Pity we didn't play this mob in Qld!
This is not looking good at all after this round's horror story. Looks like we can't play in Perth like we did in Qld!
We're likely to beat the Eagles then lose to Freo the next week. That is Carlton.
we need to ring some changes for the next game
we need to ring some changes for the next game
Coach has to take alot of blame for today.
We will not get anywhere near the Wet Toast. Will be just about at the top of their game and they will smash us into itsy bitsy bitsy pieces. Some of our players may start to cry.
Plenty of pain to feel after this game. Really hope we don’t get smashed, but fear it could be the worst loss by any side this season.
Got an extra week given the bye to review the hell out of that debacle and provide some honest 360 feedback, players, coaches, water boys, you name it. Freshen up for a few days then train the house down, and bring mouthguards fellas. As far as changes? Not really sure who can come in and make a difference but Moore has to go. McKay couldn't have been right, he was just as bad as Moore last night. Teague and the MC's challenge is to find a combination that plays consistently every week. At the minute, this team is junk in that regard and I'm sick of the excuses around this. I suspect that the combination doesn't exist amongst the current crop. They deliver brilliance one minute, then a 62 point turnaround the next.
Plenty of pain to feel after this game. Really hope we don’t get smashed, but fear it could be the worst loss by any side this season.
Well if they did that to Collingwood last week, just imagine what we are in for.
We will not get anywhere near the Wet Toast. Will be just about at the top of their game and they will smash us into itsy bitsy bitsy pieces. Some of our players may start to cry.
It's Carlton. We are likely to win that and lose to Freo...haha.
What side loses to Melbourne then goes down to win at Geelong, the toughest place to play, after smashing them for 3 qtrs.That would be Carlton. Playing well against top sides is no issue. It's those other sides that worry us.
Got an extra week given the bye to review the hell out of that debacle and provide some honest 360 feedback, players, coaches, water boys, you name it. Freshen up for a few days then train the house down, and bring mouthguards fellas. As far as changes? Not really sure who can come in and make a difference but Moore has to go. McKay couldn't have been right, he was just as bad as Moore last night. Teague and the MC's challenge is to find a combination that plays consistently every week. At the minute, this team is junk in that regard and I'm sick of the excuses around this. I suspect that the combination doesn't exist amongst the current crop. They deliver brilliance one minute, then a 62 point turnaround the next.
Welcome to the world of a developing side. 2 steps forwards, one horrible, frustrating step back. Our ability to be brilliant and bad in the same game is something we have to get rid of.
Welcome to the world of a developing side. 2 steps forwards, one horrible, frustrating step back. Our ability to be brilliant and bad in the same game is something we have to get rid of.
Developing, always developing. Feels like they have been developing for 15 years.
Developing, always developing. Feels like they have been developing for 15 years.
We are developing. You'll get these results sometimes at our stage, and it's worse now because more is expected. It's not happening overnight. That away the frustrations and you'll see overall it's alot better. We've combined brilliance with crap this year, as up and coming sides do. What side loses to Melbourne the wins at Geelong, the toughest of all grounds, the next. One week efficiency and ball use off the charts, as Bevo described it, and in the wet, other weeks not AFL standard. That's unfortunately what happens when developing. You dont have that consistency. Often we do it in the same game, costing us about 6 places on the ladder.
Live ladder looked good during the 2nd qtr showing us 6th. Looks crap now it's showing 12th.
Got an extra week given the bye to review the hell out of that debacle and provide some honest 360 feedback, players, coaches, water boys, you name it. Freshen up for a few days then train the house down, and bring mouthguards fellas. As far as changes? Not really sure who can come in and make a difference but Moore has to go. McKay couldn't have been right, he was just as bad as Moore last night. Teague and the MC's challenge is to find a combination that plays consistently every week. At the minute, this team is junk in that regard and I'm sick of the excuses around this. I suspect that the combination doesn't exist amongst the current crop. They deliver brilliance one minute, then a 62 point turnaround the next.
Extra week?
We have 9 days until our next match. We play next Sunday.
Give the boys an extra couple of days, sure, but don't flog them. We need to be fresh for the eagles on their home deck.
Cripps is broken, he needs a break or he won't be at our club much longer, and at the moment his trade worth is plummeting anyway. It doesn't look to me like Captaincy suits him.
I love him, but I think it's best for him to have him release the captaincy, get it onto Weiters or someone a few years younger as a long term project, a successor to Docherty. Set Cripps free!
Further if we think there is a chance he is going we might as well get him mentally and physically fresh and then get whatever we can out of him before he leaves. He has pride, he won't waste our time like Hendo or Tuohy.
We're highly unlikely to beat Wet Toast over there anyway, so why flog a dead horse next week! Further, Wet Toast have outside run that makes the Dawks look slow!
Cripps is broken, he needs a break or he won't be at our club much longer, and at the moment his trade worth is plummeting. So if we think he is going we might as well get him mentally fresh and whatever we can out of him before he leaves.
We highly uinlikely to beat Wet Toast over there anyway, so why flog a dead horse!
Would he be willing to forsake another chance to play in front of family, maybe even try for a little redemption ?
Would he be willing to forsake another chance to play in front of family, maybe even try for a little redemption ?
Looking at him, watching him, he probably thinks he is embarrassing his family at the moment, he looks depressed to me. He is panicked, and he punches the ground harder than he punches the ball or an opponent.
If not physical issues certainly mental, he needs a freshen up, something is not right.
If we think he is staying, go the long term, put him away for the season and let him break quarantine and go home to mum and dad's. It may hurt his pride in the short term, but he isn't a nuffa, he'll come around to the long term benefit. We shouldn't be running Cripps into the ground to squeeze the last drops of hope out of Simmo's or sMurph's career, which is a bit how it feels to me!
The feckers that remain, they are playing the remainder of the season for their careers, for some it's already over!
Looking at him, watching him, he probably thinks he is embarrassing his family at the moment, he looks depressed to me. He is panicked, and he punches the ground harder than he punches the ball or an opponent.
If not physical issues certainly mental, he needs a freshen up, something is not right.
Yes, I can see where you're coming from. mbb said he now looks like a B-grader, and he's probably right. One has to wonder what the problem is. Arguably the highest paid bloke at the club, co captain, most marketable player, seems to get his way on important issues (i.e Martin in, Bolton out). I'd like to make my next comment without starting yet another furore, but I've wondered for a while whether he is really captain / leader material. There's a part of me that really worries about whether he is more like Kouta/Whitnall etc. and less like Hodge. Just sayin'.
