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MCG match at 19.50pm.
Looks like we maybe missing Yazz.. If so, maybe Army will get a call up.
Injuries for Collingwood: Fasolo (foot), Young (leg).
Going to be a HUGE game.
Not sure if we can keep up this kind of intensity, and the pies looked pretty scary after being dominated early against the bombers.
As long as we don't get blown out of the water, i think we can maintain this high for at least a couple more weeks.
Be interested in seeing how we pick our best 22 this week.
Going to be a HUGE game.
Not sure if we can keep up this kind of intensity, and the pies looked pretty scary after being dominated early against the bombers.
As long as we don't get blown out of the water, i think we can maintain this high for at least a couple more weeks.
Be interested in seeing how we pick our best 22 this week.
Best 22 will come down to who is left on the list... ;) Injuries seem to be coming left, right and centre.
Going to be a HUGE game.
Not sure if we can keep up this kind of intensity, and the pies looked pretty scary after being dominated early against the bombers.
As long as we don't get blown out of the water, i think we can maintain this high for at least a couple more weeks.
Be interested in seeing how we pick our best 22 this week.
Best 22 will come down to who is left on the list... ;) Injuries seem to be coming left, right and centre.
Thats what i mean.
Not sure if we will gain Carrots back, if Yarran will be fit...if Army is ready to come back.
Ellard, i could do without, prefer Menzel personally.
Cripps...bring him back after a week off?
Graham??
Going to be a HUGE game.
Not sure if we can keep up this kind of intensity, and the pies looked pretty scary after being dominated early against the bombers.
As long as we don't get blown out of the water, i think we can maintain this high for at least a couple more weeks.
Be interested in seeing how we pick our best 22 this week.
Best 22 will come down to who is left on the list... ;) Injuries seem to be coming left, right and centre.
Thats what i mean.
Not sure if we will gain Carrots back, if Yarran will be fit...if Army is ready to come back.
Ellard, i could do without, prefer Menzel personally.
Cripps...bring him back after a week off?
Graham??
Bit harsh on Ellard... Had kicked 7 goals 5 behinds (12 shots on goals) in 5 games and has laid 23 tackles (avg 4.5) as a small forward.
Not saying Ellard is no good, just think Menzel is a better option for us. Has more tricks in his bag and can cause headaches to match up on given his height/marking ability and ground level skills/agility.
Not saying Ellard is no good, just think Menzel is a better option for us. Has more tricks in his bag and can cause headaches to match up on given his height/marking ability and ground level skills/agility.
Yeah but we can use Ellard for a few stints in the midfield, and then rest forward. I think Mick loves him anyway, so when available i reckon he will be straight back in.. There's certainly room for both Menzel and Ellard in the same team. Ellard is a very good mark of the footy.. Very deceptive.
Not saying Ellard is no good, just think Menzel is a better option for us. Has more tricks in his bag and can cause headaches to match up on given his height/marking ability and ground level skills/agility.
Gee I get movement well you talk about Mnzel like that ;D
menzel and buckley are big stage type of players
they must play
in the starting line up
Dish up the way we played majority of the game teams like collingwood will beat us, play like we did in the last 6 or so minutes however...
We are starting to show characteristics in our squad, to put it on when the desperation is needed the most. Something that might help us get over the line in close games. Get Carrots and Judd back, and Levi kicking goals and we might just surprise a few. Levi is seriously the worst kick I have ever seen in my life.
menzel and buckley are big stage type of players
they must play
in the starting line up
Buckley should've done the jumper grabbing and pointing at the CFC logo moment when he kicked a goal, would've made my heart melt and our membership jump by at least oooooh, by 100,000. ;D
Would've been our Nicky Winmar moment. :)
Aaaaahh if only ::)
Savour the win tonight because I think we're in for a spanking against the Maggotpies. If Yazz is out, I'll spew. There's too many little pricks that can run riot in their forward line. Elliott, Beams and Sidebottom loom as dangers if Cloke doesn't clutch them. And there's the matter of Swan and Pendlebury.
We've got to turn this game into a scrap. Don't allow a free flowing game because they will cut us up.
Hope Daisy grows another leg for this game!
We are starting to show characteristics in our squad, to put it on when the desperation is needed the most. Something that might help us get over the line in close games. Get Carrots and Judd back, and Levi kicking goals and we might just surprise a few. Levi is seriously the worst kick I have ever seen in my life.
Easy Tiger, just remember that 2 and 3 weeks ago, we showed about as much spine as a calamari and the ticker of a digital watch. We didnt raise a yelp against the Cheating Scum and Melbourne. Now we have responded well and 2 weeks in a row, we have shown a heap of ticker and a desire to win. As I have said previously, as long as our blokes can walk into the dressing rooms and look each other in the eye after each game and say "I had a red hot crack today, I gave my all", then I can tolerate (never accept) a loss. Two weeks in a row, they have done this. You know it takes 21 days to form a habit. By my reckoning, they are at day 13 after the Melbourne debacle and they are on the right track. When we play the Filth it will be day 19 but as long as they keep on this track, I wont ask for any more than that. Go Blues.
Savour the win tonight because I think we're in for a spanking against the Maggotpies. If Yazz is out, I'll spew. There's too many little pricks that can run riot in their forward line. Elliott, Beams and Sidebottom loom as dangers if Cloke doesn't clutch them. And there's the matter of Swan and Pendlebury.
We've got to turn this game into a scrap. Don't allow a free flowing game because they will cut us up.
Hope Daisy grows another leg for this game!
Yes, I hope Daisy can come up and show the Pies something.
Unfortunately, I think we may also lose. Collingwood are not the most talented team going around, but they are playing with a fanaticism that we find hard to match. I really want to pound these *****, but we just don't seem to be able to keep up the intensity for extended periods yet.
I was really pleased with our effort against the Weagles because we had so MANY changes and lost so many important players. Then we had Robbo who was obviously not 100%. But the commitment and the attacking flair were lovely. If we can keep that up....
Unfortunately we don't appear to yet. And we have very few taggers available to negate their on ballers.
Savour the win tonight because I think we're in for a spanking against the Maggotpies. If Yazz is out, I'll spew. There's too many little pricks that can run riot in their forward line. Elliott, Beams and Sidebottom loom as dangers if Cloke doesn't clutch them. And there's the matter of Swan and Pendlebury.
We've got to turn this game into a scrap. Don't allow a free flowing game because they will cut us up.
Hope Daisy grows another leg for this game!
Yes, I hope Daisy can come up and show the Pies something.
Unfortunately, I think we may also lose. Collingwood are not the most talented team going around, but they are playing with a fanaticism that we find hard to match. I really want to pound these *****, but we just don't seem to be able to keep up the intensity for extended periods yet.
I was really pleased with our effort against the Weagles because we had so MANY changes and lost so many important players. Then we had Robbo who was obviously not 100%. But the commitment and the attacking flair were lovely. If we can keep that up....
Unfortunately we don't appear to yet. And we have very few taggers available to negate their on ballers.
As MM said in the presser, 6 changes this week and they had to re-adjust which they did. More re-adjustments required this week I'd say although he reckons Yazz will be ok. You cant take a speedster with a suspect hammy onto the wide expanses of the MCG versus the arch enemy. If they bring the same desire and stick to a plan, we will be in it up to our ears for the most part. If we dont have taggers, let them hunt us and make it a shoot out. It takes what it takes.
They will more than likely smack us into the middle of next week but in reality, we could very well be 4-2 as CIMM said and playing in a blockbuster at the G.
Malthouse seems to think Yarran's hamstring tightness wasn't serious and he should be right. Having said that, he'll probably miss 3. ;)
Carrazzo had back spasms which can last a few minutes or a few days. Hopefully he can get up and replace Lucas.
They will more than likely smack us into the middle of next week but in reality, we could very well be 4-2 as CIMM said and playing in a blockbuster at the G.
