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Reply #345 – October 24, 2022, 05:19:16 pm

Quote from: northernblue on October 24, 2022, 04:43:45 pm

You're not one for nuance are you GTC ?
"Hes my dad and I loved him to bits, but he was a product of different times" and IF pressed "No, i don't agree with that statement"
It's really not that hard is it ?

I have lost all patience.

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Reply #346 – October 24, 2022, 05:36:59 pm

Quote from: PaulP on October 24, 2022, 04:41:09 pm

It does seem like amateur hour at NA, but I still think it's poor from Rinehart to simply leave them stranded like that. She could've and should've focussed on the higher ideal of doing what's best for Netball, the future of the sport etc. Instead.............

She has given them 4 months notice, more than what I would have given them.

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Reply #347 – October 24, 2022, 05:37:30 pm

I find this a rather strange situation...for no other reason than I can see a validity and reason for both sides actions.

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Reply #348 – October 24, 2022, 06:07:09 pm

I reckon Gina could have invited Ms Wallam for a cup of tea and a tim tam and showed her what Hancocks was about and that
it was nothing like the company founded by her old man many moons ago and had a different look on the community based on modern values.
All this saga would have been avoided and both company, player and NA could be winners but as usual humans prefer to pick sides and go to war early without thinking it through. Ms Wallam is a kid and Gina is meant to be a CEO/Leader who should know how to handle people from all walks of life and IMO the onus was on her to take some control and sort it out rather than taking her bat and ball and going home. Netball Australia wanted to talk, sort it out and I presume convinced Wallam to wear the logo but Gina had left the building after throwing the toys out the cot and ruined a golden opportunity to get some credibility in the community. Andrew Bolt had his say in the Herald Sun today about his mate Gina and it wouldnt even make good fish and chip paper it was that cringe worthy when he too had a chance to point out the only way forward in Aus is to get people talking and fix problems rather than run away from them like his buddy Gina did.

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Reply #349 – October 24, 2022, 06:09:27 pm

Quote from: madbluboy on October 24, 2022, 05:36:59 pm

She has given them 4 months notice.................

Generous to a fault.

Wisecracks aside, no individual player or NA as a governing body made any comments about ending the sponsorship deal. One of the players "reportedly" said she did not want to wear the logo because of her concerns about the company’s record on Indigenous issues. There's nothing in anything that I can't find about individual players or NA setting a future direction about the deal. There's nothing about any dialogue, any attempts to discuss the issues. Once Hancock became aware of the stance taken by the team, they offered a 4 month olive branch and pulled the deal. Yes, 4 months is better than nothing, but it's not really the point IMO.

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Reply #350 – October 24, 2022, 06:29:10 pm

Agree Paul and EB.
Does anyone actually think Gina has ever had any interest in sport, recreation and health ?
All she wanted was to appear to be a good corporate citizen with minimal outlay and zero compassion, a bit of PR.
She couldn't even muster a token chat, maybe she should talk to her extended aboriginal family...

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Reply #351 – October 24, 2022, 06:41:20 pm

Quote from: northernblue on October 24, 2022, 06:29:10 pm

Agree Paul and EB.
Does anyone actually think Gina has ever had any interest in sport, recreation and health ?
All she wanted was to appear to be a good corporate citizen with minimal outlay and zero compassion, a bit of PR.
She couldn't even muster a token chat, maybe she should talk to her extended aboriginal family...

I try to avoid cynicism as much as possible, but I tend to agree. To my eyes, it seems as though the slightest provocation was sufficient grounds for her to pull the plug. I mean let's face it, that protest action by the players was pretty weak. How much offence / damage could that possibly cause Rinehart ? I'm not sure Rinehart's reputation was all that great even before this started.

I think we will see this mess more and more in the future. Big companies and sporting organisations were never really comfortable bedfellows IMO.