Yes, I can see where you're coming from. mbb said he now looks like a B-grader, and he's probably right. One has to wonder what the problem is. Arguably the highest paid bloke at the club, co captain, most marketable player, seems to get his way on important issues (i.e Martin in, Bolton out). I'd like to make my next comment without starting yet another furore, but I've wondered for a while whether he is really captain / leader material. There's a part of me that really worries about whether he is more like Kouta/Whitnall etc. and less like Hodge. Just sayin'.
It's a fair question, of course some will take offence at it, some will think you are baiting them. But watching, watching without bias or prejudice, what other conclusion can we come to?
Dismissing the question is just looking at life through Navy Blue glasses and doesn't really help anyone!
I love Cripps, I want him as a blue long term, but he is not coping at the moment, it's not just about form.
Cripps' biggest problem imho is that he has only ever experienced senior football with us and we have not exactly been an ideal player development environment over the years. Some solid hard edged captaincy/onfield leadership experience from outside would have been very handy. He will be stress tested yet again in this game.
We are developing. You'll get these results sometimes at our stage, and it's worse now because more is expected. It's not happening overnight. That away the frustrations and you'll see overall it's alot better. We've combined brilliance with crap this year, as up and coming sides do. What side loses to Melbourne the wins at Geelong, the toughest of all grounds, the next. One week efficiency and ball use off the charts, as Bevo described it, and in the wet, other weeks not AFL standard. That's unfortunately what happens when developing. You dont have that consistency. Often we do it in the same game, costing us about 6 places on the ladder.
Live ladder looked good during the 2nd qtr showing us 6th. Looks crap now it's showing 12th.
Jim, Probably more the way we lost, shades of the BB era, really dumb footy, soft weak contesting/tackling, too many cameo artists not enough main performers, Cripps looking like he has to do everything and collapsing under the load.
Lets hope its a one off....the thing we all like about DT's work is his ability to generate some fight and to keep on punching even if we lose, thats probably what has scared folks, having to revisit the past...
Cripps problem is he's thinking he has to do it all.
Cripps problem is he's thinking he has to do it all.
Perhaps he is reading (and enjoying) too many articles about himself. I saw 22 rockstars, with Cripps as the lead singer, run out last night thinking 15 mins of footy was going to be enough.
Jim, Probably more the way we lost, shades of the BB era, really dumb footy, soft weak contesting/tackling, too many cameo artists not enough main performers, Cripps looking like he has to do everything and collapsing under the load.
Lets hope its a one off....the thing we all like about DT's work is his ability to generate some fight and to keep on punching even if we lose, thats probably what has scared folks, having to revisit the past...
EB what do the "weak" efforts have to do with the coach? I doubt any coach would ask his players to go play bruise free.
Big Tom - Bring Him In
(De Koning In Moore Out)
Tom De Koning 21 years, 203cm & 97 kg.
Everything written about him from our Northern Blues/Reserves watchers and his form in 2 AFL games suggests he is big potential for Carlton............but provided we can keep him!!!
So if he is fit - Bring Him In
cheers
Ab
ps. Even if it means playing MoneyBags down back!
EB what do the "weak" efforts have to do with the coach? I doubt any coach would ask his players to go play bruise free.
GTC..I'm just saying its unusual for a DT team to fold up meekly and I agree its down to the players and am not blaming the coach.
Probably have to look at the leadership on the ground too... Cripps and Docherty have had their own battles of late but not much insperation from other senior players IMO...
Yes, I can see where you're coming from. mbb said he now looks like a B-grader, and he's probably right. One has to wonder what the problem is. Arguably the highest paid bloke at the club, co captain, most marketable player, seems to get his way on important issues (i.e Martin in, Bolton out). I'd like to make my next comment without starting yet another furore, but I've wondered for a while whether he is really captain / leader material. There's a part of me that really worries about whether he is more like Kouta/Whitnall etc. and less like Hodge. Just sayin'.
Comments like that imply that Cripps was in the minority.
Pretty sure he was in the majority, which makes your point moot.
Big Tom - Bring Him In
(De Koning In Moore Out)
Tom De Koning 21 years, 203cm & 97 kg.
Everything written about him from our Northern Blues/Reserves watchers and his form in 2 AFL games suggests he is big potential for Carlton............but provided we can keep him!!!
So if he is fit - Bring Him In
cheers
Ab
ps. Even if it means playing MoneyBags down back!
Still talking.... "Pre Game" ;) Tom "De Koning joined TAC Cup club Dandenong Stingrays and kicked nine goals in 2016 as a 17-year-old against the Northern Knights" Wikipedia
cheers
Ab
seems to get his way on important issues (i.e Martin in, Bolton out).
I doubt Cripps "got Bolton out", but I suspect Cripps state of mind was a reason to kibosh Bolton, and in my opinion justified if the club thought the coach had contributed to Cripps broken state of mind.
If Cripps really does have head space issues, it'll take more than a new coach and a few trivial wins to see the end of it!
GTC..I'm just saying its unusual for a DT team to fold up meekly and I agree its down to the players and am not blaming the coach.
Probably have to look at the leadership on the ground too... Cripps and Docherty have had their own battles of late but not much insperation from other senior players IMO...
Roger that
Having just watched WC v G can't see how we'll get close to the Toast next week. Nic Nat was outstanding. Speed and precision aplenty. I fear for our team and what the opposition will do to us.
Having just watched WC v G can't see how we'll get close to the Toast next week. Nic Nat was outstanding. Speed and precision aplenty. I fear for our team and what the opposition will do to us.
Mate just thinking about it, apart from the last 5 losses in row, prior to that was always 50-50 against them whether it was in here or there. If they really care about how they lost yesterday and really want to redeem themselves, we are a sneaky chance. Last 20 games are as follows:
LWLLLLWWWWLLLWWLLLLL
Mate just thinking about it, apart from the last 5 losses in row, prior to that was always 50-50 against them whether it was in here or there. If they really care about how they lost yesterday and really want to redeem themselves, we are a sneaky chance. Last 20 games are as follows:
LWLLLLWWWWLLLWWLLLLL
If only it was a simple game of roulette you’d be right, but they’re in rare form, living at home, supported by friends and family and a partisan crowd. With that context, if we beat them it will arguably be the finest victory in the history of our club.
If only it was a simple game of roulette you’d be right, but they’re in rare form, living at home, supported by friends and family and a partisan crowd. With that context, if we beat them it will arguably be the finest victory in the history of our club.