In the past, the ladder position and form of the two sides has mattered little. They hate each others guts and set themselves for these games. Right now I think we will get beaten based on form but come 5 minutes before the game, I reckon we will be a good chance to knock em off.
In the past, the ladder position and form of the two sides has mattered little. They hate each others guts and set themselves for these games.
I think the hating of guts comes more from supporters than players.. I also think you will find that the hatred has swung more to Essendon now from both supporter bases.. As far as the players go, they don't hate each other at all..
Carrazzo on Swan
McCaffer on Murphy
Pendlebury and Gibbs head to head
Hope that Sidebottom and Beames don't run amok! Maybe play Walker on one.
Tall order but history shows that we sometimes perform best in these types of matches when we are undermanned.
Hopefully subbing Yaz was more of a precaution than anything serious, desperately need army in if yarran isn't playing. hopefully Carrazzo is back, need him if we are any real chance of stopping their mids. Buckley should play, was initially dropped IMO because of a lack of match ups for him, but proved he can play with the bigger bodied teams.
Jamie Elliott...can we get someone to play on this bloke and stop him taking marks that he has no right to take.....
Jamie Elliott...can we get someone to play on this bloke and stop him taking marks that he has no right to take.....
Bucks will sort him out. ;)
Malthouse seems to think Yarran's hamstring tightness wasn't serious and he should be right. Having said that, he'll probably miss 3. ;)
Carrazzo had back spasms which can last a few minutes or a few days. Hopefully he can get up and replace Lucas.
I wouldnt play Yarran..as much as I would like to beat the Pies they will start short favourites IMO and I'd rather save Yarran
for games we are a better chance to win...
Jamie Elliott...can we get someone to play on this bloke and stop him taking marks that he has no right to take.....
You just know that either him or that little turd Blair are going to have a field day. I watched how they took the Cheaters apart on Friday, just pressured them out of the game. If we don't bring the intensity it will be a 15 goal loss.
Ye of such little faith. We might go down but we'll give them an almighty fright.
Our injuries + our inconsistent form throughout a game + Pies in considerable form + Pies with very few injuries = Carlton shellacking......
Nothing can be surer......
Team with fanatical work rate vs Carlton typically = bad Carlton loss.
Though the Pies are due for a down game IMO. Been up for a while.
Our injuries + our inconsistent form throughout a game + Pies in considerable form + Pies with very few injuries = Carlton shellacking......
Nothing can be surer......
Yes, I've been waiting all year for this.
Just play everitt as a negating forward on Maxwell and we'll win easily.
Our injuries + our inconsistent form throughout a game + Pies in considerable form + Pies with very few injuries = Carlton shellacking......
Nothing can be surer......
Thank-you Brettie, thank-you! :D
You bring hope where before there was only despair, you are a shining light through the densest fog! :)
I usually attend these encounters with a sense of optimism......it's nothing but dread on this occasion. Even our very best won't win us this one.....if proven wrong, there won't be a happier bloke on earth than this jellybean, but just can't see it happening.....
Even our very best won't win us this one.....
Oh yes it will!
We're talking about Collingwood remember, get on top of them and they crumble.
Even our very best won't win us this one.....
Oh yes it will!
We're talking about Collingwood remember, get on top of them and they crumble.
Like when the scum got on top of them on Anzac Day?
Even our very best won't win us this one.....
Oh yes it will!
We're talking about Collingwood remember, get on top of them and they crumble.
Like when the scum got on top of them on Anzac Day?
And like when we kicked 7 goals in the first quarter the last time we played them???
We need a serious dose of the underdog. Lets all commit and give us a snowflakes chance. Pump your Filth mates tyres and surrender. Let it filter through to the playing group that we have no faith.
It's our greatest weapon. Use it wisely!!
I am already sick to the stomach thinking what their midfield will do to us.
Could get ugly on Friday Night
I am already sick to the stomach thinking what their midfield will do to us.
Could get ugly on Friday Night
Ok - stop Swan, Pendlebury and Cloke and you win. Obviously easier said than done, so we need big bodies to go with them. I'd go with Carazzo on Swan, Gibbs on Pendlebury, Beams v Murphy and hope that Robbo, Yarran, Simpson, Buckley, Scotland etc get enough of the ball. Jamison or Rowe to Cooke to expose their weak defence with Bolt, Henderson, Waite, Garrett and Menzel.
If we're 6 goals down and playing our usual crap we'll suddenly kick 5 quickly with a scintillating burst of run and skill out of no-where and get close. Our ability to do that is recent years and often even win is venturing to trademark. If we're 6 goals up we'll lapse and blow the lead with suddenly no run and sh1t skills. Something that is also trademark.
Never a dull moment supporting Carlton. Never out of it when way behind, never safe when way in front.
Pendelbury, Beams, Swan .
Nice of them all to come good at once.
FMD
If we can play like we did in the first half we might escape with a 4 goal loss.
If they bring the swarm we'll struggle to hit a target let alone score.
If we can win the midfield Cloke won't even be a factor.
.....Though the Pies are due for a down game IMO. Been up for a while.
Yep - been up since round 4 ::).....look out!!! 8)
Seriously if people are not freighted about what potentially could happen Friday night you must be disillusioned.
Explain to me how we are going to stop Beams, Pendles, Swan, Sidebottom. The way Macaffer is going it’s a safer bet he ill impact the performance of one of our mids most likely the skipper.
Elliet, Blair at least one always get a hold of us.
I hope im wrong but im petrified.
Seriously if people are not freighted about what potentially could happen Friday night you must be disillusioned.
Explain to me how we are going to stop Beams, Pendles, Swan, Sidebottom. The way Macaffer is going it’s a safer bet he ill impact the performance of one of our mids most likely the skipper.
We're always a show when Brettie makes predictions like the above.
The more I read from the doomsayers the more I think we'll win. Handy I flying out at around half time but! :)
No doubt the Pies will be a very tough gig, but after what we saw last Sat, if we could repeat that, we be at least show. Go blues - for inspiration, just think of the look on Eddie McDropPunt's face if we pull it off!
TACKLE TACKLE hard no room pressure on the ball carrier we must do this i do not want to see loose coll players anwhere.LINE IN THE SAND.
TACKLE TACKLE hard no room pressure on the ball carrier we must do this i do not want to see loose coll players anwhere.LINE IN THE SAND.
Yep - relentless pressure will get the job done, got no doubts.....just don't think we've got the ability to do it for long enough. We flip-flop too much within games.....hence we are where we are.....
Hearing Suntan Wallace referring to H/O by his new name was a little vomit worthy. No disrespect intended to Heritier but gee its hard to get used to. Anyway blues by 10,000 points
Looks like you still need some convincing Brettie. so I'll start.
Warnock. All of a sudden he's in career best and AA form. In the last two weeks he's beaten an AA ruckman and the best combo in the comp. Wayne Johnson said at the start of the season that he would be the key and its looking that way. He has the number one spot locked in for the first time at the club and his confidence is showing it.
I'll give you more reasons later but that's a good start.
No doubt the Pies will be a very tough gig, but after what we saw last Sat, if we could repeat that, we be at least show. Go blues - for inspiration, just think of the look on Eddie McDropPunt's face if we pull it off!
And we'll all be a mob of C's, and he'll tell us about it. ;)
Even our very best won't win us this one.....
Oh yes it will!
We're talking about Collingwood remember, get on top of them and they crumble.
Like when the scum got on top of them on Anzac Day?
P2C gold
Looks like you still need some convincing Brettie. so I'll start.
Warnock. All of a sudden he's in career best and AA form. In the last two weeks he's beaten an AA ruckman and the best combo in the comp. Wayne Johnson said at the start of the season that he would be the key and its looking that way. He has the number one spot locked in for the first time at the club and his confidence is showing it.
I'll give you more reasons later but that's a good start.
Warnock broke even with Minson and gave an honourable contest against Cox and Natanui. He did some damn good ruckwork but Cox and Natanui both had more of the ball and more impact.
