approach to the media-call out some of their hypocrisy and contradictions. If we're going to go down let's not go down without a fight
For starters, a season where we don't put the queue in the rack.
You mean we may be sent to Van Diemen's Land?? :o
Should we ask an AFL consultant?
Does anybody have Sheedy's number?
I have no idea anymore after this year. I'd start with another coach as Bolton, I don't think, is up to the job of such a big rebuild. I thought we'd be 10th-11th this with 8-9 wins after our last two years. Injuries haven't helped but some games our entire intensity disappeared, something that barely happened in the last two years (bar trips to Brisbane).
What I'd like to see is our side better drilled, better structured, better attitude, have better game plan, one within their capabilities, and much better development of players. So i'm saying a change in coaching staff from the top down, bar Teague (who I think can coach). Have all of that and the rest looks after itself.
Anything better than 2018 :'( :'( :'(
I'll wait to see what we do in the trade/draft period. Could make the difference between predicting we'll finish bottom 2 vs bottom 4
Canberra, Cairns, China. Cradle Mountain
Somewhere where we don't have to change the monogram ;D
I want to see-
1)Support for Bolton with a Craig like figure. I think we're missing his input.
Agreed. Still not sure BB is up to being a senior coach but needs more time granted.
2)Mature, physical, talented recruits in the 22-26 year age group.
Trade picks for them! Even Pick 1
Sounds like the Crows are the ones to deal with - #1 for #8, #13 and a player.
Trade for 2 A graders or at worst, 1 A grader, couple of experienced B -B+ grade mids....
3)Players supporting their teammates in the physical contests. On the weekend I saw one of our players jog past a teammate getting roughed up on the ground. I just forget who it was but it was someone who surprised me.
Boxing/MMA lessons in the off season.
4) The emphasis must be on winning rather than development. We must select teams to win games. Let the development happen at VFL level and when they're ready move them up and give them an extended period. But winning must become a priority because losing and honorable losses seem to have become entrenched.
5)With that in mind around 8-10 wins
Make the 8.
6)No excuses, no green shoots-call it as it is! Yep
7)New Captain-Docherty or Cripps-its time for that handover.
Murphy must go - but the Doc/Crippa choice looks very difficult.
8)100 point scores-How long has it been now ?!
Fix the midfield (and dare I say it) ruck eg Preuss, the scoring will follow...
9)A more aggressive and defiant approach to the AFL-the crap around the Curnows and the umpires we were subjected to, compared to other players in similar situations, was pathetic.
Diabolically pathetic.
10) A similar approach to the media-call out some of their hypocrisy and contradictions. If we're going to go down let's not go down without a fight
x1000
Please email above to the club.
Please email above to the club.
The club is fixated on being a good AFL citizen, Pavlov has beaten them into submission, we won't be making waves!
I wonder why, who do we owe, and what do they know?
I also expect, no demand, that blokes like Garlett, Kennedy and Lang, get proper management at the Club and get seriously and fully fit - with a full pre season - ahead of Rd 1 2019.
I also expect, no demand, that blokes like Garlett, Kennedy and Lang, get proper management at the Club and get seriously and fully fit - with a full pre season - ahead of Rd 1 2019.
You mean ban injuries ? Yeah totally dude ????????
2019:
Love PBs list
Here we go:
No trite slogans to buy time and encourage patience. Truth and facts please combined with ambitious expectations. If I hear "we won't put expectations on what we can achieve..." again, I'll rip off my own ears. How about something simple like, "It's our goal to play finals this year."
If I hear, 'not too high, not too low' again I'll spew up. When we win, celebrate, whoop it up (for a short time). When we lose... hurt, hate it, despise it, get outraged by it (also for a short while), it's what healthy humans do...
A much healthier list.
A new football manager (Macca's replacement) who will hold SOS to account re his recruiting (trades a resounding fail to this moment) and bring in another recruiting talent with a proven track record under not so easy conditions (not building a list with rampant AFL favour).
