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Reply #360 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Only idiots bite the hands that feed you.

Well then, 3 Leos, I must be an idiot as when the chieftain of a not-for-profit I did at times refuse sponsorship from certain industries. Values were more important than dollars.
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Reply #361 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Only idiots bite the hands that feed you.  Im not stupid enough to believe that Hancock need the sponsorship or the advertising to promote her brand,  nor do they do it out of the kindness of her heart.  Odds are its a tax offset for Hancock.  Cost incurred to pay less tax on profits.

Thing is at the heart of all of it is respect and pride.

Gina can get that tax dump anywhere.  If she believes that the competition she is sponsoring are disrespectful and ungrateful she may as well sponsor an Olympic athlete, or the Sunday league under 14s badminton instead for the same money.
Apologies to the mods for digressing ..
Gina gets her tax dump via the Institute of Public affairs where she offloads millions .
The IPA is nothing more than a front for the Liberal party to influence public opinion and you only have to check the senior office bearers/ board and see names like Abbott, Kemp etc.

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Reply #362 –
Quote from: DJC on
That’s easier said than done 🙄

It has become clear that the crux of the issue is the failure of Gina Rinehart to reject her father’s  genocidal beliefs and not the environmental impacts of Hancock Prospecting.  Then there’s the inept management of Netball Australia and corporate sponsorship in general.  All worthy topics for new threads but not really appropriate for this thread.

No it was about climate change. The narrative was changed.
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Reply #363 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Apologies to the mods for digressing ..
@ElwoodBlues1 It's not really a digression, because the tactic is widely used by corporates, politicians and environmental movements.

Really, it's a don't talk about the war moment, because they all claim higher ground and altruism while behaving exactly, and I do mean exactly, the very same way!
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Reply #364 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
No it was about climate change. The narrative was changed.
It's a great example of how a debate can be hijacked by social media to push political perspectives.

I don't get why there are some linking Gina's attitudes to her father, while slamming the activities of mining divisions people have to ignore the work Gina funds for social housing and education projects in the outback. It's a bit like people bagging Bill Gates for his philanthropy. The opponents slag it off as a tax dodge, and yet she can put her money wherever she chooses so it seems bizarre that some of these groups would slap a gift horse in the mouth.

Cynically, I suspect if they managed to get Hancock kicked of the land the very same groups would be mining it heavier with less restrictive overheads faster than you can blink! It's a bit like kicking developers of the land in NSW, then next minute, building a brand new 4000 home housing estate, pretty much the same development with the same project managers and contractors but a new indigenous façade on the gates. Same goes for a bunch of energy projects, wind is bad, wind is ugly, wind is noisy, ............... next minute .................... we're building 200 new winds turbines and getting a slice of the action!
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Reply #365 –
Quote from: LP on
It's a great example of how a debate can be hijacked by social media to push political perspectives.

I don't get why there are some linking Gina's attitudes to her father, while slamming the activities of mining divisions people have to ignore the work Gina funds for social housing and education projects in the outback. It's a bit like people bagging Bill Gates for his philanthropy. The opponents slag it off as a tax dodge, and yet she can put her money wherever she chooses so it seems bizarre that some of these groups would slap a gift horse in the mouth.

Cynically, I suspect if they managed to get Hancock kicked of the land the very same groups would be mining it heavier with less restrictive overheads faster than you can blink! It's a bit like kicking developers of the land in NSW, then next minute, building a brand new 4000 home housing estate, pretty much the same development with the same project managers and contractors but a new indigenous façade on the gates. Same goes for a bunch of energy projects, wind is bad, wind is ugly, wind is noisy, ............... next minute .................... we're building 200 new winds turbines and getting a slice of the action!
So if Hancock wasnt into mining and owned the worlds largest wind and solar farm, her money would be good right?
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2019-16th
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Reply #366 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
So if Hancock wasnt into mining and owned the worlds largest wind and solar farm, her money would be good right?
Sort of, if Hancock owned the world's largest wind or solar farm they might protest against the eyesore, ......... until they became stakeholders and obtained a dividend.

I'm highly cynical because I have a mate working in green energy that was dealing with these sorts of complaints, until some of the protestors got an arts grant to decorate some of the facilities like they paint old silos around the outback, and the protests went away, well at least until the grants run out!

I wonder if that overhead is included in the feasibility studies? :o

It's not hard to see how people become cynical.

btw., Does Hancock have a stake in the big Solar PV / Battery projects happening up in the top end?

Another example, wind energy is also an eyesore and shizen for potato growing, the spuds apparently will grow all crooked or stunted by the low frequency noise (infrasound), unless of course that same wind energy gives you free power or a dividend at which time it is no longer a problem and the spuds are happy!

According to some in PETA, wind farming is harmful to animals, and the government is endorsing cruelty to animals if it fails to ban sheep and cattle grazing at the foot of wind turbines. Look at these poor bastards, we've created for them a living hell!

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Reply #367 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
No it was about climate change. The narrative was changed.