Agree Dora, all I am saying I am NEVER confident playing Hawthorn because of our record against them and their coach. Conversely, I feel we have done ok in the past v WC so you never know. We beat Geel at Geel against all odds and given our up and down form who knows. We had so many players down for 3 qtrs vs Haw, I would hazard a guess (and bloody hope) that aint gonna happen two weeks in a row.
I'm sorry that Moore didn't work out, but it is something I expected. he deserved a call-up, given his form in the 2's. But he is a senior AFL player. Simple as that.
If H isn't fit, I wouldn't play him. he has been disappointing for much of this year.
Mitch McG could come in for him, if he is on. I would think he would be, but ...
De Koning has to come in. he is young and raw, but he is the only one of our rucks who can outleap NicNat.
I'm sorry that Moore didn't work out, but it is something I expected. he deserved a call-up, given his form in the 2's. But he is a senior AFL player. Simple as that.
If H isn't fit, I wouldn't play him. he has been disappointing for much of this year.
Mitch McG could come in for him, if he is on. I would think he would be, but ...
De Koning has to come in. he is young and raw, but he is the only one of our rucks who can outleap NicNat.
Perfect time to unleash the king. If nothing else and he gets a bath, he realises what it takes to dominate at AFL level and works towards it. He has the attributes to be a Nic Nat, so why not give him a crack at him in short bursts.
Gov won't come up after a hammy that quick. At best he might be back for Freo.
Harry i think will play. Seems good enough without being dominant.
Moore has to go. TDK will offer us more than Moore.
Perfect time to unleash the king. If nothing else and he gets a bath, he realises what it takes to dominate at AFL level and works towards it. He has the attributes to be a Nic Nat, so why not give him a crack at him in short bursts.
Gov won't come up after a hammy that quick. At best he might be back for Freo.
Harry i think will play. Seems good enough without being dominant.
Moore has to go. TDK will offer us more than Moore.
I think so too. It'll be an athletic contest with Nic Nat so TDK would be a good selection.
Having just watched WC v G can't see how we'll get close to the Toast next week. Nic Nat was outstanding. Speed and precision aplenty. I fear for our team and what the opposition will do to us.
This is Carlton we're talking about. When going we match the best, when not Adelaide is hard work. Remember we lost to Melbourne then fronted up the next week and beat Geelong. Take away the last qtr and we did a better job on Geelong than the Eagles did. Then we should've beaten the side on top of the ladder too.
Don't get caught up with a bad loss, every side has them. We've only had 2 under Teague. The rest were frustrating losses. Our best matches anyone as Geelong and Port found. We're just as likely to win this week then lose to Freo.
There's alot of hub traveling right now so it's not surprising some sides were as flat as a tack last week, including us. There were some shocking, one-sided games.
TDK in this week. His athletic style would actually be suited to Nic Nat than it might others.
we beat geelong ,footy gods were on our side that night ,2 players down and in 7/8 min of football almost won game we just hanged on
Given the craziness of this season, most predictions will come a cropper at some point. In some kind of biazrro way, we may win, but on paper, they should win by at least 6 goals. They just have quality on every line. Nic Nat in great form, Gaff, Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, etc - nothing more needs to be said. In terms of individual talent that has actually delivered (i.e not counting "potential" like GWS and the Suns) I would argue they have the most talented list in the comp.
I'm not expecting too much against an in form WCE, but you never know with us.
I'm not expecting too much against an in form WCE, but you never know with us.
Most interesting thing for me is how our defence handles Kennedy and Darling, I hope for some real improvement against A-Grade power forwards.
The rest I'm not expecting too much.
we beat geelong ,footy gods were on our side that night ,2 players down and in 7/8 min of football almost won game we just hanged on
Yes, we thrashed them unmercifully for 3 qtrs then $hit the bed in the last but held on.
Our best is good enough but....................
we beat geelong ,footy gods were on our side that night ,2 players down and in 7/8 min of football almost won game we just hanged on
Yep. Sadly, the word is that the Pussycats were over-confident, thought they had it in the bag. Supported by playing a chubby Jack Steven (who gifted us a goal with a misdirected hand ball... among other stuff ups from him, a brilliant but sadly underdone player).
But that doesn't alter the fact that we came to play and took advantage of their lethargy / few % drop in focus which you cannot do against any side these days... well, maybe against the Crows you'd get away with it!
Yep. Sadly, the word is that the Pussycats were over-confident, thought they had it in the bag. Supported by playing a chubby Jack Steven (who gifted us a goal with a misdirected hand ball... among other stuff ups from him, a brilliant but sadly underdone player).
But that doesn't alter the fact that we came to play and took advantage of their lethargy / few % drop in focus which you cannot do against any side these days... well, maybe against the Crows you'd get away with it!
They almost got away with it. They were coming like an avalanche. I'm quite certain that with another 3 or 4 minutes they would have rolled us.
Mate just thinking about it, apart from the last 5 losses in row, prior to that was always 50-50 against them whether it was in here or there. If they really care about how they lost yesterday and really want to redeem themselves, we are a sneaky chance. Last 20 games are as follows:
LWLLLLWWWWLLLWWLLLLL
We've just about always matched up well on the Weagles. And we've played plenty of good footy in the West. And in a season like this one there is seldom a lay down misere.
I just hope we coach the midfield this week to take control of the game, if the opposition kick two in a row, by slowing the game down to prevent our usual gifting opposition sides 4-7 consecutive goals... then get our bearings and go nuts again.
I also hope we rest Murphy and give a kid a go.
I also hope we drop Moore.
I also hope we give Gibbons, Cuningham, Martin, SPS & even Edwardo more/some midfield time. And, conversely, give Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield more time up forward.
I also hope we make changes within a game when needed.
I also hope SPS gets some midfield/forward time and we consign the backman experiment to the rubbish bin.
I hope the Weagles (like the Pussy Cats) are so over-confident that they rest Nic Nat.
I also hope we send the coaching group and players more of the Jekyll & Hyde formula that we obviously sip on in games, but this time increase the dose so that everyone gets more sustained mongrel/ferocity! More Hyde, less Jekyll thank you.
Unlike Hawthorn who view us at their bunnies we usually do ok vs WC and make a good game of it even in Perth.
I expect a close game and give us a chance.....Jones, Weitering can look after Kennedy and the WC backline without the good McGovern isnt that brilliant IMO.
Its all about the midfield and can we lock down on Shuey, Kelly, Gaff, Yeo etc.....the latter will probably get Cripps and he usually does well so we need a lift from Kennedy, Setterfield, etc...
All this we do well against the Eagles stuff is setting us up for failure.
When was the last time we played the eagles.....and did they have some bloke called Tim Kelly playing for them?