A return to some of the mongrel we saw in players in BBs first year. And it is sustained.
At least 3 new senior footy ready players in the 22 - 27 yr age group who arrive ready to play. No more broken cast offs. Ensure they've also got some hardness about them.
Either get BB a highly qualified and demanding Mentor or bring in a senior coach who understands discipline and not being a buddy to the players. Yes, I think BB is just too hands on/familiar/nice. The best leaders are a little detached and are highly skilled delegators. I am sure the current players love BB, but do they respect him? Or even fear him a little? I really like BB and think he's been handed a poison chalice in some respects, and that he is a round peg in a square hole. His ability to stand up to the media hostility has been outstanding (and he's had to do it with FA public support from the President / SOS etc).
A winning focus/culture/expectation/desire/demand...
Cripps appointed Skipper. We need a Captain who has some mongrel, no more nice.
Get McClure, Rhys, Dominator, Wallsy etc involved and active at the club in some capacity - blokes with a bit of flare in their nostrils and absolutely intolerant of losing along with a deep love and understanding of PP.
And although I was highly supportive of not going cap-in-hand to the AFL re a priority pick, I've done a 180. We should demand it. They've participated in the demise of this club and owe us. Yes, we contributed and got ourselves into this mess... to a degree. Those original sanctions were vindictive and excessive aimed solely at sticking it up Elliott. And those bludgeoning sanctions sowed rotting, putrid 'black shoots' which have borne too much ugly fruit - we became desperate and just about anyone would qualify to run the place (further into the ground) to the point where for too many years we've become a club mired in guilt and apology... and have been bending over for way too long. No more. Now is the time for angry, uncompromising competence/excellence.
Board: get some people on there who have ruthlessness and boldness about them. The Board should be right royally p1ssed off with our situation and act accordingly.
Progressive Votes:
0 3487 - Cripps, Patrick (0)
0 1663 - Curnow, Edward (0)
0 1505 - Simpson, Kade (0)
0 1277 - Curnow, Charles (0)
0 1040 - Thomas, Dale (0)
I still can;'t understand why people are suggesting we need to retire the 2 bolded players.
Consistently in our bests, and both top 5 in the B+F thus far.
Have we learned nothing from the trading of Gibbs?
You simply cannot replace that type of quality with a draft pick.
I would very much hope that we keep these 2 for 2019 (and perhaps beyond?) as a huge hole (and about 550 games of experience by the end of the year) would appear in their absence.
Between them, they have played in more games than all players aged 22 and under combined (of which we have 23! inc rookies).
....and still more when you include Graham, Phillips and Byrne who are over 23+ and played in a further 98 games between them.
So those 2 players offer us more games experience than our lowest 26 experience players combined. Frightening.
I still can;'t understand why people are suggesting we need to retire the 2 bolded players.
Consistently in our bests, and both top 5 in the B+F thus far.
Have we learned nothing from the trading of Gibbs?
You simply cannot replace that type of quality with a draft pick.
I would very much hope that we keep these 2 for 2019 (and perhaps beyond?) as a huge hole (and about 550 games of experience by the end of the year) would appear in their absence.
Between them, they have played in more games than all players aged 22 and under combined (of which we have 23! inc rookies).
....and still more when you include Graham, Phillips and Byrne who are over 23+ and played in a further 98 games between them.
So those 2 players offer us more games experience than our lowest 26 experience players combined. Frightening.
Indeed
It would depend on what it freed up in terms of the SC, bot on the face of it, I'd hold on to both, Simpson especially
I would ask both of them to retire, they're not part of the future.
I would ask both of them to retire, they're not part of the future.
Good idea, we’ll get smashed by double next year... even if we could replace them with similar but slightly younger players.
They're both worth their wages just to have around the club. Most experienced players on our list, which is devoid of experienced players, and both consistently in our best both last season and this. Sure Simmo's disposal has not improved, but his experience down back is invaluable.