The only reason he has the first ruck spot locked in is because there's no-one else.
Hope he has a blinder on Friday though!
Looks like you still need some convincing Brettie. so I'll start.
Warnock. All of a sudden he's in career best and AA form. In the last two weeks he's beaten an AA ruckman and the best combo in the comp. Wayne Johnson said at the start of the season that he would be the key and its looking that way. He has the number one spot locked in for the first time at the club and his confidence is showing it.
I'll give you more reasons later but that's a good start.
Warnock broke even with Minson and gave an honourable contest against Cox and Natanui. He did some damn good ruckwork but Cox and Natanui both had more of the ball and more impact.
The only reason he has the first ruck spot locked in is because there's no-one else.
Hope he has a blinder on Friday though!
Harsh
Looks like you still need some convincing Brettie. so I'll start.
Warnock. All of a sudden he's in career best and AA form. In the last two weeks he's beaten an AA ruckman and the best combo in the comp. Wayne Johnson said at the start of the season that he would be the key and its looking that way. He has the number one spot locked in for the first time at the club and his confidence is showing it.
I'll give you more reasons later but that's a good start.
Warnock broke even with Minson and gave an honourable contest against Cox and Natanui. He did some damn good ruckwork but Cox and Natanui both had more of the ball and more impact.
The only reason he has the first ruck spot locked in is because there's no-one else.
Hope he has a blinder on Friday though!
Nothing wrong with a bit of imbellishment for a good cause. Warnock's work when it mattered in the last quarter was better than that though.
Warnock's been good.
Having him (effectively) solo also allows us to have one more runner/utility.
Looks like you still need some convincing Brettie. so I'll start.
Warnock. All of a sudden he's in career best and AA form. In the last two weeks he's beaten an AA ruckman and the best combo in the comp. Wayne Johnson said at the start of the season that he would be the key and its looking that way. He has the number one spot locked in for the first time at the club and his confidence is showing it.
I'll give you more reasons later but that's a good start.
Warnock broke even with Minson and gave an honourable contest against Cox and Natanui. He did some damn good ruckwork but Cox and Natanui both had more of the ball and more impact.
The only reason he has the first ruck spot locked in is because there's no-one else.
Hope he has a blinder on Friday though!
Nothing wrong with a bit of imbellishment for a good cause. Warnock's work when it mattered in the last quarter was better than that though.
Can't fault that!
I agree that some of Warnock's ruckwork was very good and virtually created clearances for us. However, he was up against one of the best contemporary rucks and an unfit and out of form athletic freak. Casboult was a bit of a non-event in ruck contests so Warnock effectively took on both Cox and Natanui and it's not surprising that they took the points. Warnock has to be given credit for his performance though.
Warnock is good enough IMO. If we are looking for areas we need to improve on he is not the highest priority by a long shot!
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
I still question it. We should be 3-3 at minimum.
TACKLE TACKLE hard no room pressure on the ball carrier we must do this i do not want to see loose coll players anwhere.LINE IN THE SAND.
Yep - relentless pressure will get the job done, got no doubts.....just don't think we've got the ability to do it for long enough. We flip-flop too much within games.....hence we are where we are.....
Yet, the Pies are extremely working class, nothing more, nothing less. You know what you're going to get... but they do lack class.
Carlton has much, much more X factor - for the better and worse - Yazz, Garlett, Menzel, Levi, Waite, even Daisy is now finding his feet at CFC....?
We go out there to win, we will win. Easily.
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
More of an unfortunate coincidence IOT.
Warnock is good enough IMO. If we are looking for areas we need to improve on he is not the highest priority by a long shot!
I think getting outmarked by Bennell shows there is huge room for improvement as far as Warnock is concerned Cookie. However, I'll concede that Casboult's kicking is a higher priority, particularly if he continues to take marks inside 50 ::)
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
I still question it. We should be 3-3 at minimum.
Agree Carrots. We should really be 4-2, but we aren't so we move forward.
The Port result now has some context. (not a massive concern)
We should have beaten Ninthmond. (Let one slip)
The wheels fell off against the scum. ( A major let down)
Well and truly lost the plot against Melbourne. (Hit rock bottom, and it showed.)
Rebounded in the best possible way against the dogs. ( Played with passion, and defended a lead whilst cruelled by injury)
Undermanned but determined. A great come from behind win against the weagles. ( Backed up the passion!!)
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
More of an unfortunate coincidence IOT.
Absolute boloney. We dominated disposals, contested disposals, uncontested, marks, bounces, inside 50s,, hit outs, 1%s, clearances, centre clearances and stoppage clearances. We lost marks inside 50 3-11 and just couldn't put it on the scoreboard. I agree with Garlett being dropped but dropping Waite was a foolish move. It's quite clear what the issue was. Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story huh?
Warnock is good enough IMO. If we are looking for areas we need to improve on he is not the highest priority by a long shot!
I think getting outmarked by Bennell......
Not quite.....Warnock was 1-on-1 with Bennell & Bennell managed to spoil, not outmark Warnock.....
Jamie Elliott...can we get someone to play on this bloke and stop him taking marks that he has no right to take.....
Bucks will sort him out. ;)
Id prefer Walks to play on him, plays about 15 cm taller than he is does Elliot
Not quite.....Warnock was 1-on-1 with Bennell & Bennell managed to spoil, not outmark Warnock.....
Seriously, are you making an excuse for the 206cm x 105kg player being defeated in a forward marking one-on-one contest by a 179cm x 75kg player who has two bung knees?
Is there any player in the AFL of similar size to Warnock who you wouldn't expect to take the mark in that situation?
There are not many, but there are a few.
Hampson would be one.
Kreuzer would be another.
There seems to be a theme here.
Josh Gibson plays on guys 2ft taller all the time.
Eddie Betts routinely outmarks bigger guys.
You would think Warnock was the lone ranger the way some are carrying on about his marking.
At the end of the day, it would be great if he could do this for us, but I dont see the point in banging on about something that just isnt a natural part of his game, and that he clearly needs to work on.
Warnock is good enough IMO. If we are looking for areas we need to improve on he is not the highest priority by a long shot!
I think getting outmarked by Bennell shows there is huge room for improvement as far as Warnock is concerned Cookie. However, I'll concede that Casboult's kicking is a higher priority, particularly if he continues to take marks inside 50 ::)
Casboult's kicking certainly is a worry, along with the lack of a quality KPD, replacing ageing senior players such as Carrazzo, Waite, Judd, Scotland, and our lack of at least 2 more quality mids. Warnock's marking issues lie some distance behind those in my view. If we have to rely on Warnock taking marks, particularly in defence, then we are in deeper cr@p than I thought. I actually thought he did his job v. Cox and NicMat pretty well but it's always easy to point out a particular clanger - particularly for those out to prove their point at all costs and who make heavy use of drama to do so. ;)
There are not many, but there are a few.
Hampson would be one.
Kreuzer would be another.
There seems to be a theme here.
So you are saying the 200cm guys "are not expected" to win that sort of forward marking contest?
Josh Gibson plays on guys 2ft taller all the time.
Josh Gibson is 10cm taller and 13kg heavier than Bennell!
Bennell was cut by Melbourne!
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
All you have to do is take your blinkers off and look at the outcome. Not just in one individual players acts but the way the team has played since.
Waite seems to have responded a lot better than you have about him being dropped and that is what matters.
More of an unfortunate coincidence IOT.
Absolute boloney. We dominated disposals, contested disposals, uncontested, marks, bounces, inside 50s,, hit outs, 1%s, clearances, centre clearances and stoppage clearances. We lost marks inside 50 3-11 and just couldn't put it on the scoreboard. I agree with Garlett being dropped but dropping Waite was a foolish move. It's quite clear what the issue was. Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story huh?
Looks like its going to be wet conditions Friday night.
Don't know if this would favour one team over the other.
Hope we don't do the typical thing and get carried away with ourselves just because we ve won two in a row.
We need to bring out A game, and continue to tackle tackle tackle.