Kelly vs Cripps both on current form, is a huge win for Kelly.
Do i need to continue down the midfield chain from there? :-*
All this we do well against the Eagles stuff is setting us up for failure.
How so? Pretty sure the players and coaches don't read this and say... 'hey, GTC, EB1, Baggers (and so on) reckon we'll do all right against the Weagles... you beauty!'
Nuh. And I'm pretty damn sure the players aren't thinking, 'We match up well on the Weagles... nothing to worry about...' Nuh. They'll know the huge task in front of them.
How so? Pretty sure the players and coaches don't read this and say... 'hey, GTC, EB1, Baggers (and so on) reckon we'll do all right against the Weagles... you beauty!'
Nuh. And I'm pretty damn sure the players aren't thinking, 'We match up well on the Weagles... nothing to worry about...' Nuh. They'll know the huge task in front of them.
Us = the supporters
I love reading all the faith in the players, and potential match ups. Chances to win are always there. Wake up guys and don’t be surprised once we clearly get spanked by 10 goals plus. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen, but most of us suspect it will. Some of us. O.K it’s me and only me. Just being realistic and pessimistic at the same time. One thing is certain. We can’t play the Eagles back into some form. They already have that. Let’s just hope it’s less than 5 goals. That isn’t asking or expecting too much. Surely.
I love reading all the faith in the players, and potential match ups. Chances to win are always there. Wake up guys and don’t be surprised once we clearly get spanked by 10 goals plus. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen, but most of us suspect it will. Some of us. O.K it’s me and only me. Just being realistic and pessimistic at the same time. One thing is certain. We can’t play the Eagles back into some form. They already have that. Let’s just hope it’s less than 5 goals. That isn’t asking or expecting too much. Surely.
At their best, Carlton can beat anyone, anytime, anywhere irrespective of their form, plain and simple. Can we deliver such performance v the Weagles, we shall see. Depends which Carlton turns up.
As much as I'd enjoy a win, we (IMO) don't have a hope in hell. And I hate being a misery guts, believe me. Shakeout time to decide what we really want from the season.
Shakeout time to decide what we really want from the season.
Agree. Maybe there are some within the club who still reckon we're a finals chance and hence want to put our 'most experienced' group on the paddock. But not moi. Time to blood a couple of newbies... over the next few weeks let's give TDK, Honey & Philp a crack, and get Fisher, Marchbank and SOJ back into the side asap. And once Stocker returns from Melb get him up and about and also a crack at senior footy before the season ends.
The first two to be rested this week should be Moore (well, deported more than rested) and Murphy.
As much as I'd enjoy a win, we (IMO) don't have a hope in hell. And I hate being a misery guts, believe me. Shakeout time to decide what we really want from the season.
Easy right now. Want finals and it stays that way until we can't. We only had that one bad game. Could've been many reasons for that. All sides have them.
If you can win at Geelong you can win anywhere. Two of the best sides in the comp know exactly how we can play. I'm not tipping us given it's in Perth, too close in the tipping comp to do that, lol, but a win certainly would not surprise. West Coast will be very worried about playing us, make no mistake. They come out not filly switched on they lose. In 20 games we have been very highly competitive in all but 2. Inconsistencies during games, 13 30 point swings in 20 games, have cost us a few wins, which could've had us 13-7 rather than 10-10 from when Teague started. That's the one step to get right that will shoot us right up the ladder. Then we look anyone on the eye and match them.
Agree. Maybe there are some within the club who still reckon we're a finals chance and hence want to put our 'most experienced' group on the paddock. But not moi. Time to blood a couple of newbies... over the next few weeks let's give TDK, Honey & Philp a crack, and get Fisher, Marchbank and SOJ back into the side asap. And once Stocker returns from Melb get him up and about and also a crack at senior footy before the season ends.
The first two to be rested this week should be Moore (well, deported more than rested) and Murphy.
When you're one game out of the 8 with a better percentage of course you chase finals. Why the hell would you give that up. Anything else is a losers mentality, which can happen when you lose for most of 20 years. While it's there you chase it hard otherwise it's just purely giving up. We don't expect our side to give up, supporters need to follow suit.
You're keeping the faith Jim. This is a "nothing" season so "anything" is worth a go. ;D
Easy right now. Want finals and it stays that way until we can't. We only had that one bad game. Could've been many reasons for that. All sides have them.
If you can win at Geelong you can win anywhere. Two of the best sides in the comp know exactly how we can play. I'm not tipping us given it's in Perth, too close in the tipping comp to do that, lol, but a win certainly would not surprise. West Coast will be very worried about playing us, make no mistake. They come out not filly switched on they lose. In 20 games we have been very highly competitive in all but 2. Inconsistencies during games, 13 30 point swings in 20 games, have cost us a few wins, which could've had us 13-7 rather than 10-10 from when Teague started. That's the one step to get right that will shoot us right up the ladder. Then we look anyone on the eye and match them.
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I'm actually torn...At our best we are a chance to beat anyone.
But we're up and down like a yo-yo.
And the prophet in me says we aren't consistent enough to make a good fist of it this year.
I'd still go with the play our winningest side until finals chances disappear completely.
The experience of finals football is a valuable one in any team's development.
But the minute we're no longer a chance start the experiments.
I'm actually torn...At our best we are a chance to beat anyone.
But we're up and down like a yo-yo.
And the prophet in me says we aren't consistent enough to make a good fist of it this year.
I'd still go with the play our winningest side until finals chances disappear completely.
The experience of finals football is a valuable one in any team's development.
But the minute we're no longer a chance start the experiments.
That's the stage we're at. Inconsistent, and that's during games, and cost us wins. Sort that and we start to really make it.
You're keeping the faith Jim. This is a "nothing" season so "anything" is worth a go. ;D
Just a game out with a better percentage, so a win could put us in. Any finals in any year is most valuable to our development. Even if we miss them at least competing hard for them will aid our development learning to play with that type of pressure.
It's just nice to be thinking of that rather than looking who the no.1 pick is going to be for us...lol.
That's the stage we're at. Inconsistent, and that's during games, and cost us wins. Sort that and we start to really make it.
Jim I think we need to bolster up our onfield leadership if we are to take that next step.
Jim I think we need to bolster up our onfield leadership if we are to take that next step.
That's part of it but wipe out the inconsistency and we would've had quite a few more wins, which puts us really right there. They both might be entwined.
Who comes in for Cunningham, who's out for 2 weeks with a calf strain.
Honey or Fisher. Honey sounds a similar type.