Good idea, we’ll get smashed by double next year... even if we could replace them with similar but slightly younger players.
Flawed logic.
We have one win a percentage of 62?, we clearly have to make changes.
I would ask both of them to retire, they're not part of the future.
There is still a role for senior players. Simpson is the same age as Hodge who if his body holds up should go around again.
[1] Improvement on the field.
[2] A recognizable game plane, with maybe some innovative tactics.
[3] Development of our players.
[4] No more hacks.
[5] Better skills.
[6] Players playing for each other, not for themselves.
[7] The ability to close down the opposition’s best players instead of playing them back into form.
[8] A healthy list and a minimum of injuries.
[9] Sustained pressure during games on the opposition by our players.
[2] A recognizable game plane, with maybe some innovative tactics.
It's the biggest thing I miss about Ratten, like him or hate him, he was a bit different and willing to try things.
Too many of our recent coaches, including I'm afraid the current coach, just seem to deliver the same old same old! They must be saving their IP for when it counts, that is if they ever get the opportunity to use it! It would be a pity for BB to be shot down with his powder still dry! :o
Having said that, I thought last season BB was on the right track, he just needed some tweaks here and there to get an extra couple of goals a game on average. Instead this season he seems to have thrown the baby out with the bath water and started from scratch! I don't understand that tactic, I'm sure many fans don't!
Is the reason BB is safe the soft cap, have we blown our total football department spend budget on kiboshing Ratten and MM?
Flawed logic.
We have one win a percentage of 62?, we clearly have to make changes.
Not change for changes sake though. Taking Simpson out of the team on the weekend rendered us uncompetitive and leaderless in defense.
Perhaps he was "managed" for this one, given they usually don't fly elder players with soft tissue issues interstate and claimed they "knew" about it in advance.
Im happy to move on the Graham, Kerridge types who are clearly not going to take us forward, and keep Simpson and Daisy around instead. I know you will advocate removing all 4, but I dont think we have to because our draft hand isnt that good without trading a few, and we will likely delist some in the process.
There is still a role for senior players. Simpson is the same age as Hodge who if his body holds up should go around again.
Yeah and Hawthorn retired him.
Hawthorn have other senior players on their list to replace him.
Simply put, we don't. If Hodge were available next season, I'd be advocating getting him into the club as well.
Yeah and Hawthorn retired him.
And kept Burgoyne.
Hawks at a different stage than us. If Simpson was holding a good kid out then you might have an arguement. O'Shea, Mullett and these type are doing that
And kept Burgoyne.
Hawks at a different stage than us. If Simpson was holding a good kid out then you might have an arguement. O'Shea, Mullett and these type are doing that
Read the preseason thread everyone here expected us to finish higher than them.
Read the preseason thread everyone here expected us to finish higher than them.
Everyone was wrong.
Their list profile is about the now.
Under 22
Carlton : 21 players ~ 345 Games
Hawks: 15 players ~ 115 Games
22-26
Carlton : 9 players ~ 505 Games
Hawks: 11 players ~ 465 Games
26-30
Carlton : 10 players ~ 1091 Games
Hawks: 15 players ~ 2011 Games
30+
Carlton : 5 players ~ 927 Games
Hawks: 4 players ~ 1023 Games
Whoever had us ahead of the Hawks this year had rocks in their head.
I still can;'t understand why people are suggesting we need to retire the 2 bolded players.
Consistently in our bests, and both top 5 in the B+F thus far.
Have we learned nothing from the trading of Gibbs?
You simply cannot replace that type of quality with a draft pick.
I would very much hope that we keep these 2 for 2019 (and perhaps beyond?) as a huge hole (and about 550 games of experience by the end of the year) would appear in their absence.
Between them, they have played in more games than all players aged 22 and under combined (of which we have 23! inc rookies).
....and still more when you include Graham, Phillips and Byrne who are over 23+ and played in a further 98 games between them.
So those 2 players offer us more games experience than our lowest 26 experience players combined. Frightening.
