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"The ones that are no good to themselves and can’t accept things, the half-castes — and this is where most of the trouble comes — I would dope the water up so that they were sterile and would breed themselves out in future and that would solve the problem."
The above quote from the charming Lang Hancock is what is behind a lot of the angst, I reckon Gina might have got on the front foot and clarified that was straight out of the White Australia playbook and nothing to do with the present Hancock Prospecting's Managements views on members of the first nations community. A simple apology on behalf of her family would have done a lot of good PR wise and made her look like a decent human.

Yes, I agree. Even if you take a cynical position, and assert that she is simply reading from a script and probably disagrees with every word, saying sorry does make a difference, even a small one. Words do matter. Words backed by equivalent actions are even better, but the words are a good, albeit small, start.

Agree..it would be Goebbels type PR without much conviction or truth but you have to start somewhere when you come from such a low base as her Fathers comments. But its gets people talking and other companies watching and learning as the bar is raised and thats whats disappointing as no progress has been made just more folk bickering.

Well then, 3 Leos, I must be an idiot as when the chieftain of a not-for-profit I did at times refuse sponsorship from certain industries. Values were more important than dollars.

Yes, I agree. Even if you take a cynical position, and assert that she is simply reading from a script and probably disagrees with every word, saying sorry does make a difference, even a small one. Words do matter. Words backed by equivalent actions are even better, but the words are a good, albeit small, start.

Without wanting to state anything about the original position, Kevin Rudd got up and said this sorry.

At some point, this isn't about righting wrongs its about making sure that the rage is maintained.  It's anti reconciliation and stands only to provoke and inflame.

Why do you think there is a giant backlash evey single time these matters come up?

Its because people shouldn't be made to feel guilt and shame for the ills of people that came before them.
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.......................No apology will erase history.  If someone wronged me, asking their children to apologise on their behalf is petty.  At some point you need to let bygones be bygones and let people heal from these wounds not reinforce it and hold it against them for ever.

I disagree on all points.

Without wanting to state anything about the original position, Kevin Rudd got up and said this sorry.

At some point, this isn't about righting wrongs its about making sure that the rage is maintained.  It's anti reconciliation and stands only to provoke and inflame.

Why do you think there is a giant backlash evey single time these matters come up?

Its because people shouldn't be made to feel guilt and shame for the ills of people that came before them.

Gallipoli literally translates to blue city in my native Greek language.  What do you think Turkey have to say about the hellespont and Gallipoli peninsula? Nothing. Its theirs was always theirs will always be theirs and nothing that anyone says will say otherwise including the conversion of Christian churches to Islamic temples.

The people that live in these places call it their home.  No apology will erase history.  If someone wronged me, asking their children to apologise on their behalf is petty.  At some point you need to let bygones be bygones and let people heal from these wounds not reinforce it and hold it against them for ever.

The narrative changed because the public didn't side with the netballers on climate change so they played the race card.

Gina's daddy was a racist so she should say sorry? Yeah Nah.

Your cultural heritage doesn’t give you insight into the colonial treatment of Indigenous Australians, Melanesians, Polynesians, Native Americans, South Asians, etc.

I agree to disagree with you but am intrigued as to why you removed the Greek turkey thing.

Do you agree with that bit?

If you can find that sponsorship elsewhere thats all well and good.

Thing is, in sports, I've been part of organisations that have battled for sponsorship and Hancock are not Australia's biggest issue when push comes to shove.