Lot of talent in the Honey family. Father a Commonwealth Games bronze medalist, mother a national netball Diamond, sister a Melbourne Vixen, uncle an Olympic silver medalist behind Carl Lewis and a 2 times Commonwealth Games gold medalist. So if bloodlines count for anything.....
I'm actually torn...At our best we are a chance to beat anyone.
But we're up and down like a yo-yo.
Those two lines sum Carlton up BUT, many around us a falling like dominoes so keep the faith against WC, it aint over till its over.
Jim I think we need to bolster up our onfield leadership if we are to take that next step.
That's part of it but wipe out the inconsistency and we would've had quite a few more wins, which puts us really right there. They both might be entwined.
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The problem is that inconsistency is in the nature of some of these players.
It's ingrained
Cunningham's one of the prime examples.
We all know what he's capable of but he produces it inconsistently.
And he's not Robinson Crusoe.
How do you wipe that out?
You can't do it just by saying "We need to be more consistent."
And for players like Dow, Fisher , O'Brien, SPS etc there may be different reasons for their inconsistency
At the moment we're probably picking teams with the best chance to win (with the odd notable exception)
The fact that we're relying on scratch matches for our second tier players, rather than a formal secondary competition, means players not in the top 22 are being managed in terms of game time and probably not getting proper hit-outs.
All this gives them a lesser opportunity to put pressure on the senior side.
Who comes in for Cunningham, who's out for 2 weeks with a calf strain.
Honey or Fisher. Honey sounds a similar type.
Lot of talent in the Honey family. Father a Commonwealth Games bronze medalist, mother a national netball Diamond, sister a Melbourne Vixen, uncle an Olympic silver medalist behind Carl Lewis and a 2 times Commonwealth Games gold medalist. So if bloodlines count for anything.....
Sam Philp was named as an emergency along with Zac Fisher. I think they may blood Philp who has a good turn of speed and can win his own ball.
None of the fringe players are having the opportunity to have a real hit out and prove their worth due to the current arrangements. These scratch matches are the old ‘dancing with your sister’ analogy that Pagan used to refer to. Bloody hard gig trying to stake your claim these day......
(Wouldn’t mind seeing what Cotrell has to offer.....)
One can't tread water forever by failing to reward those maybe more deserving of chances. How many has Lang had?
I'm actually torn...At our best we are a chance to beat anyone.
But we're up and down like a yo-yo.
And the prophet in me says we aren't consistent enough to make a good fist of it this year.
I'd still go with the play our winningest side until finals chances disappear completely.
The experience of finals football is a valuable one in any team's development.
But the minute we're no longer a chance start the experiments.
Wish I could find the article from last Friday calling us the 'Jekyll & Hyde' of the AFL... within games! And the author of the article correctly predicted that it would be an issue against the Dawks.
When you're one game out of the 8 with a better percentage of course you chase finals. Why the hell would you give that up. Anything else is a losers mentality, which can happen when you lose for most of 20 years. While it's there you chase it hard otherwise it's just purely giving up. We don't expect our side to give up, supporters need to follow suit.
And to me chasing a finals berth hard, firstly requires winning. As a part of that we need to be really honest with ourselves why we do not win when in patches we show we are clearly able to. Our costly fades in games are now legendary. We consistently and persistently give up opposition run-ons of 4-7 goals. No finals until that stops... and it can, now.
Before you can fix something you gotta admit the problem, then apply the solution. Almost every pundit of our game has identified poor adapting to change by our midfield as undermining our potential success. Plus we're so conservative at the selection table and on match day. Boldness needed.
For me it's about doing your utmost to win (rather than focusing on finals)... and knowing that the rest will take care of itself, once you develop the winning habit. And for me winning often means some boldness and a complete intolerance of beige games from anyone. As an example, Murphy is too often a liability... yes, he does some good things but at critical moments you cannot have a leader who can't land a hard tackle and is seemingly committed to bruise free footy. Is his want to play on selfish? There are other examples.
Recruiting blokes as midfielders (Gibbo / SPS for example) then playing them out of position is a recipe for at best ordinariness.
When I suggest being bold at the selection table, player positions and match day tactics it's actually in an effort to win! Playing newbies is not about putting the cue in the rack, rather trying other options in an attempt to improve the chance of winning - and stopping the wild surrenders in games that let opposition sides get a sniff, and more often than not, take the lead. The whole place needs some nasty pills... mongrel... tenacity.
The present situation, the status quo of playing blokes out of position, not rotating more cats through the midfield and so on will only get us more of what we're already getting - close games, with wild fluctuations from us, decided by a coin toss.
Who comes in for Cunningham, who's out for 2 weeks with a calf strain.
Honey or Fisher. Honey sounds a similar type.
Lot of talent in the Honey family. Father a Commonwealth Games bronze medalist, mother a national netball Diamond, sister a Melbourne Vixen, uncle an Olympic silver medalist behind Carl Lewis and a 2 times Commonwealth Games gold medalist. So if bloodlines count for anything.....
Honey is more like Gary Rohan but not as quick....will play a quarter then go missing, can do the big mark, big tackle, kick the big goal but will frustrate many with his inconsistency and laconic approach.
I'm a fan of his ability but he is going to polarize fans big time...
None of the fringe players are having the opportunity to have a real hit out and prove their worth due to the current arrangements. These scratch matches are the old ‘dancing with your sister’ analogy that Pagan used to refer to. Bloody hard gig trying to stake your claim these day......
(Wouldn’t mind seeing what Cotrell has to offer.....)
Cotrell seems like a bit of a mad bagger based on the video on the website. He is seen leading a chant just before the 2s run out for a scratch match, reminds me of Robbo.
Honey is more like Gary Rohan but not as quick....will play a quarter then go missing, can do the big mark, big tackle, kick the big goal but will frustrate many with his inconsistency and laconic approach.
I'm a fan of his ability but he is going to polarize fans big time...
Honey sounds like the perfect replacement for Cuningham... does good things and goes missing - like for like!!
In all seriousness you'd expect Zachery to get the nod if he's had sufficient training. And Brackets (if he comes up) for Moore. I'd like to see Philp again and Murphy rested but that won't happen.
Who comes in for Cunningham, who's out for 2 weeks with a calf strain.
Honey or Fisher. Honey sounds a similar type.
Lot of talent in the Honey family. Father a Commonwealth Games bronze medalist, mother a national netball Diamond, sister a Melbourne Vixen, uncle an Olympic silver medalist behind Carl Lewis and a 2 times Commonwealth Games gold medalist. So if bloodlines count for anything.....
I'd be very tempted to give Honey a go. He isn't huge, but he is fast and aggressive. He doesn't take backwards steps.
