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Reply #690 –
I like EV's, just not the ones that spontaneously combust like the cement tanker on the West Gate the other day. Oh wait...
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #691 –
Quote from: kruddler on

As for the reasons you listed....are majority of them not based upon people wanted to feel better about themselves?

People don't buy teslas because of their performance.
People don't buy teslas because of their history
People don't buy teslas because of their looks.
People buy teslas because they are teslas and that 'means' they are conscious of what that branded represents (albeit inaccurately) that they are green and better for the environment.


Oh contraire... I only know two people who've bought a Tesla, however, both did so for the phenomenal 0-100kms... under 3 seconds!
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Reply #692 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Oh contraire... I only know two people who've bought a Tesla, however, both did so for the phenomenal 0-100kms... under 3 seconds!

There is no shortage of electric vehicles out there that can perform that task.....and plenty of them look a whole lot better than a tesla.

Buying the brand Tesla for speed is like buying a holden for speed, when there are ferraris available.

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Reply #693 –
Krudds, are you sure people don’t buy Teslas for the performance ?
They go like cut cats !
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #694 –
Quote from: northernblue on
Krudds, are you sure people don’t buy Teslas for the performance ?
They go like cut cats !

All electric cars do though. Why buy a tesla when you can get other electric cars like BMW or a Porche or an audi which are all quicker and look a hell of a lot better looking.

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Reply #695 –
Quote from: kruddler on
All electric cars do though. Why buy a tesla when you can get other electric cars like BMW or a Porche or an audi which are all quicker and look a hell of a lot better looking.

It's called consumer choice. Many folks choose a quick (ICE) Audi over a quick BMW, or Jag, or Merc... etc.

Some folks just prefer the original in the case of the Tesla. And so what? Over time, unless Tesla's keep up, other EV brands (for quickness) will be chosen.

One of the two guys I know chose a Tesla because it also came with a V8 sound! Others are catching up with that now.

Labelling all Tesla drivers as being self-interested is no different to labelling all BMW drivers as wankers, or all Merc drivers as snobs, or all Jag drivers as ponces, or all Volvo drivers as architects, or all Commodore SS drivers as bogans... etc...
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Reply #696 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I like EV's, just not the ones that spontaneously combust like the cement tanker on the West Gate the other day. Oh wait...

That doesn’t get anywhere near the attention it should.

There was a photograph of an EV that spontaneously combusted in a car park (QLD?) recently and took out the five cars parked around it.

The EV boosters never mention the risk of Lithium battery fires.

My camper trailer has two AGM batteries and, with my portable solar panels, I can be off-grid  indefinitely.  Several folk with the same camper trailer are replacing the AGM batteries with much smaller, lighter and more efficient Lithium batteries … but not this little black duck!
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #697 –
Quote from: kruddler on
All electric cars do though. Why buy a tesla when you can get other electric cars like BMW or a Porche or an audi which are all quicker and look a hell of a lot better looking.
Because if you dont have big money those luxury brands dont sit under the threshold like Tesla does for the EV Subsidies.....I think BMW have one car that does and its not as quick as the Tesla's off the mark.
 

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Reply #698 –
I haven’t driven an electric car.
I sat in an acquaintances Tesla last week and made “broom broom” noises.
It seemed pretty well built, it’s the second Tesla the guy has had, this one was the model Y (I think) it was a sort of suv looking one.
He’s got solar on his roof for recharging, loves the car.
It’s 12 months old with 14k km on it, still smells new.
I was surprised at how small the front boot was though.
If I had solar I’d look at buying one until I remembered what a toerag Mr Musk is.
On balance I think he’s got a pretty good product.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #699 –
There is always the "over the lifetime", "lifetime" or "anticipated lifetime" clause in those EV arguments.

The remaining lifetime of the car the EV replaced, the remaining lifetime of the EV when it is replaced, the replacement interval, how many vehicles make it to the anticipated lifetime or if the anticipated lifetime is realistic at all (It seems some are unnaturally shortened while others are unrealistically long)!

EVs are piling up in California unrepaired, so much so a whole industry has grown that guts and converts the system components for retrofit into classic car bodies. The problem is the insurers won't risk repairs to them even from relatively minor collisions, so relatively trivial damage is a write-off. Like the ever growing pile of redundant SolarPV panels filling warehouses around our capital cities. Anticipated life!

That is where the claims all unravel, it's another "Don't mention the war!" moment!

The same frauds and charlatans that run oil and energy also run the bulk of EV, the cars are built by the same conglomerates, using the same manufacturing technologies, in factories built by largely the same group of engineers.

Then you add average weight to the vehicle, and yet apparently tyres last longer, and the roads don't wear out faster, roads paid for by fuel taxes they don't have to pay for anyway, everybody else is subsidising them! "Don't mention the war!"

Until the industries that fed society fess up to the problems, nothing is really going to change as we are just putting a new wrapper on the same old problems.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #700 –
The advantage of Tesla is that its all American manufactured and owned. 

The rest are all reliant on Chinese manufacturing. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #701 –
Quote from: northernblue on
I haven’t driven an electric car.
I sat in an acquaintances Tesla last week and made “broom broom” noises.
It seemed pretty well built, it’s the second Tesla the guy has had, this one was the model Y (I think) it was a sort of suv looking one.
He’s got solar on his roof for recharging, loves the car.
It’s 12 months old with 14k km on it, still smells new.
I was surprised at how small the front boot was though.
If I had solar I’d look at buying one until I remembered what a toerag Mr Musk is.
On balance I think he’s got a pretty good product.

The Missus' company is transitioning to EVs and one of the chieftains already has a Tesla and one of the features he loves is the quietness which makes talking on the dogger and conversations within the car so much better.

Transitioning, dramatic transitioning, from one technology to another is always a challenge with its fair share of difficulties and troubles along the way before the kinks are ironed out and the benefits become apparent. Horses to cars, farmland to industry (industrial revolution), landline to mobile phones and so on. Along the way we have humans who fear/resist change, are suspicious and cynical about change, then those who do a wait and see (probably me), those who are happy to experiment with change and those who love it. Horses for courses.

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Reply #702 –
I’m with you Baggers 👍🏼
I am not a petrolhead, in fact read that as “not a car enthusiast”.
I don’t understand why boofheads like Clarkson rail so hard against the evil EV.
They go like the clappers, so if you like performance it’s there.
It seems like it’s the lack of sound pollution they don’t like but won’t say out loud… 🤣
I’ve read in the car thread here how much some of you like your noise, to me it’s baffling.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #703 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
The advantage of Tesla is that its all American manufactured and owned. 

The rest are all reliant on Chinese manufacturing. 


I thought our Teslas in Aus are made in China?, batteries are also now made by BYD because they do them cheaper......

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Reply #704 –
GWM have recalled their ORA's....they tended to electrocute the owner when the charging cable was connected and then removed with the power on....not good for business😉
https://gizmodo.com.au/2023/12/gwm-ora-recalled-in-australia-due-to-risk-of-death/
You buy Chinese junk and you get what you pay for......Id be more keen on a hybrid of the japanese origin.