Couldn't agree more. Both are still performing well so age is only a minor factor. Needed. With defenders returning next year Daisy will likely be played more to his strengths around the middle of the ground and forward.
My guess is that both will continue, on 1 year deals, and hopefully a little less money.
I can see validity both for keeping them and moving them on. Personally not fussed one way or the other.
Assuming our back 6 is in good shape next year, I'd like to see Simpson back in his former role on the wing, and Daisy around the ball or HFF.
My guess is that both will continue, on 1 year deals, and hopefully a little less money.
I can see validity both for keeping them and moving them on. Personally not fussed one way or the other.
Assuming our back 6 is in good shape next year, I'd like to see Simpson back in his former role on the wing, and Daisy around the ball or HFF.
The one senior bloke on our list who I think is in a bit of strife is Matthew Wright. He was never quick, but he was tough and clean, and smart.
This season hes looking a bit slower, and less clean.
Theres plenty ahead of him to delist, and hes a quality guy trying his best, but I dont know if his best is giving us much anymore. Id like to see him become a coach though.
Until any potential rule changes are made public, if any are instigated at all, it's hard to tell who is who for keeps!
I read this thread and I question what is the most obvious reason we are where we are right now, long term injuries!
Murphy, Kennedy, Kruezer, McKay, Kerridge, Docherty, Lang, Rowe, Plowman, Garlett, Marchbank, Macreadie, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Philips, Byrne, Casboult, A.Silvagni. That's 19 players who are considered to be in our plans to be top 30 players.
Please explain to me how Carlton, a developing side, can cover this amount of disruption to their list and still be competitive?
Defence - The so called media experts have asked the question how we went from a side who was hard to play & score against to where we are now. I give them;
Docherty - AA HBF, who organises the defense and was an on field coach. Irreplaceable.
Williamson - 15 games last season, from a first year player who hopefully would have progressed in his second season no games.
Byrne - Supposed to give run off half back with a long penetrating kick, strong body also. No impact
Marchbank - Hardly been available with a few injuries through the pre season and ongoing injury in season.
Plowman - Was rumoured to be playing injured, but through our lack of options kept going, now out for a month so far.
Rowe - Coming off an ACL with limited pre season and looks to have lost what touch he did have.
Macreadie - Showed promise as a shut down no nonsense defender, had decent disposal and did not seemed rushed. Again needs some more time but no games
A.Silvagni - That senior head down back to give us some toughness, but again crueled by injury.
That's 7 players who if available would have definitely helped and made a real difference. Instead we've had to drop Daisy, Lamb and Jack back while playing duds like Mullet and O'Shea. It's got so bad that we have dropped Murphy to a half back flank to give us good use off HBF. In doing so we lost his run through the middle into HFF.
Midfield;
Murphy - Missed over 50% of games, in a team bereft of experience and quality ball use, now running off half back just so we can get the ball forward of centre.
Kennedy - No pre season and then a foot injury that we didn't well at all has robbed him of a successful first year at Carlton. We are just see Matt get his groove now as the season is finished.
Kruezer - In and out of the side due to injury, mismanaged and not effective due to playing hurt.
Kerridge - A seasoned body to help protect others, not an A grader but a solid B when playing at his best.
Lang - Real pace and beautiful skills but again, no pre season and hasn't found form because of it.
Cuningham - Would be getting a game with our lack of midfield depth, tried off HB because we had no run but he is a midfielder and is Dow like with his pick ups in traffic.
Philips - Saw in the one game what he does for us, I thought he was better than Ryder after he found his game rhythm and would of helped when Kruezer was out or should have been out.
Forwards;
McKay - A few injuries and illnesses have prevented Harry from playing more, plus a bias against him that doesn't seen to apply to others on the list.
Garlett - Looked to be a pressure forward in the practise matches but a dislocated should and other minor injuries have stopped him getting the feel back for AFL footy.
Pickett - Look at the Hawthorn game last season to see what we missed, his fist game back his pace and skill set up Charlies first two goals but missing half the season to a broken wrist robbed us.