No use risking Yazz, as don't want hi mto do a Juddy and do a hammy and miss weeks. A couple of options, subject to form in the 2nds of course, might be to bring in Docherty or Armfield for that extra bit of run off half back.
There are not many, but there are a few.
Hampson would be one.
Kreuzer would be another.
There seems to be a theme here.
So you are saying the 200cm guys "are not expected" to win that sort of forward marking contest?
No, just that our big guys regularly fail to take marks they should be taking.
Probably because they dont attack the contest hard enough which gives their spoiler the opportunity to do precisely that.
A lot of fluff media about our boys... We all know how this has ended in the past..
Hopefully they dont drink their own bath water this time.
Yeah, a big dose of reality might be awaiting us on the big stage on Friday night.
Have to make Mazwell accountable!!
No, just that our big guys regularly fail to take marks they should be taking.
Probably because they dont attack the contest hard enough which gives their spoiler the opportunity to do precisely that.
So they are expected to win that contest, and it is perfectly justifiable for us to expect Warnock to do so, any other player his size and weight as well!
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
More of an unfortunate coincidence IOT.
Absolute boloney. We dominated disposals, contested disposals, uncontested, marks, bounces, inside 50s,, hit outs, 1%s, clearances, centre clearances and stoppage clearances. We lost marks inside 50 3-11 and just couldn't put it on the scoreboard. I agree with Garlett being dropped but dropping Waite was a foolish move. It's quite clear what the issue was. Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story huh?
All you have to do is take your blinkers off and look at the outcome. Not just in one individual players acts but the way the team has played since.
Waite seems to have responded a lot better than you have about him being dropped and that is what matters.
There you go.....I fixed it for you.
Waite vs Port: 2 goals 4 marks 3 tackles (inside 50s 43)
Waite vs Rich: 1.3 goal 7 marks 5 tackles (inside 50's 52)
Waite vs Scum: 0.1 4 marks 1 tackle (
inside 50s 29)
Waite vs Doggies: 8 marks 2 tackles 3.2 (inside 50s 55)
Waite vs WCE: 10 marks 0 tackles 2.1 (inside 50s 53)
So in reality, the only game Waite played poorly was against the scum where we had an all time low 29 inside 50s, half as much as normal, so the opportunity clearly wasn't there. His stats since his return are not too dissimilar to prior to being dropped, perhaps a little better which would be attributed to the faster and more direct ball movement inside 50. The fact that we had ample inside 50s vs Melbourne suggest according to those stats that with the supply he would've had some influence in the game.
Stop clutching at straws mate and take your
own goggles off, and at least do a little research prior to pointing the finger.
Forgot that you're a myoptic stats man Carrots matey whereas I go by the final result of the game and the spirit in which we played.
Nah matey, I'm just providing something to back up my opinion. Waite's omission clearly cost us against Melbourne no matter what spin you put on it. That could really cost us come season's end. Difference being I can at least praise Malthouse when he does do well, yours (along with others') BS Malthouse can do no wrong claptrap is getting tiresome. I wouldn't stoop as low to suggest I'd like to block your posts though. As you were. ;)
Carrots you know when you provide stats that shows mistakes from the oh so great one, they are usually misleading or skewed...
Well one thing is for sure - gotta keep the young guns in Buckley and Menzel in the senior team.
Sounds like Carrazzo and Ellard are right to come back but I'd have Carrazzo play 2's first. Needs the run.
Carrots you know when you provide stats that shows mistakes from the oh so great one, they are usually misleading or skewed...
Par for the course Shades.
Carrots you know when you provide stats that shows mistakes from the oh so great one, they are usually misleading or skewed...
Par for the course Shades.
You sure you are not misrepresenting the stats? :P
Carrots you know when you provide stats that shows mistakes from the oh so great one, they are usually misleading or skewed...
Par for the course Shades.
You sure you are not misrepresenting the stats? :P
I'll leave that to the pro! :))
Not quite.....Warnock was 1-on-1 with Bennell & Bennell managed to spoil, not outmark Warnock.....
Seriously, are you making an excuse for the 206cm x 105kg player being defeated in a forward marking one-on-one contest by a 179cm x 75kg player who has two bung knees?
Is there any player in the AFL of similar size to Warnock who you wouldn't expect to take the mark in that situation?
You know how many times Alan Ezard took a hanger over Harry Madden?
Key Match ups...
Rucks: Warnock and Levi on Grundy and Witts.
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Small Backs on Small forwards: Buckley on Blair, 2E on Elliot,
Mids: Murphy on Mcaffer, Gibbs on Pendelbury, Brock on Swan, Simmo on Sidebottom, Daisy on Beams, Robbo on Ball
Forwards on Backs: Waite on Keefe / Maxwell, Hendo on Frost, Yazz on Harry O, Jeffy on Tooooovey, Everitt on Langdon.
Scotto to mop up...
Looks like we should attack in most positions.. We dont seem to have a lot of good negators in this team, but our run will/could worry them.. If I were Mick, Id be hoping its a shoot out and use our run and attack as our biggest weapon. If we try to play slow and hold collingwood up, I reckon they will eventually get on top.
We look shorter down back and up forward than them, so if the ball hits the ground we are a show.
Hendo I would think should be able to get the better of Frosty. It will depend on who Maxwell goes to more, on who we should use more.. If he double teams Waite, I think Waite is in for a very hard night.. So Hendo could take full advantage of this.. Jeffy is in for a tough night if Toovey is on him.. Toovey doesnt get beaten often..
We know how often Betts gave Harry O nightmares, and for this reason I would put Yazz on him and make him accountable.
Our ruck division should really dominate theirs, so this too is a plus for us.
Collingwoods advantage are their small forwards and goal scoring Mids... 2E and Buckley may have a big day set out for them with maybe Yazz to swap when needed..
Murphy and Gibbs need to hit the scoreboard as we know Swan and Pendelbury almost certainly will.
A good start would be Robbo to take out Sidebottom at the first bounce.. He always seems to be involved in so many scoring plays...
Key Match ups...
Rucks: Warnock and Levi on Grundy and Witts.
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Small Backs on Small forwards: Buckley on Blair, 2E on Elliot,
Mids: Murphy on Mcaffer, Gibbs on Pendelbury, Brock on Swan, Simmo on Sidebottom, Daisy on Beams, Robbo on Ball
Forwards on Backs: Waite on Keefe / Maxwell, Hendo on Frost, Yazz on Harry O, Jeffy on Tooooovey, Everitt on Langdon.
Scotto to mop up...
Looks like we should attack in most positions.. We dont seem to have a lot of good negators in this team, but our run will/could worry them.. If I were Mick, Id be hoping its a shoot out and use our run and attack as our biggest weapon. If we try to play slow and hold collingwood up, I reckon they will eventually get on top.
We look shorter down back and up forward than them, so if the ball hits the ground we are a show.
Hendo I would think should be able to get the better of Frosty. It will depend on who Maxwell goes to more, on who we should use more.. If he double teams Waite, I think Waite is in for a very hard night.. So Hendo could take full advantage of this.. Jeffy is in for a tough night if Toovey is on him.. Toovey doesnt get beaten often..
We know how often Betts gave Harry O nightmares, and for this reason I would put Yazz on him and make him accountable.
Our ruck division should really dominate theirs, so this too is a plus for us.
Collingwoods advantage are their small forwards and goal scoring Mids... 2E and Buckley may have a big day set out for them with maybe Yazz to swap when needed..
Murphy and Gibbs need to hit the scoreboard as we know Swan and Pendelbury almost certainly will.
A good start would be Robbo to take out Sidebottom at the first bounce.. He always seems to be involved in so many scoring plays...
Touhy is too loose for Elliott IMO and I'm not real crazy about Brock on Swan either....
So thats covered. Second reason why I think we can win was the dropping of Waite and Garlett. It was probably done with a view to this match. There's been a big change in both players and I think the team because of that. MM was knocked by a few on here for doing that but I don't see anyone questioning it now.
