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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: pinot on
Well I guess we will see things differently - you think he is a superstar because he wins clearances and I think he is a crab with only one trick in his book which is a requirement for an AFL ruckman and thats where it sits.

Yep, you must be a collingwood supporter because all you see is black and white.

Everyone can have an opinion, but stats show your opinion was wrong. Hitouts was his '1 trick'...fyi he had 11 hitouts to advantage. Everyone else on the ground (us and them) combined for 10....total.

Now he is elite in clearances too. Thats 2 tricks at least.

You want him to take marks, i asked who outmarked him?
Pittonet had 6 spoils last night. Weitering 6 and Young 7 rounded out Carltons top 3.
Is that 3 tricks we are up too?

He had 2 tackles, which seems poor. But that was more than 8 of his teammates, including TDK. 5 others had 2 as well. So he was bang on average for tackles as well.

He also managed 2 shots on goal, although 2 behinds, add that to his goal earlier in the year, and that exceeds his scoring power from the previous 2 years combined....in only 4 games.

Pittonet had 15 touches. Cox+Cameron had just 19 between them, and only 3 clearances.

....and he only had 68% tog.

I'm not saying Pittonet is a superstar. I'm just saying he is doing his job and its going unnoticed.

Plenty of other players deserve the finger being pointed at them before you get to Pittonet.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 6 2024 Carlton vs Werribee at Werribee
Last post by crashlander -
B:  Lachie Young   Sam Durdin  Harry Lemmey
HB:  Billy Wilson  Dom Akuei  Brodie Kemp
C:  Ollie Hollands  Jaxon Binns  Tom Phillips
HF:  Ned Cahill  Rob Monahan  Ashton Moir
F: Liam McMahon  Luke Nelson  Alex Mirkov
R: Hudson O'Keefe  Jack Carroll Zavier Maher
Int:  Darcy Hogg  Wil White  Michael Lewis  B Lambert  Heath Ramshaw

Em:  Archie Stevens  Kristian Ferranato  Jess Gedi  Hayden Gill  C Verrel  L Prout  Blake Kuipers  Jack Lefroy

I posted this last night, but it seems to have disappeared.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
Quote from: pinot on
2 tackles - 1 mark for a ruck playing 70% of the game isn't good enough. Need more than just 30 taps.. lost it due to lack of run - all three losses have been the same way. Filth had three players tackling one Blue because they had superior ground coverage.. not to mention Darcy Cameron was taking important marks in his defensive half. I am not sure how many more games we need to lose in the same manner before the penny drops. Guys like Cripps & Hewett struggle when the opposing team cover the ground like they do.

He did get 15 possessions, which is at least something.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Baggers on
Yep, Pitto does need to take those marks around the ground, but no blame for the loss could be put on the shoulders of our rucks. Likewise, with the exception of Williams, our defence did well until continued pressure and too many inside 50s from Rottingwood.

I also didn't see much wrong with our midfield, apart from being a little loose at times (Walsh) and going backwards too often (Cerra).

Rottingwood came well prepared to counter any and all of our strengths. They were mentally up for the challenge and hunted us really well. Whereas, we looked a little confused at times with a concerning lack of connection around the ground and especially between midfield and forwards. Insufficient confidence?

Williams is not a deep defender. Panics. Much better further up the ground. We were very, very lucky there weren't more free kicks against him as he did 'hang on' to opponents too much. Weiters, Boyd, Gov, Newey, Saad, Cincotta, Cow... are far more reliable in deep defence.

I've banged on before about a 'hunting' mentality. When we have this, we are much, much better. Finessing, is not our thing. We do better when the attitude/focus is simple. We seem to be thinking too much. Too complex trying to implement 'layers?'
They outworked us, contested better and our one wood which is our big mids dominating the clearances didnt dominate and with them losing DeGoey and Mitchell pregame as well as McCreery during the game who was being used in the middle thats where we lost it imho and failed to capitalize on our advantage. We need to dominate clearances to make up for our lack of pace, but we had spectators and players avoiding chasing and even contests on occasion.
Williams was a terrible recruiting mistake but we are stuck with him and have to try and find him a position to make the best of his skillset, starting him deep on Elliott who is a strong mark for his inches when isolated one on one was a poor matchup and the coaching box need to take the blame as much as Williams who panicked and started holding.....the umpires of course paid those free's but totally ignored the same free's down the other end to Harry who was being grabbed by Frampton but thats swings and roundabouts in the game and hopefully Harry gets them next game..