Casboult - While 2018 hasn't been his year before injuries Levi is still takes a big defender allowing Charlie to get more one on ones.
This is the reason we are where we are, a team at our level of rebuilding cannot afford to have so many missing pieces and then shuffle players around to fill gaps. I've said before our forward line should have Pickett, Fisher and Garlett in it, getting fed by Levi, Charlie and Harry, instead Fisher is having to play serious midfield minutes with Pickett and Garlett being injured and out of form.
Just by having Docherty, Williamson and Marchbank healthy all season, we win 2/3 of our "honourable losses".
Our side is not broken, we have not got our rebuild wrong as sooo many of the D-Head media say, they look at simply who we have on field, not who we are missing. I have actually stopped streaming SEN (apart from Mahers show) because I've gotten sick of ignorant media performers who have no idea where our list is making uneducated comments on the state of our rebuild.
These are the same people who said that Richmond was a basket case and Hardwick should be sacked just two years ago. That Buckley had to go just last season, now look who the top 2 teams are, so why are we listening to them now?
Stick fat, we don't need to throw this rebuild out, we do need to add some more quality in there, we do need a bit of luck with injury and we need to question the medical department as they have made some very questionable decisions this season. Get Lukocius , no team that has ever traded away the No 1 or 2 pick has won the trade, draft/trade 2/3 mids. We will still get them at 24/28 and maybe a free agent and we will do much better in 2018.
If we can have this set up in 2019 then look for 8-10 wins
Willamson Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty
SPS Cripps Murphy
Kruezer Kennedy Dow
Lukocius Charlie Fisher
Garlett McKay Pickett
Simpson Ed Lang Levi
E - O'Brien, Cuningham, Macreadie
Charlie is a key isn't he.
We can probably play two other KPFs, a KPF and a Forward Ruck(Probably McKay's role this week), a KPF with Cripps resting forward, or any other combination given Charlie is available to fill a role as a mobile marking forward.
I think Charlie is the key that unlocks those options, not sure we even need him to kick goals once we can find him some decent F50 support!
FWIW, in addition to being poor we were probably unlucky last week, Kreuzer was not fit and has not been, Phillips got injured, Simmo was out costing us flexibility, McKay had a rubbish VFL game the week prior and Kerr was returning from a hip.
a stronger /faster carlton
Fair post as per usual Raydan.
I read this thread and I question what is the most obvious reason we are where we are right now, long term injuries!
Murphy, Kennedy, Kruezer, McKay, Kerridge, Docherty, Lang, Rowe, Plowman, Garlett, Marchbank, Macreadie, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Philips, Byrne, Casboult, A.Silvagni. That's 19 players who are considered to be in our plans to be top 30 players.
Please explain to me how Carlton, a developing side, can cover this amount of disruption to their list and still be competitive?
Defence - The so called media experts have asked the question how we went from a side who was hard to play & score against to where we are now. I give them;
Docherty - AA HBF, who organises the defense and was an on field coach. Irreplaceable.
Williamson - 15 games last season, from a first year player who hopefully would have progressed in his second season no games.
Byrne - Supposed to give run off half back with a long penetrating kick, strong body also. No impact
Marchbank - Hardly been available with a few injuries through the pre season and ongoing injury in season.
Plowman - Was rumoured to be playing injured, but through our lack of options kept going, now out for a month so far.
Rowe - Coming off an ACL with limited pre season and looks to have lost what touch he did have.
Macreadie - Showed promise as a shut down no nonsense defender, had decent disposal and did not seemed rushed. Again needs some more time but no games
A.Silvagni - That senior head down back to give us some toughness, but again crueled by injury.
That's 7 players who if available would have definitely helped and made a real difference. Instead we've had to drop Daisy, Lamb and Jack back while playing duds like Mullet and O'Shea. It's got so bad that we have dropped Murphy to a half back flank to give us good use off HBF. In doing so we lost his run through the middle into HFF.