Losing to Melbourne was all part of the plan then.
More of an unfortunate coincidence IOT.
Absolute boloney. We dominated disposals, contested disposals, uncontested, marks, bounces, inside 50s,, hit outs, 1%s, clearances, centre clearances and stoppage clearances. We lost marks inside 50 3-11 and just couldn't put it on the scoreboard. I agree with Garlett being dropped but dropping Waite was a foolish move. It's quite clear what the issue was. Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good story huh?
All you have to do is take your blinkers off and look at the outcome. Not just in one individual players acts but the way the team has played since.
Waite seems to have responded a lot better than you have about him being dropped and that is what matters.
There you go.....I fixed it for you.
Waite vs Port: 2 goals 4 marks 3 tackles (inside 50s 43)
Waite vs Rich: 1.3 goal 7 marks 5 tackles (inside 50's 52)
Waite vs Scum: 0.1 4 marks 1 tackle (inside 50s 29)
Waite vs Doggies: 8 marks 2 tackles 3.2 (inside 50s 55)
Waite vs WCE: 10 marks 0 tackles 2.1 (inside 50s 53)
So in reality, the only game Waite played poorly was against the scum where we had an all time low 29 inside 50s, half as much as normal, so the opportunity clearly wasn't there. His stats since his return are not too dissimilar to prior to being dropped, perhaps a little better which would be attributed to the faster and more direct ball movement inside 50. The fact that we had ample inside 50s vs Melbourne suggest according to those stats that with the supply he would've had some influence in the game.
Stop clutching at straws mate and take your own goggles off, and at least do a little research prior to pointing the finger.
Playing devils advocate, if Waite and Garlett did something else that we know nothing of to receive their marching orders, is dropping them an action that you would support?
Malthouse did it clearly knowing it would affect us, which tells me he had his reasons for doing it.
The fact that we dont know those reasons speaks for why it might have been the correct decision, and the way the team seems to have picked up the message since, seems to indicate that they have responded accordingly.
I cant really pick too many holes in both of their games, but comparing their work prior to, and after their dropping, both have worked up the ground more, both have worked harder during the course of the match, and both have hit the scoreboard more accordingly.
The whole team appears to have lifted their effort also.
In the scheme of things, one dropped 4 points in a season that is clearly shaping up to be nothing but middle of the road at best, it might just be the action required to turn the corner and start progressing.
We owned the WCE for much of the first half but looked shizen for most of the second.
Can't see us matching the Pies with a days less break on a bigger ground.
Hope we show something
Key Match ups...
Rucks: Warnock and Levi on Grundy and Witts.
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Small Backs on Small forwards: Buckley on Blair, 2E on Elliot,
Mids: Murphy on Mcaffer, Gibbs on Pendelbury, Brock on Swan, Simmo on Sidebottom, Daisy on Beams, Robbo on Ball
Forwards on Backs: Waite on Keefe / Maxwell, Hendo on Frost, Yazz on Harry O, Jeffy on Tooooovey, Everitt on Langdon.
Scotto to mop up...
Looks like we should attack in most positions.. We dont seem to have a lot of good negators in this team, but our run will/could worry them.. If I were Mick, Id be hoping its a shoot out and use our run and attack as our biggest weapon. If we try to play slow and hold collingwood up, I reckon they will eventually get on top.
We look shorter down back and up forward than them, so if the ball hits the ground we are a show.
Hendo I would think should be able to get the better of Frosty. It will depend on who Maxwell goes to more, on who we should use more.. If he double teams Waite, I think Waite is in for a very hard night.. So Hendo could take full advantage of this.. Jeffy is in for a tough night if Toovey is on him.. Toovey doesnt get beaten often..
We know how often Betts gave Harry O nightmares, and for this reason I would put Yazz on him and make him accountable.
Our ruck division should really dominate theirs, so this too is a plus for us.
Collingwoods advantage are their small forwards and goal scoring Mids... 2E and Buckley may have a big day set out for them with maybe Yazz to swap when needed..
Murphy and Gibbs need to hit the scoreboard as we know Swan and Pendelbury almost certainly will.
A good start would be Robbo to take out Sidebottom at the first bounce.. He always seems to be involved in so many scoring plays...
Touhy is too loose for Elliott IMO and I'm not real crazy about Brock on Swan either....
OMG yes... I'm interested to see how SOJ does on someone like Blair who will run through the middle as well.
I would give Yarran the job on Elliott.. fingers crossed.
Key Match ups...
Rucks: Warnock and Levi on Grundy and Witts.
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Small Backs on Small forwards: Buckley on Blair, 2E on Elliot,
Mids: Murphy on Mcaffer, Gibbs on Pendelbury, Brock on Swan, Simmo on Sidebottom, Daisy on Beams, Robbo on Ball
Forwards on Backs: Waite on Keefe / Maxwell, Hendo on Frost, Yazz on Harry O, Jeffy on Tooooovey, Everitt on Langdon.
Scotto to mop up...
Looks like we should attack in most positions.. We dont seem to have a lot of good negators in this team, but our run will/could worry them.. If I were Mick, Id be hoping its a shoot out and use our run and attack as our biggest weapon. If we try to play slow and hold collingwood up, I reckon they will eventually get on top.
We look shorter down back and up forward than them, so if the ball hits the ground we are a show.
Hendo I would think should be able to get the better of Frosty. It will depend on who Maxwell goes to more, on who we should use more.. If he double teams Waite, I think Waite is in for a very hard night.. So Hendo could take full advantage of this.. Jeffy is in for a tough night if Toovey is on him.. Toovey doesnt get beaten often..
We know how often Betts gave Harry O nightmares, and for this reason I would put Yazz on him and make him accountable.
Our ruck division should really dominate theirs, so this too is a plus for us.
Collingwoods advantage are their small forwards and goal scoring Mids... 2E and Buckley may have a big day set out for them with maybe Yazz to swap when needed..
Murphy and Gibbs need to hit the scoreboard as we know Swan and Pendelbury almost certainly will.
A good start would be Robbo to take out Sidebottom at the first bounce.. He always seems to be involved in so many scoring plays...
Touhy is too loose for Elliott IMO and I'm not real crazy about Brock on Swan either....
OMG yes... I'm interested to see how SOJ does on someone like Blair who will run through the middle as well.
I would give Yarran the job on Elliott.. fingers crossed.
I wouldn't being making Buckley follow Blair when Blair goes into the midfield.. As far as 2E goes, who does he play on then? If he is not going to take the likes of a Blair or an Elliot, then whats his use?
In the Northern Blues...
In the Northern Blues...
So who comes in for him? Docherty?
In the Northern Blues...
So who comes in for him? Docherty?
How did he play last week. Would be a good replacement in terms of Skill and may bring some accountability back there. If Yarran is fit to play then Cripps, Graham, Carrazzo, Ellard.... we dont want our midfield depleted do we ;-)
In the Northern Blues...
So who comes in for him? Docherty?
How did he play last week. Would be a good replacement in terms of Skill and may bring some accountability back there. If Yarran is fit to play then Cripps, Graham, Carrazzo, Ellard.... we dont want our midfield depleted do we ;-)
No..... No we don't...
Touhy is too loose for Elliott IMO and I'm not real crazy about Brock on Swan either....
Heard Swan on the radio today he said he's the 2nd quickest at their club so there is no way you would put Brock on him.
Key Match ups...
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Id go White on White
Brock to Beams is a must in my opinion from the start.
Id also be sending Everitt to Harry O and Lucas with Sidebottom.
There small fwds at least one always get a hold of us we must put extra work into them.
Id send Robbo to Maxwell annoy him and if Robbo keeps his eyes low like last week he will be a good lead up target. He hit a couple of our lfwds beautfully last week.. lace out..
Woohoo! A Blues game on fta tv in SA.
Got a nice Black Imperial IPA on tap at home that will go down a treat Fri night...