That's incorrect.

Donnell Wallam asked to be exempted from wearing the Hancock Prospecting logo because of the genocidal comments made by Lang Hancock in the 1980s.  Some in the environmental movements seized upon the team's concerns with the sponsorship and tried to change the narrative to suit their agendas ... and that's what social media picked up.  Former Diamonds captain Sharni Norder voiced concerns over Hancock Prospecting’s environmental credentials but she is not part of the team and simply helped to cloud public perception of Wallam and the team's motivation. Wallam's story, and the team's response, has been consistent throughout the entire debacle and Netball Australia's decision not to grant Wallam an exemption has been made public. 

Netball Australia's statement makes the cause of issue very clear:

“Since becoming aware of cultural sensitivities raised by a Diamonds squad member in respect of the Hancock sponsorship uniform logo placement, Netball Australia and Hancock Prospecting have been working tirelessly to acknowledge and recognise the sensitivities, to further understand the concerns of that squad member and to provide avenues for support.

Hancock Prospecting met with the Origin Australian Diamonds leadership group the day after the concerns were raised to extend its support and commitment to Netball Australia and to share experiences, understand perspectives and support these cultural sensitivities through the partnership.”

After the meeting with Hancock Prospecting, Diamonds captain, Liz Watson, said;

“As players we do know that Hancock is such a great investment for our program. We are supportive of Hancock and all the players here are as well.”

This goes back to Netball Australia's Indigenous Round in 2020 when the only Indigenous player in the competition was used to promote the round.  Sadly, she wasn't given any court time and Netball Australia apologised and admitted that it had "missed an opportunity".  This led to Netball Australia, Super Netball players, the players’ association and member organisations signing a Declaration of Commitment that pledged to break down barriers for Indigenous players.  Netball Australia failed to do abide by the declaration with its mishandling of Wallam's request.  The players upheld their commitment with their support of Wallam. 

None of this has anything to do with climate change.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #368 –
They were talking about climate change 2 weeks ago on the radio. I provided an article as proof.

If you choose not to read it then so be it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #369 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
They were talking about climate change 2 weeks ago on the radio. I provided an article as proof.

If you choose not to read it then so be it.

By "they" you mean Sharni Norder, a former captain who finished her Diamonds career in 2017 (and most recently played AFLW for Collingwood).  She was critical of Netball Australia's sponsorship agreement with Hamcock Prospecting and made the following comment at the time of the sponsorship announcement:

"As a proud Sports Environment Alliance ambassador, it's unacceptable to put our brand alongside an open climate denier.  We have put too much into our sport to give social license to a company whose profit-at-all-cost attitude puts our future in danger. Be better."

The only thing that Norder's comments have to do with the dispute that led to Rinehart pulling her sponsorship is that some media outlets mistakenly assumed that it was about environmental issues.  Wallam's concerns weren't raised until a week or so after Norder's statement and the Diamonds players did not get involved until Netball Australia refused Wallam's request to go without the Hancock logo.  The current captain made it very clear that players are supportive of the Hancock sponsorship and are not concerned about the company's environmental record.  Their sole issue is supporting their Indigenous teammate in accordance with Netball Australia's commitment as set out in their statement:

"The singular issue of concern to the players was one of support for our only Indigenous team member. We are fully committed to the Diamonds' Sister in Arms legacy and the values this represents, alongside Australian Netball's Declaration of Commitment."

Hancock Prospecting, Roy Hill, Netball Australia, the Diamonds players and Wallam all agree that the issue has only ever been about cultural sensibilities so, no, the narrative hasn't changed.  Even Norder has provided commentary on the sponsorship dispute;

“We have an Indigenous player in her very first series, Donnell Wallam, and she’s openly said – which is very tough to say by the way as a player in a new organization representing Australia – that she doesn’t feel comfortable wearing Hancock Prospecting because of what has been said in the past.”

You have simply conflated two separate narratives. 
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #370 –
The narrative changed because the public didn't side with the netballers on climate change so they played the race card.

Gina's daddy was a racist so she should say sorry? Yeah Nah.
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Reply #371 –
So to summarise:
Gina's Daddy was a racist
Gina didn't say sorry
Gina digs holes not put in big windmills (or batteries which are made from the stuff from the holes Gina digs)
NA are incompetent
Woke sportspeople rule
NA are in the red to the tune of $25M
Keep smiling kids.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #372 –
The biggest hole dug this week wasn't one dug by Gina! ;D
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Reply #374 –
"The ones that are no good to themselves and can’t accept things, the half-castes — and this is where most of the trouble comes — I would dope the water up so that they were sterile and would breed themselves out in future and that would solve the problem."
The above quote from the charming Lang Hancock is what is behind a lot of the angst, I reckon Gina might have got on the front foot and clarified that was straight out of the White Australia playbook and nothing to do with the present Hancock Prospecting's Managements views on members of the first nations community. A simple apology on behalf of her family would have done a lot of good PR wise and made her look like a decent human.