Midfield;
Murphy - Missed over 50% of games, in a team bereft of experience and quality ball use, now running off half back just so we can get the ball forward of centre.
Kennedy - No pre season and then a foot injury that we didn't well at all has robbed him of a successful first year at Carlton. We are just see Matt get his groove now as the season is finished.
Kruezer - In and out of the side due to injury, mismanaged and not effective due to playing hurt.
Kerridge - A seasoned body to help protect others, not an A grader but a solid B when playing at his best.
Lang - Real pace and beautiful skills but again, no pre season and hasn't found form because of it.
Cuningham - Would be getting a game with our lack of midfield depth, tried off HB because we had no run but he is a midfielder and is Dow like with his pick ups in traffic.
Philips - Saw in the one game what he does for us, I thought he was better than Ryder after he found his game rhythm and would of helped when Kruezer was out or should have been out.
Forwards;
McKay - A few injuries and illnesses have prevented Harry from playing more, plus a bias against him that doesn't seen to apply to others on the list.
Garlett - Looked to be a pressure forward in the practise matches but a dislocated should and other minor injuries have stopped him getting the feel back for AFL footy.
Pickett - Look at the Hawthorn game last season to see what we missed, his fist game back his pace and skill set up Charlies first two goals but missing half the season to a broken wrist robbed us.
Casboult - While 2018 hasn't been his year before injuries Levi is still takes a big defender allowing Charlie to get more one on ones.
This is the reason we are where we are, a team at our level of rebuilding cannot afford to have so many missing pieces and then shuffle players around to fill gaps. I've said before our forward line should have Pickett, Fisher and Garlett in it, getting fed by Levi, Charlie and Harry, instead Fisher is having to play serious midfield minutes with Pickett and Garlett being injured and out of form.
Just by having Docherty, Williamson and Marchbank healthy all season, we win 2/3 of our "honourable losses".
Our side is not broken, we have not got our rebuild wrong as sooo many of the D-Head media say, they look at simply who we have on field, not who we are missing. I have actually stopped streaming SEN (apart from Mahers show) because I've gotten sick of ignorant media performers who have no idea where our list is making uneducated comments on the state of our rebuild.
These are the same people who said that Richmond was a basket case and Hardwick should be sacked just two years ago. That Buckley had to go just last season, now look who the top 2 teams are, so why are we listening to them now?
Stick fat, we don't need to throw this rebuild out, we do need to add some more quality in there, we do need a bit of luck with injury and we need to question the medical department as they have made some very questionable decisions this season. Get Lukocius , no team that has ever traded away the No 1 or 2 pick has won the trade, draft/trade 2/3 mids. We will still get them at 24/28 and maybe a free agent and we will do much better in 2018.
If we can have this set up in 2019 then look for 8-10 wins
Willamson Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty
SPS Cripps Murphy
Kruezer Kennedy Dow
Lukocius Charlie Fisher
Garlett McKay Pickett
Simpson Ed Lang Levi
E - O'Brien, Cuningham, Macreadie
What a load of poppycock! Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS. They are worse than ours, and with better players out. I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better. Kerridge a 'B' grader? You are kidding me. Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?
What a load of poppycock! Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS. They are worse than ours, and with better players out. I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better. Kerridge a 'B' grader? You are kidding me. Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?
And how are GWS going compared to last year? We only went back 2 ladder positions, they have gone back more than that. Admittedly we can't go any lower...
What a load of poppycock! Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS. They are worse than ours, and with better players out. I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better. Kerridge a 'B' grader? You are kidding me. Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?
There are other sides that have injuries, granted but sometimes it's not what is out, it's what is left. GWS has quality left, but again this is a side that has played in the last 2 prelim finals and where do they sit now? 10th and looking to miss finals, but I'm sure their injuries had no effect ::)
Where as we finished bottom 3 last year and have had the most games missed through injury of any club, so to explain this to you, we were already on the bottom and have lost a lot of players to injury who would have helped, they were a top 4 side who have now dropped out of the finals, so I'm afraid you're the one smoking stuff.