Wish I could find the article from last Friday calling us the 'Jekyll & Hyde' of the AFL... within games! And the author of the article correctly predicted that it would be an issue against the Dawks.
It was the McGuane article in the HS, I posted it:
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5087.msg308012#msg308012
Here's another article Baggers, warning this one contains footage of our captains that may offend.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-carlton-loss-to-hawthorn-stats-after-first-quarter-nick-dal-santo-says-blues-not-ready/news-story/bde6e9f69f69880914bb8dbe9cf3e7d4?fbclid=IwAR2VYHrkF5FMRIaYqVE--jMSkMeQ2-vEzzDCMO_wBMMta9kpoWC8DcOCBGo
Cotrell seems like a bit of a mad bagger based on the video on the website. He is seen leading a chant just before the 2s run out for a scratch match, reminds me of Robbo.
I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo
I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.
I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo
I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.
Im abit over Fisher, like many younger ones on our list he provides too little too often. I would rather see something we haven't seen yet (if form warrants it).
I thought similar re Cottrel being like Robbo
I'd be giving him a game over Philp. But i'd be giving Fisher a game over either of them first.
Cottrel is a better footballer than people realise, but he's a meat and potatoes type, I suppose because they don't see much VFL they haven't given him any credit, but he reminds me a bit of the Filth's Nick Maxwell, I've seen Cottrel do a few Ken Hunter type things in VFL putting his body on the line, but that's VFL. Maybe he is one of these guys like Duigan or Armfield, who'll never be a star but just come in week after week and get a job done. and provide some team ethic.
I hope he get's an opportunity soon, I'm keen to see if he can go up a level and find a way to be competitive. He could easily go the other way and end up a chook runner! Plus Cottrel's disposal is a bit weak, but I wouldn't say he is any worse than some already in the team.
It's a bit sad that coaches seem unable to get over the athleticism, size and strength aspects, you'd think in particular our coaches would have learned from Gibbons it's not always about the measurements you can make.
Last listed at 181cm, 72kg.
An enforcer he ain't.
Cotterell couldn't get the ball at U18 level, played tagging roles and on the wing.
Had a shocker U18 GF too... Pros.. he is quick, tackles OK. Philp has more upside but Cotterell will probably follow direction better as that was one of his strengths at U18 level that he will sacrifice his own game, is mature and happy to be a negative player. I prefer to be aggressive and introduce players like Philp or Dow back into the team that can win games..
Last listed at 181cm, 72kg.
An enforcer he ain't.
True, but Hunter was 183cm x 76kg, he wasn't soft, size has little to do with it, Hunter was smaller(lighter) than Kade Simpson!
Cotterell couldn't get the ball at U18 level, played tagging roles and on the wing.
Had a shocker U18 GF too... Pros.. he is quick, tackles OK. Philp has more upside but Cotterell will probably follow direction better as that was one of his strengths at U18 level that he will sacrifice his own game, is mature and happy to be a negative player. I prefer to be aggressive and introduce players like Philp or Dow back into the team that can win games..
True, the U18s stuff wasn't great, but he won't be on his own in that regard, the last part of the VFL season he got to play in he was pretty good for those that got to see it. Better than we've seen from a bunch of other guys on our list and that is all I can judge him by!
While I don;t know the coaching instructions, when you a a role player sometimes how you go depends on how well others around you follow the rules! Often the U18 stuff is a side-show, with 22 individuals all trying to impress the recruiters. You get stars come out of that the fall dead flat in the AFL system because even if they had diarrhoea the couldn't or wouldn't follow a map to a dunny.
True, but Hunter was 183cm x 76kg, he wasn't soft, size has little to do with it, Hunter was smaller(lighter) than Kade Simpson!
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.
Yes, I'm not trying to parallel Ken Hunter to anybody, in regard to talent, but I think the size analogy in regard to being capable at AFL level is still relevant.
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.
And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1
Super player. Parkin calls Hunter his favourite player of all time.
And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1
Hunter was "brave, courageous and bold".
He was also a very talented footballer.
He attacked the contest with ferocity, and a bit like Simpson, regularly had the crap knocked out of him
Just wondering though whether the size requirements are a little different these days with 190cm/90kg+ midfielders running around.
Hunter was "brave, courageous and bold".
He was also a very talented footballer.
He attacked the contest with ferocity, and a bit like Simpson, regularly had the crap knocked out of him
Just wondering though whether the size requirements are a little different these days with 190cm/90kg+ midfielders running around.
But isn't that question equally targeting a Simmo or Walsh?
I think there is still plenty of space for variety, and I suspect a lack of variety is possible a very likely contributing cause for a lack of progress.
Robots only do something unpredictable or weird when they break, too many of the same and everybody knows what you are doing most of the time!
But isn't that question equally targeting a Simmo or Walsh?
I think there is still plenty of space for variety, and I suspect a lack of variety is possible a very likely contributing cause for a lack of progress.
Robots only do something unpredictable or weird when they break, too many of the same and everybody knows what you are doing most of the time!
I'm not saying that there isn't a place for the talented, courageous, smaller player.
But in terms of having a physical, hurtful, intimidating impact on a contest, which is the area we're lacking, a Walsh or Simpson doesn't really have that same effect as a bigger, stronger player.
Cottrel is a better footballer than people realise, but he's a meat and potatoes type, I suppose because they don't see much VFL they haven't given him any credit, but he reminds me a bit of the Filth's Nick Maxwell, I've seen Cottrel do a few Ken Hunter type things in VFL putting his body on the line, but that's VFL. Maybe he is one of these guys like Duigan or Armfield, who'll never be a star but just come in week after week and get a job done. and provide some team ethic.
I hope he get's an opportunity soon, I'm keen to see if he can go up a level and find a way to be competitive. He could easily go the other way and end up a chook runner! Plus Cottrel's disposal is a bit weak, but I wouldn't say he is any worse than some already in the team.
It's a bit sad that coaches seem unable to get over the athleticism, size and strength aspects, you'd think in particular our coaches would have learned from Gibbons it's not always about the measurements you can make.
Isnt Cottrell a time trial beast? Did he beat the Curnows last year in PS?
Isnt Cottrell a time trial beast? Did he beat the Curnows last year in PS?
Correct an aerobic machine but not super fast, he can stay the journey with just about any opponent. Perhaps a long term replacement of Ed is an option in this regard, but I'm not going to claim he hasn't got a long football journey to take before he can be consider as an option.