Enjoy Raven. We take that for granted over here. Hopefully the Blues can pull off a victory for you!
Woohoo! A Blues game on fta tv in SA.
Got a nice Black Imperial IPA on tap at home that will go down a treat Fri night...
Also the NBs are on ABC this weekend, so for viewers in other states it may be possible to catch the Magoos on the iView or maybe the rare late night replays of the state leagues.
Woohoo! A Blues game on fta tv in SA.
Got a nice Black Imperial IPA on tap at home that will go down a treat Fri night...
Sounds like your house is the place to be!
Maxwell will want to be third man up or a Lucy down back.
With all of Waite, Henderson and Casboult inside forward 50 or rotating through there this will hopefully not allow Maxwell to do what he wants when he wants so long as our forwards work hard and have constant and strong leading patterns, separate and also that our ball movement and delivery is of high quality. The forwards and group as a whole MUST work as a team and get stuck into the Pies players in all facets.
I do not want average Joe's like Nick Maxwell doing whatever he wants. Guys like Frost and Keeffe have to be towelled up and targeted. Hearing Lachie Keeffe saying they verballed Jake Carlisle and targeted him last week makes me feel he's getting things a little too easy down back for my liking.
Tipping Waite and Henderson to teach Frost and Keeffe and lesson in KP play at AFL level!
What is our preference, wet or dry?
What is our preference, wet or dry?
:o
Key Match ups...
Key Backs on Key Forwards: Jamo on Cloke, Rowe on White, White on Goldsack,
Id go White on White
Thats Bland..
Bucks saying Marley Williams is a chance and that Young passed his fitness test.
Friday 2 May
Summary
Min 11Max 14 Rain developing.
Melbourne area
Cloudy. Areas of rain developing early in the morning. Winds northerly 15 to 25 km/h turning south to southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the afternoon.
Friday 2 May
Summary
Min 11Max 14 Rain developing.
Melbourne area
Cloudy. Areas of rain developing early in the morning. Winds northerly 15 to 25 km/h turning south to southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the afternoon.
What we really want to know is............ Carpark opened or closed?
Gotta hope they play Marley, likely to be underdone given his off field dramas....?
Friday 2 May
Summary
Min 11Max 14 Rain developing.
Melbourne area
Cloudy. Areas of rain developing early in the morning. Winds northerly 15 to 25 km/h turning south to southwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the afternoon.
What we really want to know is............ Carpark opened or closed?
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What we really want to know is............ Carpark opened or closed?
I paid $20 and pre-booked a car park at Melbourne park.
All of the Collingwood supporters I know are convinced we are going to be seriously smashed and put right back in our place after this game. Back to the laughing stock that we belong to be. I hope the club is reading this and doing what it takes to get ready for this epic battle. ???
This game for me is a massive litmus test for us - we just have to put in a creditable and highly competitive performance in order to show we mean business. I'm not sure where we stand at the moment, having experienced lows and highs, and I must admit to some misgivings about the result of this game. If we are serious though, irrespective of who's in/out/injured/fit, I'd expect it to be a reasonably closely fought out game, hopefully (and I mean very hopefully!) just tipping in our favour. Go Blues!
Desc Date Opponent Venue Attendance Result Margin High Disposals High Goals
Round 1 Fri 14 Mar Fremantle Etihad Stadium 37571 Loss 46-116 70 D. Beams 31
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Round 2 Sat 29 Mar Sydney ANZ Stadium 32347 Win 89-69 20 S. Pendlebury 33
J. Elliott 3
Round 3 Sat 5 Apr Geelong MCG 63152 Loss 76-87 11 S. Sidebottom 29
J. Elliott 5
Round 4 Fri 11 Apr Richmond MCG 62100 Win 110-72 38 D. Beams 30
S. Pendlebury 3
J. White 3
D. Beams 3
Hardly huge wins, not sure what the fuss is about.....smashed by Freo, Sydney out of form - badly, Cats result flattered the Pies and the Tiges - well, we know the Tiges....
Blues by 35+.
This game for me is a massive litmus test for us - we just have to put in a creditable and highly competitive performance in order to show we mean business. I'm not sure where we stand at the moment, having experienced lows and highs, and I must admit to some misgivings about the result of this game. If we are serious though, irrespective of who's in/out/injured/fit, I'd expect it to be a reasonably closely fought out game, hopefully (and I mean very hopefully!) just tipping in our favour. Go Blues!
Hope is a chance and we need all the hope we can get. Pies by 3 goals unfortunately, and I hope I have no idea on the end result. ;)
Enjoy Raven. We take that for granted over here. Hopefully the Blues can pull off a victory for you!
Fingers crossed mate. We are saturated by the two SA sides ad nauseum generally...
Cold ordinary weather here this week which I assume will be at the 'G come Fri night.
What we really want to know is............ Carpark opened or closed?
I paid $20 and pre-booked a car park at Melbourne park.
Thats a great idea..Never knew you could pre book..
SEN reporting a big out for the Pies
Yarran out according to Ch 9.... >:(
And Marley Williams in..
Yarran out according to Ch 9.... >:(
And Marley Williams in..
Yes, one change. Carrazzo in, Yarran out with that hammy.
Yep last time we played Yarran with a suspect hammy he did it and everyone blamed him. Best to sit out for a week.
Yarran out according to Ch 9.... >:(
And Marley Williams in..
Yes, one change. Carrazzo in, Yarran out with that hammy.
And Bell named as an emergency yet is also listed as injured and won't be available for 2 weeks... :o ???
I noticed Bell as well.
Toovey out for pies.
What we really want to know is............ Carpark opened or closed?
I paid $20 and pre-booked a car park at Melbourne park.
Thats a great idea..Never knew you could pre book..
https://prebook.mopt.vic.gov.au/
Yarran out according to Ch 9.... >:(
And Marley Williams in..
Best not to take a chance with Yarran's hammy. We'll miss him, but Carrazzo's role will be an important factor in trying to counter Collingwood's midfield strength.
They have certainly rolled the dice with the selection of Williams; one VFL game since the pre-season. Even if he is the sub, his match fitness must be suspect.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-seven-teams-20140501-37kkv.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-seven-teams-20140501-37kkv.html)
Friday, 2 May
COLLINGWOOD v CARLTON
MCG, 7.50pm AEST
CARLTON
B: Simon White, Michael Jamison, Sam Rowe
HB: Zach Tuohy, Andrew Walker, Kade Simpson
C: Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo, Mitch Robinson
HF: Brock McLean, Jarrad Waite, Dale Thomas
F: Troy Menzel, Lachie Henderson, Levi Casboult
Fol: Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: Andrejs Everitt, Dylan Buckley, Kane Lucas, Jeff Garlett
Emg: Matthew Watson, Tom Bell, Sam Docherty
In: Andrew Carrazzo,
Out: Chris Yarran (Hamstring)
COLLINGWOOD
B, Nick Maxwell, Jack Frost, Marley Williams
HB, Clinton Young, Lachlan Keeffe, Heritier Lumumba
C, Steele Sidebottom, Brent Macaffer, Dane Swan
HF, Sam Dwyer, Jesse White, Luke Ball
F, Jamie Elliott, Travis Cloke, Tyson Goldsack
Fol, Brodie Grundy, Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury
I/C, Jarryd Blair, Tom Langdon, Jarrod Witts, Josh Thomas
Emg, Nathan Brown, Taylor Adams, Ben Kennedy,
In, Sam Dwyer, Marley Williams,
Out, Alex Fasolo (Toe), Alan Toovey (Hamstring)
In all seriousness, on paper we wipe them completely.
The game is won or lost in the CFC players' heads.....
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
You know this?
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
You know this?
Yes. I guess we'll see come tomorrow night...
Tom Bell hasn't been named for Northern. I find it unlikely that we would risk him so soon after breaking his hand, even though the conditions would favour his large, strong body.
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
You know this?
Yes. I guess we'll see come tomorrow night...
