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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -
I think they can come across like that, but it's mostly a defence mechanism, particularly if they are late career scientists and engineers.

Maybe those who seem to be a touch on a spectrum, which is often more common than you might think, can have a very myopic approach being heavily focussed on one specific area, and that can leave others thinking they are dismissive or arrogant. It's more common than you might suspect, little eccentricities that annoy everyday folk.

On the issue of genuine arrogance, I find that it's very rare a good scientist is arrogant, in most cases the very good scientists doubt and question everything even their own work, which is actually the default scientific process.


I think I understand where you're coming from, Spotted One... so a point of clarification. When I use the word 'arrogant' pertaining to scientists/engineers/physicists and so on, I don't see it as a negative but rather a necessity for someone pursuing their goal provided it is often balanced with humility (but not so much you get walked over) and that humility often shows itself in questioning whatever they're doing and the way they're doing it, which you mention.

Right on the money when you bring in the 'spectrum' and how these folks may appear... their people skills are often not their strong suit. Not too many amazing scientific discoveries made by people who aren't/weren't bi-polar, Asperger... etc.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by LP -
Strange, but most of the scientists and engineers I know couldn't give a fig about social media, in fact their confidence borders on arrogance... which is necessary to further their work.
I think they can come across like that, but it's mostly a defence mechanism, particularly if they are late career scientists and engineers.

Maybe those who seem to be a touch on a spectrum, which is often more common than you might think, can have a very myopic approach being heavily focussed on one specific area, and that can leave others thinking they are dismissive or arrogant. It's more common than you might suspect, little eccentricities that annoy everyday folk.

For example, among those I have worked with there is a surprisingly high level of dyslexia, even in those who can freely speak multiple languages.

The ones who are great orators are truly the exception, but the general public seems to expect that a brilliant scientific mind assumes a brilliant communicator, and that is far from the case!

On the issue of genuine arrogance, I find that it's very rare a good scientist is arrogant, in most cases the very good scientists doubt and question everything even their own work, which is actually the default scientific process. Make an assertion and then test it, a good scientist is always trying to prove an assertion is false. It's the bad ones that mask other deficiencies and ignore scientific process that are often caught using arrogance as a deflection mechanism.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
I thought Ollie Hollands for the sub tonight. Cottrell might get the job on Langdon on one wing with Acres on the other.
Agree....Ollie is very loose and lets his man play off him too much, you cant do that vs Langdon or even the new kid Windsor who is a goalkicker. Id rather see a tight game like when we played Melbourne last time than a free for all up and down the ground high scoring game. Make every contest tough and frustrate Oliver, Gawn etc who dont like physical attention...Id be wanting Pittonet just to go at Gawn all the time and forget about tapouts etc and Id have Hewett shadowing Oliver everywhere he goes.
Petracca, Fritsch, May and Lever will have some impact and thats to be expected but as long as our key players like Cripps, Walsh, Charlie, Harry etc are doing the same I think we will win the game.
Blues by 11 points...
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by PaulP -
There are very few areas in life that don't involve a risk to benefit comparison. Apparently, 2 or 3 per 100,000 people vaccinated with AZ ended up with TTS. Granted, nobody wants to be one of those 2 or 3, but all things considered, there are a great many people who reaped the benefits of having an AZ vaccination (not to mention their close associates and loved ones) and very few that did not.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -
A common stress for the scientists and engineers is driven by doubt, that is the "imposter syndrome", they get bashed by the media and social media fakers and start to worry, this has a real world effect just like the PTSD you describe, and much of this doubt is seeded for profit, to sell adverting, newspapers or to beg for donations / subscriptions.

Strange, but most of the scientists and engineers I know couldn't give a fig about social media, in fact their confidence borders on arrogance... which is necessary to further their work.

I suspect you might like the work of Eric Weinstein. He dissects brilliantly the challenges facing modern day innovators/thinkers/creatives/physicists/mathematicians... He's no slouch in speaking out -- and has done for decades -- about the modern day blocks and stupidity of politicians to these invaluable folks.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
The Dees are a strong list, put too much focus on any one player and you let the others off the hook.

I think last time we played them we made life too easy for May and Lever, they nearly won the game for the Dees, except if I recall one uncharacteristic stuff up. Of course I think we had McKay out last time we played. (Ignoring pre-season rubbish.)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by rocky -
OK, so it's gameday. For me the key is Gawn. Has to be the number one target for us to nullify. I'd be reviewing the tape when Sydney played them and use the same tactics Grundy did way back then. Pitt doesn't have to get off the ground just use his bulk. Work him over as much as possible. I mean really work him over (legally). Intersperse that with the TDK leaping over the top of him and really finish him off.
Crucial we get that right tonight for any chance of a win.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Time to get rolling like we did second half of last year. Fear no one and mow them down one by one.
I think this is basically true, but I'd have another spin on it.

Fearing opponents is OK as it is a sign of respect, a little bit of fear is OK in this regard because it promotes thoroughness. But have confidence and trust in yourself, so that you remove hesitation and doubt.

We look slow at times because we hesitate, we have to trust each other and act on trust, and if someone isn't acting on that trust and respecting the trust the team has for them that becomes a job for coaches. To me that is what Voss implies when he talks about a collective.
(SciFi nerds will know of The Borg and the concept of a Hive Mind acting as one.)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by LP -
The anti-vaxxers will have an hysterical field day with the AZ information, and the shallow end of the media will feed this hysteria.
Another problem is that the fear the media and anti-vax brigade propagate have very real world effects.

Of course we accept a lot of what people see on social media is fake, but that doesn't mean it won't create anxiety and doubt, and those doubts are all stresses that everyone of us is susceptible to.

A common stress for the scientists and engineers is driven by doubt, that is the "imposter syndrome", they get bashed by the media and social media fakers and start to worry, this has a real world effect just like the PTSD you describe, and much of this doubt is seeded for profit, to sell adverting, newspapers or to beg for donations / subscriptions.

For me a good first start would be to make the giants of media and social media accountable for propagating fake news, they should be liable when the fake news leads to bad outcomes.