Casboult - Who a better forward Levi or Kruezer? So yes he would have made the side better and Kerridge, I believe if you read the post again it say at his best he is a B grader but he is a hard body around the ball an area where we deficient in.
I also note that you made no mention of losing an entire backline to injury, but never let facts get in the way of your argument.
Great post Raydan..
Totally agree with you
Fair post as per usual Raydan.
What a load of poppycock! Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS. They are worse than ours, and with better players out. I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better. Kerridge a 'B' grader? You are kidding me. Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?
No doubt GWS have been hit hard with injuries, and their form has suffered, but suffering is relative. Even with those injuries, they are still able to field a core group of mids and backs, who are a) experienced, b) very talented, and c) have played a few seasons together. What they have left on the park is still among the competition's best.
No comparison IMO.
Hard to determine what to expect, we are so variable and therefore hard to predict.
So expect in regard to what I would like, or what I expect us to do are very different things.
What I would like;
History, around the club and players, The Hyphen, Fev, Armfield
Aggressive Behaviour, in the Media, On Field and Coaching
Steely Resolve, I'll take it wherever and whenever we can find it!
Attitude, we own it, make it look that way!
What I wouldn't like;
Conciliation
Appeasement
Excuses
Blame
Spin
Submission
Surrender
If we are going down, let's go down fighting, and as Ted would say, it's time to stick it up em!
I agree with Raydan's post above, we need to wait and see what happens when we have close to our best team on the park at the same time
Flawed logic.
We have one win a percentage of 62?, we clearly have to make changes.
Perhaps our problem was we made TOO MANY changes previously?
Overall, you want to have the largest amount of talent, spread even across all ages - senior players and kids.
We have plenty of talented kids, but close to SFA in senior talent.
You pot Murphy as much as anyone. Taking out Simmo and Daisy would leave Murphy, an often injured Kreuzer and Ed Curnow as senior players in the side. Our % would drop further with them out of it.
There are other sides that have injuries, granted but sometimes it's not what is out, it's what is left. GWS has quality left, but again this is a side that has played in the last 2 prelim finals and where do they sit now? 10th and looking to miss finals, but I'm sure their injuries had no effect ::)
Where as we finished bottom 3 last year and have had the most games missed through injury of any club, so to explain this to you, we were already on the bottom and have lost a lot of players to injury who would have helped, they were a top 4 side who have now dropped out of the finals, so I'm afraid you're the one smoking stuff.
Casboult - Who a better forward Levi or Kruezer? So yes he would have made the side better and Kerridge, I believe if you read the post again it say at his best he is a B grader but he is a hard body around the ball an area where we deficient in.
I also note that you made no mention of losing an entire backline to injury, but never let facts get in the way of your argument.
Great Posts Rayden , the latter is the key , losing an entire backline to injury , that changes the ability to be more offensive focused all of a sudden we change to a new game plan with no players capable to impliment it. Other sides all have injury issues , but our lack of depth & experience its so hard cover. Yes we all get frustrated by the lack of performance and wins. But break it down we really rely on too few players to gain a win
I agree with a lot of what Raydan says, and I guess we hope that for the long term it is true.
The one thing that sticks in my craw though, is you can't deny the lack of effort on multiple occasions this year. And whatever may or may not have happened at the selection table, and no matter what occurred pre match with injuries last weekend, there was a lack of effort from the vast majority of our players and that is unacceptable.
I agree with a lot of what Raydan says, and I guess we hope that for the long term it is true.
The one thing that sticks in my craw though, is you can't deny the lack of effort on multiple occasions this year. And whatever may or may not have happened at the selection table, and no matter what occurred pre match with injuries last weekend, there was a lack of effort from the vast majority of our players and that is unacceptable.
I am concerned that this is the prime symptom of the players being confused and frustrated with the game plan and their individual roles within it.