Better watch it LR will have this plastered all over Bug Footy in no time! :P
Tom Bell hasn't been named for Northern. I find it unlikely that we would risk him so soon after breaking his hand, even though the conditions would favour his large, strong body.
Yes he has.
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
Is Docherty a chance? ???
I don't like how we haven't replaced pace with pace. Having said that, the midfield battle is interesting. I reckon we have more mid power. See below:
If you consider the similar type match ups:
Brock McLean
v
Luke Ball
C, Steele Sidebottom, Brent Macaffer, Dane Swan
v
C: Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo, Mitch Robinson
Fol Brodie Grundy, Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury
v
Fol: Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs
As far as running power, we still have the following up our sleeve:
Andrew Walker, Kade Simpson, Dale Thomas
Carrazzo wont play. Tom Bell is the in.
You know this?
Yes. I guess we'll see come tomorrow night...
Better watch it LR will have this plastered all over Bug Footy in no time! :P
damn straight
:))
I don't like how we haven't replaced pace with pace. Having said that, the midfield battle is interesting. I reckon we have more mid power. See below:
If you consider the similar type match ups:
Brock McLean
v
Luke Ball
C, Steele Sidebottom, Brent Macaffer, Dane Swan
v
C: Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo, Mitch Robinson
Fol Brodie Grundy, Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury
v
Fol: Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs
As far as running power, we still have the following up our sleeve:
Andrew Walker, Kade Simpson, Dale Thomas
in light of this...yes we are in with a solid chance
the issue for us is:
1 what is our weakest link ?
2 how do we stop their 2 smalls elliott and unamed?
This is not the ideal game to have Yarran out. Him and Garlett can be game breakers.
Can't see it happening.
We really just fell in against the WCE even if we did have them on toast before half time.
6 day break, bigger ground, Pies have a better midfield.
Can't see where we win it.
Don't particularly care about the result this week, it's all about the intensity.
If our guys play the full match with the same level of commitment and controlled aggression as they have over the past fortnight, then I will be very happy regardless of the scores.
Don't particularly care about the result this week, it's all about the intensity.
If our guys play the full match with the same level of commitment and controlled aggression as they have over the past fortnight, then I will be very happy regardless of the scores.
I agree. if we come to play and do as you stated, we will be close enough to win, and the result will be what it is. It will show we know how to be competitive, and that is what us supporters don't see often enough. Winning is just a bonus.
Don't particularly care about the result this week, it's all about the intensity.
And that's the problem!
Until the players, coaching staff, board and supporters refuse to accept defeat as an option, we'll continue to be mediocre.
We must win on Friday.
They pulled our pants down last year.
I still think that was our worst performance for 2013.
Don't particularly care about the result this week, it's all about the intensity.
And that's the problem!
Until the players, coaching staff, board and supporters refuse to accept defeat as an option, we'll continue to be mediocre.
We must win on Friday.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
Nail, hammer, head Sheik. Spot on . Do what needs to be done and the wins come as a result. ;)
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
Ok, so if we lose we just move the deck chairs and make excuses? Even if we play like pussy's?
But if we play like demons possessed and and send chills up our rivals to the final siren that then let them know we are the devils spawn, despite losing. And we shall avenge his death.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
Ok, so if we lose we just move the deck chairs and make excuses? Even if we play like pussy's?
But if we play like demons possessed and and send chills up our rivals to the final siren that then let them know we are the devils spawn, despite losing. And we shall avenge his death.
Playing like demons possessed should be non-negotiable JK.
If the unthinkable happens and we lose, cold, hard analysis of where we failed should inform remedial measures so that we win the next game.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
Ok, so if we lose we just move the deck chairs and make excuses? Even if we play like pussy's?
But if we play like demons possessed and and send chills up our rivals to the final siren that then let them know we are the devils spawn, despite losing. And we shall avenge his death.
Playing like demons possessed should be non-negotiable JK.
If the unthinkable happens and we lose, cold, hard analysis of where we failed should inform remedial measures so that we win the next game.
Same page brother!!
It's what I was trying to say from the start.
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
Ok, so if we lose we just move the deck chairs and make excuses? Even if we play like pussy's?
But if we play like demons possessed and and send chills up our rivals to the final siren that then let them know we are the devils spawn, despite losing. And we shall avenge his death.
Playing like demons possessed should be non-negotiable JK.
If the unthinkable happens and we lose, cold, hard analysis of where we failed should inform remedial measures so that we win the next game.
Same page brother!!
It's what I was trying to say from the start.
Isn't what your saying supposed to be par for the course? :o
If you don't have sustained intensity, then you have no chance of winning. As Malthouse said, it is all about doing the processes right and playing with full intensity & commitment is the main start of it.
Don't worry about wins, they will come as long as we keep doing the basics.
We've shown enough in the last two weeks to suggest that MM is finally breaking through to the mindset of our playing group.
It's all about cultural change and he is challenging the group, who are responding. We can lose to the Filth, but it's how we fight the battle that will matter.
Once again, it is that mindset that brought our club down. It is not acceptable that Carlton goes into a game with anyone - player, supporter, coach, board member or water joey - thinking that a good effort is good enough.
Hmm you can only provide your best effort.
If your best effort isnt good enough to get the win, then you can analyse what you did wrong and fix it individually and as a club you can identify your weak points and make plans to fix those.
I would say the result driven focus is what has brought our club down more than anything else. It actually fuelled our bloodlust to chase wins, and climb off the bottom of the ladder to the detriment of having a sound focussed vision on setting up a team for success. Contrast it to how Hawthorn went about getting off the bottom of the ladder (they were rooted there for a few years late 90's early 2000's) and rather than shortcut, they put a plan in motion that has seen them continually striving to be the best club that they can be, and they are reaping the rewards for that. I would say we only did this briefly whilst Dick Pratt was involved, and aside from that have been caught up in chasing a flag to the detriment of our club.
Only crushing opponents is acceptable!
3 Leos... can't agree more. The club went the short duration fix which ultimately left us short and now leaves us with an unbalanced list lacking real quality. In the 21st century it appears that premierships are won by clubs building sides (an cultures) overextended periods of time - buying the missing components is a thing of the past.
Contrast it to how Hawthorn went about getting off the bottom of the ladder (they were rooted there for a few years late 90's early 2000's) and rather than shortcut, they put a plan in motion that has seen them continually striving to be the best club that they can be, and they are reaping the rewards for that. I would say we only did this briefly whilst Dick Pratt was involved, and aside from that have been caught up in chasing a flag to the detriment of our club.
Seriously though, in the early 2000s the Dawks benefited greatly from our exclusion from the draft which was coincident with them being given more of the AFLs discretionary priority picks than God!
The greatness of the Dawks system is a myth!
And the Dawks played in a prelim in 2001 anyway.
The greatness of the Dawks system is a myth!
They had a lot of hits with their recruiting, but did have a lot of high picks go to waste (eg Dowler, Ellis, Thorp)
Hawthorn's success is down to their coach.
Contrast it to how Hawthorn went about getting off the bottom of the ladder (they were rooted there for a few years late 90's early 2000's) and rather than shortcut, they put a plan in motion that has seen them continually striving to be the best club that they can be, and they are reaping the rewards for that. I would say we only did this briefly whilst Dick Pratt was involved, and aside from that have been caught up in chasing a flag to the detriment of our club.
Seriously though, in the early 2000s the Dawks benefited greatly from our exclusion from the draft which was coincident with them being given more of the AFLs discretionary priority picks than God!
The greatness of the Dawks system is a myth!
PP in those years weren't at the discretion of the AFL, you either met the criteria or you didn't and the criteria was public knowledge.
Hawthorn's success is down to their coach.
I wish this were not the case, but Clarkson has done wonders with this side.
I still dislike the little faex for his ruining the career of Ian Aitken, but that is another issue. He has done very well.
PP in those years weren't at the discretion of the AFL, you either met the criteria or you didn't and the criteria was public knowledge.