I suppose the point I'm making when writing about these guys is to not write them off too quickly when they show stuff at VFL level. In my opinion, there are quite a few blokes who a list cloggers and time wasters who cruise through the VFL and disappoint in the AFL, I think those types can do as much team ethic damage as they do on field damage! You know the type, the guys who spend five minutes looking like "Jesus in a Jumper" then go off with a hangnail!
And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1
That was a a close one between Buzza and Hunter that day.
cottrell,honey dow,philp when is the match committee going to play these yougsters and find out wat we have.
That was a a close one between Buzza and Hunter that day.
And boy, did I give it to their supporters.
And boy, did I give it to their supporters.
Geez, and don't they cut up worse than perhaps even the Filth supporters. :D
They sure shut up after half time. Gave it to that sheila Rob Wiley all day ;)
They sure shut up after half time. Gave it to that sheila Rob Wiley all day ;)
As much as those Ferals cut up, the Filth supporters, even giving it to the Sleepy Hollow Handbaggers as one is prone to do from time to time, or standing on the fringe of the Animal Enclosure in days gone by, I've never really felt unsafe as it was all part of the theatre.
But in the Bullring, surrounded by drugged up CheatsFC supporters, all Bikies, Skinheads and angry angry types in a collared shirt, I've never really felt safe. I think they've been doing as their idols do, and taking in a bit too much Hexarelin! You can't put a collared shirt on a piece of shizen and expect it to be anymore than a piece of shizen!
We had Bolten coaching for the future. Selections for the future. Positioning players for the future. Most supporters weren't happy with that. We were losing and nearly all of our players, senior one's included, have never been part of a successful team.
Coaching and selecting for the future is fine when you have a culture and players that have seen success. Or if you realise success in a reasonable time frame. But our club is devoid of success and we need to be chasing whatever wins we can get. We need to be putting our best side out there every week, maybe rotating new players in and out, but unless injuries dictate, only 1 or 2 of the new guys each week.
The players don't know how to be successful. This shambolic season has allowed them to start to experience a couple of wins and they should be doing everything in the club's power to continue that.
We had Bolten coaching for the future. Selections for the future. Positioning players for the future. Most supporters weren't happy with that. We were losing and nearly all of our players, senior one's included, have never been part of a successful team.
Coaching and selecting for the future is fine when you have a culture and players that have seen success. Or if you realise success in a reasonable time frame. But our club is devoid of success and we need to be chasing whatever wins we can get. We need to be putting our best side out there every week, maybe rotating new players in and out, but unless injuries dictate, only 1 or 2 of the new guys each week.
The players don't know how to be successful. This shambolic season has allowed them to start to experience a couple of wins and they should be doing everything in the club's power to continue that.
Yep.
Thing is, we should be able to cater for both future and now. Thats why Bolton got the lemon sars. Too forward looking.
Play your best lineup. If that involves a kid pressing for selection, or who will be better than your other options, give them a go. Rotate them through the team, and gradually build up their responsibility until they show they can be a 24/7 footballer.
Not play a lochie Obrien or Paddy Dow until their void of form, confidence and then show ability well below their capability.
Build it up. We are very fortunate. We have a batch of ready to go replacements, who have played about 50 senior games of footy at very young ages, and we dont have to rush them in. They can rotate through the team and understudy for our experienced blokes and hopefully develop an edge to their game.
Thing is, we should be able to cater for both future and now. Thats why Bolton got the lemon sars. Too forward looking.
Yes, I tend to agree.
I think it is now obvious that the club wanted some demonstration from BB of progress. They unequivocally put him under the pump to demonstrate something, some wins for example, and he couldn't deliver in the few weeks he was aware of being under that scrutiny.
The fact that Teague took over, and I admit while changing how players were used he did deliver a result, certainly says something that BB couldn't or wouldn't.
I'm not entering into any debates regarding the ethics of this, but it is pretty clear in retrospect it played some part in his demise.
Team still hasn't been named. :(
WTF is going on with the Teams ....
In DeKoning, Fisher, Cotrell
Out Moore, McKay, Cunningham
Teams make sense......kinda
Fisher in for injured Cunners
TDK in for Moore who is dropped.
Cottrell in for injured Harry.......huh?!
In DeKoning, Fisher, Cotrell
Out Moore, McKay, Cunningham
Finally we get to see TDK and Cottrell, I hope they throw themselves at the contest like they have done in the 2's.
H and Cunningham injured yet again is a real worry.
Re Cotrell for McKay: No Silvagni, no McGovern..... no real alternative, plus it’s going to be wet. Better to have soldiers on the ground than in the air.
Re Cotrell for McKay: No Silvagni, no McGovern..... no real alternative, plus it’s going to be wet. Better to have soldiers on the ground than in the air.
Very good point. Wet will be better for us I think. Pick a team to best utilise the conditions.
Gee, when you look at the two sides on paper... gulp!
Looking forward to seeing how Cottrell & TDK do.
Seems to me that it is Fisher for Cuningham... that's okay as Fisher will work all day though he doesn't have the deft touch that 'cameo' Cuningham does. TDK for H makes sense. And Cottrell for Moore makes sense, in fact Cottrell's dog would be a reasonable swap for Moore (not to denigrate Cottrell himself :D )
Gee, when you look at the two sides on paper... gulp!
Looking forward to seeing how Cottrell & TDK do.
Seems to me that it is Fisher for Cuningham... that's okay as Fisher will work all day though he doesn't have the deft touch that 'cameo' Cuningham does. TDK for H makes sense. And Cottrell for Moore makes sense, in fact Cottrell's dog would be a reasonable swap for Moore (not to denigrate Cottrell himself :D )
I think people have forgotten how good a fit fisher can be. Its understandable as he's been injured/coming back from injury for years.
His best is very good.....we just haven't seen it for a LONG time.
We didn't get much choice having to go smaller.
This time last year our forward line was Charlie, Harry and Gov......all not there.
Very good point. Wet will be better for us I think. Pick a team to best utilise the conditions.
Plenty of chaos ball.
Re Cotrell for McKay: No Silvagni, no McGovern..... no real alternative, plus it’s going to be wet. Better to have soldiers on the ground than in the air.
Indeed. The forecast is for pouring rain. Don't know if that helps us or not, to be honest. We haven't had many positive results in the wet in recent years and our aboriginal players usually put in shockers.
Not a bad team for the wet, not top heavy.
Fisher and Cottrell add run, De Koning is very mobile not unlike McKay.
Finally we get to see TDK and Cottrell, I hope they throw themselves at the contest like they have done in the 2's.
H and Cunningham injured yet again is a real worry.