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Reply #352 – October 24, 2022, 07:22:53 pm

Quote from: northernblue on October 24, 2022, 06:29:10 pm

Agree Paul and EB.
Does anyone actually think Gina has ever had any interest in sport, recreation and health ?
All she wanted was to appear to be a good corporate citizen with minimal outlay and zero compassion, a bit of PR.
She couldn't even muster a token chat, maybe she should talk to her extended aboriginal family...

Maybe she doesn't need to:

“Recent media misreporting has been disappointing, particularly given at no stage did Hancock insist its logo be worn on the Australian Diamonds‘ playing dress for the recent games in New Zealand, nor did the Australian Diamonds refuse to wear the Hancock logo.”

Some in the Indigenous community had previously defended Ms Rinehart, saying she did a large amount of charitable work and that she should not be judged because of what her father said.

Clinton Wolf, managing director of the National Indigenous Times, wrote in an op-ed on Monday that the negativity towards the Netball Australia sponsorship was “hypocritical”

“While others have criticised her from the sidelines, she does deeds with a good heart,” he said. “Actions always speak louder than words.”

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Reply #353 – October 24, 2022, 07:39:15 pm

Quote from: PaulP on October 24, 2022, 06:09:27 pm

Generous to a fault.

Wisecracks aside, no individual player or NA as a governing body made any comments about ending the sponsorship deal. One of the players "reportedly" said she did not want to wear the logo because of her concerns about the company’s record on Indigenous issues. There's nothing in anything that I can't find about individual players or NA setting a future direction about the deal. There's nothing about any dialogue, any attempts to discuss the issues. Once Hancock became aware of the stance taken by the team, they offered a 4 month olive branch and pulled the deal. Yes, 4 months is better than nothing, but it's not really the point IMO.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-11261287/Gina-Rinehart-sponsorship-Netball-national-team-sparks-anger-Sharni-Norder.html

This was our former Australian captain's views 3 weeks ago.

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Reply #354 – October 24, 2022, 07:55:18 pm

Quote from: madbluboy on October 24, 2022, 07:39:15 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-11261287/Gina-Rinehart-sponsorship-Netball-national-team-sparks-anger-Sharni-Norder.html

This was our former Australian captain's views 3 weeks ago.

The plot thickens. Apparently she addressed the current playing group,, and her gripe is about climate denialism, not Indigenous issues. But I take your point.

The Daily Mail ? Surely not. You'd be hard pressed to find a more egregiously trashy tabloid.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/15/diamonds-pressure-netball-australia-into-crisis-talks-over-deal-with-mining-magnate

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Reply #355 – October 24, 2022, 08:17:44 pm

I just googled to find the story I recalled hearing on radio a couple of weeks ago.

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Reply #356 – October 24, 2022, 08:25:17 pm

Quote from: madbluboy on October 24, 2022, 08:17:44 pm

I just googled to find the story I recalled hearing on radio a couple of weeks ago.

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Reply #357 – October 24, 2022, 09:51:52 pm

Only idiots bite the hands that feed you. Im not stupid enough to believe that Hancock need the sponsorship or the advertising to promote her brand, nor do they do it out of the kindness of her heart. Odds are its a tax offset for Hancock. Cost incurred to pay less tax on profits.

Thing is at the heart of all of it is respect and pride.

Gina can get that tax dump anywhere. If she believes that the competition she is sponsoring are disrespectful and ungrateful she may as well sponsor an Olympic athlete, or the Sunday league under 14s badminton instead for the same money.

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Reply #358 – October 25, 2022, 06:51:14 am

I think this topic/discussion should end here or be moved, this is after all the The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread.
Mods?

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Reply #359 – October 25, 2022, 08:52:53 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on October 25, 2022, 06:51:14 am

I think this topic/discussion should end here or be moved, this is after all the The Climate, Environment and Energy Thread.
Mods?

That’s easier said than done 🙄

It has become clear that the crux of the issue is the failure of Gina Rinehart to reject her father’s genocidal beliefs and not the environmental impacts of Hancock Prospecting. Then there’s the inept management of Netball Australia and corporate sponsorship in general. All worthy topics for new threads but not really appropriate for this thread.