Fremantle had to seek approval from the league to be allowed to trade their priority picks to Hawthorn for Trent Croad if I recall, and were given the all clear by the AFL. Hawthorn will claim that was Fremantle's decision, but without it Hawthorn would have got nada!
The Dawks cried and cried like they were losing four Gary Ablett Jnrs, not one spud defender who was on his broken down death bed!
Seems more of a rule clarification than anything else, are you saying the AFL may have blocked that trade for another side? I don'tthink that's the case and one circumstance doesn't qualify as " given more of the AFLs discretionary priority picks than God!"
Contrast it to how Hawthorn went about getting off the bottom of the ladder (they were rooted there for a few years late 90's early 2000's) and rather than shortcut, they put a plan in motion that has seen them continually striving to be the best club that they can be, and they are reaping the rewards for that. I would say we only did this briefly whilst Dick Pratt was involved, and aside from that have been caught up in chasing a flag to the detriment of our club.
Seriously though, in the early 2000s the Dawks benefited greatly from our exclusion from the draft which was coincident with them being given more of the AFLs discretionary priority picks than God!
The greatness of the Dawks system is a myth!
They had a vision, and they executed that vision using the means open to them and right now are a lucrative outfit that are a lot better than the club that almost merged and moved to Tasmania.
Not only did they have a vision, they had the conviction to stick to it, and build upon it not clinging to the fact that this is what got them where they were. They have adapted and traded shrewdly, they have used marketing to build themselves into a big club (the Tasmanian market has been well and truly cornered).
If you look at their premiership team in 2008, you will see the beginnings of that team and framework as early as 2002. They didnt even look at their list. They looked at their club. Got in a president who had a clear vision on making Hawthorn "the family club" and selling their brand which the AFL loved. This helped the game and they have been looked after accordingly.
What incentive have Carlton provided the AFL to look after them? Nothing. We brought scrutiny of the fairness of the competition by our trangressions and this has helped breed an anti carlton agenda.
Has anyone else heard that Maxwell might have a ? against his name for tonight??
How about we stick to the topic and none of this HAWTHORN crap. ::)
Seems more of a rule clarification than anything else, are you saying the AFL may have blocked that trade for another side?
Would they have approved it for us?
Has anyone else heard that Maxwell might have a ? against his name for tonight??
Robbo (mark) on Twitter says Waite may be out and so is Maxwell.
Yep I've heard Waite is gone too.
Waite out I hope its not true ,that means Watson comes in,Clokes bitch >:D
So it's just gone from a 40+ point loss to a 60+ point loss....great, just fcking great.....
Waite out I hope its not true ,that means Watson comes in,Clokes bitch >:D
What if we played Watson Forward?
I think the Collingwood backline would struggle with that matchup.
In any case, I think we should probably bring in a small rather than a tall anyway as its likely to be the team with more run that wins tonight given the conditions. ITs cold and wet.
Also, forecasting a win for tonight. These guys were flattered last week. The Bombers only played one quarter and belted these guys easily during it, and then Collingwood lifted the intensity but blokes like Maxwell lead the way. If he is out, Toovey is also out all of a sudden their backline looks ordinary and they too will be robbing Peter to pay Paul having to shift Goldsack back.
If Waite is out, I'd rather bring Doc in & try run them off their feet. Especially in the weather. Don't need another tall. Hendo & Levi forward is enough. Get Menz & Jeffy around their feet in this weather.
Collingwood are too tall as it is. 2 lumbering rucks won't help them. Our aim should be to run then off their feet.
Seems more of a rule clarification than anything else, are you saying the AFL may have blocked that trade for another side?
Would they have approved it for us?
Mate, they would have come to the party with bells on if there was even a waft in the air of us giving away our priority pick >:D
We're forked for sure then.
Mark Stevens off twitter, apparently Waite and Carrots are out, which means any of Watson, Doc or Dinger could come in.
FFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRKKK!!
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL · 1h
Big whispers of 2 changes at Carl .. Waite and Carrazzo out say the snouts at G .. Bell a big in to tag someone ??
Ouch. Was really looking forward to tonight but we are fairly undermanned. We need our leaders to stand up again to at least keep us in the game.
Picture on twitter from carltonfc with Waite on the ground talking to Rowe and Buckley.....may still play?
As I said yesterday, carrots out and bell in. But not sure on waite
Undermanned
A win against the odds. :D
Just the thing to keep the momentum going.
Blues by 18 :D
Hawthorn's success is down to their coach.
Didn't he almost get the flick a couple years ago? Lucky the board stuck with him. ;)
Why do they keep naming Carrazzo?
Hawthorn's success is down to their coach.
Didn't he almost get the flick a couple years ago? Lucky the board stuck with him. ;)
Yep ...same at Geelong a few years back
Sometimes sticking with a coach turns out to be a smart decision. ;) :D
Why do they keep naming Carrazzo?
One day he'll play and it'll surprise the opposition. ;)
How's our fcking injury toll at the moment.....FMD.
Message to Carrazzo: your body's fcked, time to give it away......
Goddamn, hate traveling to a big game knowing we've not got a hope in hell.....I attend for that 1% chance of a miracle.....
Could do a lot worse than play Docherty tonight.....
Why do they keep naming Carrazzo?
One day he'll play and it'll surprise the opposition. ;)
Getting to the point where he'll surprise himself
How's our fcking injury toll at the moment.....FMD.
Message to Carrazzo: your body's fcked, time to give it away......
Goddamn, hate traveling to a big game knowing we've not got a hope in hell.....I attend for that 1% chance of a miracle.....
And you deserve that miracle mate.....I hope you get it.
It's official :
Waite and Carrots out - Bell and Docherty in
Maxwell and Young out - Kennedy and Adams in
https://twitter.com/afl/status/462145841533566976
Jeffy_38 called it.
It won't be as big a win as when we had Kouta, SOS and Bradley out against Essendon but this would be a massive effort if the boys got up.
Mick will need to be creative, the kids will need to bring their enthusiasm and Murphy and Gibbs will have to stand up. If they can do so it will be a big tick against their otherwise questionable leadership
How's our fcking injury toll at the moment.....FMD.
It's bloody awful.
Let's put to bed once and for all this "injuries are not an excuse" rubbish.
They impact on plans and structures and destroy confidence and the ability to apply pressure and maintain intensity.
A win tonight will be epic.
(A loss understandable, as far as I'm concerned.)
A win against the odds is what makes it a great experience.
A win against the odds is what makes it a great experience.
Could bite me in the arse but I'm strangely confident. In Mick we trust :P
I reckon it's too early for Docherty but at least it's good to see him.
Boy . Surely the best we can hope for is a good effort.
So who is going to fill Waites shoes?
Reckon Docherty might cover Walker down back and get Walker up to the forward line to create some havoc.
A win against the odds is what makes it a great experience.
Could bite me in the arse but I'm strangely confident. In Mick we trust :P
Remember in 2012 against all odds? Who knows? :))
Doc's in according to late changes on AFL.com....what a surprise.."ol soft as butter" Jarrad Waite has pulled the pin...just when we need him most...pfft
Ouch. Was really looking forward to tonight but we are fairly undermanned. We need our leaders to stand up again to at least keep us in the game.
perfect opportunity for the young turks to step up and show some grit.
How is Bell back already? I thought he was out for 4.
Plenty have been critical of Kreuzer and Waite and others have criticised Judd's recent disposal. Others have questioned Yarran's intensity, so wish granted
Docherty, Menzel, Thomas, Everitt, Buckley, Casboult all in to showcase the new breed.......
A win against the odds is what makes it a great experience.
Could bite me in the arse but I'm strangely confident. In Mick we trust :P
Remember in 2012 against all odds? Who knows? :))
You can get some BS odds on a CFC win.
wE PANTSED THEM BY 10 GOAls in 2012 WITH A LESSER SQUAD OUT THERE....
Pies are not a big scoring unit in any event.
i got 5.7 for a 1-24 winning margin!!
(that is insane)