Hope Cottrell doesnt get one of their big name mids.....glad its raining. You have to ask the question about how Obrien is tracking...first Philp and now Cottrell picked ahead of him.
I would have played Obrien unless injured on Gaff for the experience and see if he has improved..
Glad to see Fisher and TDK in although the weather wont help the latter.
Indeed. The forecast is for pouring rain. Don't know if that helps us or not, to be honest. We haven't had many positive results in the wet in recent years and our aboriginal players usually put in shockers.
Done alright in the wet this year though. Used the ball like elite stars against the Dogs in the wet.
Hope Cottrell doesnt get one of their big name mids.....glad its raining. You have to ask the question about how Obrien is tracking...first Philp and now Cottrell picked ahead of him.
I would have played Obrien unless injured on Gaff for the experience and see if he has improved..
Glad to see Fisher and TDK in although the weather wont help the latter.
Obrien is a player that has never really shown 'it' in my book.
Cottrell is a running beast.
Fisher is agile, quick and slippery.
Dow has some smarts and bursts from packs ala Judd
Even some others...
Polson has speed
Lang has smarts
Moore has athletic ability for his height
Obrien has......what?
Obrien is a player that has never really shown 'it' in my book.
Cottrell is a running beast.
Fisher is agile, quick and slippery.
Dow has some smarts and bursts from packs ala Judd
Even some others...
Polson has speed
Lang has smarts
Moore has athletic ability for his height
Obrien has......what?
I'm far from head of the Obrien fan club and agree he hasnt shown much but he was a pick 10, had the reputation as a good ball user and decision maker at U18 level . Dow has been injured and is a terrible kick but again I want to see him in the team ahead of a limited defensive player like Cottrell.
Polson was a ordinary draft selection and like Lang wont be with us very long...Moore will be joining them on Jobseeker.
I'm a fan of Fisher and have been since watching him at the U18 Carnival games lets hope he has got over his injuries and loss of form.
I'm far from head of the Obrien fan club and agree he hasnt shown much but he was a pick 10, had the reputation as a good ball user and decision maker at U18 level . Dow has been injured and is a terrible kick but again I want to see him in the team ahead of a limited defensive player like Cottrell.
Polson was a ordinary draft selection and like Lang wont be with us very long...Moore will be joining them on Jobseeker.
I'm a fan of Fisher and have been since watching him at the U18 Carnival games lets hope he has got over his injuries and loss of form.
I agree from that second lot they will be in line for a new job next year....but i can at least see why you might get excited about them. Shifter Sheehan says you must have '1 thing' to set you apart from others. That '1 thing' will get you drafted. I can see that 1' thing' with them.....unfortunately there isn't much else.
I don't know what that '1 thing' with Obrien is.
I know he was taken at 10, but i don't know why. He got games because he was a pick 10, but i didn't really see his '1 thing' in any of those games
I agree from that second lot they will be in line for a new job next year....but i can at least see why you might get excited about them. Shifter Sheehan says you must have '1 thing' to set you apart from others. That '1 thing' will get you drafted. I can see that 1' thing' with them.....unfortunately there isn't much else.
I don't know what that '1 thing' with Obrien is.
I know he was taken at 10, but i don't know why. He got games because he was a pick 10, but i didn't really see his '1 thing' in any of those games
Obriens weapon at U18 level was his kicking......everyone loves a leftie who can kick the big penetrating ball into the forward line.
However at senior level he has struggled, kicks the odd good one but then sends a few out on the full and undoes whatever good passes he has made. Like Dow has also struggled to get the ball and doesnt like the extra physicality both receiving and trying to tackle the bigger bodies.
He was the scribes pick at 10 but I struggled to get excited about him, if you look at 2017 it was a very uninspiring draft with plenty of misses from a few clubs...Tim Kelly the standout who was on the radar of SOS but it was going to be a brave recruiter to take a WAFL player at pick 10 after the Boekhorst debacle.
I guess my point is we made a decent investment in Dow and Obrien and I'd like to see a return if possible and we need to play them to see what they can deliver ahead of a player like Cottrell who might be a handy player but we really need the other two on show to see where their futures are with list sizes being squeezed..
Obriens weapon at U18 level was his kicking......everyone loves a leftie who can kick the big penetrating ball into the forward line.
However at senior level he has struggled, kicks the odd good one but then sends a few out on the full and undoes whatever good passes he has made. Like Dow has also struggled to get the ball and doesnt like the extra physicality both receiving and trying to tackle the bigger bodies.
He was the scribes pick at 10 but I struggled to get excited about him, if you look at 2017 it was a very uninspiring draft with plenty of misses from a few clubs...Tim Kelly the standout who was on the radar of SOS but it was going to be a brave recruiter to take a WAFL player at pick 10 after the Boekhorst debacle.
I guess my point is we made a decent investment in Dow and Obrien and I'd like to see a return if possible and we need to play them to see what they can deliver ahead of a player like Cottrell who might be a handy player but we really need the other two on show to see where their futures are with list sizes being squeezed..
Kenny Rogers said it best in regards to OBrien....
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
I don't see any value in holding OBrien at this stage. If his '1 thing' is no longer a thing....then what are we doing here?
From my what type of player thread i started, i selected an outside mid with good kicking as our greatest need. OBrien can supposedly fit that bill, but cannot get a game. Says plenty.
Kenny can take it from here....
I think with Simmo, sMurph and some others on the retirement slide it's too early to call on these guys, they are potentially part of the jigsaw puzzle that makes a balanced team.
As it stands, we probably need one of O'Brien or Stocker to come good as the distributor off the HBF, guys who in addition to Weitering came kick the eyes out of a Crow at 50m.
They might not be Simmo replacements, in the Simmo/Hunter style, but they won't kick 8 out of 10 straight back to the opposition either.
Time flies, now playing together in the same side.
Time flies, now playing together in the same side.
How good is that, being able to debut/play with one of your favorite childhood players. Make it a special one and get a W.
Time flies, now playing together in the same side.
Warms the cockles. Thank you for posting this, Squire. And I hope Cotts does land a few on Edwardo's chest.
Warms the cockles. Thank you for posting this, Squire. And I hope Cotts does land a few on Edwardo's chest.
I hope he gets a Jarryd Waite like opportunity late in the game but finishes in style!
I see Cottrell becoming our Ed Curnow replacement in a few years, he has the tank already to harass all day like a drovers dog just needs to learn Ed’s tricks and muscle. This will come with experience and opportunity that hopefully he will be given.
Defining game.
I reckon we'll learn a lot about our side today.
If we've really improved, if we are on the right track, we'll make a contest of it.